I was thinking today of how humans perceive themselves in relation to ETs and other beings.
I observe many people who are labeling themselves as spiritual to wanting to be from someplace else than Earth. They want to be ETs among humans. They want to believe they are something higher than humans. The reason I believe is because they have a sense of multiple life times and some connections are stronger. But on the other hand I am seeing an issue where they place hierarchy where they perceive superiority based on evolution, technological advancement, vibrational residency, etc. A lot of people are not proud to call themselves humans because they perceive humans as not much evolved and they wish they were something more superior. They wish to feel special, powerful by being somebody else. But not seeing everyone and everything as equal (from a higher perspective) they will not achieve fulfilment. If someone doesn't feel special or powerful is because they are not embracing their own uniqueness. Everyone is special, but just because everyone is special that doesn't negate specialness.
Many people also feel themselves to be something on the bottom chain among civilizations and when ETs establish open contact, these people will feel inferior and possibly afraid. And while this may appear normal for 3D characters the way the games are designed. The game also has a great test for them all to realize their own power and their own equality to everything.
I personally think that any ETs who in reality are more technologically and spiritually advanced than humans will be honored to have me or any humans as friends, because we were so brave to dare to enter the Earth school, where they may have chosen an easier way. We are very much respected and they will never make us feel inferior. Unless we chose to diminish ourselves or to treat others within our society that way and look down on them.
I am very proud to be a human at this time and admire my bravery to have come here and learn the hard way, moving by leaps and bounds. And you should be too. So, when you face ETs or any beings from any parts of the multiverse, know your place as equal. That's what they want you to realize and know. The One is the All, and the All are the One.
As long as I don't watch the news, I am proud to be a human.
Good reflection, LB, I really enjoyed it. I think there's a general consensus that associates the word or concept of 'extraterrestrial' with something 'superior.' But 'superior' is an arbitrary and subjective word, as it depends on the observer and their belief in what it means to be superior. Superiority is a subjective term. For some people, 'superior' might mean survival of the fittest, for others, being technologically more advanced, for others, having impeccable values or behavioral qualities, and for others, being more spiritual or connected to their consciousness. I believe that if some extraterrestrial feels superior to us because they're more technologically advanced, it means they still haven't mastered their ego, false personality, and sense of identification with matter, because in the realm of pure Consciousness, we're none of those things, and it's all an illusion. Because, as you say, we're all part of the same Consciousness, The One. We're all part of this great cosmic organism, and we fulfill a certain 'function'.
I don't see an ant as inferior to me, nor a leaf, nor a cloud. Because if we see them on a larger scale, we realize they're an integral part of the natural balance of the planet and a larger ecological system that makes life on Earth possible and rich in biodiversity, forming an ecosystem that's alive and intelligent in some way. The same thing happens with us on a consciousness level.
I think that despite the terrible things humanity does, they're not inherent to the human species, but rather due to ignorance and social conditioning. Since humans can achieve great things, they just need to develop their consciousness and spirituality more. I think we have all the tools to create a better world, the beauty and creative force I see in art is something that surprises me beyond imagination. The physical body holds many secrets, and among them, all the spiritual and psychic qualities in potential that we were never taught to develop. I think that if human consciousness develops and expands more, we could have an Earth comparable to that of many advanced planets. It would be my greatest dream to see that, but in this lifetime, I don't think it's possible.
I've also read in Dolores Cannon's books that not all planets inhabited by extraterrestrials are more advanced, on the contrary, they seem more terrible than Earth and a hell, and some planets were even destroyed due to their negligence, since not all ETs are more spiritually advanced. So, compared to that, Earth isn't so bad!
If I'm proud to be human, I don't know, I think I don't identify as human or anything else, because our pivotal state is pure Consciousness, and we've surely explored thousands of different life forms on this and other planets. I'm still confused about why I chose the 'human program' to explore, out of the millions and infinite possibilities that surely existed to choose from. I always joke with a friend that I must have been drunk lol. I still haven't seen my 'Big Picture,' but it's something I hope to discover in this life.
Thanks for this reflection!
♥
I'm actually with Tak - I don't really identify much anymore as "human". I'm consciousness first, everyone is really. That's how I try to view everything.
But yeah, if I was identifying as a human right now? I'd be quite ashamed of what we've become as a species... sadly.
The ego... the arrogance... the ignorance... the lack of empathy... the lack of compassion... yeah, I'd definitely be ashamed to be human right now. It hasn't always been like this though and it will get better eventually. I just hope I'm alive to see that day.
With the endless drive for power, money and resources (minerals, territory/land etc) and their ego driven need to "rule" or control people (their legacy) there is no room for empathy or compassion. What gets me is these troublemakers of the world are old and all they think about is the above at the expense of the masses. Hard to be proud of humanity at the moment, especially those humans that are so called leaders. I would much rather focus on consciousness, the metaphysical and the Divine.
I am proud of the humans that have learned/evolved to respect others, and treat others with compassion. Hard to respect the NPCs that go around indiscriminately hurting others. If that's their lesson, then it is what it is, but I want no part of "their" experience/learning process.
If more people asked more questions about life, life's purpose, its meaning and the afterlife, maybe many wouldn't be going down the rabbit hole. Instead many look life as "you go around once, it's here for the taking, grab what you can". Then they claim they are religious to boot. :-o
I am honored to have been born Human of Earth. Our tale is epic, our journey unique and this is only the beginning.
I am having fun studying Urantian cosmology and I asked AI to elaborate on some things after reading this thread...
QuoteThe Urantia Book presents Earth (Urantia) and its inhabitants as both unique and spiritually significant within the cosmic framework, though marked by challenges. Here are key points:
## **Unique Cosmic Status**
- **Planetary Challenges**: Urantia is described as "greatly retarded" in intellectual and spiritual progress compared to other inhabited worlds due to rebellions by spiritual supervisors (e.g., Lucifer and Caligastia) and the isolation caused by these events[5][1].
- **Divine Endowment**: Despite these setbacks, humans possess a **Thought Adjuster**—a fragment of God's spirit that guides individuals toward spiritual growth. This divine spark is a universal gift, but its activation depends on human free will[5][7].
## **Human Potential and Purpose**
- **Soul Development**: The soul, formed through the union of human will and the Adjuster, survives physical death and evolves into a morontia (spiritual) entity. This process positions humans as co-creators with the divine in their eternal journey[4][7].
- **Personality Uniqueness**: Human personality is a "cosmic endowment" that remains constant amid change, making each individual irreplaceable in the universe[2].
## **Historical and Spiritual Significance**
- **First Humans**: The first humans, Andon and Fonta, are portrayed as remarkable pioneers, establishing a lineage that carries forward the potential for spiritual evolution[8].
- **Revelatory Role**: Earth's history includes pivotal spiritual events, such as Jesus' life, which reconnected Urantia to the divine plan. The Urantia Book itself is framed as a fifth epochal revelation to expand cosmic consciousness[1][3].
## **Paradox of Imperfection and Destiny**
While Earth's history is marked by conflict and delay, humans are seen as part of a larger divine plan. The Adjuster's presence and the soul's capacity for growth suggest that Urantians are uniquely positioned to overcome their challenges and contribute to the universe's evolution[5][7].
