The Astral Pulse

Just to let you know, the link does not work, atleast for me.

Sound interesting. Was he taken physically or did they take him through OBE? In a book I am reading Secret of the Soul the author talks a little about abductions and OBE. He thinks that if aliens should contact us that it would be easier to do out of body than in the physical realm.

Whoops, I guess I goofed with the address, sorry about that fallnangel77.  The real address is www.thiaoouba.com .  In response to that book, Michel was actually beamed up by the space ship, they didn't contact him through OBE, however while back on the planet Thiaoouba, Michel was allowed to travel astrally for the first time to visit his past lives.  It's funny b/c I have sometimes believed that this Michel Desmarquet wash  just a very imaginative author, who published this book for one reason or another, but the material and information in there just seems too uncanningly logical.  Also, since the book centers around the idea that a human must progress through 9 levels to ahieve total enlightenment, I see a connection with many Eastern beliefs.  Moreover, the fact that the Thiaooubian civilization claims that planet Earth is only on  the first level, which is  known as "the planet of sorrows", seems very plausible if you look at how corrupt our planet really is.  Anyway, please check out the new site, and submit any replies, I would love to hear them.

"Failure is the oppportunity to begin again, this time more wisely"

-ninthplanet

I have started reading the online book. I must say that it is interesting. Believable yet unbelievable at the same time. I think that it probably does not matter if it is true or not but instead concentrate on the message as so far it does touch on some important topics. I will post more when I have finished reading it. Thank you for sharing this.

The name alone freaks me out.
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I think I'll hold off on this one

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Well I finished reading the online book about the abduction yesterday and have been pondering it. I really do not feel like I can make a call as to it being true or not. I hate to call someone that I do not know a liar so I will pretty much keep this up in limbo with so many other things that may never be answered. The importance of this is not if he was actually abducted or not but the message. The book has a very good message. These are things that I have thought about for awhile.

The thing that leaves me doubting that this is true is because aside from the history lessons they really do not tell us anything that we do not already know. Yes our political systems are corrupt. Yes our society is materialistic. Yes there is a love of money. Yes journalist are sensationalist. The aliens only point to the problems in our society without telling us how we can actually do anything about it. I would think that if they were so advanced they would have had some knowledge that could help us instead of just giving one man the mission to write a book to point us in the right direction. Well they do give us one idea which in all honesty is basicly from the 60's and 70's protests of sitting around stopping people from doing work. And granted if everyone did this then the governments would have to listen to the people, but when is the last time the entire population agreed on one thing. To get people active is impossible. Most people would rather remain comfortable in their material world.

Though in the aliens defense, this is really a good way to bring about slow change. By planting ideas into the society. With any luck they will be accepted by the populace in several years. But if you read the book you will see they have done similar things before and the ideas got distorted.
One thing I find funny about this is their stance on religions. They tell the abductee that religions are hindering us. That they are untrue and restrictive. Yet these aliens are the ones who planted the seeds for the religions by coming to earth and showing themselves as god. Then they further hurt this by playing into the religion by sending the "messiah". So how can they play both sides of the fence?

This brings me to another point. Assuming that all this is true, then why should we for one minute believe them? They have clearly decieved us in the past as mentioned above. They would show up here and pretend to be god. Then they send Christ to lie to us more. Though their intensions are for the good they are still deceptive and pretty much flat out lie. They talk about Universal Law, but lieing must not be wrong according to it since they seem to do it so much to the less evolved humans. They come here during a time when religion is in the fore front and pretend to be gods. Now they show up when space travel and UFOs are common talk in our society. So are they truly who they say they are or are they just pretending again?

This book is a good read and is enlightening. To one that is not so aware of the troubles of society then this can be a real eye opener. It does have a good message. But if this really happened or not is not very easy to say. I certainly could not believe this just by reading it, as the aliens expect us to do. (Ha)  But it does add something to think about, other civilations out there and what their spiritual path is.

Some thing else I wanted to add. You would think that since he was give the chance he would have asked where man originated. Where and how did man get here? But no actual answer is give. All that is said is that God created mankind. How? Where since they say that no man originated on Earth according to the aliens?

First of all, I must thank you fallnangel for taking the time to read it and forming your own opinions they are more than welcome.  Forgive me if I'm exactly right for it has been a couple months since I last read the book.  

I think what you have to say about the alien race interfering through the use of religion is half true.  Yes the aliens believed that religion is very corrupt and has led billions astray, but I think that the only reason they sent down Jesus was just to give the present civilization just a chance at sprituality.  Correct me if I'm wrond, but right before Jesus walked the earth, many were following Paeganistic beliefs.  I am not too familiar with Paeaginism, but I don't think it is centered much around karma, reincarnation, and a strong loving nature ( just note the amount of territorial wars going on).  I think that the advanced race saw how astray the people had become and just offered a chance.  Yes it was probable that the truth would become distorted because of the nearly inevitable evils, but a chance was better than nothing at all.  From the whole religious aspect, I generally conclude that this race is doing nothing but encouraging the masses to seek the truth, to sift through what has become a web of distortion, to find the way because IT DOES EXIST.

Allso, If you remember the race would constantly comment on how they really do not like to interfere with other civilizations, even during terrible wars.  They said that every civilization must be given the chance to choose its destiny with minor help.  And that minor help has taken the form of extremely holy men such as Jesus Christ and rare abductions.

I do agree that the author could have come back with much more enlightening information.  I mean if anyone of us visited this advanced society, I'm sure we would have an arsenal of questions.  But I have to put myself in his position.  I could not fathom the idea of being abducted, let alone by a very loving and wise race, one whose achievments can only be imagined by us lower human beings.  Visiting a planet with colors too bright to observed with the naked eye.  A CIVILIZATION THAT DOES NOT HAVE MONEY!!!  I mean who out there has really thought of a world without money, that actually works.  With observing all of this I'd be  pretty much be happy with any type of information I did receive.  Also, if the race was obligated to just describe the basics and not immaculate detail, for they believed it might interfere way too much.

Anyway, that's about all for tonight.  Once again I thank you for your effort at opening your mind even wider and your conversation.  Please reply as much as you'd like.

"Luck to all as they tred on fresh ground"

-ninthplanet

I hope that my other post did not come off as being too strongly negative or against the book. Hard to tell on message boards about such things. I was just throw out some questions to think about. I do agree with your point. I am not saying that what they did was really wrong. For the most part when they showed themselves to the people they did not claim to be gods, they merely said things like, "You are going against God's will" or something like that. This to a less knowing race would appear to be God talking to them, which in an indirect way it kind of is. I am not sure which would be better, to give them something that they could understand by sending Jesus as they claim to have or landing a ship and talking with people face to face. Either would be a great event. Both would be teaching the truth. Yet one seems more open and honest than the other. But they did not really like to interfere, but yet they did influence them. It is really hard to see this clearly as we are not too aware of the actual state of mind of humans during these times. Now space ships and aliens are understandable to us, but what about to people in the past? The one thing that I really wonder about this is what has happened on the other planets that they have done this to? Did it bring about restrictive dogmas as it has done here or did it work out better? If they get the same results over and over then I would assume they would not do it. If they do get dogmas every time then why would they do it? In all honesty I cannot really offer a better way to do it other than to be open and honest and talk face to face, but this could possibly have worse outcomes, especially if you wish for them to find the right path on their own.

