In our circle. we have just completed the dragon level of the Universal Path . We manifested a magnetic moon merkabah and energy body . We traveled thru the window at the edge of the universe and emerged as crowned swans .
In meditation we saw a fairy tale vision of the Mother of All Worlds , the Crimson King ,Prince Rupert and the Golden Dragon . But we don't understand it all YET. What do these characters have to do with the Great Work ?
http://ame2.asu.edu/projects/haunted/Web%20Word%20Documents/Melusina%20and%20Sophia.doc
We clairvoyantly witnessed the energy body changing into auric wings with 3 rings of moon light . There were lions beneath our palms . We do not know why some of the lions are green and some are gold . We wait to see the next transformation . These Alchemist links were hugely confirming of what we saw :
http://www.alchemy.dial.pipex.com/amcldraw.html
http://www.alchemy.dial.pipex.com/amcl_mylius.html
http://www.alchemy.dial.pipex.com/ripley_scroll.html
But this does not answer us .We clairvoyantly saw the red and green dragons emerge from the energy body to become golden or green lions but which came first ? What does this mean? What do the green lions represent ?
We know that the kundalini snakes emerge as teal and violet heads above the crown chakra and that these soon become dragon heads . There are snake tails of teal and crimson below the red chakra . The dragon heads come down and lie across the chest as green and red dragons with legs . Then they come down to the waist and one seems to eat the other in the ourobouros circle but soon there are two lions holding hands there . The next morning we saw golden lions under the hands of some in the group and green lions under others . We suspect the golden ones turn green . But we need more time to see if this is right .
Has anyone here in the forum experienced the transformation to the Magnetic Energy Body and Merkabah ? Can anyone tell us what happens next or how long it will take before it all becomes electric ?
WOW, great point. You must forgive my basic knowledge but what green means?
QuoteIn meditation we saw a fairy tale vision of the Mother of All Worlds , the Crimson King ,Prince Rupert and the Golden Dragon . But we don't understand it all YET. What do these characters have to do with the Great Work ?
The Crimson King is an image of the Emperor of the Tarot
and I learned from:
http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/Metaphysical.html
that it symbolises the seeker and the God as does the Fool in the tarot.
the man with an aim or Stability, power, protection, realization, a great person, authority and will.= the intention of the mystic Prince Rupert Awakes -"Hermes is the God who puts people to sleep and wakes them at dawn. The name of the Prince was never given until recent times ( i think ) when contemporary fairy tales and rock songs made him have that name . The prince is a figure representing the fool from the tarot too . So Prince is the (physical self ) prodigal son coming back to reunite with the King (God and Higher Spiritual Self )
The dragon represents so very much the kundalini the base nature of man extinguished and the golden nature of man re-established . The dragon did speak to us and embodied some conciousness . The figures of eh prince and king were symbolic and did not seem to move they were flat images presented to us in meditation to understand more of the mystery.
.... we are still working on the order of the green and gold lions and their meaning
any clues ???
http://www.tarotforum.net/archive/index.php/t-20643.html- the "rage of the green lion?" The Green Lion devouring the sun is vitriol -- conveniently not just a chemical substance, but also the word for corrosive rage and fury. In Jungian symbolic, The Lions of Alchemy (http://www.antlionpit.com/alchemy.html), "the alchemical "green lion" devouring the sun relates to the experience of consciousness being overwhelmed by violent, frustrated desires, often masked by depression."
(http://www.triad-publishing.com/stone20e.html) by Beat Cruncher also explains that the Green Lion, and Vitriol are code for the original substance of the philosopher's stone 'Vitriol um' is a contraction of the initial letters of the following Latin sentence:
VISTA Interior Terra Inventions Occult um Lap idem Vera Medicinam. Or in one of the possible translations:
"See in the interior of the purified earth, and you will find the secret stone, the true medicine".the Centre of Purified self is the heart –that night Debbie's heart was made golden -the angel the little golden heart .
The Jungian idea of the psychological Shadow is further suggested from the Green Lion's association with the Red Lion --Green = shadow of Red -- the Green Lion is the beginning, from his blood will emerge the Red Lion -- the reddening and then the final transmutation –
... gotten this much but my group needs to synthesize it and understand the order and intention of these symbols becoming clairvoyantly witnessed in the human energy body .
I could use some help with meta cognition of this whole stage
the moon magnetic Merkabah
the tarot images
the visualisations
the changes in the energy body
and the transformation to the golden electric body and merkabah [/list:u]
why are you so keen on electric ?, for crying out loud
it is NOT compatible with earth's energy flow ..
Quote from: daem0nwhy are you so keen on electric ?, for crying out loud
it is NOT compatible with earth's energy flow ..
Daemon , I believe that you do have a greater understanding of the hermetic nature of the merkabah than I do .And I am sure that you have a better understanding of the
will and
intent than I do . I also respect your esoteric background and experience . I believe you would neither misrepresent nor misconstrue your truths . And I cannot argue which is better as I do not have the background or the facts to debate this point YET . lol .
In our group we have all gone to the edge of this universe and had a small glimpse of the space beyond it . We went through the window on the edge which is like a triangular stargate after going through 2 wormholes . We had to become like needle hot points of light and when we passed through it we looked like crowned swans . Interestingly not everyone in the group was able to make it thru the first few times . The difference was definitely in the development of the energy body .
Those that did not pass thru did not have 2 dragons yet . After we passed thru, we all developed lions but i am so perplexed about the colours green and golden (none red so far) . And there is so little information i can access to assist me in the interpretation of the phenomena that i have seen .
I can only tell you that we don't work by will in my group .We work by light and trust .The natural development of the human energy body just unfolds and we witness and chronicle it .
So we were given faces that looked like cartoon suns on Friday night . We did not ask for them or intend to get them ,they just appeared . I am not bothered . I remain excited in anticipation . I do not know why the stage of the moon is so short and transitive .But the moon eclipses the sun and moves away shortly afterwards
I do know that you were right it is a necessary step to manifest a magnetic merkabah.So well done !! .