In essence, The Urantia Book frames Earth as a rare and special world due to its complex history and the divine potential inherent in its inhabitants, despite their struggles.
Citations:
[1] https://urantiabook.org/Urantia-Meaning
[2] https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/topical-studies/personality/
[3] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-52-planetary-mortal-epochs
[4] https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/topical-studies/evolution/
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
[6] https://ruminations.blog/2020/01/22/theodicy-in-the-urantia-book/
[7] https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/topical-studies/human-nature/
[8] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-63-first-human-family
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QuoteThe Urantia Book portrays Earth (Urantia) as rare and spiritually significant primarily due to **Jesus' incarnation as Michael of Nebadon**, a divine Creator Son who chose this world for his final mortal bestowal mission. This event elevates Earth's cosmic status through several key themes:
## **Jesus as Michael of Nebadon**
- **Divine Incarnation**: Jesus is identified as Michael, a Creator Son of God who voluntarily incarnated as a mortal to fulfill his seventh and final bestowal mission[2][3][4]. This act of divine self-giving is unique to Urantia, as Michael's incarnation here addressed both local and cosmic spiritual challenges.
- **Cosmic Significance**: By living a fully human life while retaining divine consciousness, Jesus demonstrated the potential for mortal beings to achieve spiritual unity with God. His life served as a model for all inhabited worlds, showcasing how divine love and service can transform human experience[3][7].
## **Earth's Role in Cosmic Redemption**
- **Lucifer Rebellion**: Jesus' mission on Urantia helped resolve the aftermath of the Lucifer rebellion, a cosmic conflict that isolated Earth from divine communication for millennia[6]. His life and teachings reconnected Urantia to the divine plan, restoring spiritual light to the planet[3][6].
- **Revelatory Purpose**: The Urantia Book frames Jesus' life as a **fifth epochal revelation**, expanding cosmic consciousness and offering a universal spiritual blueprint. His teachings emphasized personal relationship with God over ritual, challenging rigid religious traditions[3][9][10].
## **Unique Aspects of Jesus' Mission**
- **Non-Atonement Crucifixion**: Unlike Christian doctrine, the Urantia Book rejects the idea of Jesus' death as a sacrificial atonement. Instead, his crucifixion is portrayed as a tragic outcome of human fear and misunderstanding, not a divine requirement[10].
- **Human-Divine Unity**: Jesus' dual nature (fully human and divine) exemplified the highest potential for mortal beings. His life demonstrated that humans can co-create with the divine through faith and service, making Earth a living laboratory for spiritual evolution[3][5][7].
## **Earth's Rarity in the Universe**
- **Pivotal Spiritual Event**: The Urantia Book suggests that Jesus' incarnation on Earth was a singular event in the universe, making Urantia a focal point for divine intervention. This act of divine condescension elevated Earth's status among inhabited worlds[2][3][10].
- **Legacy of Love**: Jesus' teachings of love, forgiveness, and selfless service are framed as a universal revelation, applicable to all beings. His presence on Earth introduced a transformative spiritual paradigm, positioning Urantia as a rare world where divine love was incarnated in human form[3][7][9].
In essence, the Urantia Book asserts that Earth's rarity stems from its role as the stage for Michael's incarnation, a cosmic event that redefined humanity's relationship with the divine and offered a path for spiritual liberation across the universe.
Citations:
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/comments/1dtwkfr/my_review_of_the_divine_revelation_the_urantia/
[2] https://urantia-en.utruth.org/about/who-is-jesus/
[3] https://urantiabook.org/The-Urantia-Book-Life-of-Jesus
[4] https://truthbook.com/frequently-asked-questions-faq/faqs-about-urantia-book/christians-ask-about-the-urantia-book/
[5] https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-129-later-adult-life-jesus
[6] https://forum.truthbook.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=5329
[7] https://urantiabook.org/insights/the-life-of-jesus
[8] https://www.reddit.com/r/Christian/comments/bbciul/the_book_of_urantia/
[9] https://truthbook.com/urantia-book/topical-studies/the-religion-of-jesus/
[10] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Urantia_Book
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A thousand years of human evolution is nothing. We are babies in the grand scheme of things. It is easy to be saddened by the state of affairs, old and new. It is something else entirely to act with compassion towards Life no matter its stage.
It wasn't too long ago we publicly tortured, enslaved and killed for entertainment. In lesser known avenues that still exist today. Thinking on our dark and recent past, the concept of a lucifer rebellion and quarantine from other worlds makes sense. We truly have had a dark past. Much darker or more common place I'd say compared to modern times. That does not undermine the corruption that still exist. But with the incarnation of a Creator son- the quarantine is lifted. I believe that to be the case too. More and more are coming in contact with galactic, celestial and spiritual helpers. And we still have so much more to overcome.
To think that I chose to be a part of this is actually an honor. I know it isn't always easy, but it's the experiential wisdom "of a lifetime." I can't speak for everyone, but I do think I chose to be a Earth-Male-Human. I believe Nature to be one of the wisest teachers, and I believe there is a unique contract between physical earth bodies and physical host planet.
I feel Blessed. Just today I had a very profound blending of inner-and-outter. It came as a teaching from an entity that resides in a greater plane than solely 3D awareness. I was a part of that something, and that something had an interest in my well being. I think many of us here have felt, in some fashion, Gods Love. So I think we can agree when I say God has an interest in each and every one of us. To think, as well, of the intelligent beings that take an interest in us humans make me think there is something special. It may mean recognizing something "more than human" but I think that belittles our ultimate destiny. I recognize the greater aspect to encompass even the dark and undesirable. To make a diamond, intense pressure is required. Great works of art have texture, various shades, etc. What is a masterpiece without light and shadow? To think we can forge ahead in our partnership with the Divine and engage the world in a like manner is a noble endeavor. It isn't always easy, it takes constant reframing and practice. Lastly, I think "human potential" has mysteries we've yet to uncover but will as a continued part of our evolution. Or, again, the word choice is that things will become common place. I believe we've had real examples of human beings, and human beings we've never heard of- who have exemplified this divine partnership and have truly glorified the expression of "HUMAN BEING." I also think there are those who've understood the deeper laws of nature, and through their human faculties, have demonstrated actions that we would otherwise call miraculous or magical.
Yes, I am proud to be a human. I feel we are at the dawning of a Golden Age.
I'm sorry, but how can we humans be dawning a Golden Age when they are turning countries into rubble with nearly a million dead in the Ukraine War and well over 45,000 dead in Gaza consisting of mostly woman and children? And for what? land, resources, minerals, the thrill of the conquer? Clearly a genocide attempt with the goal of a major land grab. Also Dictatorships are becoming popular by the masses who "like to be ruled" by a leader with an iron fist who now claims this type of leadership is "freedom". I hope humans turn things around, because if ETs landed and asked us to justify our actions it would be impossible.
I would love to pretend all this does not exist nor affects me, but unfortunately the scale of this insanity is so large that eventually it affects everyone.
Frosty, we all have our opinions. I never said war does not exist, and I never encouraged you to ignore atrocity. I have suggested that we are at the beginning stages of our evolution, and that- compared to our recent past(like the middle ages) the darkness that once covered our world has indeed lessened. Less common place. The truth is, you will find hardship wherever you go looking for it. And I have not said not to hurt. If you are hurting, that's OK. Yes. We are all connected, and this realization indeed marks the beginning of a Golden Age.