Although it would have been nice to have been given more revelations I can understand why he was not. For one they clearly are for free will. They want us to make our own choices and figure things out. Two, things might actually be as simple as they are put. We have problems and there is really just one thing that can be done and that is for the people to simply demand a change. Three, it is possible to have this paradise on Earth, to have peace and harmony but all such things must be worked for and not just given to us. Plus we are our own unique planet so we need to make our own unique society. The universe would be a boring place if all planets were exactly alike. If these aliens just went to each planet and set up things just like it is on their planet it would be nice, but since no one dies and everything would be the same after awhile it seems things would be boring. And I think that it would go against the Universal Law, which seems to point to the fact that life is a journey not a destination. Even though the aliens are advanced I have a feeling there is still more to evolve to and they do not want to totally control that evolution incase we should find something new.

A WORLD WITHOUT MONEY!! I have actually thought about this many times over the past several years. I have thought how great it would be, but it seemed like just a dream that was not possible. Now after reading the book and seeing that if this is true that it is possible I have new hope. Just think about all things that money produces: a lot of crime, pollution because it is more profitable not to advance to pollution free technology, currupt national leaders who get in it for the money, people in jobs they hate because they want a good pay check, whole nations where most of the population is starving even though the world as a whole can produce more than enough food, homelessness, people who have to suffer health problems because they cannot pay for medical treatment, people having to worry they they will not be able to afford medical treat if something should happen, and so much more that I do not have time to list. Just think about it. Seriously sit back and think about it. And then think about what it would be like to live in a world where people are concerned about each other's welfare and not about their next pay check. It could be such a wonderful world. Maybe it will be someday if enough people can see that it does not have to be like it is now.

If you actually take a look you may be surprised at how much our society is based on money. After reading this book I have noticed a lot. I usually listen to the news on  the way home from work. I noticed that money is talked about a lot, how much a company is making or loosing, how much a government has or taxes, etc. Then I started noticing how much I think about money. I was surprised here as well. I think about it several times during the day, about having money to pay bills, about getting a better paying job, what would I do if I won the lottery, and many more. I think this has helped me notice this and be able to direct my thoughts to more positive things. Once you are made aware of something you can really be surprised.

If I was in the same situation I would probably have been just like him. I am sure I would have been too overwelmed at the time to think about questions. Of coarse once I got home I would be kicking myself for not asking things. It would be an awsome experience to have. And I would be greatful for what I was given and able to witness.

Fallnangel-

I find your input very interesting and welcomed.  You, besides my brother and mother are the only two people I have discussed the book with, and it is great.  Please do not think that I believed you were replying with negative comments, I understand that they were of your opinions, and you are very welcomed to have them.  

I really have to agree with you and what you said on what other races might have done with the knowledge that was given to them by the alien race.  I can only assume that some took it and ran with it better than others, it's just that I don't think one can expect too much out of planets filled with sorrow.  I must state that it is SUCH A SHAME for absolute truth to become trapped in a dark hole whose inhihabitants are nothing but evil, (however,  I will save that topic for another day). Resuming, I agree that a more straight faced approach may have proved more successful, but one can only speculate on such matters.


I think for our chaotic situation here on Earth to change would take something miraculous.  I believe too many have went astray and that resuming the true path seems out of their reach.  It may sound pessimistic, but I'm just trying to be realistic.  From what I have seen so far in the past 18 yrs of my life I can only believe and put faith in what I have personally experienced.  My experience on Earth has been a very pleasant one, yet I have, in one way or another, witnessed the horrors of our world, and the conclusion that I draw is hopeful yet realistic.

Yes, a world without money is something that might only be imagined, no matter how pleasant it may seem.  Nonetheless, I wish I was an inhabitant of that fantasy world, for all the reasons you listed and then some.  I just want to be in a world where every person is considerate, loving, and peaceful.  I know it seems like too much to ask, but something tells them there is a world, or at least an area among that world, where it does exitst, and maybe just maybe I will meet you there in another lifetime.

I am glad that you are becoming aware of your concern with money, as many other need to do.Unfortunately we live in a world where money is practically necessary for survival, and boy do I wish for a great share so that I may travel and visit the wonders of our Earth.  True, one does not have to travel to witness certain wonders, however I do ever so much enjoy a great view.  Ahhh, all in good time, for "good things come to those who wait".

"Seek the truth and follow your heart"

-ninthplanet

Hey there, haven´t been on this part of the fourm in a really long time so didn´t see this topic up until now.   I actually read the book, but it was quite some years back now...  I reckon about 3-4..     Anyway, I got to know a swedish guy (Andreas) who worked with an aussie doctor...  Tom something...  Chaalko?  And Tom had a website which I browsed through alot and on that site there was some info on ´The ninth planet´, actually it was called back then "Thiaoouba Prophecy" if I am not mistaken...  This swedish guy was on his way to translate the book into swedish and offered to send me the book once finished, for free...   it wasn´t for free back then...  so the least I could do was to read the book - and even though I do not remember it into details today I remember I enjoyed it very much....  like you I wasn´t sure if it was real or not though, but it was some exciting reading so..
  Very moving, the beauty described was almost unbelievable, a world where everyone was as evolved as Jesus (did I remember that right?)  and when I considered this book to be probably real at the moment it was very breathtaking...   but I don´t remember very much right now so can not comment if any much further at this time, I remma Tao though..  neither female nor male right?  And I remma the giant insects, and flowers..  and the transports on the planet, I would love to get on one of those =)   Neat buildings to...

  Just opened up a link I haven´t been on for years, his name is Chalko I see, pretty close to Chaalko I think =) http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/seeau.htm - there I got in touch with "the book", perhaps you´ve been there eh´?
  On the bottom of the site I see there is still mentioning of "the book"....
        To be honest, today I very much doubt it is a trueful story, but one never knows, even if it is a "lie" it can be read like a good sci-fi book I reckon´...  and the fact that it is a possibility Desmarquet is telling a true story makes it even more interresting..

    Take care //Richard

- Your focus determines your reality -

Yeah, I believe the book has been out for quite some time now.  One of the several reasons why I put some of my faith in the book, is that you can read it for free, and many of the people who support the book openly give it out.  So on the the topic of money the author meant for it to be a nonprofitable thing.

As to whether to experience actually happened or not, hard to say.  I think it is quite possible that it did, however that is only my theory.  I like the book very much in that it offered a new theory on reincarnation, in that a person is not only reincarnated to another thing when he/she dies, but it could be another thing on another planet.  The book incoporates the vast dimensions of our universe and helps to explain different spiritual levels.  The book will also open one's eyes to the harsh realities of everyday life here on earth, with the corruption of the churches, media, and lawyers.  My final conclusion, may or not be real, however it has opened my mind up to different possibilities.  

Qui Gon Jinn-
If I may ask, what are your views on spirituality.  Do you follow any organized religions, if not please explain your beliefs, I am very curious to hear everyone's take on this matter.

After thinking about it all weekend, I must agree with you. For there to be such a change as is suggested in the book something fantasic would have to happen. It is definately not going to just happen as it did on the other alien's planet, don't remember his name Arlek or something I think. I think too many people, atleast in the US, are too materialistic. They have to have more material things, and if a neighbor gets a new fancy car well so does the other neighbor. It just seems that everyone wants more material things. Just look at what most people want when they win money in the lottery or a show. They usually want material things. So do you think that if a group stood up and said that things have to change that anyone would stand up with them? No because everyone is enjoying their material wealth. Maybe if the nation becomes so bad that people are without their precious things then maybe. But we all have been so currupt and mislead that we cannot even see what we really need any more. Anyone that even suggests that we need to look more to our emotional and spiritual health is laughed and made to look like a radical and a freak. Show change might be a possibility but the only change that I can see happening now is one towards less freedoms for the people and more power given to the few. Especially in light of this "war" we are in now.

