I have had this idea that the conscious and subconscious work with the different brain regions according to what the brain does. Even for our normal everyday brain function is in other dimensions. Of course all through consciousness. Any thoughts on this fascinating idea.
In my opinion, your physical brain is only here to control the bio-mechanical workings of your physical body.
The subconscious is an area set aside for your own consciousness. This is completely separate from the physical body.
At least, that's how I see it.
I'm not sure if that answered your query though. LoL
~Ryan :)
I think I sorta get what you mean, sort of like our physical brain/body is only one representation of the several states that may be, but our physical brain and body is just one representation of one thing, and all the different representations (physical, astral, unknown physical and nonphysical dimensions) are really the same thing. So you could say our brain is operating on many different dimensions but we only percieve it "physically" as our main focus of counciousness is here. Sorry if I didnt explain that well, does anyone sorta get what Im saying? Basically trying to say that perhaps you only have one body, and it is your perception of the one universe that changes which "body" you feel like you're in, so yes, I would say your brain could be operating on many different realities or dimensions, in theory of course.
Exactly cpt. picard. A good example is that when someone is on a mind altering substance they can have out of this world sex. There is for instance tantra sex that can give you a mystical spiritual type experience. All while you are still in the body. You see. You can take LSD and be in a room and see the dimensions mix by looking at all the different colors and feeling all the emotions and so on. All from a physical substance.
I always try to think outside of the box.
Yes I agree with that. If you take LSD, one might say you're not really hallucinating, but rather experiencing reality from a different perspective. It is not the universe changing, only how you're percieving it. One might also say your body is not changing either in "dimensional travel". It could just be your perception of the same universe changing everything.
Now for instance lets say that you where a good visualizer and you visualized a lot of the same things that you read about others being on LSD. What's to say that that your ability to visualize the same thing that the people on LSD saw is not using at least 1 or 2 of the same dimensions to get the effect. I have never tried LSD but I can close my eyes and come up with some pretty far out visuals. Maybe they are not as clear but they are there.
I just read in the table of contents of "The Book of Secrets: Unlocking the Hidden Dimensions of Your Life By Chopra, Deepak" So the chapter says. "You live in multidimensions". I'm going to get this book and see if it really means what it says. Thus proving my theory.
People...
(http://sourceoforigin.com/files/2010/06/Right-left-brain.jpg)
The right hemisphere concerns our unconscious. The left concerns our conscious. Also, have a look at what happens to people whose corpus callosum is severed. Both hemispheres act as two independent brains and the left isn't aware of what the right one is doing and vice versa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-brain
a computer is a machine. you are a machine.
I was reading about some experiments a researcher named Gazzaniga was performing, and amazingly I found something on youtube. Esentially he demonstrated that one side of the brain is the subconscious and the other side (the side with the speech and talking areas) are the conscious side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMLzP1VCANo
However, something that is not in the video (but was in some of the studies) is that some of the research subjects, when their conscious side was blocked, had short-term precog experiences, showing that perhaps the subconscious side has access to nonlocal information. This doesn't mean necessarily that our mind is outside our brain, but it could- so maybe we are more than sophisticated robots.
Quote from: d3nd3 on May 03, 2011, 10:30:34
a computer is a machine. you are a machine.
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^^I guess you want me to elaborate. Ok. It's very simple. We are not machines. We're much more than that. We're sentient beings. A machine does not think. I wouldn't even say we are our physical bodies. To me the body and brain is just the tool and a form of expression in nature. We, the real we, are something else.
Intrinsic awareness. Conscious. Pure. Like a blank channel. Experience is the film. And the film has no sound until we add sound to it. The sound here represents meaning. Yes, Tom & Jerry need jazz music to go with it. Otherwise the film loses life. It is our job to give sound to the film. That's our purpose for a fuller experience. I just thought of this today. So, you see...
We are much more than machines. Machines don't have the blank channel nor the sound. They only have the film they play. And this film is very limited in its program compared to ours.
Quote from: Xanth on April 26, 2010, 22:22:52
In my opinion, your physical brain is only here to control the bio-mechanical workings of your physical body.
Brain is just an idea. As is your entire opinion, and the condition from which it was constructed.
QuoteThe subconscious is an area set aside for your own consciousness. This is completely separate from the physical body.
OK you go from openly sharing an OPINION to swiftly falling into making a statement, but giving it the subtle illusion it is 'the truth of things' when *really* it's just _more_ opinion.