I am happy for it.
I am proud to be human. You may say you are not proud. You don't need to apologize to me for disagreeing.
After posting this I thought of the practitioners of falun gong, who were arrested for practicing meditation. I remember the account of a woman who so inspired others for the compassion she imbibed, even in the face of oppression. She was liberated, despite being imprisoned. And she chose compassion for others, despite all she has endured.
Yes, I feel the dawning of a golden age- even if that realization is a few hundred years from now. I feel it in my being, it is good- and I will choose to behave accordingly. In so doing, I am not ignoring what is brought to my attention. So let us pray the same for others, and maybe we can help bring about the change you seek.
I have Faith. I pray the same sense of Faith may grace you.
Tides, I am proud to be a human (as well). If the world comprised of more people like you, me, and many many others here, there would be no war, conflict, nor chaos as it would be replaced with decency and compassion and peaceful living. As mentioned, I am proud of the souls that have such positive traits.
I do have faith that humans may improve, but I am concerned it will take quite some time for this to occur on a mass scale. Well beyond our lifetime. Things are getting so tense around the world that I do hope another World War can be avoided. At times I feel we are going backwards. As also mentioned, it is best that I phase out of keeping up with world affairs, as it takes a toll on me as I despise injustice.
I do thank you for your kind words of hope and faith. 🙂
I'm sorry Frosty, I'm afraid they were not kind enough.
It is not an easy subject to discuss when we feel the weight of suffering. It is also, a child like or rebellious nature(speaking for myself) that does not want to be told what is happening. I believe the reason for all of this suffering is because we do not know God. We have been given taste, and that taste has pulled us into the heavens. But who wants to hear that, when they know their neighbor is suffering?
I'm not here to disagree with your opinion concerning the state of the world. I only wish to encourage that there is a greater reality, and it's closer than we think. So long as we look at everything happening as, "other than self" we may suffer endlessly.
I am fond of the old expression... When you point a finger at someone, there are three more pointing right back at you. I am sorry you're hurting. The news isn't evil, but the combination of news and internet is extremely polarizing. It keeps us in a state of finger pointing. It's a part of the human-epic. Duality is a part of the human sojourn. The warring ideals of today fight, and believe they are fighting for the betterment of humanity. It's a polarization effect, it is meant to keep us tethered to the system.
We are tethered to the system for experiential wisdom.
It's true that information has been weaponized.
More than anything we must continue to practice time in stillness and develop heart felt discernment. To establish a living relationship with our Beloved God. I again say it is not an easy practice. It is a practice. But when we turn the lens inward, we realize the outer world acknowledging us in ways that create ripple effects in our circles...
There are so many hidden blessings to be grateful for. While my immediate incarnation may cease to exist, I believe I will go on and I am extremely hopeful for our kind.
Please understand, my opinions are just that. And they are an expression of my recent experiences. They were never aimed at attacking, or belittling another persons heart.
I agree, these things do not happen overnight. And I am also of the belief that we are an extremely young species. I must attempt responsibility for my actions, and I pray for Gods guidance through it all.
God Bless...
PS.
Whether someone believes Christ walked the Earth or not- there are examples of true "human beings" out there... The combination of dual material nature and infinite Soul working in a most beautiful and compelling way. In regards to what is said of Christ a "divine being" - That his descension, meant to take the Earth-Human form is considered a rare treat. He showed us, among others, in an era of great ignorance what it truly means to be human. That is something to be proud of and something to aspire towards. That such an intelligence would desire this level of understanding is a part of what makes being human special.
Thank you for the discussion everyone! No doubt we came here to face challenges and that was my exact point of why we should be proud of ourselves of have chosen to endure such extremes. But we have to remember that we have chosen them. We actually designed the game and our individualized and collective experiences.
I just came back from another wonderful day at Disneyland. I was resting at the Avengers camp and they had the hero characters gather outside among the crowd. I haven't seen this before. While I was watching them with delight, on the background there was the music playing and a voice on the speakers talking about their mission. At one point the narrator said "The heroes are strong because they are different. They are strong because they embrace their uniqueness". My jaw dropped. I said to myself, awe I want to cry, this is exactly what I wrote on my new topic on the pulse, for everyone to embrace their uniqueness. What a great synchronicity that was!
Here is something to think about. Can there be heroes without villains? Sometimes even nature plays the villain in our world. Does a blade get stronger when forged in fire? Also, Dolores Cannon said that no one dies one second before they have chosen to. Everyone choses when and how they die.
Everyone wants (on a higher level) to be where they currently are and they have the free will to chose their villains. The villains have agreed to play their part to create the opportunities for the lessons. There are no victims in the eye of the soul. That's why the soul from a higher point of view sees these realities like dreams and simulations for learning.
To see the "chaos" in our world as a precise orchestration is to lift ourselves much higher than our 3D personas. This is the only way we can understand. Not hope, but knowing that we are where we need to be, in order to go where we need to go.
LB how can billions of souls (prior to getting here in the PR) orchestrate to be under the distress of these leaders at the same time? I can see micro individual "lessons" and people interactive encounters occurring I.e. family, relatives, friends (awful employee/coworkers) etc... but on this massive scale, it's really hard to comprehend. The logic behind this fails when looking at the scale of it. Surely many here who did not choose to be under the control of such evil are no less affected by it in some manner. Everyone choosing this simultaneously would be just mind bending.
I have always believed, when a human does not believe in God, (be it called Source, God, etc...), the Divine Realm, nor the afterlife, or that they are (at least) more than their physical bodies, their Spiritual development/evolving comes to an abrupt halt. This is often replaced by the primal human 2D/3D ego urges, money, power, greed, drugs, promiscuity, apathy, hurting others... everything dark. They simply think all actions here have no repercussions or influence in their Spiritual development or eventual Spiritual "placement" in the afterlife. For the worst offenders, the lower Astral may eventually be their temporary or possibly permanent home. I believe it is possible that souls that fail to evolve and go around hurting other souls go to the lower Astral as a place of self created Hell of their own mind's making. I have read about this Spiritual theory on more than one occasion. Of course this is just one possibility, as none of us or those other sources have conclusive absolute answers (until we get to the afterlife).
I strongly agree with you LB, in the Yin Yang/ Good Evil principle. Encountering challenges here DOES cause us to ask the right questions, changes our focus and can trigger steady Spiritual development. These are the humans I am most proud of. Call it evolved, awakened, or enlightened if you will. They see life, its deep meaning and appreciate the value of treating others with compassion and decency. Otherwise if everything were good all the time, Spiritual atrophy would occur and we would be very complacent with this low vibrational world.
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 25, 2025, 08:02:19(until we get to the afterlife).
Yes, some day we shall all see :)
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 24, 2025, 21:18:17I'm sorry, but how can we humans be dawning a Golden Age when they are turning countries into rubble with nearly a million dead in the Ukraine War and well over 45,000 dead in Gaza consisting of mostly woman and children? And for what? land, resources, minerals, the thrill of the conquer? Clearly a genocide attempt with the goal of a major land grab. Also Dictatorships are becoming popular by the masses who "like to be ruled" by a leader with an iron fist who now claims this type of leadership is "freedom". I hope humans turn things around, because if ETs landed and asked us to justify our actions it would be impossible.