Money is not really the problem. The Christian Bible really states, "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil". It is when people put money first and love money more than people that problems develop. I think it is clear that this is a major problem in our society. We have to have money to live in our current society but it is so disheartening when they take away benefits at work while the top dog is getting a bigger bonus. How much money does a person really need? Look at all the CEOs that are getting millions of dollars each year while the company is going under. Does that not say something? And this is happening alot lately. Probably no more than usually but it is in the news a lot. Why are people not more upset about this?

It would be nice to have a lot of money so that one could travel and have some freedom to do what one wants. But I think this is really a trap. It is easy to say I wish I had a million so I could do so and such. But then when you get it, I have a strong feeling that you (everyone) would say I wish I had a million more so I could do and get this and that. It would never be enough. We would want more and more. So really seeking freedom by wanting more money is not the right path. Freedom comes by not wanting money or any material things. Of coarse we would all like to have more money, but we should learn to not desire it and if it should come our way be grateful and not "fall in love" with it.

I have already stated my opinions of the truth of it. But I do want to say that one thing that does make me feel like it could possibly be true is that it is free. I understand why it would cost money: the only way to really get to the majority of the population would be to publish the book, no one is going to publish a book that they are going to give away, so something has to be charged. But not it is avaible for free.

Richard,
If you want you can read the book for free online by going to the link posted above. You just have to give your email address to get a password. The aliens were kind of Christ like, though actually the opposite is really true, Jesus was like the aliens because he was one of them, sort of.

I do think it is kind of wild to think about the history it presents. It would explain Atlantis. Why else would it be thought to have been an advanced society? Of course I know how things get stretched out and emblelished. It is also rather sad to think that Earth was so peaceful and advanced at one time only to fall to what it is now.

I hope we all meet on a higher planet some day.

I sat down to watch From Hell last night and I started thinking about what the aliens said about crime. They told him that we give too much attention to it in media and news and that we should barely cover it. I started thinking about that. From Hell which is about Jack the Ripper occured over a hundred years ago. Some guy killed several people and mutilated them and 100 years later we still make movies and write books about it. I think that I am seeing what they are talking about. It is no wonder we have so much crime. In reality we practically idolize criminals. They get all kinds of news cover, books written about them, movies made, their picture posted all over, and sometimes they are even made out to be the victims. Some lonely guy or gal looking for attention who has a low morality would certainly love all that attention.

I guess we are all to blame for this. I mean I enjoy watching these movies as much as anyone else. For some reason we all slow down to look at a wreck on the side of the road. This is just like that, we all like to look and see what terrible things humanity is capable of doing no matter how much we disprove of it.

Of course I have to agree with you on this one.  I never really recognized it either until I read the book.  Everyday, what topics always make the headlines, pretty much anything that has to do with human tragedy.  When is the first time you flipped on the news and heard, " Our top story today is about a man who wanted to make a difference in his community." or " This just in, a local business is contributing thousands to a worthwile charity.  Instead it's always " 3 are pronounced dead following a fatal car accident this Saturday".  I mean who really wants to hear this.  It would be just fine by me if they took all the tragedies out the news.  But, thats life, and I I'll have to deal with it in my own way I guess.

-ninthplanet

Hey,

I went to the site and read the book. I'd just like to thank you ninthplanet for telling us about it

Oliver

I know it is hard to know whether Thiaoouba Prophency  also called abduction of the ninth planet, is a true story or not for beginner. However, it is important to read the freedom of choice. Then you will know how critical we are in the point of our history. The chakra shirts are interesting too. It seems that I have numberous OBE since wearing them (even those that happen automatically and unintentionally)

Jesus said, " Let's one seeks not stop seeking until one finds.When one finds, one will marvel and rule over all." This description fits well with the freedom of choice.

Hey all,

Thank you ninthplanet for posting a topic on this, and mentioning this book. Thank you for your openness. I am so thankful and glad for the openness presented on this messageboard. It is a great inspiration to me and source of insight for me. :)

I have read this book, and it is great- and I do accept it as being an account of an actual occurence. The messages in the book are great on their own- without taking into account whether the report is of an actual event or not. I agree fallnangel77. Yet, so much is lost by thinking of it as just a tale of fiction with spiritual lessons in it. The very potency of the message is the plausibility of the account. That makes the message not just some idealistic imaginings but a reality. This occurence being fact sets to light many unknowns about astral body, evolution of consciousness, other worlds, etc.

If you look through the site you can see that Dr Tom Chalko has done some research into the whereabouts of Jesus, the findings of which correlates to what is in the book, adding credibility to the plausibility of the account.

Reading the book myself, I saw that they were not playing the role of god, but helping a race of people that were descendants of an extraterrestrial race who had an accident and ended up here. They were extraterrestrials, and acted as none other than what they were. It was the various councils of the Roman Catholic Church that revised the bible to the point of making a diluted account of what was actually reports of UFO and ET phenomenon.

"However, I must assure you that the (original)2 Bible is not the product of the scribes' imagination - nor is it embellished. There was much truth in it. I say 'was' because in the various councils of the Roman Catholic Church, the Bible has been greatly revised, for reasons which are clear: to serve the needs of Christianity."

Thiaoouba Prophecy.


The book even gives various examples of accounts of alien visits to the planet that were once clear for what they were before the dilution by those who wanted and want to control people and have power over others.

The book states that the likes of Alexander the Great and the Romans instituted empires based on materialism and brought with them a "smattering" of gods and belief, causing "spiritual confusion." Thus Jesus was chosen to capture the imagination of the people and bring them out of the mental servitude wrought from the beliefs of the materialists ruling the planet. They came in an actual spaceship, and appeared in their true form before Mary, implanting an embryo in her while she was in hypnosis. They appeared before Abraham. They guided shepards and a group of people to the spot of Jesus' birth with what we would cry out to be a UFO.

The book states that Jesus wasn't sent to be worshipped, but to show that there is another life beyond this one, through for instance reincarnation of the astral body. Through him they showed proof that there was indeed life after death, and regenerated hope among people that they did belong to the Creator, and that each of us possess a spark of His divinity.

"His mission was to impart a message of love and goodness - 'love one another' and also to enlighten the people in regard to the reincarnation of astral bodies and immortality. This was all distorted by priests in the time that followed and numerous disagreements led to the rise of the many sects which claim to follow the teachings of Christ."

Thiaoouba Prophecy

(I note to check out the word "claim" in that last sentence.)


"Religions are a veritable curse on your planet - as I have said, and as I have proved. As for the new sects that are springing up and flourishing all over the world, they are based on control by brainwashing. It is terrifying to see young people, healthy in body and spirit, throw themselves at the feet of charlatans claiming to be Gurus and great masters, when the latter are masters of only two things - talking and collecting fabulous sums of money."