I assume that the merkabah will not stay fully electric and golden . I feel it will develop further to something that is controlled by the human seeker to become magnetic or electric or hermaphroditic as needed . I would not be surprised however if it becomes something else altogether which is neither of these .
Recall that as the kundalini ascends it is all electric and when it descends it is all magnetic . We carefully observed and chronicled the kundalini rising and falling within its path to enlighten each nested subtle body until the energy body was "perfected " . This took 14 turns or 7 cycles . After that point we continued to develop spiritually but the energy body was not clairvoyantly appearing to change . Instead the body received more pillars and the merkabah developed in complexity . We assumed that the energy body itself was done .
I was amazed to find two people , you and maggie, who showed me differently . You willed the change and Maggie's occurred naturally .
Is it incompatible to develop an all electric merkabab ? I can't say . Will it impede our progress ? I don't think so . But I cannot believe that the natural unfolding would harm us in any way . So I just look forward to the next stage and try my best to know what will happen and what has already occurred . It won't be long so I will let you know .
I am so glad to have your help and I appreciate your interest more than you can know . I have written to Diana Cooper , Dr. Joshua David Stone ,
and James Hurtak which are the only other LIVE humans I know that have done this with their groups . None of them write back . They are too rich and famous .
I am so grateful to have peers and sounding boards . But I am much more grateful to find mentors . Please let me know what your experiences with the magnetic body and merkabah are like .
leave it as is
i have no hermetic knowledge of the merkabah, i merely call back the knowledge of my ancestors, this is direct knowledge, but with little conscious cognition, nevertheless, it works
Hey cool!
Green not as strong, then red. If I remember correctly. Am not familiar with any gold lions in alchemy, white perhaps. The substance of/for transformation into an enlightened being!
Wish I could help you! One thing though - I have read and heard from too many people about the possible detrimental effects of kundalini if done too fast, it being a pretty hefty thing indeed.
love and peace!!
Rob
Quote from: IngumaGreen not as strong, then red.Rob
Right as usual Rob :)
There is a white swan and white sphinx but i have not seen a white lion YET.
You are right the red is the stronger lion
first emerges the golden
then transition green
then "perfected" red
this is how it unfolded :
I unaware human becomes healer of self
dominant side yellow head n chest sun striped
non dominant side platinum blue head n chest moon stripes
II kundalini rises in the seeker - healer of others -the initiate begins maze
dominant side hot light hand fire
non dominant side cold heavy hand water
III the group merkabah journeys begin -white lighter trying to heal planet
the ascension has begun the body "perfected " for the journey
dominant side : salmon pink red leg ,amber orange arm stars,turquoise snake head above crown chakra,crimson red snake tail below root chakra
non dominant side in this order :cyan green leg air ,indigo blue arm heavens space ,purple snake head, teal gray snake tail
reiki and spiritual healers tend to develop their arms before the legs first .
IV
the avatar has begun " bring down the message " we begin to teach and share -The more we share the faster and stronger we fly . We are shown this is the time to realise the secret is love and service. Dragon headed snakes emerged from the energy body and pillars were added .
The merkabah continues develop in complexity axis and pyramidal sides and nested loops . (What are these loops called btw I know this is not the right term ???)
V
the vortex journeys begin the first path of the magician is "completed" the mystic begins now at the window on the edge .
dom:red dragon head with legs on chest
nondom:green dragon head legs on chest
both :golden lions under palms
both :green lions under palms
dom:red lion under palm
next :??
The lions appear and crawled back into the spine at the conclusion of this stage they are extensions of the kundalini and our energy body
Red is stop ,up , away , electric , sun ,male ,stronger protection
the
Green is go ,down ,home ,magnetic,moon female
Then the seeker wills and manifests all moon or all sun energy at will
for the energy body and the merkabah as required .
The seeker flys as a golden dragon back to merge into the white sphinx
i think this means we are half done with this stage as we may come back again to merge with the wisdom of the black sphinx
Then the seeker becomes a crow and sits in the flames consuming more of the negativity and ego that holds us back still
The seeker becomes a phoenix all the chakras radiate the colours of the phoenix now the seeker has rainbow coloured auric wings that are clairvoyantly witnessed
but....finds they cannot fly gloriously afterall as the non dominant foot is still lead .We appear now to have a very pretty painfully obvious silver coloured lead boot which we must shed .This is our dumping ground- our kundalini enema if you will . We can use this spot in the energy body to continue to rid ourselves of more and more negativity and ego . When we become more enlightened , build up our light body quotient enough we will shed this boot and slip away as the phoenix . We see also that we can balance on this one strong foot now . We get dreams of all of us in circle holding hands hopping on one foot so this makes sense . We can still project our consciousness and fly but we can't fly past that window we remain on the edge on the other side but unable to go further yet .
We get visions of reaching into the hole below to pull others up .Preparing for a shift of human consciousness is the mission of all . We are all one universal mind . We are asked to send a message in a bottle . We put our messages into the alchemists flask and send it out .
Each time we pull someone up we to climb up easier ourselves and we are in turn helped by those ahead of us .We must keep working of course . The journey continues . This is all I know at this time .
Hey Aunt Clair!!!! :D :D
Gotta be quick, got the first exam of my (6) finals tomorrow, just came here for a quick break. Nervous!!
Anyway! Seems obvious to me that your gold lion signifies the white lion of alchemy, since the order is perfect and the symbolic connection between pure white and gold is intuitively a little obvious now I think about it! :oops:
In classical alchemy, at least from what I have picked up, white, green and red lion do the same thing, they just take different lengths of time to do it (a year, a month, a day, respectively).