I would love to pretend all this does not exist nor affects me, but unfortunately the scale of this insanity is so large that eventually it affects everyone.
Think "cosmic" time scale.
We're all bits of the same consciousness. We're eternal beings just learning to love and grow. There's no race on how fast that needs to happen. :)
Remember, it doesn't matter what "humans" do... it matters what YOU do, your Intent that you put out into the world. THAT is the driving force for change, it's all on an individual level, helping to grow the quality of consciousness as a whole. <3
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 25, 2025, 08:02:19LB how can billions of souls (prior to getting here in the PR) orchestrate to be under the distress of these leaders at the same time?
You're thinking "human" level. As I said above, it doesn't matter what humans do. Only what YOU do.
When I was at my wife's grandmothers funeral (if you know me, you know I'm NOT religious), there was a plaque on a wall which caught me by surprise as I wasn't expecting to see that there. It said, and I'm paraphrasing, but "what's important in this life isn't what you can see, it's what you cannot".
Take a look around you right now. You see your family, your home, your friends, maybe enemies. Who knows. But all of that has ZERO importance. Those are the physical things of life. They don't matter, they're all temporary and as "all things must pass", so will all of that.
What remains though? The Emotions, the Love, the Intent... *THAT* is the purest form of what you essentially are. The choices you've made throughout this life, the love, the emotion, the intent, that's what truly goes with us. These meatsacks we call physical bodies are part of this reality and that's where these end.
Make sense?
Quote from: Xanth on February 26, 2025, 16:12:58What remains though? The Emotions, the Love, the Intent... *THAT* is the purest form of what you essentially are. The choices you've made throughout this life, the love, the emotion, the intent, that's what truly goes with us. These meatsacks we call physical bodies are part of this reality and that's where these end.
Make sense?
Life is way too short to focus on things we cant control. We can take actions only to the individual capacity to help the world. What we CAN control and focus is ourselves. And this is THE most selfless act one can do, so their frequency can increase and feed the world energy, thus helping the entire world on a mass energy level to keep it balanced.
Always look from the highest possible perspective, not from a 3D level. 3D is not meant to make sense from its level.
I have been reading this topic with interest, so I would like to offer my own perspective.
The only way to make sense of all that is taking place in the world today is by rising above the material world and the ego mind to view from a from a purely Spiritual, Eternal perspective. Everyone and everything in the Universe is Source, God, and is therefore immutably and eternally Perfect. To consider someone, something or some situation as imperfect in some way is to consider Source, God to be imperfect which is impossible. From the perspective of Source, God All is perfect, it is only the dualistic thinking of the conscious mind, the ego that labels people, things or situations as imperfect in some way.
We also need to take into consideration the immutable principle of Cause and Effect. Every cause has a corresponding effect and is part of a chain of causes and effects that begin and end with Source, God. From a very limited temporal perspective humans have no perception of the origin of a cause or of its corresponding effect beyond the temporal event horizon. Only Source, God knows the entire chain of causes and effects which are always perfect. There is no "good" or "evil", these are dualities of the ego which always wants to label things, there is only the immutable, eternal Perfection of Source, God.
Also, to address the question of why anyone would choose to come to Earth at this time, the answer is they don't, because reincarnation does not work that way. All "incarnations" on Earth or other planets are sent concurrently by the Higher Self, the Eternal Spirit, who places incarnations in accordance with what Higher Self requires to gather all the experience it needs to continue the journey as an Eternal Spirit.
Humanity IS entering a new universal cycle which has come to be known as the "Golden Age". To attempt to make sense of it from the extremely limited perspective of the human ego, bound by temporal time-space, which does not actually exist anyway, is utterly futile, as is becoming emotionally involved with and trying to make sense of current events. Only looking back in many hundreds or thousands of years will the people of the time more clearly see how the cycle unfolded, just as previous such cycles have.
It all comes down to FAITH and LOVE. Not the religious "faith in God" but Faith IN God, As God. Faith in the Eternal, Immutable Perfection of God that the Universe, including everything on Earth is functioning perfectly. Faith that everything happens for a perfect reason, and Faith that are indeed entering a new Golden Age. As Jesus said "Love thy neighbour as thyself" and that means all humans and all life without exception and Love yourself as God, Source infinitely Loves us all.
I have suggested more than once that one of the best courses of action is to never watch, listen to or read the so called "news", which is both irrelevant and potentially emotionally harmful. We are only responsible for projecting our own universe and not get emotionally involved with that of the rest of the world. Only by focusing on the perfection of ourselves and own universe can we positively contribute to the increasing vibration and perfection of the Whole. Instead of watching the news do something that actually does bring you Joy. Or go into nature, where the Perfection of Source, God is always very evident.
As to the question of "are we proud to be human". We most definitely should be. We are privileged to be here on this planet at a pivotal juncture in the evolution of humanity, and one in which we are all participants and contributing to. Keep the Faith and above all enjoy it, knowing it is all Perfect. Love yourself, everyone and every "thing", it is all of Source, God. We are Eternal Spiritual Beings and Expressions of God, Source. Our time here on Earth is but a blip in Eternity, so enjoy it, use it wisely with Absolute Faith and Unconditional Love.
Quote from: Adrian on February 27, 2025, 01:59:18To consider someone, something or some situation as imperfect in some way is to consider Source, God to be imperfect which is impossible.
That's how I see it, Adrian! But I dont say it often because some people find it arrogant to think themselves as God or others that cause harm to be called God. However if we follow the notion that God is All That Is , or God is the creator of everything/is everything, there can't be any other conclusion. As we have said many times, one needs to lift up much higher to be able to understand the reasons and the purpose of existence they way it is.
I absolutely agree LightBeam. To say, with certainty that we ARE God, to the majority of people, especially religiously inclined people, is a step too far and usually causes some negative or even aggressive reaction. But as Jesus said "In that day you will know that I am in my Father, you in me and I in you". How much clearer could it be? Likewise with saying there is "no good or evil". The entire planet is a collective dream, drama, simulation, to which extent not even "real" in absolute terms, and certainly nothing to become emotionally involved with. And yes, absolutely, the only way to know this is to rise above the material and unite with the Spiritual.
All excellent responses, thank you. It's one thing to know better as in "not to watch the news" but it is quite another to adhere to it when things get very bad. I get it though, if I must watch the news or world affairs now and then (as Lumaza says) "passively observe" without too much emotional attachment. The logical side of me gets frustrated to see people on a mass scale choosing things clearly against their interest. But... as you all say, the extreme nature of these bad choices and the poor results they cause, may bring mass beneficial "perfect" change. For the ones that know better already it's like watching a train wreck in slow motion... which can be frustrating. The answer for me is to take a step back, and as LB says, focus on things that bring an individual happiness.
As far as all things perfect goes, I like to think about it, that a person going around harming others may not be perfect, but the circumstances and change it creates for both the parties may be perfect.
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 27, 2025, 08:56:44As far as all things perfect goes, I like to think about it, that a person going around harming others may not be perfect, but the circumstances it creates for the both the parties may be perfect.