Thiaoouba Prophecy


I don't usually write so long of a post. I am very fond of that book, and am so thankful for Michel and the Thiaooubans, and to Dr. Tom Chalko. Of course, as you can see, I accept that account as being of factual and actual events. I don't reply to debate or anything. I consider it my place to speak up for them, and I hope you would read it again and see if you can find more correlations to your life.

I still have a hard time assimilating many things mentioned, for instance about the structure of the astral body and the different bodies we have and things of that nature, but I do accept that the account really happen, and I volunteer that any lack of understanding on my part is most likely due to gaps in my own knowledge on those matters.

I'm glad you have hope for a better society Fallnangel77. And I certainly agree that it is possible for this world. It's good that you are focusing more positively and can be more aware. And thank you for making it clear that you weren't attacking, or stating negatively. :)

And ninthplanet: If all of us individually would resolve to be more positive and loving and do so, the world WOULD be so. The world is only what we make it. If each individual would be, the collectively that means the world is. So one of the best ways to bring this about is to start with ourselves, and live positively and lovingly. If we all started putting our positive news first, we would change the way this planet is by the moment. :)

And that is a great sentiment Falln, about hoping we all meet on a higher planet some day. That would be nice indeed. :> (L)

I thank you for reading this post all, and thank you all who read the book; and I also thank all who added their insights to this thread. Thank you bomohwkl for your insight on the chakra shirts, for sharing the importance of reading The Freedom of Choice, which I have neglected to read, and for posting to bring this topic to the forefront.

Sincerely,

Celestial Sounds.

P.S.

Also, I don't recall reading that they expect us to blindly believe the account Falln.

I thank you all for your time. :)

If all of us individually would resolve to be more positive and loving and do so, the world WOULD be so. The world is only what we make it. If each individual would be, the collectively that means the world is. So one of the best ways to bring this about is to start with ourselves, and live positively and lovingly. If we all started putting our positive news first, we would change the way this planet is by the moment. :)        (by' sweet celestial sounds)

    Good point, the more people who are positive the stronger would be the effect on the general psychic atmosphere., of where they were and then (the whole planet)-

    I read the book and found it very enlightening and I also read Chalko's book,  I recommend reading them both.

Hey travisltk!!

Thank you for reading.

Thank you for your most supportive and potent post.

Thank you for adding to the positive, and for the most pertinent post and follow up. I appreciate it. :>

Sincerely,

Celestial Sounds.

P.S.

And thank you for all else who read the book and this post and follow-up. :>

Hiya all,

Check up this site

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/truecivilisation/

Hey, guys, where were you when I alerted on this book more than 2 years ago on the old Astralresearch forum? :))
I'm so glad there are many more people interested this time!

Here's the initial explanatory post of mine (still on Astralresearch):

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"Thiaoouba Prophecy" book -- Answer to Jane
On: Fri Feb 2 00:13:01 WST 2001
Posted by: Vesselin Peev [vesselinpeev@hotmail.com]
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Hi Jane,

I'm glad you asked. Not many people are interested, though...
As Michel Desmarquet, the book's author says, it is a report of his nine days' stay on a planet called Thiaoouba, somewhere in the Milky Way, inhabited by advanced species of aliens. These aliens are human beings like us, and although they look somewhat differently, their souls are like the very souls that we possess, only much more evolved. They have kept a close watch on us throughout the whole history of the planet Earth and have given spiritual and even material assistance to our people when it was deemed necessary. The main message of the book is that material technology, without spiritual knowledge, confines people more and more within the bounds of the materialistic system which is temporary anyway. Money, religions and power are a curse on Earth that misinforms and suppresses Individual Intellects from developing spiritually to their full potential.
I will not go into detail, and will leave to you the pleasure of reading, but will tell you that the book clarifies most, if not all mysteries on our planet such as how the pyramids were built, the Bermuda Triangle, Easter Island, etc.
In my opinion, the most important thing is the information about the nature of the human psyche, the astral body and the cycle of life and death in the context of the design of the universe by a special being with a Superior Intelligence we call God.
What is more, there is a chapter called "Who was Christ?" that I am not going to comment here,
but which, needless to say, is extremely intriguing and important.
The book is more special in a sense that, from my experience, it is SINCERELY written and is PACKED with VALUABLE information. It contains no theories and no wishful thinking.
Of course you do not need to believe. I myself have never believed. And I am not religious. Haven't people killed millions others in the name of God because they have stopped thinking in their blind faith? I want to know for sure, without any trace of blind faith.
But before my speaking further, you should really read the book. Please tell me what you think of it then, either by posting on the forum or writing to my e-mail at vesselinpeev@hotmail.com. I would be very glad to discuss it with you. I have studied the book for 3 years, but there are still some issues I have to clarify for myself. There is a discussion forum about this book and another book written by Tom Chalko, a Melbourne scientist, founder of Bioresonant, at www.thiaoouba.com. And please do not be prejudiced about the book. Think. Just think. If you do not understand something, that's OK, but please do not discard the information. Try to comprehend difficult things later, and see if it makes sense.

The book was a life-changer for me. When I read it first in summer 1998, at age 19, I wept over some of the pages. I had already become sick of the meanness, duplicity, envy and ignorance (among many other vices) of the majority of people around me, and I had too many questions jumping in my mind. People call themselves "adults," but now I see most of them are no more so that the members of a kindergarten. Also, I was not satisfied with the philosophical thought of our civilization because I always found contradictions in any philosophical work. I am currently taking a second course in philosophy in my university, and have found that professors evade tough and contradictory issues in the philosophical texts.

I have drawn inspiration from "Thiaoouba Prophecy" to perfect my life in every possible respect. That is no hyperbole. I am doing yoga, meditation, concentration, and striving to enhance both my professional and spiritual abilities on a daily basis. I have found that it is easier to develop than not to do so, given the right frame of mind. I am not dogmatic and am always open to different views. I have stopped getting angry for any reason. I can give you a list of many things that I have changed or am changing at the moment.

Now, in relation to spiritual development, I admire Robert for what he is and where he's heading to.
Think about what would become if only people similar to Robert populated the Earth. Life would be very close to paradise, wouldn't it? So why not act now and turn dreams into reality. Why doesn't more of us become exemplary human beings? We've received enough guidance. Now it is high time we finally acted. I know and feel deep in my heart this is possible. One just has to be very careful, patient and persistent, and working in the right direction.

You must not think that after I read this book I have stopped searching for other information.
I am striving to think logically all the time (I'm a computer programmer), and continually trying to enhance my understanding of Nature. In a great effort to find contradictions, I have read numerous books since, as well as examined many documents on the Internet. I found Robert Bruce's web site at roughly the same time I first read the book, and was fascinated by the truthfulness of it all. By the way, I've recently found specific sentences and key words from Robert's description of his entering the Akashic Records in "Astral Dynamics" to correspond very closely to Michel's doing so in his book, aided by the aliens. But that is another story. Michel's book was written in 1989, Astral Dynamics in 1998. Make your conclusions. [Note: I'm not implying Robert copied from anyone; on the contrary, I'm sure it constitutes proof such experience are similar and real]

The book is extremely intelligently written. Have in mind that this guy Michel has just a basic education -- primary school or something like that. In an interview several years ago, some scientists had attacked him with accusations that the book's contents was simply too fantastic and that he conjured it all up. He told them to try to prove with all their instruments just a single fact to be false. They couldn't and they are searching to this very day. Perhaps that is where the 1000$ reward given on the site originated from. I do not see anything bad in this -- maybe it's just a stimulus for some people. Also, the money are not that much, and they are clearly not intended for "hidden" lucrative purposes.
I'll point out that based on exact information in the book, physicist Tom Chalko discovered Bioresonant clothing, which works indeed -- I can attest to that!

