Concerning Allanon's preaching...

[beavis]

I ignore most of his posts. Dogma sucks.

[Soulfire]

Hi,

Sometimes the value of these discussions is not obvious on the surface, but comes about more indirectly:

I know for me personally, I have been struggling somewhat with not having anybody around me who shares my spiritual beliefs and have been dealing with outside pressures and expectations from people with more traditional Christian beliefs.

Believe it or not, writing out and explaining to Allanon WHY Christianity did not work for me and how/why my newer beliefs have helped me to become a better happier person...made me feel better and more centered with my own beliefs. I don't feel that external pressure nearly as much, because the writing and reflecting behind my writing solidified my feelings and purpose and apparently re-newed my energy somehow.

In an odd way that was totally outside his conscious purpose, Allanon really helped me. Sometimes help comes from unexpected directions. I would thank him, but I am fairly certain that he would not understand that he has truly helped me because his belief system allows no room for mine...

--Soulfire

[Gandalf]

Nice answer Soulfire!

I also agree that Allanon will most likely not appreciate it however, as he will only be happy once you have renounced your heathen beliefs and returned to the fold of OUR Lord!  

Douglas

[Nick]

Hi Douglas,

As you may now be aware from Adrian's recent post in the one rather lengthy Astral Chat topic, Allanon has been warned.

Also, as you pointed out, there is merit to what Soulfire says as well. We try to be careful and balance free speech against rudeness and disruption. So while it must seem (especially in recent times with other members) that the moderators may be somewhat inactive, what really is occurring is that we are proceeding slowly on purpose. I'm sure you understand this, but I needed to say it. []

Very best,

[shadowatcher]

I think Allanons been sipping on the monkey juice...

[DjM]

There is a reason and purpose for everything.  Don't think for one reason that Allonon does not come onto the Astral Pulse site out of curiosity.  The way Chrisianity is taught today cannot provide answers to the questions that people have.  In addition, it cannot provide people with what they need to bring to life in order to lead a successful soul life.  This is NOT to say that Chrisianity is not the religion of the future- it is.  HOWEVER, about 95% of what is taught in the average Christian church does not reflect what the founders intended.  FYI: a period of 2000 years was to transpire in order that souls would see the value in 1 single human life.  NOW, we are moving UPWARD and this older condition is being left behind.  More specifically, people will (once again) understand REBIRTH and how it relates to the evolution of mankind.

It is not proper to state that any particular religion is unnecessary.  However, it is certainly deserved to start making corrections on the older model and moving it UPWARD to the level that it once held.  Unfortunately, many of the "churches," which have financially gained, will fight the process vehemently!  They will call everything and everyone "SATAN" who does not comply with their views.  In fact, they will also inform the masses that they are doing the world a favor by getting us out of the way...as was done repeatedly in the past.

The ideal of setting up a system that NEVER changes, conflicts with EVERYTHING that nature tells us.  If one cannot look to nature for answers, one is bound to be filled with untruths.  After all, everything else is man-made.

Our friend Allonon believes that he is "saving us."  It's their way of putting up points on their personal ledger sheet to compensate for their guilt.  In addition, they can say to Jesus- "See, do you see what I have done for you!"  Although, Jesus was quite clear on this...that those who claim to preach on his behalf would not know him.  What does this mean...to know Christ?  Hmmmn...do you think he might have pointed at the difference between worship and following?  How can any kingdom be built if everyone is always on their knees worshipping?  It cannot.  At some point, individuals MUST become FOLLOWERS.  What is a follower?  Is it someone who goes around like a parrot and babbles phrases from a physical book without understanding?  Surely, not!  What then?  What's the answer?  How do we know who Christ is if Christ is no longer in PHYSICAL form?  Those of us who are studying the Mysteries...we are finding out.  Those of us who are not, are left behind with their own sentiments (not to be confused with a researched opinion).