To keep it simple, it's ALL about learning. Learning CAN NOT occur without tests, so tests are necessary and they are perfect for the purposes. All students are at school at their own will and have chosen the grades and tests themselves. This is very important to remember when comes to "victims". I understand that our compassion tells us otherwise and our physical nature urges us to make all suffering stop. But if we have the power to do that we will be closing the school and the students will not be happy. This would not be a form and action of compassion but not honoring their wishes to learn their way. And that is the reason on a physical level no one has that power with a magical wave to turn Earth into heaven.
Right LB, excellent explanation. This is completely opposite of the PR ingrained left brain 3D premise "evil triumphs when good men do nothing". At first, your explanation may be looked at as a passive approach, but in actuality, it is active to the masses when large scale productive change occurs.
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 27, 2025, 09:46:11Right LB, excellent explanation. This is completely opposite of the PR ingrained left brain 3D premise "evil triumphs when good men do nothing". At first, your explanation may be looked at as a passive approach, but in actuality, it is active to the masses when large scale productive change occurs.
Yes, exactly! Now, to clarify, would I help a fallen person if I see them on the street. Absolutely! Do I try to help as many people as I can in various ways, donate money, donate time and be of service to humanity. Always! This is one of the roles my character had chosen in this game. But I can only help within my capacity. And even those I help, if they choose not to accept my help then I honor their free will and lessons and I dont attach their suffering to myself, nor do I blame myself that I didn't do enough for them. We have to discern in every situation.
I also send blasts of healing and comforting energy to the entire world and multiverse. But it is the choice of the receivers if they would accept it or reject it. This is none of my concern because I honor their free will and the oaths they have chosen. No judgment on their paths though either. Because we dont know what they have set up for themselves and in what way they want to learn. There are no wrong ways or failures. Just experience that is always beneficial no matter what it may look like from a lower point of view.
To have unconditional love towards everything and everything means to not put any conditions and let all have free will. That is God (as one)'s quality. God lets its expressions have free will to a point where they can even believe they don't have free will :)
In light of seeing benefits from every situation no matter how horrific it may be, I am thinking of WWII for example. Millions of people lost their lives, but one of the great benefits that emerged from it was that it provided opportunities for women to prove that they can handle their husbands business while they were away. They proved that they can handle hard labor work at factories and be smart enough to manage finances and businesses.
That was a big turn for women's rights that were suppressed for centuries. And the orchestration was to have extreme forced event to demonstrate something that the masses were not seeing or initiating to change on their own without force. So force was presented to get their attention. And on a higher level all these victims have chosen to play that role of "sacrificing" to help reveal and push along needed changes within society. Women's rights is just one of the many changes that occurred as a result.
It's all relative LB. We have come a long way, but some tendencies of old still remain. You and others will find this video very interesting as it is very much on point here. It's about the Salem Witch Trials.
Quote from: LightBeam on February 27, 2025, 10:38:46In light of seeing benefits from every situation no matter how horrific it may be, I am thinking of WWII for example. Millions of people lost their lives, but one of the great benefits that emerged from it was that it provided opportunities for women to prove that they can handle their husbands business while they were away. They proved that they can handle hard labor work at factories and be smart enough to manage finances and businesses.
That was a big turn for women's rights that were suppressed for centuries. And the orchestration was to have extreme forced event to demonstrate something that the masses were not seeing or initiating to change on their own without force. So force was presented to get their attention. And on a higher level all these victims have chosen to play that role of "sacrificing" to help reveal and push along needed changes within society. Women's rights is just one of the many changes that occurred as a result.
And we should also be mindful of the fact that "death" does not exist, and accordingly no one" lost" their lives, but rather continued their lives at a different frequency, usually the Astral, where they are generally considerably happier than they were on Earth.
Both "world wars" particularly the first, seemed horrific at the time, but as you say, in hindsight so much benefit from humanity arose from it. And yes, this is why cause and effect is so perfect, even though situations may not seem like it at the time. In fact it seems often the case that the most extreme events ultimately give rise to the most extreme benefits.
Quote from: Adrian on February 28, 2025, 02:00:10And we should also be mindful of the fact that "death" does not exist, and accordingly no one" lost" their lives, but rather continued their lives at a different frequency, usually the Astral, where they are generally considerably happier than they were on Earth.
Oh definitely! I think we need to revisit the concept of "death" and change our perspective. It is difficult though. Now after some time had passed, I am able to be truly happy for my parents. I keep receiving telepathic messages from them. About 2 weeks ago as I was cooking, a thought and an image popped up in my head. I saw the photo wall paper in one of the rooms in my childhood home. It was a huge photo of a beautiful beach and palm trees covering the entire wall. My dad called it a paradise and I remember him looking at it often and dreaming of being there. My parents never had opportunity to visit such place while they were in this reality. But the knowing and message I got telepathically from them was "Remember our photo wall paper? Well, we are actually there :)". I saw the smile on their faces. The level of happiness could not be described with words, but I felt what they were feeling. I smiled and sent them love and I also sent my astral self to be with them as well. That made me so happy and I understood that it would be selfish of me to want to have them here in 3D.
Quote from: Frostytraveler on February 27, 2025, 23:05:56It's all relative LB. We have come a long way, but some tendencies of old still remain. You and others will find this video very interesting as it is very much on point here. It's about the Salem Witch Trials.
Thanks for posting, Frosty! I think every era has its lessons. We are now in the midst of our era, which in comparison with our 'past" eras is a walk in the park. But changes are always present, sometimes less noticeable, sometimes accelerated and extreme. It's important to learn how to flow smoothly on the top of the waves of changes to extract the enjoinment of the lessons.
Hi guys. It seems there are some themes as far as "spiritual lessons" are concerned once again coming to a clearer view.
One is. We truly do not know what the future holds. We can be shown a future event, and until that moment transpires, the information is limited. I recently had this discovery after being shown information in a dream, something I thought might have been a negative omen concerning my relationship with someone. But I totally interpreted the dream wrong, and only later realized I was being shown my emotional state, something I did not foresee/understand until the precise moment said state was experienced-
This has something to do with what we are discussing here... Weighing the future of humanity as we are hyper focused on particular events that are taking place, including the way we perceive/receive those events.
Another theme I am experiencing, and something I wanted to share here... A poem that came to me the moment I was feeling very emotional about my human existence. I think it kind of encapsulates the drama we see between Ego and Soul. I read, from a very wise man, about loving others but keeping your "garment of detachment from being wet." And I had a response to that.
my garment of detachment is soaked
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And i have suffered and been made compassionate for it
I do not cry because I've allowed my garments to be made wet
I cry for union, the longing of my soul
A greater love I've known
Nothing compares
And nothing seems to satisfy
And so i cry
The longings of my soul
.... And this morning I remembered a great being, whom I believe is guiding me in my life. He shared some ideas on suffering... That I would know what suffering was, when my tears cause flowers to bloom.
Many of us do not realize the extent of that suffering, but I believe this is a part of the experiential wisdom we hoped for by being born on this planet, in this region of space and time.
-It may not make sense, especially if you do not believe in Life after Life.
Which comes back to the lesson you folks have implored here. Personal choice- how we choose to respond to information
and how we choose to share. How we carry ourselves. We live, and hopefully we learn. And you never know the full extent the simplest act of kindness may create or who it might reach. More important than thinking we know what's what, is how we choose to share with, of and in the present.
Hey I like this topic!
QuoteI was thinking today of how humans perceive themselves in relation to ETs and other beings.