Back to doing some light work....uch......exam is "energy and the environment" - I think its very good that they teach us engineers this sort of thing. Like, how we're totally screwed if we dont do something to stop destroying our envonrment, and what can be done. Good stuff.
adio
Rob
Quote from: IngumaHey cool!
Green not as strong, then red. If I remember correctly. Am not familiar with any gold lions in alchemy, white perhaps. The substance of/for transformation into an enlightened being!
Wish I could help you! One thing though - I have read and heard from too many people about the possible detrimental effects of kundalini if done too fast, it being a pretty hefty thing indeed.
love and peace!!
Rob
I know that Black, White and RED are great regimes to cause transmutation not only in substances, but in consciousness too.
pd. That should work :twisted:
Hi Catherine,
I like the description of moving through the Universe's natural boundary.. did you find it to be something like a membraneous bubble that you could easily pass through ?
A few years ago I experimented to see what was outside of this Universe and found something that brought home the as above so below charateristic. Even though we know this is true, it was enlightening to experience it as reality beyond the physical Universe realms.
The Golden Dragon is something else. I was a red dragon after the Kundalini raising to the brow chakra, and after more Remembering of what we really are, finding the reverberating Golden Light energy within my own heart chakra, I looked at myself in Journey and noticed that I was now a Golden Dragon.
This is the form I like to show some people who may need the shock to press on with their own Remembering. When a person sees it for themselves it clicks something inside them, something that motivates them to experience and remember more of themselves.
It's all good.
:P
Tayesin ,
Quote from: TayesinI like the description of moving through the Universe's natural boundary.. did you find it to be something like a membraneous bubble that you could easily pass through ? :P
Yes it was like a rectangular membrane through which we spun as hot needles of light which is strange as we were as the moon and magnetic at the time . I wonder if the cool magnetic force is needed to keep us from burning up lol . Anyhoo.
To get there 8 of the 10 in our group went with a moon light merkabah of magnetic and cold energy . We passed thru 2 wormholes of light and kept getting images of the hanged man . When we passed thru I looked back as i felt we were no longer together and i saw 2 from the group that did not make it that time . The funniest looked like a cartoon image of a man splat on a window face turned sideways and squished . Then we saw a triangle stargate which opened one leg to let us pass making sort of a squished C then we saw a portal with 5 doors which looked like the eye of the needle doors in the middle east .
Reminding me lol of the parable of the rich man and the camel . Have to let go of more physical to make it thru . Inside were seats of golden petals . We sat on these and they folded around us like tulips leaves round thumbelina and we were made as light and passed thru a prism up smaller still into space . We were tested in the flask which we entered as green pearls we came out and back to bodies .
We went back the next time with images of the falling tower coming in and entered the flames as crows and came out as the phoenix but with one golden bird foot and one of silver coloured lead . We went back to reflect upon our sadnesses of this life and use this as tools to boil up and distill the unconscious thoughts so that they became our tools . Two of us 10 have gone to the flag . These are both my daughters 16 and 17 yo . I have not gone yet myself :( . My boot just came off this morning lol . :P
We look like golden dragon/phoenix creatures but the girls hold a flag and I do not . Tonight we go again and I will see the place of the flag . The eldest ones in our group are 68 and 72.They have the most difficulty doing this . We accumulate so much baggage in our life . I believe this is another reason to come to the kingdom of God as a child .
Thanks Tayesin for the reply . I wonder now how do we continue this journey now we have completed the Great Work . We landed on the white sphinx as the golden dragon so we must now travel to the black sphinx . Have you done this ? What is next ??
I am enjoying Australia Day last day before the grind of work again . I am a school teacher so I go back tomorrow . I have found so much today in my zeal to get the last bits out of this siesta lol . Check out the first one . in french in Latin and in English
yummy mind lollies :D
Esoteric Archives :http://www.esotericarchives.com/
hermetic ousing:http://www.geocities.com/andymak252/EsotericLinks.htm
occult advances :http://occult-advances.org/
and
not nearly as fruitful but for your perusal from my site :
http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/measuringyourprogress.msnw
http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/spiritualdevelopmentv.msnw
as chronicled so far :
http://au.msnusers.com/AuntClairsParlorSpiritualReadingRoom/measuringyourprogress.msnw
Quote from: daidaluzI know that Black, White and RED are great regimes to cause transmutation not only in substances, but in consciousness too.twisted:
Sphinx :
"The white sphinx represents mercy and the positive life force. The black
sphinx represents stern justice and the negative life force. Here the rider
must maintain a balance between them with his wand of authority or they
will pull in different directions./The two Sphinxes: They represent
sensation. The Black Sphinx represents painful or negative sensation. The
White Sphinx represents pleasurable or positive sensation. They represent the pleasure-pain principle where people do things either to gain pleasure or avoid pain. In this case, the two sphinxes have been brought to rest, meaning that through the invisible reins of the mind, the Higher Self is in control of the senses and therefore the personality (chariot) is no longer pulled to and fro by the pleasure-pain principle (Sphinxes)."
this seems bring the seeker once more back to full circle as we started at the sphinx and we begin life with two pillars of the kaballah
white female mercy and compassion
and
black male strength and discipline
I found this later :
"The conquest of mind over primal forces of nature and emotions.
Here a youthful vitality and strong desire to forge ahead and fight the morally correct battle is helping to accomplish your goals. Strength of will and character will bring victory with honor. Under all the celestial influences that abound you have managed to gain control over the forces of nature. Your mental and physical powers are admirable traits that lead men and women to greatness.
A princely figure is show on a chariot carrying a wand of authority and will. He uses this wand to control the two sphinxes. There is a star filled canopy hanging above him and the Hindu sign of union on the front of the chariot. Above that the wings of spirit are shown.
The white sphinx represents mercy and the positive life force. The black sphinx represents stern justice and the negative life force. Here the rider must maintain a balance between them with his wand of authority or they will pull in different directions. The star filled canopy suggests that there are celestial influences at work.