To believe that one understands it all is quite foolish, indeed!  The fact is, that the current capacity of the human being cannot understand it all.  Ergo, we are progressing in steps...like EVERYTHING else in evolution.  In fact, nature tells us this is true.  We can understand PART of the truth in our current state.  In the future, we'll understand more.  However, we have to deal with our current life and work from there.  So, whenever somone comes about who claims to have it sewn up in one little bit (i.e. give your soul to Jesus; say these "magic" words...a little magic going on there; POOF- you're saved!; NOW, you can do whatever you want and you're going to Heaven)- they are always wrong.  If this were true, Jesus's job would have been easy!  He would have just gone around town and told people to "say the magic words," etc...  Why do people believe this?  It's because that's what they want to hear- period.  Just tell me what I want to hear and I'll go along with whatever you're selling.  In fact, if you throw in a few flattering remarks, I'll make a donation, too.  

The bottom line is: if you tell people what they want to hear (i.e. make things simple and easy so that they don't have to think), they will buy it.  (Where were you when I was selling used cars? Have I got some land for you!)
 
The key is understanding.  Ignorance is the enemy.

There is no religion greater than truth...

[RJA]

DjM,

Nice Post! Most Christian churches today (including the one I attend) are more about religion rather than spirituality.  They teach us to "say the magic words" and then tithe and fill a seat in church each Sunday until we die and go to Heaven.  And in the meantime they find a variety of different tasks for us to perform in order to keep their institution running smoothly.  Many of these tasks are worthy (helping the poor, etc.) and many others are just busy work disguised as something of spiritual value (Bible thumping).  

They discourage any genuine spiritual seeking, because since they already have all the answers there is no need for us to stray from what they tell us.  Things fall into two buckets: "truth" or "a lie from Satan" and anything that doesn't jive with their rock-solid understanding of scripture falls into category two - and this includes much of science, literature, and anything that seeks to raise consciousness or explore spirituality such as astral projection, meditation, etc.

They control by fear and guilt.  If you don't behave the way we say you should God will be mad at you.  If, given enough chances, you don't conform to their way of doing things you will go to hell and be tortured eternally with no hope of salvation - so get back in line and put your money in the hat like the scared little bunny that you are!

And yet the folks who perpetuate this system have good intentions, as much victims as they are agents of a belief-system that is self-perpetuating.  The people are nice, the intentions are nice, and some of the results are good.  But ultimately it serves to keep people a safe distance from any truly spiritual and personal encounter with God.  I don't know exactly what Jesus had in mind, but I'm sure it wasn't this.

But the tide is turning and one by one, people are breaking out of the rigid confines of organized religion, and are being drawn by God to seek him in a personal and spiritual way.  It's a slow process, though and for me the challenge is to muster the energy each day to swim against the tide of organized religion and to respond faithfully to my own inner voice and see where it leads.[]

[Tenacious]

OM Gosh!  There are some great posts here that are jsut what we need to show why we are who we are.  Allanon is a preacher, ypu we know this, but he is not that bad.  Think about it this way:he feels we all die and go to either heaven or hell.  Thats what I was taught when I was 5.  However, I do not agree with this.  I feel there are several different places we could "go".  Heaven is what "good people" make it to be.  If you believe in jesus, you see jesus when you part.  If not, what ever you believe becomes where you go.  So for me, a nice beach and some cold drinks would be my eternal life []  Even though allanon preaches, he has calmed down quite a bit, which is nice because people got so mean and hateful.  I don't care who you are, hate is not a choice, it's a destruction.

-Hope this helps and if not read the posts above or below! []

-Tenacious[]

[Allanon]

I am sincerly sorry to anyone here that has got hurt feelings because of my proclamations. I really dont hate anyone and I just want this world to be remade through the Power of the Holy Spirit. My purpose here was simple. To plant seeds in your minds that may one day sprout into good fruit. Jesus is the Way, Truth, and the Light. May the Lord help you in your search and may it one day come to rest in Christ.

6Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth--to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water."

[Tenacious]

Allanon-

I know where you are comming from.  I've been there, and let me say this: My experience with church was horrible.  They (the curch) made what is supposed to be good, into bad.  I have never been judged sp badly before then.  I will always believe that there is a god, but the way that Jesus was portrayed in my eyes is incorrect.  My curch, as many are, is corrupt, run by politicians and people who are trying so hard to get somewhere they will probably never go.  I feel that preaching os good, however you cannot force someone into this state.  Telling someone about god is great, but don't push them off a cliff to make them believe, which is exactly what happened to me, therefore I will never trust the churches in my area again.  You are a wise man, and your comments are not to be taken as threatening.  I hope you understand my point of view. If not I will post what I can to make you understand.

