Trance state...misconceptions of particular kind

[James S]

Because the churches would lose control over their followers.

They have the same beliefs about AP, which according to the church, while your 'soul' is out travelling your body is en empty house just waiting for some demon to move in

If christians were openly allowed to enter trance states, or be free to project, they might start discovering a few more spiritual truths for themselves, and then where would the church be?

[SpectralDragon]

Well, that is a good point, but I wonder why some christians fall for what the church says so easily. Thier influince seems a little overtly strong even for an orginized religion. When I look into a book I like to have other references other than the book. Why do people like to look into that one source?

Well I am sure there are several reasons, some of which pop into mind right now. But a church should be able to base thier beliefs around mysticism quite a bit. I don't see why not, as a church could simply be a gathering place for discussion.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

Well, that is a good point, but I wonder why some christians fall for what the church says so easily.

Fear


Actually the Christian Bible talks about trance, meditation, and even implies astral projection all in a positive light. But I guess since it does not flat out say TRANCE or ASTRAL PROJECTION they refuse to acknowledge it. But those who have eyes will see. Those who seek shall find. Anyone how has had a spiritual experience would know that words are inadaquate to explain the spiritual hence such confusion in religions. It is too bad that some do not teach people to explore for themselves.

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by SpectralDragon

Well, that is a good point, but I wonder why some christians fall for what the church says so easily.

Fear


Actually the Christian Bible talks about trance, meditation, and even implies astral projection all in a positive light. But I guess since it does not flat out say TRANCE or ASTRAL PROJECTION they refuse to acknowledge it. But those who have eyes will see. Those who seek shall find. Anyone how has had a spiritual experience would know that words are inadaquate to explain the spiritual hence such confusion in religions. It is too bad that some do not teach people to explore for themselves.

I completely agree with this. It's been a long time since I picked up a bible for reference or to study it for possible new truths. The bible itself is a very good refference. I do remember seeing some references to astral projection, magic, and even Qigong, kundulini, and other practices. The bible says don't be close minded, but these churches seem to not go with that idea. I wonder why people will listen to the church and not the bible???

[Jon_88]

Perhaps because the Church is viewed as the author of the bible[]

Who would you ask if you where wondering about a problem ? A book concerning the issues or the expert that wrote it and can tailor answers to your situation?[]

[Fat_Turkey]

Well, Robert Bruce elaborated on this point in either Astral Dynamics or PPSD.

Either way, the Church is wrong. As they have been many times. I don't see why people take everything the Church says as the absolute truth, when the original Pope threw away almost 100 Gnostic Christan texts in favour of the 4 gospels, the ones with the most manipulative potential.

Well I've lost my train of thought yet again. To all you Christians, I have nothing against you, or your religion for that matter - it can provide lots of wisdom and morals. I just have something against people who just look for easy answers. Answers so easy they contradict themselves.

-FT

[kiauma]

Perhaps this will shed some light on the church mystery.

According to this link, the church is what decides what is dogma, and a primary church dogma is it's own infallibility in making dogma.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

Go figure.

[Michael_E]

Church goers go in to a light trance during prayer, sometimes the conviction of a pastor can lull the followers into a kind of trance. So for the powers that be to say going into a trance in unholy then that can be quite a contradiction. I am inclined to a gree with james, its partly a control issue, if followers could gather spiritual info through a trance on thier own it might point out contradictions to the churchs assumptions and weaken thier influence. The church might go outta buisness if people started being thier own apostles!

[SpectralDragon]

I have heard many religions say "trance state open's your mind up to evil influence, and allows demons to enter your mind and corrupt you." While the idea for this is well based on their part they simply do not have the realm of knowledge or understanding of this type of training. To truly understand this you need to have been in a trance state once. Now I am talking about a very specific kind of trance state, the state one might be in when they are doing Qigong or focused training on a single point.

A demon is looking for unbalance to latch onto, and in the trance state you are simply too focused on something for a demon to find such. To them you are melding into the very fabric of the universe. The reason this happens is because you are actually connecting with planes that are higher than the demons can reach, and the higher the plane the more you are dealing with the very fabric of the universe.

I keep hearing and reading about christian writing and philosophy against such. Why is it that they feel they can base opinions when they know that they don't know very much about something like this?