In a reading this card can signify certain victory for the querent in all matters from health to financial difficulties. This card shows that with self control and the right positive physical and mental attitude, harmony can be restored."
then this:
"The Double Sphinx is an expression of the double current of Horus and
Maat, SekhMaat being one of Her primary masks in the current Aeon. The
active powers of the Sphinx -To Know, to Will, to Dare and to Speak- are
balanced by the powers of Not -To Know Not, Will Not, Dare Not and Be
Silent. The union of these Powers is All (Pan) and the union of these
Powers of Not is Naught (Nuit), who together form the DoubleWanded One, Baphomet or Hrumachis. "
the tacire is translated as to understand without words and to hold onto the meaning but humanity usually uses the etymological source which means to keep silent to mean don't tell this is no longer the way we must share now and cause the enlightenment to spread we are all one .
I loved this authors sentiment :
http://ca.geocities.com/usual_turbocharged_philosopher/
"You see, The Philosopher Stone is a metaphor. It represents the greater
possibilities of the self. As everyone knows, certain people have special
gifts that allow them to perform extraordinary feats such as clairvoyance,
telepathy, telekinesis, polymorphism, etc. The Great Secret is this: Everyone has these abilities! A sorcerer is simply one who performs the necessary 'rituals' to hone these abilities. I place the word rituals in quotes here to emphasize the fact that there is in fact no true 'Sorcerer's Rituals'. All mystical rituals - be they Christian, Hindu, Druid, Native American, whatever - will help a Sorcerer get there. For they all preach the very same thing: the attainment of an altered sense of perception and visualization. The sorcerer understands that magic is simply proper visualization in the correct frame of perception."
"Know that the Phoenix is the soul of the Iliaster (that is, the first chaos of
the matter of all things). ... It is also the Iliastic soul in man." - Liber Azoth, S. V., Practica Lineae Vitae.
"The Philosopher's Stone: As lead to gold, so every thought"-unknown
Quote from: redcatherine
I wonder now how do we continue this journey now we have completed the Great Work . We landed on the white sphinx as the golden dragon so we must now travel to the black sphinx . Have you done this ? What is next ??
Hi Catherine,
Time out to allow the experiences to flow through and settle within you perhaps ?
As you know, we usually don't fully appreciate what our experiences have brought us, completely. And often after such amazing experiences, some time focused in the day to day-ness of living is enough to let the natural process do it's thing.
The relevance of the polarization with two Sphinx, is something expressly for you to discern. That one manifest as a Golden Dragon may indicate the wealth of support from Spirit for your endeavors as equally as it may indicate the corner-stone of big Love (fully unconditional Love energy of the Creative Source) as being the level to work and be based from in the next rounds of experience.
Because I work a different approach to your's I do not know what should be your next step. Only you can truly know the answer to this, so perhaps some time in connection with Higher-Self will illuminate your next set of growth/remembrances ?
Either way my friend, it is amazingly exciting times to be Awakening and Experiencing as we all are, in our own ways.
love Always.
:)
This thread is soooooooo over my head. I don't understand ANY of it! Hehe. You are all so advanced.
Potatis
Quote from: PotatisThis thread is soooooooo over my head. I don't understand ANY of it! Hehe. You are all so advanced.Potatis
Not really mate we are just recalling more of what we forgot lol :D
....hmmm well some of us are recalling anyway
but some of us forget what we have forgotten
did you ever see the Labrynth ?
In the oubliet we forget what we remembered and can't remember what we have forgotten . .... that is where i am right now due to menopause . lol :shock:
in my circle of 10 peers only 3 of us are under 35 yo
that means some of us are forgetting a lot
of what we learned in this life already and it is very hard to recall what we learned before this one .
My 17 yo daughter runs rings around all of us in spirit projection and voice projection . My 16 yo daughter beat all of us thru the last several stages in fact .
I hear and interpret the messages of the spirit teachers that rock up .It is only because I hear better than either of them that I still run the lass .lol.
But that is only because i can at this point in time .
I am amazed at how quickly children can learn these skills . All humans can ,if they choose .
It is not how "advanced " anyone is that counts or matters . It is how we use our love and light that matters .
It is taking the time and dedication and energy to recall what all humans know inside their hearts but have forgotten that counts .
Join the journey this is a great place to find a path to begin.... a path to forge that is your own .
Hint: green and gold colors are prominent in a certain chakra.
Quote from: pod_3Hint: green and gold colors are prominent in a certain chakra.
LOL Pod, that's not a hint, that's a direction... LOL again.
:D
QuoteWe do not know why some of the lions are green and some are gold .
Quote3 rings of moon light
...the ongoing saga of my spiritual development circles journey lol
10 of us meeting in Perth Western Australia 3 times a week .All of us are clairvoyant and clairaudient . We areable to bi locate and project during meditative state to speak to each other and give off in circle as we travel to spiritual realms . We are mixed in age and gender and strengths we teach in a spiritual realm metaphysical college according to our colour of ray and strengths .