-Tenacious[]

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

I am sincerly sorry to anyone here that has got hurt feelings because of my proclamations. I really dont hate anyone and I just want this world to be remade through the Power of the Holy Spirit. My purpose here was simple. To plant seeds in your minds that may one day sprout into good fruit. Jesus is the Way, Truth, and the Light. May the Lord help you in your search and may it one day come to rest in Christ.

My friend,

We love love you.  Most of us used to come across just like you.  We realize that your intent is good and God.  However, you would be much more well-served to demonstrate to us that you understand the quotaions that you place AND can (and have) bring them to life.  The truth is: none can understand the Bible without the keys- period.  It doesn't make a difference what church you go to, what you were taught when you were young, or how strong your sentiments are.

It is more important to have an open mind and tolerate other people's beliefs, even if they don't corroborate with yours...just like I am showing you.  I admire your devotion!  If you add some understanding, you can be the servant that you hope to be.  However, one can not help another out of the mud, if one is also stuck in the mud.

Didn't God (i.e. the Hierarchies; keep it simple people) create nature?  He did.  One should be able to interpret nature to VALIDATE that which God is and does.  FYI: many of us are here on this site to acquire/sharpen those skills.

I used to sound just like you.  I was trapped in the box and couldn't get out.  I was petrified!  Being a cheerleader for God (without understanding) helped me balance my ignorance...it made me feel like I was doing something for God, when in reality I was alienating people from me and being everything that love isn't.

One of the difficulties in this world is that our thinking becomes increasingly materialistic and eventually crystalizes.  One cannot interpret a Spiritual book materialistically.  This is what's holding you back.  The book of Revelation is about the 7 Seals of the Christian Initiation.  A materialistic interpretation will tell fantastic stories of an entirely different version.

Jesus was an Essene (since age 12).  The twelve disciples were all initiates of varying degrees- that's why we have four entirely different versions of the Gospel.  They are NOT conflictions; they are an initiate's version of what happened from their perspective.  John was the highest level initiate, which is why the words of the Gospel of John work on the soul moreso.

Take the advice of the Lord and approach everything with "eyes of a child," and THEN you will learn to see.  This is not to be foolish, but wise as the serpent and gentle as the dove.

You have the right intent to spread the word, however, you have not made the effort to understand it properly.  We must strive to understand wisdom and not simply repeat it verbally.  This is what we are all here for...the experience with the task of developing our understanding.

It is all too easy to believe the fabulous stories that many religions tell and continue to update for membership.  However, one must eventually take a stand, as these misinterpretations do NOT enable one to bring spiritual currents into our soul life.  Instead, they make it OK to concentrate ONLY on the material world.  The truth is: there must be a balance.  We must gain our experiences in the material world and continue to learn and associate with the spiritual world.

We cannot be ignorant and cling to stories by fantastic dreamers who seek to control us through this device.

Your current state is a reflection on our past state.  I have no problem with you personally.  Ignorance is the enemy.

You are not going to go to hell and burn in a fire.  If one tried to explain this logic from the standpoint of the Spiritual world, one could not.  However, the materialist will say, "See, see- it's right here!  It says..."  This is all wrong!  It's simply a materialistic interpretation of a Spiritual book.  Although, many churches will back you up.  They have to!  At 10% a pop, they would lose bigtime.

My hope is that you are able to move UPWARD.  What did Jesus do?  He did what a lot of us are trying to do.  Many of us are trying to become followers.  Worship is a stage to becoming a follower.  The first step in spiritual progress is REVERENCE.  You have that now.  If you choose to develop it, then you're on the way...[]

[Fat_Turkey]

This world was created by God, wasn't it? I don't see Lucifer having any all-powerful creating powers, now do you? God also created humanity, thus the human spirit, soul, mind and the energies of the world and nature. Thus, everything of and from those can't be evil. Meditation is now scientifically proven to be good for you. And I know how little that means to people here on the forums, because Science is so behind, but they are catching up [].

Allanon, you are a good person, and I am deeply sorry for going off at you as many others did.