I observe many people who are labeling themselves as spiritual to wanting to be from someplace else than Earth. They want to be ETs among humans. They want to believe they are something higher than humans. The reason I believe is because they have a sense of multiple life times and some connections are stronger. But on the other hand I am seeing an issue where they place hierarchy where they perceive superiority based on evolution, technological advancement, vibrational residency, etc. A lot of people are not proud to call themselves humans because they perceive humans as not much evolved and they wish they were something more superior. They wish to feel special, powerful by being somebody else. But not seeing everyone and everything as equal (from a higher perspective) they will not achieve fulfilment. If someone doesn't feel special or powerful is because they are not embracing their own uniqueness. Everyone is special, but just because everyone is special that doesn't negate specialness.
I think we do get envious and feel bad when others have more or can do more than us. It's a natural tendency in us and it's an evolutionary response I think to bettering ourselves. There's nothing worse than boredom and I think if there are ETs, they are there to inspire us, and why not>? lets grow!
I am proud to be human though. Especially when I see Jeff besoz, and Elon musk and all the multi- billionaires rallying around to create a better world. There is no light without dark and no peace without war in this world, so once we evolve into ETs maybe they could wipe out wars too>?
I see Jeff is wanting to create space mansions, and Elon wants us to inhabit mars...well look at the size of the universe??? why not??? lets do it! I would be an ET at the drop of a hat if it meant no more suffering. I think of myself as a moral person, so I guess I would be a hugging ET lol...free hugs for all with magic huggable powers to create love( hey it might take away my aggression lol, after I have slapped you a few times for annoying me haha)
I would love to change my form at the drop of a hat and speak 300 inter- dimensional languages, if it meant having fun or helping others. it's what we were made for surely?
I am not blessed with Elon or Jeff's money so I don't have the know how but I do know we are all alright really, just suffering from not having what we all want at the drop of a hat.
:-D
Please tell me you are kidding regarding these billionaires? Do you have any idea how many small businesses across the planet Amazon has put out of business with their unrelenting greed? How much do they give back to the people through charity and the planet? Especially in light of the fact they hardly pay ANY taxes at all? The tech billionaire and leadership ideologies are purely wicked, selfish and primal based with money, greed, power, tyranny, resource (mineral) and land grabs. It's simply never enough. The power grab and manipulation of leadership by these tech billionaires is incredibly dark. Their quest to brainwash and manipulate the masses with 100% false information is ever present. They have now authorized the cutting down of ancient forests in the Pacific Northwest as well as countless orders that GREATLY harm the planet. Are these the traits I should envy? They are takers in every sense of the word causing mass suffering to the people and the planet.
They look at the masses as insects to be exploited with ZERO empathy. Envy them? Really? I would need to envy mass corruption and bringing pain to the majority of people (and now the World) then, at the benefit of the VERY select few. So many think "this is good for them, and what they need" when it couldn't be further from the truth. Wake up people. I have no words for complacent submissive illogical thinking. In my opinion, the spiritual path/evolvement does not merely comprise of unicorns and rainbows. Light and Darkness exist, as do Yin and Yang, Good and Evil. For those that don't think evil truly exists, then you just haven't personally experienced it.
"When good men do nothing evil triumphs". I am proud to say I have stopped "evil" many times in my life by confronting them, exposing them, and taking away their power with the law and the Church on my side. This in turn stopped the suffering of countless others. If I just rolled over and said, this is my suffering it is lesson for me and others then so many more would have suffered horribly. I may be a hybrid of Spiritual and Christian, but I realize I am very different from many of you and that's perfectly ok. But... when we all condone evil and roll over, we ALL pay the price, no matter how much one things they control "their" own individual world.
I have always said, as with most things in life, the truth usually lies in the middle where a balance is achieved. In my opinion this applies to not only politics, but in our spiritual beliefs. I believe if we lose sight of fairness, Justice and the common good for humanity and the planet, that will not promote spiritual evolution, it will hinder it.
Hi Frosty, I want to tell you that I perfectly understand your point and agree with it. In my particular case, through direct experience, I know that I came into the human world because it's completely different from my original state. It's so inexplicably unusual that I decided to come to expand my internal wisdom about other existing realities. I found this out in an OBE about ten years ago, and this marked my life forever. I understood that I'm here by my own will to expand my knowledge (and apparently that of others who are with me). But I can't say the same for others.
Regarding suffering, it's always optional, since experiences are neutral, and we decide how to feel about it. This can be misinterpreted, as those who don't feel anything towards others are psychopaths without empathy and killers, who can't feel love (they say so themselves) and can brutally massacre the rest like a bunch of insects, as you say. Unfortunately, those people exist, and most are leaders of this world. But I see them as sick people, not evil (they have alterations in the structure and function of their brain, it is different from the rest).
Therefore, the neutrality I'm referring to is not amoral, apathetic, or insensitive. I'm not referring to turning a blind eye either. But rather controlling our internal state to act in a more balanced way. I think what you did, Frosty, was very good, and that's how we should always act when we see injustice. I agree that all are lessons for the spirit, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do anything about it; just the opposite, tests are meant to be overcome, to awaken more compassion, awareness, and love in us. Tests are meant to take action. It's like if they put a paper in front of me at school and said, 'I won't write the paper because it's a lesson, I won't do anything because it's just a test,' what would the grade be? ZERO, lol. I wouldn't hesitate to call the police if I saw someone being raped or if they were attacking a dog with a stick. I definitely think I'd even risk my life to save someone in certain circumstances. I think the function and understanding that this life is designed to learn through lessons shouldn't fall into passive contemplation but rather awaken more love and respect for life itself.
Regarding seeing life as a dream, I also think this can be misinterpreted. I think that from our pivotal and pure consciousness focus, this human life, not being our primary focus, seems to be seen as a dream from there, because it is. That's why reference is made to the physical world in this way (as an illusion, dream, or simulation). But that doesn't mean we should spend our lives staring out the window, lost in thought, not at all! Life is meant to be lived in all its splendor!!! In the end, I think what's important are the decisions we make and with what degree of love they're guided.
Frosty, I understand and respect the way you perceive the world. I will respond with an alternative perspective which you may wish to consider.
Firstly, on a more "down to Earth" level, everyone on Earth has been endowed with the freewill to make their own choices in life and to experience, learn and thus evolve or devolve accordingly. The only reason that billionaires and their ilk can exploit people is because people are making the choice, at some level to be exploited. Every time people experience negative consequences as a result, it is a learning experience which they can choose to ignore, or continue to repeat until they final do learn. It is all about balance, which is perfect. An excellent example to illustrate this is "big pharma" which not only exploit people financially, but do so while exposing them to a vast array of laboratory chemicals, called "medicine" which can progressively toxify the body causing further sickness without ever healing the underlying cause of the condition. I will concede that medicines, vaccines etc have helped to reduce the symptoms of a condition in the short term and in some cases save lives. However people becoming sick and exposing themselves to pharmaceutical chemicals is a personal choice which people are making at some level, as a result of eating unhealthy or inappropriate foods and leading an unhealthy lifestyle, thus putting themselves in the hands of the "medical industry". So they are choosing an unhealthy diet, and then choose doctors and medicines in the hope of correcting it. There are five places in the world where the residents routinely live to well over 100, never become sick or see a doctor, and still live an active lifestyle, participating in dancing, martial arts etc. These people choose a diet consisting of 97% whole plant based, and live a healthy lifestyle. While millions of people choose to eat fast food, junk food, sugar, alcohol, and I am going to say meat and dairy products, they are choosing, at some level, for whatever reason to potentially expose themselves to health issues, and of big pharma and the medical industry generally. This why chronic conditions such as cancer, diabetes and a whole range of others has never been higher and increasing, and inflicting children at progressively younger ages. So it is all about balance and freedom of choice, which is one of the great benefits of choosing the countless challenges presented by living on this planet.