Lynda middle aged red spiritual foundations
Jodi 35 yo orange artist psychic
Sveta 17 yo yellow merkaba scout and voice projection
Bill 68 yo green healer exorcist warrior leader
Catherine 49 yo teal medium healer lightworker channeler leader
Tom 72 yo blue healer religion historian
Maggie 50 yo indigo healer exorcist lightworker
Debbie 16 yo lavender lamplighter protection for innocents
Andrew 22 yo violet mage manifestation alchemist
Karen middle aged pink trance medium channeler
we began this "Alchemist "stage of the "Universal Path "
with the completion of what is called the "Little Work "
this was the total eclipse of the sun
we manifested a silver merkabah of all moonlight and magnetic energy in our energy bodies and in our merkabahs
we developed 1 halo of moonlight from head to shoulders
the red dragon and green dragon emerged from our shoulders
they came to the waist and a 2nd circle of moonlight formed
from the shoulders to the waist and larger
the dragons formed the ourobouros
we developed auric coloured wings and a crown
we developed the third ,waist to toes, moonlight circle
everyone in the circle had wings of yellow green
the dragons became golden lions beneath our palms
(http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/vk11.jpg)
both become green lions for a time
the non dominant hand remained mistress of the green lion
the dominant hand becomes the red lion master
we saw the lions become small and crawl up the sleeves to the spine
re-emerging when needd to change the merkaba from sun to moon
or moon to sun
the green one eats the sun but the red one eats the moon away
we manifested a golden electric sun merkaba and energy body
we became a dragon each was their circle colour on the body
ie the artist in our group was orange dragon with pearl chest and trim
soon we all became the same again as a golden dragon-phoenix
we flew and merged as a white lion sphinx with human faces
we have long strips hanging from either side of face
and a cloth sort of crown head dress
we flew away as a white lion bodied and eagle winged sphinx as
we began to return widdershins to the black sphinx on the circular path
the dominant wing became black the next day
now we have the ravens face and head a golden beak and 2 black wings
....all of us look the same except
Debbie who had the flag of the destination before us , is now a golden traveler wrapped in golden leggings like a golden samurai with golden chest armour and shoulder pads and sword of light strapped cross her chest . She does not have a helmet though . I feel this means she is nearly there .
The old alchemists drawings show that the raven was the first bird of calcination at the beginning of the process
(http://www.levity.com/alchemy/images/pandor13.jpg)
but others showed the golden dragon phoenix at the end . So i feel this is one of those "and twice you must go" rulz lol .
As we left the white sphinx we flew again with one black wing of the raven but the next morning all of us (except Debbie ) had two black wings and a round head and golden beak as witnessed clairvoyantly . But the medieval alchemist's images indicated the black raven was at the beginning of the process so we are not complete with the great work afterall it was another illusion . We must continue the journey to the black sphinx .
........."The Lioness-headed solar Goddess Sekhmet (head of lionness, body of woman) is an inverse image of the Horus sphinx (head of man, body of lion), together forming the Double Sphinx of Hrumachis ('Horus of the Two Horizons', ie. rising and setting sun), the Lord and Lady of the Sun, Double-Wanded One."
Quote from: IngumaHey Aunt Clair!!!! :D Gotta be quick, got the first exam of my (6) finals tomorrow, just came here for a quick break. Nervous!!
Rob ,
thanks for your help and how did those exams go ??
tonight part of the circle's lesson was sharing and helping each other
we are all one body one universal mind
as we share we all learn and the consciousness expands
Ta :D
Like the Luciferian and Satanic aspect on the same bird, rising from the Pit.
Quote from: pod_3Like the Luciferian and Satanic aspect on the same bird, rising from the Pit.
What tha ??? :D
The fire in the phoenix story being symbolic of Hell...
Quote from: pod_3The fire in the phoenix story being symbolic of Hell...
Forgive my incredulity but I do not see the entrance of Lucifer or Satan here . I don't mean to be intolerant but I do not believe in a man with a red suit and horns . I do believe there is negativity and evil in this world but I find it mostly human made . hmmm but do you suppose Pod that the gold foot and lead foot symbolise a duality in these two biblical figures ??
My Irish Grandfather used to say " I don't have time to believe in the Devil I believe in God " I feel we do have to lose negativity and emotional baggage , sadness to lose the lead boot and get 2 golden feet but I don't see this as escaping evil . Willing to listen to your point though sorry for being abrupt .
"He shall honour the God of forces: a god whom his fathers knew not"... he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws Dan:7:25;11:38
Albert Pike, in Magnum Opus, writes, "... the Eagle was the living Symbol of Egyptian God Mendes ... and the representative of the Sun ..."
By my understanding, the devil has Pan-like overtones, and is hermaphroditic in nature. Besides being the light-bearer (Lucifer), he is also the light wielder (Satan.)
Repeatedly in the Bible, other fallen angels are referred to as birds. Notice than each head of this Satanic bird points to either the left or right side of the occult.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/2o5.htm
Listen to the explanation given by a radical feminist, Barbara Walker, in her occult book, Now Is The Dawning , p. 281. Egyptians believed that the Phoenix was the representative of a god who "rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth ..."
Now I catch your drift
thank you for showing me
and I can postulate upon that premise now .
All of us are trying to rise from hells we have created
I believe that hell is here on earth
and that we receive consequences here for the choices we made previously and that these consequences are meant to be lessons
not punishments that we must rise above it all and stand in our own truths
Previously , I had thought you might have meant that my group had been deluded and was conspiring with Satan .
But now i see a new parallel and understand more about the nature of the phoenix
Thanks pod_3 for taking the time to explain your analogy to me .
Om Shanti
Quote from: pod_3"He shall honour the God of forces: a god whom his
fathers knew not"... he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws Dan:7:25;11:38
Albert Pike, in Magnum Opus, writes, "... the Eagle was the living Symbol of Egyptian God Mendes ... and the representative of the Sun ..."
By my understanding, the devil has Pan-like overtones, and is hermaphroditic in nature. Besides being the light-bearer (Lucifer), he is also the light wielder (Satan.)
Repeatedly in the Bible, other fallen angels are referred to as birds. Notice than each head of this Satanic bird points to either the left or right side of the occult.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/symbology/2o5.htm
Listen to the explanation given by a radical feminist, Barbara Walker, in her occult book, Now Is The Dawning , p. 281. Egyptians believed that the Phoenix was the representative of a god who "rose to heaven in the form of a morning star, like Lucifer, after his fire-immolation of death and rebirth ..."
Assuming that your study was not Bible based, I did not believe the claim of colaboration with Satan to be offensive. Didn't Bailey herself found the Lucifer Trust? It is my stance that you were mostly knowlegeable about your participation and merely disagreed with Christianity about the outcome.