Peace
~FT

[Allanon]

Being Born Again is like waking up in a jungle full of tigers and you are a marmot!! Things that before I would have embraced have turned to bitter poison. People I once admired I now see as slaves. There is a question that many have had about the Born Again experience.

What if I leave the Faith and stop believing in Jesus? Am I still saved?

If you are Truly Born Again than you WILL NOT leave Christ and He will not leave you. It is hard to explain but I will never give up the Word after all my searching. It is the Only Way out of this "Matrix" or "Maya" if you will. The Devil is always one step ahead of you and Only the Saviour will let you see past the serpents illusions.

Please dont trust this world and men with PHD's. They are the gatekeepers and keep you in ignorance in order to be worshipped as gods.

Trust in Christ. He is the Divine Child of the Universe that can never leave the state of Innocence. He is valued by God above all others. He will never fall. The Alpha and the Omega. You will not go wrong if you believe in His Perfect Name.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Being Born Again is like waking up in a jungle full of tigers and you are a marmot!! Things that before I would have embraced have turned to bitter poison. People I once admired I now see as slaves. There is a question that many have had about the Born Again experience.

We're all BORN again...and again, and again.  Why do you describe your situation as "you against the world?"  This speaks volumes!

EVERYONE is born again.

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What if I leave the Faith and stop believing in Jesus? Am I still saved?

THE faith...as though ONLY YOUR beliefs are correct.  This is what alienates your responses from the forum.  You are essentially condemning everyone else.  Jesus didn't condemn...

I don't believe that you understand what "saved" means.

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If you are Truly Born Again than you WILL NOT leave Christ and He will not leave you. It is hard to explain but I will never give up the Word after all my searching. It is the Only Way out of this "Matrix" or "Maya" if you will. The Devil is always one step ahead of you and Only the Saviour will let you see past the serpents illusions.

This view is not consistent with what Jesus taught His disciples.  It lacks proper understanding.  In fact, this view is consistent with the East, which believes that the material world is maya and the Spiritual world is  ideology.  Are you sure you don't study Buddhism?  You certainly make that impression by you comments...not that it's bad, but it is contradictory pertaining to your other posts and statements.  The TRUTH is that we gain our experiences in the material world.  You don't appear to understand this.  As a result, you mislead other via your ignorance.  If you are going to place Bible quotes in people's face, they ought to be understood correctly and pertaining.  

The serpent represents wisdom!  This is why Jesus told us that we must be as wise as the serpent.

You appear to be focussed on the Devil in most of your posts.  This is not good!  How does the "Saviour" let you see, if your Spiritual eyes are not open?  In fact, you condemn everyone on this board for attempting to open theirs.  What curiosity?

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Please dont trust this world and men with PHD's. They are the gatekeepers and keep you in ignorance in order to be worshipped as gods.

You have just claimed that "men" with education are not to be trusted. It is ignorance alone that keeps us where we are.  You should know.  You plant it all over this site as though you understand it all...shame and a sin.  FYI: we are responsible for what we say!

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Trust in Christ. He is the Divine Child of the Universe that can never leave the state of Innocence. He is valued by God above all others. He will never fall. The Alpha and the Omega. You will not go wrong if you believe in His Perfect Name.

You have no idea what Alpha and Omega mean.  Yet, you preach to others as though it's second nature.

Allan- you have no understanding and condemn everyone, isolating them and the world from you.  NOW, who's being controlled by the Devil?  (One tells the tree by the fruit)  After all, you (by your own words) appear to be pre-occupied with the Devil.  Nobody else is tauting his name, etc... except to alleviate your ignorance.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Jesus taught love and compassion. Where's the love man? All you need is love.

[Allanon]

I am dealing with people here that DO NOT accept Christ as the Saviour. You are all under the control of the Devil or the Serpent. The Serpent is a liar and you need to reject his false dreams. I speak of the devil much on this site because that is the spiritual state you are in. That of servitude to sin and the Devil. Quite simple. If you are not for Christ you are against Him. That is why I have to beat it into your heads about Satan.

Mediumship
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All this and more that you "preach" here is false teaching and must be stood up against with the Truth. I have said enough here and the seed of Truth is now in your minds. Whether you continue to follow occult practices and the lies of Satan is your deal.