The message of the people of Thiaoouba is extremely subtle but its significance is not realized at all at the moment (February 1, 2001) except by few people on the planet. People tend to think that if the message is so important, it should be turned into something like TV advertisement. But that's not the way. All great things come in subtle "clothing." They need to be recognized for what they are, and not for how they look. What counts is not appearances but what is behind them.

Unfortunately, I have no friends which are interested in the matter.

Best wishes,
Vesko

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It will hilight them for you.

-Vesko

We're talking about Jesus, whose name we get from the Bible, which says that he went to hell spiritually and rose physically. The same Bible says how to fix social problems, and I am unconvinced of the need for further advice. Also, please research the varied backgrounds of several, different concordances if you feel there is any room for interpetation. That which should be your main reference book disagrees with you, plainly.

Although for some people, it is hard to believe the origin of Jesus as claim by the book. Don't delve on that too much. The most important things are the messages and wisdom behind. Check up the Freedom of choice.

There's a new forum dedicated to the discussion of "Thiaoouba Prophecy" and "Abduction to the Ninth Planet" by Michel Desmarquet, found at http://www.goldenplanetforum.com.

Hey all, this is most likely totaly irrelivent, but while meditating recently, it was a simple meditation where your conciosness partialy leaves your body. by flying in a balloon, and getting lighter the higher I went, I found my self bieng dragged visualy in my mind out of the earths atmosphere and into space across the galaxy and on towards a planet, sounds funny but I tried to resist because part of the meditation is to control your visulisation, anyway i dropped through the atmopshere and down to the planet which was dense forest and followed a river, it was so sureal and I had no awarrnes of my physical body at that point, so I must have been very deep in meditation. I came to a huge hall, made of enormouse living trees with the foiliage forming the roof. I got out the balloon and ventured in, there was nobody home, just lots of long wooden carved tables and chairs, there were large totems at the other end, but I decided to get back in the balloon and go. striaght home again, it was one crazy trip, ive no idea where my mind took me or was taken? but it was cool and felt very real!

We, the Arcturians...

It's a book i'm reading now that was channeled telepathically by two women about 8 years ago. Anyway, i THINK they are the Greys, at least some of them, and according to the book they are a highly spiritual race that are much more evolved that humans. They reside normally in the 5th dimension, whereas humans still occupy only the 3rd. The Arcturians have been where the Earth is now long, long ago in their past. They survived, and through the process of normal evolution as a species, they transcended the material world and gained a much, much closer relationship with God.

They are here to help and observe humans as we make the transition in this New Age as well, and the book offers many insights as to their culture, way of life, beliefs, society, children, spiritual leaders, technology, etc.

Now, this doesn't have much to do with the 9th Planet as far as i know, but the Arcturians state that there are many, many intergalactic species interested in earth, some for the better, some for the worse. Some species are similar in appearance to the Arcturians (1 meter tall, black almond eyes, scientifically advanced) but they are no more spiritually advanced than most humans. Some of these might abduct people to do experiments to learn more of the human chakra centers and how they work. In turn, the Arcturians have taken people as well for there own, less sinister reasons.

I guess my whole point is that there is more out there than meets the eye, but one must be very discerning to seperate the lies from the truth. There is insanity in the world, desperate people who will believe and say anything.

In my experience Truth is very simple, not complex. Truth is always truth, and speaks to your inner self in appropriate ways IF you are in tune with yourself.

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I guess my whole point is that there is more out there than meets the eye, but one must be very discerning to seperate the lies from the truth. There is insanity in the world, desperate people who will believe and say anything.

In my experience Truth is very simple, not complex. Truth is always truth, and speaks to your inner self in appropriate ways IF you are in tune with yourself.
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Your above words are very well put and to the point. One should be very discerning, as you say. The problem is that we cannot be discerning unless we have more knowledge and skills such as astral travel, telepathy, access to deep inner intuition, access to the fabled psychosphere, etc. We must develop in actuality without any blind beliefs and without relying on any book. Such beliefs and books can only help us to build our own assumptions, but we have to TEST EACH AND EVERY ASSUMPTION, or we will either get lost or commit a grave mistake and end up badly. So practice and test, test and practice :)
I too, like Sweet Celestial Sounds (also known as Cezyl), think that the book is factual, but I will not, even for a second, bet on anything in the book, unless I've verified it myself.
The essence of the book, though, correlates very well with books such as "Living with the Himalayan Masters" by Swami Rama.
So I'm off with the work... Good luck to everyone and thank you all for your wise comments. It is very uplifting for me to read such words and to feel that there are noble souls accross the globe. :)

P.S.
The title page of "Thiaoouba Prophecy" / "Abduction to the Ninth Planet" reads "Believing is not enough. You need to KNOW".
I confirm the words of Sweet Celestial Sounds that the aliens, or whoever they were, if any, did not say or infer that we should blindly believe them. They only said "Never forget that we have the knowledge." So I guess this is all good, but this means that we have to have at least some true spiritual knowledge, too, to fully comprehend the message in the book.
For more discussion on the book, you are welcome at http://www.goldenplanetforum.com -- an open discussion place.

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We must develop in actuality without any blind beliefs and without relying on any book. Such beliefs and books can only help us to build our own assumptions, but we have to TEST EACH AND EVERY ASSUMPTION, or we will either get lost or commit a grave mistake and end up badly. So practice and test, test and practice :)

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True, true. About everything i've ever learned has been from books, but they were often books from accredited teachers, or verified by thousands of others for their authenticity and truth. The "alien books" are really fringe for me, but i'm looking into them primarly because i do believe in aliens in this big ol universe, and i don't think it's crazy that some would have an interest or vestment in humans.

I wish I can get abducted from this dull miserable planet.

Are you contributing to the "miserableness" or are you changing it to be more positive? Life is what you make of it.

I like your comment very much, Fallenangel. The whole point of spiritual evolution, and in fact any sensible evolution, is to do your homework by yourself. No one is going anywhere, unless one does his best to change the world for the better.
Though I wish that intelligent, evolved human beings from another planet visited us when we are more ready...

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Originally posted by ninthplanetwhen I first read it I was a bit skeptical; however, as I began to journey more into the New Age world, I observed a connection with much of the book's material.

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Perhaps it would be best for some if they read it as a science fiction, since they will find it difficult (but not impossible) to verify that what they say is true.

Even if you read it as simply a work of science fiction, it still contains invaluable advice don't you think! :-)..

I am posting this topic for anyone who has read, or is curious about the book titled Abduction to the Ninth Planet.  It is about a man named Michel Desmarquet who is reportedly abducted by a highly spiritual civilization, and is taken back to their home planet, Thiauooba, in 1987.  Like many, when I first read it I was a bit skeptical; however, as I began to journey more into the New Age world, I observed a connection with much of the book's material.  Much of it talks about the metaphysical realm, such as: OBE's, chakras, levitation, astral travel, and auras to say the least.  I also enjoyed the fact that it offered a different view on our Earth's past, relating to the pyramids, Atlantis, the Bermuda Triangle, and Easter Island.  
 