QuoteAt least, that's how I see it.
Mate you're REALLY in your head. BIG TIME. I mean these are abstract ideas, splinters of interperations based on prior interperations that have been regurgitated.
Time to toss these ideas out of your head bro. Seriously you're missing this whole thing all together basically.
Every time I see this thread title I see fried eggs connected to other fried eggs with lines in what can be described as a "flower of life" configuration.
I read in Astral Projection and the Nature of Our Reality that when we AP, it is not an actual 'body' leaving our physical body as many think. It's just that your primary consciousness is being shifted or "projected" to another dimension. Implying that our brain does in fact exist in all realms simultaneously, but the realm that you are "in" depends solely on which one has your attention at the time. Pulling information from Astral Dynamics, it is possible to have your attention in multiple dimensions at one time, which explains the sense of duality that some projectors have, i.e. having 2 totally unrelated set of memories and experiences for a single time period.
So in my opinion (which is largely shaped by the materials that I read/things that I study) there are no separate "bodies" there are only separate levels of consciousness. Astral Projection is simply the projection of your awareness to a dimension other than the one you are "native to".
Not your "brain"... your "brain" is a chunk of physical matter meat in your head.
Your "Consciousness"... the energy that is your TRUE SELF, is what they're suggesting exists simultaneously here and *everywhere*. :)
I was about to say that!^^
My "BRAIN" forgot to exist in the semantics realm just then.
Actually, it is also believed that every cell in the human body does the thinking, not just the ones in the brain. But there is no trace of memories or thought there whatsoever. Perhaps the flow of thoughts runs through the physical bodies... just a thought. Or perhaps the brain really does think and we are just the empty awareness clinging onto them for the sake of meaning, purpose, experience blah blah blah who the bonk knows I'm bonking tired...LOL :evil:
nonsense
Yep...we live in a nonsensical world. 8-)
Quote from: Pauli2 on May 09, 2011, 17:07:54
nonsense
Nonsense?
What makes you outright say it's nonsense?
I mean, to say that, you obviously have proof to the contrary, right?
YOU'RE NONSENSE! :P
Quote from: Pharoah on May 09, 2011, 16:37:20
My "BRAIN" forgot to exist in the semantics realm just then.
Hey Pharoah, do me a favour... if I asked you to please point to your consciousness... where exactly would you point to?
Xanth, I didn't say I thought the brain was consciousness. I was sarcastically stating that what I meant should have been obvious. That you are catty is one of the first things I learned when I joined this forum. That the entire rest of my post would be ignored over a misnomer, well.... tsk.
Meow... ;)
Quote from: Xanth on May 09, 2011, 18:28:30
Hey Pharoah, do me a favour... if I asked you to please point to your consciousness... where exactly would you point to?
Good question...
Quote from: Summerlander on May 09, 2011, 17:05:21
Actually, it is also believed that every cell in the human body does the thinking, not just the ones in the brain.
It's not just believed but proven actually by microbiology. "Think" is the word that causes the debate here though. Humans, being self-aware, tend to correlate thought with self-awareness when in fact the thought process and self-awareness are two entirely different things. To be self-aware you must be able to think, but to think you do not have to be self-aware. A clear example are animals. They are conscious beings like us, also capable of "thinking" but they are not self-aware (that is, they don't think things like "why am I here?" or "what is the purpose of life" etc). The cells that make up all living things are considered by science to be the smallest form of conscious matter. When cell's need more energy they communicate with the brain. So cells DO in FACT think. Fascinating world we're making here yeah? :)
I agree. BINGO! 8)
Quote from: dotster on June 19, 2011, 14:32:07
It's not just believed but proven actually by microbiology. "Think" is the word that causes the debate here though. Humans, being self-aware, tend to correlate thought with self-awareness when in fact the thought process and self-awareness are two entirely different things. To be self-aware you must be able to think, but to think you do not have to be self-aware. A clear example are animals. They are conscious beings like us, also capable of "thinking" but they are not self-aware (that is, they don't think things like "why am I here?" or "what is the purpose of life" etc). The cells that make up all living things are considered by science to be the smallest form of conscious matter. When cell's need more energy they communicate with the brain. So cells DO in FACT think. Fascinating world we're making here yeah? :)
I don't like your use of the word "conscious" here. Following your terminology a computer is also "conscious". I prefer to use "conscious" to refer to self-aware beings.