Christ wil never forsake you and Loves you all but the day will come when the Book of Life is closed. Are you sure you are going to be included. I Hope so.

Believe in Jesus!!!!

[Adrian]

Greetings Allanon,

I think you will find most people here are realists and genuine seekers of the truth by experience. Few follow the creed and dogma of a book which has been contrived and written by man over many centuries, and which is only loosely based upon fact. There is no true original bible, it simply does not exist. This is not to say the bible does not contain some historical records, and teachings which might be of value to some people, however, the only thing which can support the bible in absolute terms is the bible itself.

I have to suggest to you in all honesty; if you persist in these beliefs and mindset until you pass on, when you do pass on you will surely find a world full of people like yourself all clutching bibles, and full of churches and other religious icons. You will be able to preach to each other all day in full agreement, and attend a church for a sermon any time you like. You might even get to see an image of Jesus and a few Angels. All of this is due to fundamental Universal laws of attraction, correspondence and vibration. The name for this place is a "belief system territory", and is considered by most to be a hell and most certainly well below the mid-Astral where most decent people will find peace, harmony, tranquility love and truth.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

Jesus taught love and compassion. Where's the love man? All you need is love.

Love does not work without UNDERSTANDING.  In order to acquire understanding, one must seek WISDOM.  Logic and wisdom are the tools of the trade for Spiritual investigators.

Buddha taught love and compassion, too.  In fact, there is NOTHING that the Buddha taught that conflicts with the teachings of Jesus.  Jesus came to this world to die- period.  His death enabled his etheric body to merge with our world making the future possible.  Most of his teachings were already spoken of before he came, by design.

I would change the phrase, "All you need is love," to, "All you need is love AND understanding." []

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

I am dealing with people here that DO NOT accept Christ as the Saviour.

I AM tolerating one who does not possess understanding.  Personally, I DO NOT accept your ignorance. [)]

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You are all under the control of the Devil or the Serpent. The Serpent is a liar and you need to reject his false dreams.

Phrased like a true materialist.  When one interprets a Spiritual book materialistically, one is bound to fall into error. [xx(]

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I speak of the devil much on this site because that is the spiritual state you are in. That of servitude to sin and the Devil. Quite simple.

Your retort is incomplete and incorrect (i.e. GOO!).  Your sentence structure depicts that you do not assemble your thoughts completely and correctly.  The fact that you do not recognize this and fix it, represents that you are ignorant, lazy, and disrespectful toward the Word.  Quite simple. [B)]

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If you are not for Christ you are against Him.

I AM all for Christ.  I do not subscribe to you points of view, as they are baseless. [:I]

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That is why I have to beat it into your heads about Satan.

This is called Spiritual warfare.  More precisely, you are raging war on our spirits...shame and a sin.  The least you could do is get your facts straight!  (You do owe that to us)

Ah, you intend to beat Satan into our heads.  No kidding!  Yikes!  ...pa rum-pa-pa-pum... [V]

FYI: you wouldn't have to "beat anything into anyone's head," if you possessed the wisdom that Jesus spoke of continuosly throughout the Bible.  IGNORACE is NOT a substitute for WISDOM.

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There is good and evil in this world.  "As is above, so is below."  Surely you can work with this? [:O]

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All this and more that you "preach" here is false teaching and must be stood up against with the Truth. I have said enough here and the seed of Truth is now in your minds.

Are you casting a spell on us? [}:)]

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Whether you continue to follow occult practices and the lies of Satan is your deal.

The Bible is an occult book.  It contains many references to occultism (i.e. that which is beyond the 5 senses).  At least Satan doesn't beat IGNORANCE into our heads!  Satan despises ignorance, too.  Perhaps, that's why he picked you to be his poster boy? []

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Christ wil never forsake you and Loves you all but the day will come when the Book of Life is closed. Are you sure you are going to be included. I Hope so.

Hang on, let me leave my body; go to Akashic (i.e. The Book of Life) and check for myself.  Yup- there I am!  How about yourself? [?]

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Believe in Jesus!!!!

However, do not believe in Allanon!!! [^]

[Allanon]

Keeping to my word this is Chill's post not mine but I think it sums up what I have been trying to convey better than my original post so read up!!