  I find my topic in line with this specific forum in that this book stresses the importance of spiritual evolvement, and the act of freewill.  It offers plenty other interesting topics that has helped me find order in the chaotic world of belief systems.  Please explore the website www.thiauooba.com , and please send any type of reply, I would like to hear from anyone.

-ninthplanet

"Failure is the opportunity to begin again, this time more wisely"

Hey guys,

there is a website with TV-Interviews with the author of "Thiaoouba Prophecy a.k.a. Abduction to the Ninth Planet" Michel Desmarquet available in Real-Media-format.

Check it out, be quick :)

http://oriharu.net/jvideo.htm
(EDIT: This works now, you have to search for "Michel" and will find three links)

I believe the book is a compilation of eastern philosophy, alien abductee reports, and the author's own childlike imagination. The entire premise of the book, as far as my intuition is concerned, is to deliver a message. That message being the promotion author's personal social ideological concepts and eastern philosophical beliefs. The only reason anything written concerning metaphysics strikes any cord with anyone is because the author got the information from the same place you did. A book. I could right a book right now borrowing from all kinds of eastern philosophies and New Age rhetoric and of course it might parallel the beliefs of other New Age practitioners and Spiritualist.

That Tom Chalko guy and the author bragged a lot about how there is nothing in the book that could be proven inaccurate. Granted, the burden of proof is on them seeing no one in the world can disprove that I am the Creator and I just made this universe, its physics, and its history two seconds ago. However, there are some things in the book which can be scientifically disproven.

Ionizing radiation does not pick and choose which organic matter it will ionize. Be this organic material an ant, roach, or a human being; all three are going to die if exposed to lethal amounts.

Ants and roaches are not going to become gigantic versions of their smaller selves while humans slowly mutate and die. If there is enough radiation to cause an organic life form to mutate(which is pure science fiction), there is enough to cause it to die outright. People exposed to lethal radiation die within a time frame of a day to a week. They may bleed, lose mental capability, vomit, etc., but they do not mutate and deform during this time. Their molecules start losing electrons and their molecular composition deteriorates and they die.

ON the subject of giant space ants, is anyone aware of how much meat it would require to sustain one colony of ants the size of cows? That's around a 100 thousand carnivores the size of cows at the LEAST... left to feed on a dying planet with hardly enough plant life to support the herbivores. And since when does radiation cause beneficial mutations? These ants developed lungs to support their giantism... via mutation by radiation??? Radio active particles that by nature stripe electrons from atoms which in turn guarantee death(not mutation) if the atmosphere was filled with such particles.

The author has read far too much science fiction as a child. I'm surprised the humans didn't just become 10 mile high giants as well:)

Lethal amounts of radiation vary between creatures. From http://www.ipm.iastate.edu/ipm/hortnews/1996/12-13-1996/bomb.html:

Quoteradiologists have found that humans can safely withstand a one-time exposure of 5 rems (A "rem" is the dosage of radiation that will cause a specific, measured amount of injury to human tissue). A lethal dose is 800 rems or more (people are exposed to about 16 rems during their lifetime).

Insect researchers have found that cockroaches can tolerate a much higher dose -- really higher! The lethal dose for the American cockroach is 67,500 rems and for the German cockroach it is between 90,000 and 105,000 rems (yikes!). In truth the amount of radiation that cockroaches can withstand is equivalent to that of a thermonuclear explosion.

According to a friend of mine:

QuoteI think that, given that the Thaori effectively say that species are interrelated because subspecies are derived from primary species, it could very well be possible that an ant's organism contains information about structures that are normally alien to them and do not manifest, much like it is possible for humans to develop the so-called atavisms under certain unknown influences. In this line of reasoning, radiation could unlock the development of such structures and allow the creatures to partially take on the structure of others.

"Lethal amounts of radiation vary between creatures"

Not exactly. Some creatures don't really take in the full blunt of the radiation to begin with. Although, what I meant to convey was that radiation is harmful to all organisms. Actually, roaches do indeed have an unusually different chromosome structure, which is difficult for radiation to shatter. So do butterflies, but not ants.

Ionizing radiation does not attack organic material per say, it attacks atoms by pulling electrons out of their orbit. Radiation effects organism in the form of particles. Creatures with exoskeletons(especially roaches which has a particularly dense one) absorb oxygen through their skeletal structure. Radioactive particles aren't small enough to be absorbing with oxygen. They are killed from the outside in, instead of from the inside out, as with organisms who breath via lungs. Also their exoskeleton molts and this removes radioactive particles. Considering the cellular growth of roaches I can see why they could take more.

However, according to the author, these insects developed lungs and large masses putting them in the same category with the rest of us. When you take everything into consideration, there is no reason for the roach to physically change due to radiation as it doesn't really break the skin in in the first place. It's tantamount to humans mutating to a point where we no longer have an epidermis because of solar radiation and then thriving regardless of the fact that we lost the one thing that protected us. The roach genetics have served them for 365 million years and now, from a survival perspective, they are going to de-evolve into something that is more susceptible to radiation.. AND THRIVE?!?!?! There is no way any creature the size of a large dog is going to be able to cellular regenerate fast enough to slow down the radiation process. To much mass to cover in addiction to inhaling radioactive particles directly into the blood stream.

The author is in a land of make believe. He'd have been better of just writing a theological thesis. Instead he's trying to pull a "God is own my side" move by attributing the supposed beliefs of these "top of of the spiritual hierarchy" aliens to his own.

which is better to read, the prophecy, or the choice

In my opinion: The Choice is full of blatantly incorrect statements, but the prophecy is a cleverly written story that is hard to find anything that can be clearly shown to be false. There is nothing to make the story true either though, except wishful thinking perhaps. As others said, it is a collection of eastern mythology, little vague bits of recent science mixed in, along with phrases telling the reader that the truly evolved person will 'feel' that the book is true.

yea im buying the online prophecy

its only 5 bucks and it talks alot about the higher self, etc

the beings that live there, are neither male or female??


i read this part about that big that said something about that, thats so strange

and they look more femanine than masculine, but does that meen their faces have a bit of masculine in it? and they still say they are better looking

that's such a hard concept/idea to grab a hold of

do you guys believe this concept of, through incarnation, having a life as the opposite gender than you are in in this life?

for some reason i always felt when you leave astral you continue your gender, forever

anyone have any thoughts on this???

he says he was a princess in one life Lol
(michel)

Quote from: wizzle3the beings that live there, are neither male or female??


i read this part about that big that said something about that, thats so strange

and they look more feminine than masculine, but does that mean their faces have a bit of masculine in it? and they still say they are better looking

that's such a hard concept/idea to grab a hold of

In accordance with what the author personally identifies as beautiful, all his aliens are tall, large breasted, blond amazon "women" who have both sexual organs. In his imaginary world, these aliens decided amongst themselves that the female appearance was superior to that of males. Not one individual, male or female, thought that the male physic was worth ever looking at again. They all wanted to be tall large breasted blond amazons...  :roll:


I would think that beyond the physical plane's biological anatomies of gender and the emotion/mental(astral and mental planes) aspects concerning male and female, everyone would simply be conscious entities. Male and female become unnecessary concepts.

The book states that there is a reason for all Thiaooubans being hermaphrodites.