But beside that I'm not sure if action --> reaction (e.g. cell needs more energy --> send impulse to brain) is a sufficient condition for classifying something as "thinking".
As I said earlier...intrinsically, we are just a blank channel (see the channel analogy). It's pristine cognition. A radiant nothingness where concepts and meaning thrive. Take the film out and turn the sound off and you get nirvana...blissful static.
By the way, something relevant from www.obe.com originally posted by Jeff:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50999697/Brains-and-Realities-by-Jay-Alfred
8-)
Quote from: manwesulimo2004 on June 20, 2011, 17:57:10
I don't like your use of the word "conscious" here. Following your terminology a computer is also "conscious". I prefer to use "conscious" to refer to self-aware beings.
Well conscious is a very debated on word because it is a name that we have given to a concept that actually branches off into several sub concepts (that we still don't fully understand, mind) and this is not by any means "my" terminology, it is terminology used worldwide. There are different levels of known consciousness. Humans cannot exist without the sub-conscious, it keeps us alive. Self-awareness is encompassed in consciousness but self-awareness is not all that consciousness is, or we would just call it self-awareness and not consciousness. If your dog passed out would he not be considered unconscious? When he wakes up he is considered conscious again yes? Let me break down for you the concepts that I mean to convey when I use words like self-aware, (self-)conscious etc.
Self-aware to me means that you are aware of being aware. Without self-awareness you wouldn't be able to question your thoughts, you would simply perceive them and accept them and act accordingly. Being self-aware means you can CHOOSE thoughts instead of just thinking the thoughts stimulated from the collection of the events leading up to the current perceived moment in time. This is how we view the thought process of dogs and cats and MOST other animals on the planet (there are a few other animals that scientists think have the capacity to be self-aware as well).
And in my opinion a computer would not be considered to be conscious any more than a rock would be considered conscious because it is not alive. The cell is the building block of life and a computer is not comprised of cells so it cannot in my opinion support consciousness in the macro-physical, but on a quantum level who knows? :-)
Bio mechanics is coming out with some pretty interesting things though, maybe full blown organic computers will be a possibility one day. Wetware computers, or artificial organic brains, already exist. They are made using living neurons so yes, in my opinion they are conscious on some level; conscious, not self-aware.
You make a lot of sense, dotster. You won my vote! LOL! I also think that we are still evolving as we don't yet fully control the flow of thoughts in our minds. Meditation can provide a great control but not full control. I see a spectrum which differentiates us from animals. If we compare our current state with a possible entelechy in the distant future, we see that we are only partially self-aware. And then compare our entelechy with the present state of animals and they almost appear to operate like mere computers. 8-)
A lot of people seem to think that we are this consciousness that can seemingly exist outside of the physical body and that probably survives physical death, but the thing is, we can also be unconscious too. We can be the conscious and the unconscious, or identify ourselves with both, but, intrinsically, there is no self. It's an illusion produced by many excitable cells that communicate with each other and react to the environment both on a macro and on a quantum level.
So...if intrinsically we are neither conscious nor unconscious, who are we? I speculate we are the void itself. Death would thus be the return to the pre-birth state. Taking into account all of what was said as a possibility, why worry about dying? When you are dead, you won't even KNOW it. You won't know anything. There isn't even a you... :-P
On the other hand, perhaps this illusory self escapes to a non-physical reality where it sustains its ego by holding on to illusions that closely resemble the conceptual physical world in which it ceased to exist. This would mean that the self would gradually work its way into non-existence from the non-physical level of reality (the unborn reality as I like to call it) as there is no more physical body to sustain the low entropy and the abstract or high entropy mode of consciousness starts to take over as the self disperses. This would be a temporary afterlife.
Whatever the case, it seems logical to think that, if death means going back to the pre-birth state, then one might be reborn. Like in a computer where the deleted files are placed in a recycle bin and then the data is reconfigured.
Quote from: Summerlander on June 21, 2011, 13:30:21
I also think that we are still evolving as we don't yet fully control the flow of thoughts in our minds.
I agree here completely. One common misconception is that humans only use around 10 percent of their brain when in actuality we use our entire brain, just not simultaneously. What would happen if we were able to use our entire brain at the same time? The human brain is able to process about 2 million bytes of information just PER EYE, so that's around 4 million bytes of information sent to your brain just through your eyes, and we only use around 2,000 to 3,000 of those bytes of information, if i'm not mistaken. I will have to double check that later. The point is, we process a ridiculous amount of information using all of our sense yet that portion that we use consciously is miniscule at best.