The first post of this thread is about a 'spirit-war'. This is something I had been (perhapse intuitively) thinking about many years ago, when I was borderline mystic - probably borderline crazy.

Someone might have planted some seed in my brain because tonight I did a search on 'spiritual warfare', that phrase was probably used in this thread. I hope so. In any case I see that many Christians are taking the threat very seriously and quite litterally. There are some 'ministries' and 'churches' which specialize in spiritual warfare.

Every one is looking for a groupe of people - or beings - to pull a finger at. Everyone, I mean Christians, are looking for false prophets.

I have my own problems with the New Age Dogma. 3 problems, mainly. Number uno : emphasis on the ego, the dogma is very egotistical, and from my experience much of the hell we experience on this earth is caused by our ego ; Number two : wishful thinking, how one can create his own reality by 'positive thinking' alone. Problem 3 : relativism of 'good' and 'evil', nothing is bad or good, we only are either in a place of LOVE or fear, poor sense of moral ethics. Not that it promotes any sort of evil-doing, mind you. Maybe I will talk more about this.

Here is some interesting info. I would like to get your feedback on this. That would help me. Thank you.

The Demonic ET Hypothesis
SOME PHILOSOPHICAL AND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THESE MESSAGES
While there seems to be evidence for UFO related activties as mentioned above, perhaps there are other possible explanations. Many UFO paranormal, psychic, and spiritistic manifestations, etc.5,6. Many abductees, contactees and researchers believe there is an interdimensional or multidemensional quality to the UFO phenomena and experiences with ET's. . Although the UFO phenomena maybe real it also could be a holigraphic illusion or a transmorification of matter and energy. Perhaps ET's are entities that have power to shape matter and spirit. Some alien lifeforms seem to have an ability to shape shift and appear and disappear 5,6. Dr. J. Allen Hyneck suggested the phenomena appears to be more psychic than extra-terrestial and perhaps comes from a parallel world. This also seems to be Dr. Vallee's explanation 6, 9.
Dr. Vallee also notes that there are authoritarian overtones to some of the messages given to contactees 8 ie. democracy is obsolete, elections should be done away with 4, racist idealogies are encouraged - some have more alien DNA etc., a New World Order is needed and will be set up with alien help. He also believes that some kind of control system is being set up by the UFO phenomena which challenges our traditions and human beliefs systems 6,8. Many abductees report implants and feel they are being manipulated for some unknown purpose that's yet to be revealed.

Much of the messages given to abductees and contactees seem to be New Age in philosophical orientation and language: there are no moral absolutes, reincarnation is taught, monistic beliefs such as a vague "kinship with the Cosmos and it's oneness with the Universe or the Universe as a supreme being" are common, we are being told that "we stand on the precipice of a quantum leap forward on both a biological and spiritual level." Man is or is becoming God...etc. 3,13.

If man is one with the cosmos or some impersonal concept of God there cannot be a basis for truth or ethics. The impersonal, as such is silent about such things. There is no basis for saying anything is right or wrong if all is one with God. What you are left with is total relativism or the arbitrary absolutes of the controllers who ever they may be. "If All is One , good and evil are reconciled, then one can can do nothing bad; thus Manson was only acting logically....the fact that Manson's followers knew him as both Satan and Christ highlights the collapse of distinctions between good and evil under moral relativity".13.

As well, finite alien creators cannot provide sufficent absolutes. You have the same problems as pagan polytheisium - the gods are too small to account for the creation of the universe and not good enough to provide a basis of morals and truth. Is abducting and raping women okay if extra-terrestials do it? Also, why all the authoritorian overtones to some of the messages? Do they really have our best intrest in mind or is there evidence of some kind of control system?

There are several alien types taking credit for the creation of man and now some contactees like Rael and Benjamine Cream are claiming to be prophets of some messianic authority. In fact Rael is claiming to be the new final prophet and chosen "Messiah" of this age...chosen by a group of extra-terrestials who call themselves the Eloheim who told Rael that they created the human race through genetic engineering. Rael has over 35,000 followers world wide who call themselves Raelians...and they wish with the Eloheim's help -to usher in a world government ruled by an autoritarian elite. 4.