May I quote the source:

Quote'Thao, is there a reason for your all being hermaphrodites?'
'Yes, and it is important, Michel. I was surprised you didn't ask that question sooner.'
[...] 'Now, at the bottom of the fluidic body and just above the sex organs is found a very important Chakra, which we call the Mouladhara, and which your yogis call Sacred. Above this Chakra, and meeting the spinal column, is the Paltanius. It is in the form of a coiled spring and only reaches the base of the spinal column when it is relaxed.
'For it to become relaxed, it requires the accomplishment of the sexual act between two partners who must not only love one another, but also have a spiritual affinity between them. Only at that moment and under these conditions will the Paltanius extend to the spinal column, transferring an energy and special gifts to the physiological body which then affects the physical body. The person concerned will experience happiness in sexual enjoyment which is far greater than normal.
[...] 'Certain Tantrists on Earth have attained this point, but it isn't common among them, for still their religions, with rediculous rituals and prohibitions, creates a real obstacle to attaining this goal. When they look at the forest, they don't see the trees.
'Let's go back to our loving couple: The man has experienced great pleasure transformed into beneficial vibrations for the Paltanius, thanks to a love which is genuine, and absolute compatibilty. All these sensations of happiness were released by the accomplishment of the sexual act. The sensations of happiness are not the same with the female, but the process is the same with her.
'Now, to answer your question. On our planet, with bodies that are both male and female, we can achieve, at will, the sensations, both male and female. Of course, this brings us a much greater range of sexual pleasure than if we were mono-sexual. Further, our fluidic body can be at its best. Our appearance is, needless to say, more feminine than masculine [...]'

once i project i'll believe any of that when i see it

untill then i dont wanna be a large breasted amazon haha

that was a half-joke

(only in the sense that i'm in this life, and i do not infact know the truth)





if in the astral gender becomes unneccissary, how is there Spirit guides under certain genders??

and isn't there a masculine and femanine part of God?

Quote from: wizzle3once i project i'll believe any of that when i see it

untill then i dont wanna be a large breasted amazon haha

that was a half-joke

(only in the sense that i'm in this life, and i do not infact know the truth)





if in the astral gender becomes unneccissary, how is there Spirit guides under certain genders??

and isn't there a masculine and femanine part of God?

You can have both male and female phenotypes and still be a civilization of hermaphrodites. I guess all the females were lesbians to begin with. Obviously the author is more comfortable with girl on girl action :shock:

Gender, in addition to it's physical presence, is a psychological concept that I believe carries over into the emotional and mental bodies as baggage from the physical existence. Simply having what we might identify as a male appearance does not necessarily dictate a gender. In my opinion gender is based on rather you have a penis or a vagina or both based in procreation.

It personally think "God" is the totality of existence; Me, you, him, her, those guys, that tree, what goes up, must come down, etc. I don't believe in any cruel dictator lorded over me although we are quite cruel to ourselves.

In my understanding male represents spirituality, intuitive intellect, imagination, awareness, god-consciousness, etc.  while female represents instinct, sexuality, self power, creation, intellectual understanding, etc.

The "male" and the "female" in that respect have nothing to do with a penis or a vagina?

Hello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

Quote from: niborHello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

Yes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

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Quote from: niborHello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

Yes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

8) I don't think you could see much of anything anyway if you're faster than light. If you were to have a car traveling faster than light, the light coming at you would be "piling up" on your windshield because you'd be going to fast for it to reflect off. I wonder what exactly that would look like.

So our fiction novelist claims that there are definitely only 9 planets, huh? I didn't read the whole book, but I wouldn't have thought anyone would be dumb enough to assert something that could so easily be shown to be false tomorrow.  :roll: He might as well have claimed that there were no more species of any kind of animal other what are already discovered.

Quote from: niborHello
Another thing that is very questionable to me is the conversation on page 29. They travel very fast between the stars. Then they manage to see a comet at that great speed. And when Michel asks how far away that comet is from the spacecraft, Thao replies "4 150 000 kilometers".
What is the point to give such an exact answer to the question, given that the speed of light is 300 000 km/s, and they where going at many times the speed of light?

/nibor

What if Thao glanced at a screen and gave the exact answer because it is quicker to tell it as it is instead of to round it off?

Quote from: PassiveFistYes, there are lots of things wrong with it. It's a very cleverly written fiction, using little bits from all subjects that 'sound correct'. Just look at what the author says at the end - that the more evolved reader will just 'know' it's true. The book was written in 1987 I think. Back when everyone thought there were 9 planets in our solar system. So the book says that all solar systems have 9 planets. Well, we now know that there are 10 planets in our solar system, maybe more. Or 8 if your definition of planet is different, there certainly aren't 9 though.

If you have read the book, you will note that it says that sometimes a system will have more than 9 planets, but in time it will revert to the number nine because the pattern of the universe dictates this. And nowhere does it specify the exact number of planets in our solar system.

Quote from: MiddleWay"Lethal amounts of radiation vary between creatures"

Not exactly. Some creatures don't really take in the full blunt of the radiation to begin with. Although, what I meant to convey was that radiation is harmful to all organisms. Actually, roaches do indeed have an unusually different chromosome structure, which is difficult for radiation to shatter. So do butterflies, but not ants.

Ionizing radiation does not attack organic material per say, it attacks atoms by pulling electrons out of their orbit. Radiation effects organism in the form of particles. Creatures with exoskeletons(especially roaches which has a particularly dense one) absorb oxygen through their skeletal structure. Radioactive particles aren't small enough to be absorbing with oxygen. They are killed from the outside in, instead of from the inside out, as with organisms who breath via lungs. Also their exoskeleton molts and this removes radioactive particles. Considering the cellular growth of roaches I can see why they could take more.

However, according to the author, these insects developed lungs and large masses putting them in the same category with the rest of us. When you take everything into consideration, there is no reason for the roach to physically change due to radiation as it doesn't really break the skin in in the first place. It's tantamount to humans mutating to a point where we no longer have an epidermis because of solar radiation and then thriving regardless of the fact that we lost the one thing that protected us. The roach genetics have served them for 365 million years and now, from a survival perspective, they are going to de-evolve into something that is more susceptible to radiation.. AND THRIVE?!?!?! There is no way any creature the size of a large dog is going to be able to cellular regenerate fast enough to slow down the radiation process. To much mass to cover in addiction to inhaling radioactive particles directly into the blood stream.

The author is in a land of make believe. He'd have been better of just writing a theological thesis. Instead he's trying to pull a "God is own my side" move by attributing the supposed beliefs of these "top of of the spiritual hierarchy" aliens to his own.

The quote that Yothu, a good friend of mine, gave, is actually mine.

Could you please read it again?

QuoteI think that, given that the Thaori effectively say that species are interrelated because subspecies are derived from primary species, it could very well be possible that an ant's organism contains information about structures that are normally alien to them and do not manifest, much like it is possible for humans to develop the so-called atavisms under certain unknown influences. In this line of reasoning, radiation could unlock the development of such structures and allow the creatures to partially take on the structure of others.

Note especially "it could very well be possible that an ant's organism contains information about structures that are normally alien to them and do not manifest" and that "radiation could unlock the development of such structures and allow the creatures to partially take on the structure of others".

Now, could you please show me formal scientific studies that have concluded that those insects can never get as giant as described in the book, and the ants can never develop lungs? No, you absolutely cannot do that now.

Alternatively, could you point me to studies concluding that all genes of a cockroach or ant have finally been identified, and there are no any more? No, you absolutely cannot do that now.

I promise that if you ever provide me with such studies, I am going to take the time to examine and discuss them with you step-by-step in a careful logical manner.