QuoteI see a spectrum which differentiates us from animals. If we compare our current state with a possible entelechy in the distant future, we see that we are only partially self-aware. And then compare our entelechy with the present state of animals and they almost appear to operate like mere computers. 8-)
Yes I agree here as well that we are only partially self-aware. There is all of this mumbo-jumbo voodoo mysticism surrounding the word "enlightenment" but in my opinion enlightenment is really just a word that we have given to the concept of expanding our self-awareness (and I use the term expanding because I cannot think of a better word).
QuoteA lot of people seem to think that we are this consciousness that can seemingly exist outside of the physical body and that probably survives physical death, but the thing is, we can also be unconscious too.
Now we start getting into dimensional theory which is one of my favorite subjects because it's a step into infinity that really is just mind boggling. If there were to be other dimensions that exist above/below/layered onto our home in the 3rd dimension who is to say that the 3rd dimension is the only one in which consciousness resides? In the end is everything not made of energy? Perhaps when someone is "unconscious" here in the 3rd dimension due to the instability of their physical body to handle consciousness at the time , perhaps their focus (<-- perhaps a form of phasing?) is simply situated in another dimension where maybe a form of self-aware consciousness also exists as well. I personally feel a sense of "self" when I phase, yet at the same time that sense of self is interconnected to everything as a whole as well.
QuoteI speculate we are the void itself. Death would thus be the return to the pre-birth state. Taking into account all of what was said as a possibility, why worry about dying? When you are dead, you won't even KNOW it. You won't know anything. There isn't even a you... :-P
On the other hand, perhaps this illusory self escapes to a non-physical reality where it sustains its ego by holding on to illusions that closely resemble the conceptual physical world in which it ceased to exist. This would mean that the self would gradually work its way into non-existence from the non-physical level of reality (the unborn reality as I like to call it) as there is no more physical body to sustain the low entropy and the abstract or high entropy mode of consciousness starts to take over as the self disperses. This would be a temporary afterlife.
I do agree with you that there is no need at all to worry about death, but I semi-disagree with you on the "There isn't even a you" and I say semi, because I believe that who you are is just a 3dimensional cut-out of a multi-dimensional consciousness.
I have been meaning to ask someone this for a while but never got around to it, so if you'll give me a quick minute I'd like to ask your opinion while also explaining why I think this. If you will take a step back to the entanglement and double-split concepts that we were talking about earlier, an electron can be both a particle and a wave which to me correlates with entanglement between electrons perfectly because if it exists as a multidimensional wave/shape then maybe the entangled electrons are really just separate "points" on that wave that we have collapsed due to observation. I believe that these phenomenon are explained by a multidimensional universe and that an electron is also just a 3dimensional cut-out that we observe and call a "particle" or "electron" of a multidimensional shape/wave. I'm not sure if this has already been thought up or what, but I've been contemplating it for a while and I would really appreciate some other opinions.
Anyways, back from my wild tangent (sort of), so this is why I say "semi" because I like to think of consciousness as multidimensional like the multidimensional electron wave/shape, and me here this body and who I am now is a collapsed point of a wave of the greater consciousness, and if the first law of thermodynamics holds true multidimensionaly and energy can neither be created nor destroyed, I believe that I will always exists as I am in this state now at some "point" within this greater consciousness, but I will also exist in every other form that I have been and will be. That is to say if we consider time to be the 4th dimension, then my 4th dimensional "body" will always exist within the greater consciousness, but at the same time I am every bit of that 4th dimensional body as I am every other 4th dimensional body that exists in this greater consciousness because it is all one and the same, separate yet the same. Kind of whacky I know, but it's a concept stuck in my head.
And now really back to the subject, I do believe people most likely create constructs of what they think death to be as a form for them to once again "expand" their awareness until full self-realization or "the greater consciousness" has been achieved.
QuoteWhatever the case, it seems logical to think that, if death means going back to the pre-birth state, then one might be reborn. Like in a computer where the deleted files are placed in a recycle bin and then the data is reconfigured.
Once again I agree completely here, just going back to that greater consciousness and choosing another 4d "body" to hop into perhaps?
Fun food for thought anyways.
It is hypotised that during sleep the pineal gland floods the brain with DMT , when they tried to inhale DMT wich is natural in our bodys everybody had the experience of being shot out of their body into other dimencions (spiritual) wich they rapidly forgot about their experiences when they came down from their 5 minute trip.