QuoteAll of us are trying to rise from hells we have created
I believe that hell is here on earth
and that we receive consequences here for the choices we made previously and that these consequences are meant to be lessons
not punishments that we must rise above it all and stand in our own truths
It is possible most of what you are saying could be happening on the physical plane if you consider that there is a god of forces. It sounds to me as though you're talking about trading the Satanic(Devil) aspect and for the Luciferian(angel of light).
I see what you want to say pod_3, Alice Bailey was the one that mostly made up what has now changed to ''Lucis Trust'' instead of the previous ''full name'' (for apparent reason, of course).
Just thought that Lucifer worship was an open secret among "Aquarians". Not trying to be offensive to them at all. Most are ostensibly trying to eradicate human evils, and it will become progressivley popular to be proud of the this, shortly, as all of society itself has reached the proper level of initiation through the unfolding of world events.
nope
you are just pulling legs here right ??
i dont worship lucifer and neither do my mates in our spiritual development circle
in fact it seems intolerant and offensive to be maligned in this manner .
Quote from: pod_3Just thought that Lucifer worship was an open secret among "Aquarians". Not trying to be offensive to them at all. Most are ostensibly trying to eradicate human evils, and it will become progressivley popular to be proud of the this, shortly, as all of society itself has reached the proper level of initiation through the unfolding of world events.
I do pray
and i do worship
I love Jesus , God , Mary and the angels and saints
I believe in the buddhist consciousness and I love Quan Yen too
i meditate with my mates
we go to spiritual realms
and speak with mahatma which are spiritual teachers .
Alchemy has all to do with trying to make the body less physical
less lead and heavy
more gold
more light
and nothing to do with lucifer worship
but i think both of you know that already
............and have too much time on your hands ...
Quote from: patapoufI see what you want to say pod_3, Alice Bailey was the one that mostly made up what has now changed to ''Lucis Trust'' instead of the previous ''full name'' (for apparent reason, of course).
Interesting words. Hummm Alice Bailey can be understood in more that one way; I'm talking about the books of the Tibetan written by Alice Bailey. They require the understanding of a Mason.
I'd like to read what's your view about her books, I mean, how do think they fit in daily life.
Remember that Lucifer is an angel of light, god of forces, lord of the world, directing eye, god of will. I am suggesting that you worship Lucifer, not his darker, Satanic counterpart - the other head with the leaden foot on the
same eagle.
Seriously- The Lucis Trust has spent 50 years at the United Nations Plaza and is now based at 120 Wall Street. It has consulted dozens of top companies, including Coca Cola. In spite of conspiratorial allegations, it wasn't really a secret. Non-evangelicals never really cared that your most well known predecessors in this symbolism were open Satanists, but we can call them Luciferians if you like the sound of that better. Sorry, but even a petty LaVeyan can tell that the difference is nominal.
Quotehttp://ibe.blogspot.com/2004_12_12_ibe_archive.html
the Lucis Trust. They are a messianic organization that preaches respect of all people and cultures. They see a commonality in figures such as Christ and the Buddha. And they believe that the coming of the Avatar will be for all humanity, not just Christians. Also they are critical of Christian missionaries more concerned with nominal converts than spiritual converts. The group has sort of an ecumenical, One Religion kind of overtone. So you can see why our author found this relevant.
Additionally, and more damning, the Lucis Trust is listed as having ECOSOC Roster Consultative Status. The ECOSOC is responsible for promoting higher standards of living, full employment, and economic and social progress; identifying solutions to international economic, social and health problems; facilitating international cultural and educational cooperation; and encouraging universal respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. ECOSOC's purview extends to over 70 per cent of the human and financial resources of the entire UN system. (Text from the ECOSOC site.)
It turns out that any NGO in existence for at least two years and doing work related to this broad mandate can apply for this status. There are hundreds of them. Roster Status is a catch-all for NGOs that are not large and have no particular technical expertise.
Here's the kicker. Still in regards to the Lucis Trust:
Intimately linked to the organization are former American president, Jimmy Carter; former German chancellor, Helmut Schmidt; former English prime minister, Lord Callaghan of Cardiff; former United States secretary of defense and retired president of the World Bank, Robert McNamara; and many others of similar standing throughout the world.
The Lucis Trust posted on their web site a copy of a statement on human responsibilities written by the completely unrelated InterAction Council. That document was endorsed by all of the above.
We conclude: (emphasis added)
But, mixed in among the outrageous and thoroughly unbelievable, there are a few nuggets of truth that deserve greater scrutiny. One of them is the fact that an organization founded by an occult teacher of esoteric philosophy that advocates the formation of one world religion, and seems to have a particular distaste for Christians, has connections with the elite in every human discipline. You may not take Lucis Trust seriously; but the United Nations and world leaders do. The question is why.
redcatherine wrote:
Quoteand nothing to do with lucifer worship
but i think both of you know that already
............and have too much time on your hands ...
I didn't say I was associating you to lucifer worshiping! I only said I knew about what pod_3 was stating because I heard about that stuff. Please do not take it this way and I'm sorry if I have offended you.
Take care,
Quotepatapouf-"I didn't say I was associating you to lucifer worshiping! I only said I knew about what pod_3 was stating because I heard about that stuff. Please do not take it this way and I'm sorry if I have offended you. "Take care,
No worries thanks for your words
Peace
Quote from: pod_3I am suggesting that you worship Lucifer .Seriously-
Pod Initially I felt that you were deluded and I wanted to caution you not to frighten serious seekers away from a path to the Godhead .
I wrote ..."All paths lead to God . Open your heart and your mind . By casting fear and negativity you dissuade people from finding God within their hearts and they may fall from their own path within ... is that your motive ? Would you have me stop talking to angels and start hating mistrusting and dividing instead . It is by unity that humanity will shine by reaching out to unite not to divide . It is time to stop seeing the "us" from the "them ". We are all one .