Cream is promoting another "messiah" he calls "Maytrea". Full page ads in newspapers around the world has announced that this world teacher is in the world to-day. Cream is also convinced that the intelligences behind the crop circle phenomena are paving the way for the soon unveiling of his messiah who will usher in a New World Order and a New Age.

Skye Ambrose, a famous abductee who was "born again" as she said as a result her encounter with a strange "grey" type alien with bright sparkling eyes predicted at a recent UFO conference in Bellevue, Washington; that "evolution was entering a "peak cycle" that will create a New Order on the planet. Polarization is occuring on this planet to separate those who will accept the message and evolve toward Unity and Oneness and self-realized Godhood and those who will not not."

Many alien prophesies to contactees of the 50's or to-day have failed to come true or appear to be outright lies. 14. Many contactees and abductees to-day are again delivering warnings of coming earth changes and disasters along with promises of help from aliens...they feel choosen to deliver a message to mankind ...the prophesies are creating a false hope and dependancy in their abductors who they know little about.

So what are we dealing with? New Age aliens with some promise of a golden age or some unimaginable deception to enslave undescerning minds. The evidence seems to point to the latter. There have been many false messianic claims and those foolish enough to repeat history by following the voices of deceiving entities have been warned to "beware of false prophets and Christs who come disguised as sheep but underneath are ravenous wolves ".10 We should be reminded of the likes of Adolf Hitler who not long ago promised a New Age to unsuspecting Germans.

Whitley Striber, in a recent issue of the monthly MUFON Journal, Sept. 93, states - "I've come away from this experience convinced of one thing: if there aren't demons out there, there might as well be, because these guys are indistinguishable from demons. Indistinguishable. To see them, to look into their eyes, is to be less - forever......." Striber seems to swing from horror to naieve trust.. you see this in his books and statements to the public. Perhaps, he is not so sure of the visitor's intentions.

Perhaps we should heed the old warning; 'If, anyone says to you then, "Look, here is the Christ" or, "He is there", do not believe it; for false Christ and false prophets will arise and produce great signs and portents, enough to deceive even the chosen , if that were possible."11

Some UFO researchers suggest that perhaps the so called 'aliens' aren't much of a threat, after all if they have been around for this long and have not taken over then why should we be concerned. However, if they are not what they appear to be, and the phenomena has other potientials and realities which include: deception, false messianic claims, dangerous ideologies, the formation of cults, etc., then for historical, social and political reasons we should not abandon our need for discernment and caution.

1. The Fellowship, by Brad Steiger.
2. Ibid pp. 47
3. Ibid pp. 185
4. The Messages Given To Me By The Extra-terrestials -Rael
5. Operation Trojan Horse- John Keel pp. 200-232
6. Dimensions- Dr. Jacque Vallee
7. Transformation The Breakthrough- Whitley Striber pp. 180, 240.
8. Messengers of Deception- Dr. J. Vallee. Last chapter.
9. UFO'S in the New Age- William M. Alnor , Baker Book House 1992.
10. Matthew 7:15-20
11. Matthew 24: 23-28, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-6, 1 Thess 2:1-12.
12. Teachings of the Pleadians- Bringers of the Dawn.
13. Understanding the New Age- Russell Chandler, Word Publishing, 1988.
14. Deuteronomy 18:9-22.

ps : From what I have seen, Rael is nothing but a clown. But I don't know THAT MUCH about his cult.

Any thoughts ?

[James S]

Ok Allanon, of the six replicas of Chill's post that you've pasted all over the forum I'm leaving this one in tact just to show that this is a point you want to get across.

I don't know what agreement you made with Chill, but please don't waste everyones time by pulling a stunt like this again.

In future use your own words and keep them relevant to the topic or dont post anything at all.

James.
Your friendly moderator from hell [}:)]!

[DjM]

quote:Originally posted by Allanon

Keeping to my word this is Chill's post not mine but I think it sums up what I have been trying to convey better than my original post so read up!!
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Am I to imply that you cannot speak for yourself[?]  What is it that you are trying to convey- that we should adopt your beliefs, which you cannot convey yourself?

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The first post of this thread is about a 'spirit-war'. This is something I had been (perhapse intuitively) thinking about many years ago, when I was borderline mystic - probably borderline crazy.
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Isn't it a curiosity that you mention intuition?  Are you sure you're not a mystic?  

