Is earth the ultimate challenge for spirit beings?

[jamie6747]

I was watching Dolores Cannon on youtube and she makes some great points, according to Dolores Cannon before we come to earth we have to plan a life, this plan will include certain roles for family members such as the parents, who are already on earth and have planned well in advance for your arrival, the choice to be a man or a woman is for you to decide, once the plan has been finalized and everyone has come to an agreement you then start your journey to earth.



And when you finish your life on earth and return to the other side you undergo a life review and you judge yourself based on your actions here on earth.

so do you guys agree with this theory? if so how can we expand it with our knowledge and understanding of the subject?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-lPoF90GU
Dolores Cannon at the 2011 Ozark Mountain Transformation Conference - Entire Lecture

[Xanth]

It's all a bit too "neat" and "organized" for my tastes.  While we COULD have a very loose, general plan for what we want to achieve here... the ultimate goal is Spiritual Growth, by becoming closer to Love. 

This physical reality we currently find ourselves a part of is simply one of an infinite number of realities "out there".  The Earth doesn't seem to be special in this regards.

A physical reality provides constraints for our consciousness in order to learn to grow.  It provides risks which allows us to make choices to become a more spiritually advanced consciousness.  All that really means is that you move towards Love (away from Fear) and do what I call "purify our Intent".  When you purify your Intent, all choices you make are Love based ones not because it's the right thing to do, but because that's just how you react to situations.

[Bluefirephoenix]

I don't think it works quite like that. For one thing it's describing life a sequential time event and time doesn't really exist. We exist in multiple realities in an instant, most of those realities are non phyisical.

The goal of experience is to become loving, as Xanth, said. In increasing that spiritual unity through experiences we grow and build our natures. If we grow away from unity we deteriorate.... I'm oversimplifying it, but you get the idea. Here we have to focus on one thing and one thing at a time.  We decide what we do and how long we do it.

So for you perhaps this is the ultimate experience. For others it's just a test to see if it helps you towards your goals.  I think the earth experience is to understand what separation is so that we can learn what love and unity is by experiencing its opposite fear and separation. Then we grow by changing that energy and making separation and fear grow into unity and love.


That's just one example. Everyone grows differently and everyone has their own goals and needs

[Lumaza]

 We have come to this reality to experience. The good, the bad, the ugly, those are all experiences. Of course Love is a experience too, but I personally think people get caught up on this "Love is our only purpose" conversation a bit too much.

When you begin to learn more in depth about Astral Projection, you will see that it is based solely on experiencing as well. You are constantly put through trials, tests and quests that drive that point home.

This is my personal view on this subject and has been shown to me to be correct.

Dolores Cannon was a incredible lady. She kept teaching all the way to her death or transition as I prefer to call it. She gave many people hope. She also answered many questions that others wouldn't. She "heard the call" and helped other's that heard it as well.

That last statement would only be understood by people that knew her work. 

[Stillwater]

Think about how in history humans have had the tendency to declare their domain the center of the universe. The Chinese called their land the "Middle Kingdom". Humans from the Egyptians up through the Renaissance called the earth the center of the universe... only to find that not only did the earth in fact revolve around the sun instead, the solar system itself doesn't seem intrinsically special among star systems.

This doesn't seem that different. This physical universe alone is a dazzlingly massive place. Doesn't it seem a bit grandiose to suggest that the human perspective is the most important thing in it? Especially as a human, lol...

I have no conclusive evidence to say what purpose our existence here even serves in the greater scheme. I have my own ideas, but nothing to support them other than speculation. For what it is worth, Lumaza's conception of things here is what I most gravitate toward in that regard.

[Kzaal]

We have come to this reality to experience. The good, the bad, the ugly, those are all experiences. Of course Love is a experience too, but I personally think people get caught up on this "Love is our only purpose" conversation a bit too much.

When you begin to learn more in depth about Astral Projection, you will see that it is based solely on experiencing as well. You are constantly put through trials, tests and quests that drive that point home.

This is my personal view on this subject and has been shown to me to be correct.

Dolores Cannon was a incredible lady. She kept teaching all the way to her death or transition as I prefer to call it. She gave many people hope. She also answered many questions that others wouldn't. She "heard the call" and helped other's that heard it as well.

That last statement would only be understood by people that knew her work.  

I'm kinda on the side of Xanth here for the part where he said that nothing is that precise as choosing your parents and everything else but I'm on the side of Lumaza to say that it's not all about Love, in our society nothing works like that. You can have loving thoughts for everyone "Hope" for things to get better for them but you'd pretty much be an awkward person if you walked in the streets telling everyone you love them.

Learning to do the things because it's the right thing to do means everything. "It's the right thing to do". Even having loving thoughts in certain matters will make you have weird thoughts, try loving a murderer, everyone knows that if a girl go and marry a prisoner she'll have a pretty bad social reputation and probably has some really bad education...