Quote...the Lucis Trust. ...an organization that preaches respect of all people and cultures.
"nothing to live or die for a brotherhood of man" ....Imagine ??
QuoteThey see a commonality in figures such as Christ and the Buddha.
Do you suppose differently ? Do you think that Buddha is not a valid path to God ?
But soon I found myself unable to tolerate the views you quoted and presented . And I reverted to my own base nature and began to sarcastically editorialize .
QuoteThe group has sort of an ecumenical, One Religion kind of overtone. So you can see why our author found this relevant.
Gee Imagine that one religion too . You mean a world where all paths are tolerated and people don't kill each other over religion ? What would happen no crusades ... no inquisition... no holocaust ... no ghettos... no religious riots .. no religious persecution ... no open genocide of Jews or Catholics or Gyspys ? Gee who would want that to happen ?
QuoteIntimately linked to the organization are former American president, Jimmy Carter;
Gawd no you mean tha crazy hick who built houses for the homeless and went to volunteer with his wife at soup kitchens instead of having a state dinner at the White House ? That man must be in line with Satan . Carter should have been more like Clinton . A good president smokes mull , cheats on his wife with teenagers, marries a gay rights militant for money and power and makes abortion of infants that could survive prematurely legal at 6 months gestation . I see what you mean .Old Jimbo was the devil's boy and Bill has earned his wings as a redneck prejudice self serving corrupt man of God .
But as I read on I became suspicious that your sole motive was to be argumentative instead . I read many of your posts and came to the conclusion that your experience and perspective was not characteristic of this Fundamentalist Christian point of View you purported in this post and that you were actually wasting my time and the time of all serious readers of this thread .
Quotean organization founded by an occult teacher of esoteric philosophy that advocates the formation of one world religion, and seems to have a particular distaste for Christians
She is a Christian . She wrote about her love of Christ and taught people how to go to heaven to see him , to visit spiritual realms , how to pray , how to meditate and how to open your heart to love all and be tolerant of all . She made her descendants give away her books for free .
I became angry with your hypocrisy and wrote :"If you would preach true Christianity , go out and serve and do God's work by teaching love and tolerance . Help the poor and the suffering . Don't presume to tell me I worship Lucifer and Satan and that I am deluded about my path's nature .
Was I serving Satan when I volunteered at Clinics for the poor
or when I worked in the homeless shelters ?
When I read the Bible over and over again was i deluded then ?
Was I worshiping Lucifer when I took Bible study courses
and volunteered at Bible Summer Camp ?
Was I serving Satan when I got a degree in Special Ed and began to teach the blind deaf and wheelchair bound children ?
How about when I taught crippled children how to swim
or when I volunteered on the fire department
and taught first aid and CPR for free ?
or when i adopted two special needs children ?
I have studied the Koran , the Holy Bible , the Torah ,
the Kaballah the Bahagad Vita et al .
What have you studied ? What have you read ?
I studied Religion at Notre Dame University .
I have 7 years of university training .I am not perfect .
I am not enlightened , I am a fool still but so are you .
I am still not certain of your motivation . If it is to merely argue than do it well and not immaturely spontaneously and for your mental self pleasuring in a method that is neither substantiated nor well researched . A foolish game such as that could well change the minds of a serious seeker who leaves a path out of fear that you created in their heart . That would be a selfish ill begotten game to be sure .
And If your motive was to dissuade one from a path of light out of your own fear then open your own mind and heart :
FEAR is False Evidence Assumed as Real
Have FAITH not FEAR
fear brings negativity into your life
And if you are as I now believe you to be an atheist and you merely wanted to deride me for having any love of God at all than I do feel sorry for you and I will pray that you may get an epiphany and move from your unaware state to a point where you might rationally consider the universality and duality of the Godhead and the merit and purpose of spiritual development .
Whatever your motivation was , your words are ill-served and perceived as malicious and as such unnecessary .
have love and peace for all you meet
everyone on your path is your student
and your teacher
Om Shanti
Hey everyone :)
I just wanna say that i take some understanding in this but not fully.
Right now some of this seems a little over worker. Don´t get me wrong. I wanna learn as much as i can about alchemy but i don´t wanna get it all direct advance. Is not alchemy about the universal language that everyone speaks is it not about the teaching about the elements. Is it not the Great work? I just want to know because all i see right now is parted opinions from most people. I know there is a symbolic language in alchemy that you learn if you are not full of greed. But can anyone tell me where to begin with all this. All i have read so far has been history in alchemy and no real teaching :S. So all this about lions and dragons and going on astral trips to outside of the universe is this what alchemy is? Or how do you define alchemy? Right now i define it as a teaching about the universal language and a teaching about a linking the astral or "spiritual realms" with the physical and a teaching about self higher development and energy bodys development "generally a teaching about the wisdom of the universe and God"
(sorry in advance if this does not make any sense)
May the love be with you
"Good Idea O Lord , Of Course it's a Good Idea !"-Monty Python
Suppose I write you our recipe ? It is not the only recipe to bake a cake but it worked for my group . So a modification of it and adding your own special spices should allow it to work for yourself .
Overview :
Absolute Prerequisite SKills : Clairvoyance and Projection ,
Also Desirable Prerequisite Skills : Clairaudience and Bilocation
Gather 5 to 9 kindred souls - close the circle for one year
meet 90 minutes per week
sit for free as peers this is not a beginner circle
same time , same place , same channel
730 pm -small room-same armchair in same orientation
see the lines between you as blue magnetic and strong
if they are not there rebalance the circle
sitting in the energy of a colour helps
identify the colour of each member sit in rainbow order
opposite of each other red-green , purple -yellow , blue- orange
Open with prayer -holding hands right palm up , left palm down
around a round table with a candle in dimly lit room
skip the music
wait with an open mind and heart and soul
sit and give off aloud what each sees and hears
understand and confirm and uplift each other
go into the merkaba and the vortex to the spiritual realms
write a journal after each lesson - you will want to refer back to this often
00.
