The 'main' 4 focuses

[anxhelino1234]

So just to clarify what i've read in franks forum ,or what you would call it, there are basically 4 main types of focuses (not including Monroes type of focuses which are like 27 i think )


So, here i go(summing it all up);

Focus1:
This is basically the focus that we are currently in,what we see,touch feel etc..

Focus2:
This is the focus we 'shift ' to when we dream or some people might call it sub-conciousness

Focus3:
this is the focus we eventually go to when we die,here we experience what we 'think' will happen when we die e.g.: if you think you go to hell that's what you'll experience, or if you think you go to heaven that's where you are going to go. Or (i didn't get this part much) you will be punished if you have been doing something horrible when you were 'alive' for example: if you stabbed people to death frequently, that's what you experienced in F3 until you realise its bad and you become a 'better' person, but if you lived a good, steady and kind life then you will go to a more civilised place that you will be treated more like a 'human being'

Focus 4:
This one i didn't too many things about it but ill explain it my best. This is the focus you shift onto after focus 3, somehow, and some people can shift on to it on demand (Monroes students or some people like that). here basically its like a big network of 'spirits' lets call them, where you can basically connect to through feelings and thoughts with the other 'spirits'. And this is where your thoughts and ideas come from

Anyone who knows more about this, can please you explain what parts i didn't get, which i am pretty sure there are plenty.


Thanks!

Anxhelino1234

[blis]

I gave up trying to understand/remember all the different focus level.

I dont think you get punished for anything though unless you expect to get punished. It's like you're punishing youself.

It makes me wonder what would happen to a true psychopath. They could have spent their life causing lots of pain and doing truly horrible things but not even realising it was wrong. Where would they go in the afterlife? Would like attracts like take them to somewhere full of psychopaths? Would they be cured of their illness upon leaving the physical and be able to fit in with the 'normal' people.

And what about some unremorseful sadist who's learnt to astral project? Upon death would he be able to go about trying to torture the rest of us or would he be bound to some realm full of sadists?

Oops, I've gone kind of off topic. Sorry.

[Xanth]

I gave up trying to understand/remember all the different focus level.

They're actually quite easy to figure out... anx provided some good basic definitions, almost. 

I dont think you get punished for anything though unless you expect to get punished. It's like you're punishing youself.

That is what I see happening as well.

It makes me wonder what would happen to a true psychopath. They could have spent their life causing lots of pain and doing truly horrible things but not even realising it was wrong. Where would they go in the afterlife? Would like attracts like take them to somewhere full of psychopaths? Would they be cured of their illness upon leaving the physical and be able to fit in with the 'normal' people.

A TRUE psychopath...
Well, upon death, they'd probably not realize they're dead and would continue believing that their "psycho" nature was real.
Meanwhile, the truth being that they're now creating this reality for themselves and it would only be until they realize this that they would be free from that nature.

And what about some unremorseful sadist who's learnt to astral project? Upon death would he be able to go about trying to torture the rest of us or would he be bound to some realm full of sadists?

Same delio...

"unremorseful sadist"
"psychopath"

These are HUMAN CONDITIONS... they do not exist in the non-physical outside of believing they apply to us.

Once you die, you no longer have to suffer from "physical" ailments.  The only people who do, expect to... so they will.

Oops, I've gone kind of off topic. Sorry.

Bah, it's a good question. 

[Pauli2]

There is one more Frank Focus.

F Z, Focus Zero, Monroes Focus 21, the Focus beyond F 2, perhaps F Z is a branch and F 3 oC is another branch?

[Xanth]

I don't think Frank ever really considered it part of the MAIN four focuses.
Mostly because it was considered a barrier or border of sorts.

Something that separated the personal/individual area from the collective whole.

I could be wrong, but meh...   LOL

[Pauli2]

I don't think Frank ever really considered it part of the MAIN four focuses.

Perhaps not one of the main four HUMAN focuses. Considering the fact that Monroe people uses the concept ELS, where F 1 oC, F2 oC and F 3 oC all reside within ELS, I would say that F Zero is either a focus of its own or a gateway focus to other Focuses oC which are "non-human" or at least non-ELS in nature.

This ELS concept creates one problem as F Zero and F 4 both are outside ELS and thus Frank might regard them as "beyond" F 1-3 oC? The TMI focuses beyond ELS that I know of are:

Focus 33 - Creation, landscape, void, unknown?
Focus 34 - Before the Gathering, about year 3500
Focus 35 - After the Gathering, about year 3500
Focus 42 - I-There
Focus 49 - Sea (Disk?) of I-Theres.


Then there are unknown (?) Monroe Focuses like:

RTZ (yes, the RTZ doesn't seem to have a Monroe Focus!?)
KT-95
Locale III
The Emitter
The Aperture
Beyond the Aperture
The Creator

[Xanth]

ELS?

[blis]

ELS?

I'm guessing Earth Life System

[Pauli2]

Frank also talks about Extra-Dimensional Focuses, meaning focuses that are either parallel to his 5 Focuses oC, or above (at the slanted?) side of Frank's Focuses.

Frank also writes that he wonders where Monroe was sometimes, as it clearly wasn't any of the 5 Focuses oC:

From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes

If he were trying to enter another dimension totally, i.e. another system, then that is just incredible. That is not Focus 3, 4 or 5, that is just completely into the unknown...

I just wonder what on earth he found and what secrets there are still to be unlocked from Monroe.

[Xanth]

Frank spoke about the multi-dimensional nature of Focuses 1 - 3... and how there was one Focus 4, yet, under that umbrella there was MANY (or an infinite) Focus 1's... each with their associated Focus 2 and 3.

[Pauli2]

From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes. He was way out, but not in Focus 4 terms. There was something else. Seriously, I reckon he was about to attempt to step into *another* system of consciousness from Focus 3: entering into an 'Extra-Dimensional' state that is outside of our F1 to F4 system completely...

[anxhelino1234]

so i basically got the general idea of the 4 focuses right?

[Xanth]

so i basically got the general idea of the 4 focuses right?

I dunno, you tell us.