Ultimately it is all Perfect, because the Universe, God, Source, with which we are all One, can be none other than Perfect. Everyone on Earth, no matter who they are or what they have done, is an Expression, a child of God, infinitely Loved and always Perfect, all participating in this drama we call living on Earth. I use diet and lifestyle as just one of numerous choices that people can make, such as where to purchase goods from, who they vote for, choice of religion to adhere to, risks to take, people to associate with etc., and countless other choices, all of which can influence their own life experience through freedom of choice, through which to learn, evolve, devolve or stand still. If millions of people didn't choose to buy from Amazon, use Google, Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp, watch Youtube, buy Tesla cars, etc., there would be no billionaires behind them. Millions of people choose the low prices. selection and convenience of Amazon rather than spend hours driving around small shops and paying a higher price - if they can find what they are looking for at all. Mass freedom of choice. Earth is a relatively unique planet in these respects, which is why Higher Selves choose Earth to send personalities to as a potential fast track to further Spiritual evolution. As Shakespeare said - "all the world is a stage". The world is a mass simulation projected by the collective mind of its participants who choose to come here.
Secondly, it is impossible to fight low vibration with further low vibration. Earth and humanity can only evolve by raising the vibratory frequency of the planet as a whole, which in turn causes the negative forces to which you referred in your post to dissipate. By watching, listening to or reading the "news" and becoming emotionally involved with all the drama playing out, you lower your own vibration through anger, fear and other low emotions etc. which not only contributes to lowering the vibration of the planet, thereby becoming part of that which you are against, you also drag yourself down physically and mentally. The only solution therefore is to switch off the "news", only watch uplifting youtube videos etc. focussing only on your own Universe which is entirely in your own control, by only uplifting activities that bring pleasure, joy etc. helping those within the sphere of your own Universe etc. thereby increasing your own vibration, which will in turn contributes to raising the vibration of the planet and its people as a whole, which will reduce negativity in the world to the same degree, while experiencing a much happier and healthy life yourself.
I absolute respect your feelings on these matters, but I hope this provides an alternative perspective for you to consider.
As always Adrian, I appreciate your incite as I do LB's (and others) which you both have generously given during my time here on the Pulse. I don't mean to contradict what you both often say, and at times it might appear so, but that is out of frustration of the wrongs going on in this PR. I do understand and agree for the most part of what you stated. Yes, it's best to just tune out of world affairs. I would agree, and eluded to the fact in my post, that balance is very important. It is truly unfortunate, that, as we make huge efforts to awaken and evolve in the NPR, yet in the PR a fair amount of the people are clueless of the reality of what is REALLY going on. They are asleep in the PR's own version of the Matrix.
As you say though, the masses of humanity [the sheep] at some level are "choosing" to suffer and now on the US, they are seeing the fruits of their actions. I can not go down that path and always chose for the greater good. My discontent kicks in when I observe the masses making such bad decisions, then witness the very foreseeable damage caused them. It is frustrating for me to witness, and being a bit of a perfectionist with very high moral standards, it takes a toll on me observing such self destructive decisions and behavior by a fair amount of the masses. In the end, it is because I care for the world and the planet, and I see collective decision causing so much harm unnecessarily.
I understand that we are here to learn. We are also here to help, wake up and sometimes protect others from their own self destructive behaviors, decisions and beliefs. But this can be overwhelming, so boundaries need to be drawn or this will lower one's vibration. I get it, as that is the last thing I want to do. I have seen so much in the NPR, and a fair amount of it being Divine experiences, that I feel my experiences, and belief's to some degree have caused this focus and feel blessed because of it.
I will take make a good effort to not let low vibrational PR bring me down to a parallel low vibrational state. Very hard to witness this, but we as individuals can only do so much.
The very highest service we can offer humanity is to show people the truth of our own Divinity and the infinite power we have within us. This was Jesus primary mission on Earth just as many before him and since.
The Light is infinitely more powerful than the dark - we can take a light into a dark room to illuminate it, but is impossible to take darkness into a room filled with Light and make it darker. Once enough people do recognise the truth of their own Divinity and power and Light within, the darkness such as that you referred to in your post will dissipate, and humanity will finally know and experience the truth of the "Kingdom of Heaven on Earth".
Regardless of the dramas playing out in the world, we should strive to take the "high road" knowing that the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth will be fully realised, if not by our generation then by generations to come.
Everything will eventually be realized in its own good time. No force, just flow with the synchronicities.
Some interesting points made in the video below that is somewhat applicable to this discussion.
To be fair, I get the POV Frosty that the big enterprises are swallowing up small businesses. I seen it in my time and whats now left of my home town is a complete mess. The councils taxed everyone to high heaven to pay for the projects that greedy contractors sucked the life out of and gained unfairly which left ppl destitute that were already of the brink of despair bc they were poor and therefor defenceless.
If you ask me there's a dog eat dog world out there, and those who oppress the poor are in for it. If the biggest fish does not take responsibility for the power they have, they will suffer a fate worse than death which will crease them to Eternity. A higher power created this world, And gave the top dogs the ability to help further us humans, I call Him GOD and He sees all...even when we think things are bad, because of stupid humans, He will see to it, Eternally, that we will all be all safe, even if it means after death.
He keeps check on the people He puts in Power, and with great power comes great responsibility and I know I would not like being the one with all the power in this world if I didn't have Something beyond myself helping me and everyone in mind when I make planetary decisions.
All I see is that God knows where he wants us headed, and He sees things we do not, and every now and then He intervenes, to keep things on track. I cant for the life of me say what it will be like when He has finished His Plans, but I believe heaven is the Plan for us all, because the bible says we are all sinners, and the ones who sins belongs to God, so what kind of Creator would let us all just die and go to "hell"?
When I say we are all *sinners*, I mean, we don't do everything perfectly in our service to others.
How many times i fail others, has been too many times to count.
Quote from: Via Dolorosa on March 16, 2025, 15:37:14To be fair, I get the POV Frosty that the big enterprises are swallowing up small businesses.
When I was young, in England, there were no "supermarkets" as such. There were individual shops for buying bread, vegetables, cheese, hardware etc. Them along came supermarkets and put most of them out of business, because people found in much more convenient to shop for all their needs in one place. Same with Amazon on a much larger scale. Amazon enables hundreds of millions of people to shop from home for almost anything they need and have it delivered to the door the next day or even the same day, and in particular has provided disabled and other people with the ability to have access to shopping they did not previously have. So it is not supermarkets or Amazon that are "bad" per se. I have been closely involved with technology for well over 40 years and seen it all. I remember that Amazon, Google, Microsoft etc starting from humble beginnings by people who saw the potential, dropped out of college, and dedicated themselves to making it work, many started working out of their garage. However as these companies grew and prospered, the control of them was progressively usurped by people intent on exploiting the reach and influence of these companies and their original founders for their own nefarious purposes. That controversial Tesla owner for example grew up in South Africa under very difficult and often abusive conditions, before finding the opportunity to move to Canada to join his brother who wrote software together to make a living. He eventually co-founding PayPal and later saw the potential of Tesla.