To develop the prerequisite skills is possible for anyone :
sit in personal meditation daily 15 minutes
sit in an open circle learning about energy for a few years
develop your energy body to be able to project -practice !
examine your dreams know yourself well
meet your guides and know your guardian angel
offer service by service we grow and shine
spiritual :healing , mediumship , psychic reading , dream analysis ,
physical : good works, charity , volunteer time in community
serve free of charge , regularly and often
01.
Our Path thru Alchemy began on the Universal Path of Initiations
Open to all regardless of Gender , Race or Religious affiliation
but don't sit with peers that are in radical opposition to each other
you require harmony and a smooth blend of energies not values
the first initiation in spirit is taken in the Kings Chamber in the Spiritual Great Pyramid which we access through projection .
to go together use a group merkaba
manifest it like this : Heavenly Spirit we are gathered here together to take one step forward on the spiritual path . We sit perfectly protected a ring of gold round our circle a cross of white light on every window and door ( you may choose to add fireplace , computer , mirrors ). Light before us light behind us light under our feet light above us light within us let all around us be light .We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Metatron to manifest for us a group merkaba and ask him to cover it with his platinum net of protection now . We humbly invoke the presence of Archangel Michael and thank him for his protection on our spiritual journey tonight . We ask to be led to the Spiritual realm of the Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid so that we may take our first initiation in spirit .
You will see Horus appear and ask you a question about love and light .
He will offer you a rod.You will be asked to blow off the capstone of the pyramid symbolically and spiritually to visualize it unhinging and opening to let you pass thru spiritually.You will rise thru it to the night sky to commune with your guide for a private meditation within the group time then you come back to the body give off what you saw and heard and close in prayer write your journal. This is called the 5th initiation by Alice Bailey and Dr. Joshua David Stone . The first four are reckoned to be physical ones such as from birth to the accepting of a path .
Now skipping along a bit We had the Alchemist portion of this path presented to us by spirit after we completed levels of initiation called
Snake :Ascension and Avatar
Dove : 4 animals of the Sphinx
Dragon : Forming the Vortex , Tarot Symbolism , Hermetic Magician , Christian Gnosticism ,Spiritual Temples of Earth, Window on the Edge of Universe
Hercules : willing a Magnetic or Electric Merkaba , Alchemist Great Work , Beyond the Great Work to the new sphinx
Each group of 7 initiations makes a stage
there are 4 stages per level
and we have met 4 levels so far
the path of enlightenment is ongoing we have only gone to 127 now
the alchemist began at the end of the 100th initiation
we meet 3 times a week
there is a great quickening now preceding this next shift
so you would move faster than we did through this process
I am making the steps 1 to 100 online on my Aunt Clair site
slowly that is
I starting writing them on this forum too
but a moderator
believed it to be spamming
and deleted many of the steps that i posted
so suppose you tell me where you are at
let me offer you a spiritual reading -free in my chat room
and then I can better tell you where to begin for yourself
we have had people join us at 12th , 25th and 50th initiation
so yes it is possible to skip ahead
but so much more fun to read the whole book
This was just a broad overview including the prerequisites and the first initiation in spirit but if you want specific answers ask and I will do my best .
And if the forum would like to see the 100 steps to the alchemist
i am most happy to do offer them here one at a time
our journey will be similar to your own but not the same
we are all one universal mind
Quote from: AstralSailorHey everyone :) Is not alchemy about the universal language that everyone speaks is it not about the teaching about the elements. Is it not the Great work?
YES :)
QuoteI know there is a symbolic language in alchemy that you learn if you are not full of greed.
well actually replace greed with ego and negativity but YES you are right on that account too
QuoteBut can anyone tell me where to begin with all this.
YES ask a specific question I can and so can many online here
QuoteAll i have read so far has been history in alchemy and no real teaching :S.
Yeah you are right and that is because I and my mates were just going thru it ourselves when i posted this thread and we were looking for confirmation and answers at that time and not teaching what we did not understand ourselves .
But that does not mean I can not help you
or
that I wont but understand how to begin to help you
only
we just moved through that stage of the Alchemist ourselves .
So I have not metasyntesized it enough to be a teacher of it , ok ?
Mate we were students lost in the sauce ourselves
and we have just come thru that window
so yes i can help but let me share and learn what you already know
so I don't bore you to tears
and I don't speak above your head either .
I am not a teacher of this YET . I am a student like you , a seeker .
I am just a "been there done that going beyond that now" person
and I would love to understand more of it myself .
SO...oh
by helping you out
I might learn to know a little bit more about this experience myself
and I can teach it better to others .
QuoteSo all this about lions and dragons and going on astral trips to outside of the universe is this what alchemy is?
Yes this is an integral part of spirtual alchemy .
QuoteOr how do you define alchemy?
Just as you do bringing the lead and negative issues of the soul to transform to gold of enlightenment
at the end of the alchemist stage you will not be enlightened
but you will be on the way a little further
you will be ready to accept the opening of the nadis on the
Throne of God as they are mapped out in the human energy body
this opening of the nadis will allow
more light of the universe
more living light
and the living word and wisdom and healing
to be imbibed by your essence
so think of it as an opening up
and not the end all be all
it is not that
it is worthy
it is all you seek
and it is an ongoing process
and not the attainment itself of enlightenment .
QuoteRight now i define it as a teaching about the universal language and a teaching about a linking the astral or "spiritual realms" with the physical and a teaching about self higher development and energy body's development "generally a teaching about the wisdom of the universe and God"(sorry in advance if this does not make any sense)
May the love be with you
Actually it makes perfect sense to me .
Please form your questions
ask them
tell what you already can do and know
or let me see you in chat room
and I can read that from you
and tell you what you retain
and what you have integrated
and then you can determine
how much you want to learn
and where you want to begin
at the beginning ??
or somewhere in between