I think loving is a good thing don't get me wrong, as long as it's meant to help. Doing light works, being helpful to people in REAL need.
Our society has evolved from the time where "love" wasn't awkward. There's a lot of things that we can't do anymore without being socially awkward, even annoying.

In my opinion as long as someone knows what's right from what's wrong he'll defend people who are in need. (ex: People being bullied, etc.)
Like you said Lumaza, we're all here to experience as much as we can on both sides. We can clearly see the difference between the good and the bad.
When it's pleasant we would like it to never stop, when it's awful/horrible we don't want it to continue. We all know how to differentiate both sides...
In my opinion we have to learn to stay on the pleasant side.
And not only that but when you'll ascend to a "higher tier" of evolution, you'll have to do things in order to keep the balance, both in our physical world and the other one.
I don't like to think someone who ascend and is only a Loving person who didn't learn to do the right things at the right time could be in function of important tasks like those. Some times loving person create more problems than someone who knows what to do.
The reason is because someone who only loves will make mistakes, there are steps to learn before doing tasks like those.
There's a difference between unconditional love and controlled love.
Someone who has no control on something will make bad decisions.

We are here to learn how to control ourselves first, learn to control our feelings and learn to control situations.
We are all young and in the earliest phase of our spiritual evolution. We do not know what's ahead.
We have to crawl before we start walking. We have to learn to control ourself before we start loving endlessly.

If you're ascended and you have to be in perfect control of a situation or a "task" given to you by a higher entity, you have to know what to do and how to do it.
Even as you ascend, I'm sure we'll all have a "training" period (it could take millenniums to be ready for your first assignment for all we know).

Something else I wanted to say... You will know when you are ready to do these things, you will understand everything that you've done had a very specific purpose.

That's my point of view at least and I know that if you're not ready you will need to further your education/development on the spiritual matter, in this life or the one after.

Edit: I don't think Earth is the Ultimate destination for spiritual progression or anything because spiritual progression has nothing to do with the place where you are. Since spiritual progression is a personal matter, whether you'd be on Mars or on a distant galaxy on an unknown planet you'd still have the same circumstances and problem solving to do there.

Earth is not special or any different than other existing Exoplanets whether spiritually or geologically. Maybe different on the population statistic but we can't prove that in any way so far.

[Xanth]

Kzaal,
Your idea of "Love everyone" is very emotional and physical based.  That's why you're confused. 

In practice of what I'm talking about, the rest of your post actually describes "moving closer to Love" very well.

[Kzaal]

Kzaal,
Your idea of "Love everyone" is very emotional and physical based.  That's why you're confused. 

In practice of what I'm talking about, the rest of your post actually describes "moving closer to Love" very well.

I'm not really confused, there's just not enough description about what kind of love we're talking about here. And what kind of love you describe in your posts.
I do agree that the ultimate purpose is to love, I understand love in a manner that parents love their children unconditionally, that God (or whatever that source is) is loving us unconditionally. I understand the love I can have for a person I am in relationship with. I understand the concept of what love is.
I just don't understand how you can just "love" and all of a sudden be away from all problems and real world situations (<- Not really sure if I meant that).
In a context where you are permanently in the astral that would make a lot of sense. But here where a lot of people you'll cross will be mean to others the only thing I can do is hope for the best for them, which is in some kind of way giving loving thoughts to them.
I do understand that people can change but I wouldn't love someone if they did something very wrong. Even in the astral, if someone I'm taking care of is mean to everyone, I'm not gonna be happy about it, I'll just try to be as much indifferent as possible without crossing the line and going overboard by starting to hate them.
Because I just don't know... Astral and Physical are completely different in the matter of materialism and ego.
In the astral you don't have to think about any material problems, you forge it with your willpower and your focus.
Love is something you can really focus on. Here it's more complicated (to me at least).

Please explain Xanth, I can't understand the concept. Altho I'm very aware of the power of love, and that I do believe it's the best way to evolve spiritually, I just can't see the lines and or how it works in this situation. Give us some examples, I would really appreciate. Can you give us some differences between astral love and physical love?

I'm trying to ask the right questions here lol XD.

[daseeker]

In answer to the OP's initial question, In my own experience NO! Earth is not the ultimate place. Each lifeform no matter what it is or where has it's own way to teach us something.
No place is THE PLACE because we learn from all places.

Secondly, Love to me is the acceptance of a person,place, or thing as it is not as we want it to be. This also means that one accepts that this person,place, or thing can change. In the case of a person it's a choice matter by that person & this may or may not be to one's liking,(e.g. a person's politics) Places & things can be changed as we change or not. For instance repainting a room or getting a computer or smartphone update. These also may or may not be to one's liking.
In which event if the level of one's acceptance reaches shall we say a tipping point one loves or ceases to love that person,place, or thing. This is the emotional aspect of love which is why it's simultaneously strong & fragile.

@kzall,

I think if you reread what you wrote in #5 especially this part

We are here to learn how to control ourselves first, learn to control our feelings and learn to control situations.
We are all young and in the earliest phase of our spiritual evolution. We do not know what's ahead.
We have to crawl before we start walking. We have to learn to control ourself before we start loving endlessly.