I am not condoning these people or what they became in any way whatsoever, or their impact on the world today, but there is always a much bigger picture to consider. All these people are infinitely Loved children, Expressions of God and part of the overall Perfection of the Universe, as are we All. All participants have freedom of choice as to whether to buy from Amazon, drive a Tesla, use a computer running Windows, use mobile phones, use the Internet, search with Google, send messages with GMail etc.
I grew up in a world with no computers, Internet, mobile phones etc and 14 " TV in black and white with two channels, Was I happy? Yes extremely, I spent most of my time outside in nature.
QuoteIf you ask me there's a dog eat dog world out there, and those who oppress the poor are in for it. If the biggest fish does not take responsibility for the power they have, they will suffer a fate worse than death which will crease them to Eternity.
If you believe that the world is "dog eat dog" then that will be your experience. Always strive to see the good, beauty and perfection in all people and "things" - they are all God. Those who oppress the poor and deliberately negatively impact other people are of a lower vibration and not as far along the path. When the transition from Earth they will go to a corresponding lower vibration level of the Astral where together they will continue to learn and evolve through experience, always infinitely Loved by God, as are we all.
QuoteA higher power created this world, And gave the top dogs the ability to help further us humans, I call Him GOD and He sees all...even when we think things are bad, because of stupid humans, He will see to it, Eternally, that we will all be all safe, even if it means after death.
God blessed us all, out of Divine Love, the gift of Eternal Life and the opportunity, through Spiritual Evolution, to become fully God realised, as God.
No human has been endowed with more power than any other, all are equal. God does not get directly involved in the affairs of humans at all, as that would be contrary to the very reason humans are here in the first place. Nothing is "bad" and no humans are "stupid" before an infinitely Loving and Perfect God, with Which are One.
QuoteHe keeps check on the people He puts in Power, and with great power comes great responsibility and I know I would not like being the one with all the power in this world if I didn't have Something beyond myself helping me and everyone in mind when I make planetary decisions.
God does not "put anyone in power" or "check" on anyone. God is only concerned with the Eternal and allows God's children to live and evolve in their own way. ALL is Perfect.
With regard to your other post:
QuoteWhen I say we are all *sinners*, I mean, we don't do everything perfectly in our service to others.
How many times i fail others, has been too many times to count.
There are no "sinners" in the world in the sense used by religion, and neither do people need to be "saved". These are constructs of religion for its own purposes and/or beliefs.
However much you succeed or not in being of service to others or not is irrelevant. All that matters is being willing to be of service to others, and extending service to others whether accepted or not or successful or not.
"Service to others before self" is an aspect of the primary reason people are on Earth for numerous lives, which is to fully transcend the influence of the ego, to fully align with Unconditional Love.
I just wanted to clarify, about Amazon. I'm sure most of us use Amazon, even me. Of course there is a convenience factor. When I can buy local, I usually do, but certain things I have no choice. The fact that Amazon has put countless large, medium and small businesses out of business, is just the tip of the iceberg on the underlying damage billionaires and more specifically tech billionaires are doing. They used to just manipulate politicians and the tax code from the background, but so do corporations with a physical presence like major stores in the US. The drive to lower or eliminate taxes for the uber rich, and heavily tax everyone else is frankly disgraceful. They all play the game. But...now many of these powerful entities and billionaires are becoming more openly involved with politics and are often openly lying and manipulating, as politicians commonly do. Yet, they rely on customers to buy their products and keep them in business. It's all a "use" relationship with zero empathy which is troubling to me. Lying is one of the lowest forms of low vibration, and is the quickest way to stunt our spiritual evolution. Yet lying is so commonplace now and is used as the primary means to manipulate the masses.
Quote from: Adrian on March 17, 2025, 03:30:40When the transition from Earth they will go to a corresponding lower vibration level of the Astral where together they will continue to learn and evolve through experience, always infinitely Loved by God, as are we all.
I absolutely believe this, call it a Hell of their own making (trapped in their beliefs) rummaging around in the lower Astral to ponder their ways. If people believed there was repercussions in some form for their actions here on earth I believe that would help humanity stay along a virtuous path. I don't care how large a cross people wear, unfortunately that usually has no relationship with their degree of spiritual/biblical evolvement, decency, moral conscious or true faith in God or the afterlife.
Yes I absolutely agree with you on the extent billionaires and large multinational companies such as the pharmaceutical companies influence politicians to enact things which are definitely not in the interest of the electorate, They call it "lobbying" but bribery might be more appropriate. And yes, politicians do not seem to care about the people they purport to represent, only how much money they can line their numbered bank accounts with, to which end they will say anything to get elected. But as you say, when they transition they will find themselves in an environment along with all others of their ilk, that reflects their personality and level of vibration exactly, with only each other to exploit. This is not a punishment, it is an opportunity to learn and evolve.
More talk on the need for empathy and practicing the "Golden Rule". This medical doctor really covers many aspects of core Christian beliefs, but also Buddhism and Spiritualism. He even mentions we are all "one". He teaches empathy to fellow doctors and nurses. Humanity can learn from him, so we can collectively evolve. So much turmoil and fueled human aggression in today's world because these basic principles are not followed. Once again, wearing a large cross on your chest means very little without truly believing and acting on these principles.
https://youtu.be/1vSdYjKaPes?si=tFUPSp4pmE7JLQy0
In winding down my contribution to this thread, I want to make one more important point. One of the most important traits I have learned in this physical existence is that balance and truth promotes authenticity. Never turn your back on your OWN intuition, and to what feels right and just. These critical traits are derived from independent thinking, which (for me) was essential to my spiritual ascension. Coming from a strong Christian background, and strongly abiding by the Golden Rule, I still remained an independent thinker, as I have in all aspects of my life. When we carry independent thinking to our life in its totality, i.e. family life, religious/spiritual life, political views, etc... we become our true and best self without being polluted my mass 1, 2 and 3rd Density thinking. If we listen to others that parrot untruths long enough, humans become numb, eventually ending up believing in these untruths and it will hinder not only their evolutionary process in the physical world, but in the NP/Spiritual world as well. If this occurs, our authentic self has been manipulated and stifled. An authentic human is a human we can be proud of. I strongly believe this authenticity, independent thinking and abiding by the Golden Rule, was an important reason for my spiritual growth and profound experiences. With this comes a shift of focus to what lies above, what lies beyond the veil and what is the true meaning of everything. Then the gates open and we see things in all their splendor.
Thank you all for this great discussion! It has definitely provoked many thoughts to drive us towards growth!
I'm not, however I try my best to help others and show compassion. I really feel we can learn a lot from Nature, especially cats. They show unconditional love, are direct communicators, and bond by having their basic needs met. Big cats are king of the jungle, lions and tigers. The fastest runner is the cheetah.
That being said, all animals have their place in the cycle of life and must be protected, honored and respected.