You are also incorrectly claiming that the author wrote cockroaches developed lungs -- it is ants that are claimed to have developed them.

So when you say "The author is in a land of make believe. He'd have been better of just writing a theological thesis", you should realize that you are in the land of "make believe", too, when you give your opinion that "there is no way".

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What if Thao glanced at a screen and gave the exact answer because it is quicker to tell it as it is instead of to round it off?

Given that they where speaking to each other, this does not sound likely at all. If they where going with several times the speed of light, they would be at least a million, if not many millions of kilometers nearer or further away from the comet before Thao would have been able to end the sentence. That is a pretty big part of the distance that where from the beginning. A better answer would have been "50 000 000 000 km:s away" or something like that I think. Because they where also able to watch the stars moving, and they are separated by trillions of km:s (12 zeros).
what do you think?

/nibor

Nibor, how about something like the following situation. Imagine an equilateral triangle with side 4,150,000 km (the following figure is not quite an equilateral triangle but imagine it is). The comet is positioned at vertex A, and let us for the purposes imagine that it is virtually stationary (or moving very slowly, something that is quite possible). The ship moves at several times the speed of light and is positioned at vertex B when Thao starts the sentence. Then the shortest distance from the ship to the comet at vertex A is 4,150,000 km, the length of side BA. Then, while the sentence finishes a couple of seconds later, the ship travels 4,150,000 km. along side BC, and reaches vertex C. Since the shortest distance from vertex C to vertex A is the length of side CA, the reading still shows 4,150,000 km and there is no departure from the original reading at point B.
   
......A o
......../..\
......./....\
....../......\
...../........\
..../..........\
B o---------o C

(The dots are present only to keep the forum software from removing the indent.)

An example with an isosceles triangle will also be feasible, as well as with various other figures and approximations.

Ok, fair enought.
But even this reasoning does not explain how they could see the stars moving, and at the same time be able to give such an exact measurement. Because that would require much higher speeds, so that you had to dimension up that triangle many times to get to the proper dimensions.

/Nibor

What do you mean by "you had to dimension up that triangle many times to get to the proper dimensions"?

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What do you mean by "you had to dimension up that triangle many times to get to the proper dimensions"?

What I meant was that you had to change its size to be much bigger. Because with that size, you would not be able to see the stars move. If Thao where able to speak a sentence within that relatively short distance from b to c, it would mean that they would travel with to low speed to see the stars move, with the dimensions given.
Did that make sence?

/nibor

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What do you mean by "you had to dimension up that triangle many times to get to the proper dimensions"?

What I meant was that you had to change its size to be much bigger. Because with that size, you would not be able to see the stars move. If Thao where able to speak a sentence within that relatively short distance from b to c, it would mean that they would travel with to low speed to see the stars move, with the dimensions given.
Did that make sence?

/nibor

Yes, you could have such an argument, but I looked at the text and nothing in the text makes it certain that there was star movement seen in the particular moments while the sentence was being uttered. Page 28 (of the chapter "Atomic Destruction"):

QuoteFrom where I was, I could follow, on the central panel, the movement of stars as we proceeded on our way. Sometimes they appeared enormous and blinding as we passed by a little too closely - a few million kilometers from them. At times, too, we noticed planets of strange colours. I remember one was of an emeral green, so pure I was stunned. It resembled an enormous jewel.

Note the author says "From where I was, I could follow ... the movement of stars as we proceeded on our way". He does not say something like "I could follow the incessant movement of stars". He adds "Sometimes they... At times...".

Then the text immediately continues with the following, but it is not clear exactly when Thao approached and if there was any particular movement seen at this moment of time:

QuoteThao approached and I took advantage of the opportunity to ask her about a band of light that had appeared at the base of the screen. This light was composed of what looked like millions of tiny explosions.
'These are caused by our anti-matter guns, as you would call them on Earth... [a long paragraph follows]
'Do you see a multicoloured point with a tail, at the right of the screen?' The 'thing' was approaching at high speed. Second by second we were able to admire it.
It seemed to explode constantly and change form, its colours indescribably rich. I looked at Thao.
'It's a comet,' she said. 'It completes a revolution around its sun in approximately 55 of your Earth years.'
'How far are we from it?'
She glanced at the computer: '4 150 000 kilometers.'
[no reference to comet or space for the rest of the chapter]

Yeah, it could be like you said.
Not really related, but have you read "the convergence series" by David Wilcock? A very convincing work of the reality of the universe, with many references to works that proves its points. I have not read all the e-books yet, but what I have read is very interesting. I think it's interesting to compare the "Thiaoouba prophecy" against this. Give it a go, if you have the time. Here is the address to the site that contains the e-books:

http://ascension2000.com/

They are placed at the left side of the site.
I have already given this address in another thread, so you might already have seen it.

/nibor

Nibor, I have known of him since last year when I read an interview with him. I have just read some bits of the "Convergence" series you have told me about, and I am dubious about his ascension theory because I do not think that he gives enough compelling evidence and proof that a global ascension is real. I will look forward to any further evidence/proof, as well as search for myself.

Although this is not directly in the "Abduction to the 9th Planet" book, I know that the author, Michel Desmarquet, has stated that there is no such thing as a global planetary ascension.

I try not to be prejudiced about things I cannot prove conclusively, so we'll see.

I read the whole book online; it was interesting...don't know if it was true but it was a very good book. He should update the site or something.

Vesselinpeev,

First I'd like to state that I never said that ants could not develop lungs or that they could not grow to be the size of a cow. What I said was that they could not undergo such a change and at the same time be immune to the deadly effects of radiation.

Why don't you take the initiative to study radiation yourself? Then use that same initiative in your study of roach physiology. Then you will understand why a roach is more resilient to radiation than a human. You will also come to understand why a physiological development of lungs would stripe a roach of their advantage.

No creature the size of a dog is going to be able to absorb enough oxygen through an exoskeleton to support their mass. And if they could it would take A LOT of energy to pull in the same amount of air that lungs deliver through the pores of an exoskeleton. They would have to constantly be in the process of consuming sugars, carbs, and proteins and would not be able to ever rest because once the stopped eating they'd burn all their body's energy reserves by merely breathing. Sleeping would be suicide.

You don't have to believe me. Believe whatever you want. You seem so fanatical in your need to believe in this particular author that I think this discussion is bordering on a religious debate. I don't debate people's faith because faith is emotionally motivated by nature.

Peace.

Dear Middleway,

I apologize for the harshness in a previous post of mine, viz. "Could you please read it again?" in the context of the post. Also, I am sorry to have misunderstood you about ants, roaches and gigantism. If my posts have produced in you the impression that I am fanatical, this could not be farther from the truth. It could be stated with certainty, though, that I am very zealous to consider, check, going beyond belief and assumptions, and if good, apply, as far as my resources permit, many things from not only this book, but also numerous other sources on a mental and spiritual subject matter. In today's world of psychological crisis, I feel very pressed to do so, but despite that necessity, I do need to ease up at times, and I am going to work on it.

I am going to take the initiative, sincerely and carefully spend time to re-examine what you wrote (when I have more time), research things, and contact you personally with my findings (it would be good end results to be posted here eventually for the benefit of others). I strive for a civilized discussion in a careful logical manner, as I have pointed out in a previous post, and in fact I am glad that you have a real, non-vague argument against something in the book.

Until next time.