If you're ascended and you have to be in perfect control of a situation or a "task" given to you by a higher entity, you have to know what to do and how to do it.
Even as you ascend, I'm sure we'll all have a "training" period (it could take millenniums to be ready for your first assignment for all we know).

Something else I wanted to say... You will know when you are ready to do these things, you will understand everything that you've done had a very specific purpose.

That's my point of view at least and I know that if you're not ready you will need to further your education/development on the spiritual matter, in this life or the one after.

you may find the answer to your own question.

[jamie6747]

What stage do you guys think we are at in our spiritual journey? do you think earth and the physical is somewhere near the start of the journey? or maybe we where at a much higher density and decided to come to earth? I think earth has to be one of the most challenging places to live, maybe its seen as a large leap forward for your development if you choose to come here?

[Stillwater]

What stage do you guys think we are at in our spiritual journey? do you think earth and the physical is somewhere near the start of the journey? or maybe we where at a much higher density and decided to come to earth?

Too rigid, too Aristotelian.

I don't think it is all so structured like that, where it is like a video game, and this is level 4, or 22, or what have you. We are all here... and we may be here for different reasons too. I suspect most of us are here to have experiences for the sake of experiences themselves. Reading more into it, such as that we are on a journey to become better, or more advanced, etc, I think is human thinking trying to apply the hierarchies we see in human society and experience onto reality.

I think we simply don't have the perspective from our current vantage to say what precisely this reality is for.

I think earth has to be one of the most challenging places to live, maybe its seen as a large leap forward for your development if you choose to come here?

Compared to what? Life on Andromeda Six? Existence as a gas cloud being living in a nebula? Or that time you were a geometric shape being in the flashy light plane?

Again, a perspective issue. Most of us don't have access to enough data about our other existences to put our earth experience somewhere on a peg against other existences. I am sure it is much more intense than some, and much tamer than others.

There is something in science called the "mediocrity principle", and it states that if you find one of something, there are probably more of them somewhere, and the one you found is not likely to be a particularly outstanding or unique example. It is generally applied to the earth and solar system, to inductively reason that there are probably many such systems, and I don't see why we shouldn't apply it to our current existence either, which there are probably countless, many of which are likely to be significantly more extreme.

[jamie6747]

Too rigid, too Aristotelian.

I don't think it is all so structured like that, where it is like a video game, and this is level 4, or 22, or what have you. We are all here... and we may be here for different reasons too. I suspect most of us are here to have experiences for the sake of experiences themselves. Reading more into it, such as that we are on a journey to become better, or more advanced, etc, I think is human thinking trying to apply the hierarchies we see in human society and experience onto reality.

I think we simply don't have the perspective from our current vantage to say what precisely this reality is for.
Compared to what? Life on Andromeda Six? Existence as a gas cloud being living in a nebula? Or that time you were a geometric shape being in the flashy light plane?

Again, a perspective issue. Most of us don't have access to enough data about our other existences to put our earth experience somewhere on a peg against other existences. I am sure it is much more intense than some, and much tamer than others.

There is something in science called the "mediocrity principle", and it states that if you find one of something, there are probably more of them somewhere, and the one you found is not likely to be a particularly outstanding or unique example. It is generally applied to the earth and solar system, to inductively reason that there are probably many such systems, and I don't see why we shouldn't apply it to our current existence either, which there are probably countless, many of which are likely to be significantly more extreme.

My idea come from this.


http://www.worlditc.org/h_07_meek_magic4.htm
From the website above.

Would you recommend that site?

[Stillwater]

I am honestly surprised that site still exists. Notice the last new material goes back to 2008-2009, and the design itself belongs to the early internet.

There were a lot of sites like it in the late 90's, when the internet began to widely become used to spread information about alternative metaphysics.

That particular one is concerned with "Instrumental transcommunication" (ITC), which you might know by the more common name "electronic voice phenomenon" (EVP).

The particular movement which emphasizes the value of EVP generally connects itself back to the 1800's spiritualist/theosophist movement. Much of the information there is straight out of that time period too, which should tell you it is pretty dated thinking.

The chart you see is the result of filtering 19th-century thought through the lens of the New Age movement revisited in the 90s. That should tell you all you need to know, but if you want it more plainly, that chart is worse than useless, because it is a claim to know the structure of the metaphysical world, which is utterly beyond human comprehension. Convincing yourself you have knowledge that you don't, as the chart makers did, leaves you worse than ignorant.   

Anyone who uses terms like "mental plane", "causal plane", "atmic", etc is parroting those mid-90's folks.

Any child can draw a treasure map.

Thomas Campbell, and William Buhlman are good sources of information, as they are relatively free of these types of silliness. After you have gone through the ideas of one of those folks, who have their heads on straightest, Robert Monroe's books might be interesting to you, and you might be in a better place to filter his assumptions by that point.

Hope that is helpful!