Gee, thanks for the personal insult (i.e. borderline crazy).  Earlier in the topic, you mentioned "men with education," and now you denigrate mystics.  Who's next?  It's obvious to one who has read the Bible that you don't understand a word of it.  Jesus did NOT go around denigrating individuals this way. [B)]

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Someone might have planted some seed in my brain because tonight I did a search on 'spiritual warfare', that phrase was probably used in this thread. I hope so. In any case I see that many Christians are taking the threat very seriously and quite litterally. There are some 'ministries' and 'churches' which specialize in spiritual warfare.
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I mentioned "spiritual warfare," after you boldly infomed us that you intended to beat your ignorance into our heads.

What threat?  You are the one who threatens to respond in every which way, but TRUTH.

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Every one is looking for a groupe of people - or beings - to pull a finger at. Everyone, I mean Christians, are looking for false prophets.
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If EVERYONE is a false prophet, no more truth can come into the world- period.  That which does not move UPWARD degenerates (i.e. death).

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I have my own problems with the New Age Dogma.
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You certainly do.  In fact, you don't even understand your own dogma correctly. [:I]

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3 problems, mainly. Number uno : emphasis on the ego, the dogma is very egotistical, and from my experience much of the hell we experience on this earth is caused by our ego ;
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Yes, you are correct.  The Ego/I ("I AM") is very egotistical.  

We are supposed to be learning to develop it properly.  It stands to reason that those who are at a lower level of development are having problems with it.  For example, one who only looks to exploit others  (as opposed to service; what they can do for others) for their own good has a definite ego problem that can matriculate in many different ways.  Without wisdom, these problems are expected.

FYI: the ego/I is mentionend explicitly in the Lord's Prayer ("but deliver us from evil)", however, one must study the Christian Mysteries to gain understanding.

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Number two : wishful thinking, how one can create his own reality by 'positive thinking' alone.
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You moved from "wishful thinking" to "positive thinking."  These words have two different meanings.  You're not trying to deceive us, are you? [}:)]

Jesus saw the good in EVERYTHING.  Why don't you? [:I]

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Problem 3 : relativism of 'good' and 'evil', nothing is bad or good, we only are either in a place of LOVE or fear, poor sense of moral ethics. Not that it promotes any sort of evil-doing, mind you. Maybe I will talk more about this.
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Please don't talk more about this...I could hardly make sense of what you just stated.  [V]

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Here is some interesting info. I would like to get your feedback on this. That would help me. Thank you.
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What is your intent?  Do you seek understanding in these matters or have you already made up your mind about all of it?  The pursuit of wisdom will enable you to explain it all- not another's opinion.  After all, this is what Jesus advises.

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ps : From what I have seen, Rael is nothing but a clown. But I don't know THAT MUCH about his cult.

Any thoughts ?
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Once again, WISDOM is the key!  One tells a tree by the fruit.  It is not what I think about it; it's what you think about it. I sense that you're overwhelmed by the whole lot of it and cling to that which has only material backing (i.e. materialist).  A Spiritual book has to be understood via the Spirit! [^]

FYI: deceit also exists within material issues...you're going to have to face up to it at one point or another.  Acquiring wisdom will enable YOU to sort it all out.  In fact, this is what Jesus advises ("Wise as the serpent; gentle as the dove").  Without it, you're like a ship being tossed about in the sea.

[Narrow Path]

quote:Once again, WISDOM is the key! One tells a tree by the fruit. It is not what I think about it; it's what you think about it. I sense that you're overwhelmed by the whole lot of it and cling to that which has only material backing (i.e. materialist). A Spiritual book has to be understood via the Spirit!

FYI: deceit also exists within material issues...you're going to have to face up to it at one point or another. Acquiring wisdom will enable YOU to sort it all out. In fact, this is what Jesus advises ("Wise as the serpent; gentle as the dove"). Without it, you're like a ship being tossed about in the sea.

[TheLunatic]

What I'd like to know is how does Allonon know he's not doing Satan's work by trying to convert people to his beliefs Christians base everything they say on the bible. Allonon didn't get his bible from god directly so how does he know that the devil didn't edit it up and make it say all this evil devil related stuff.

Don't you think the devil would have corrupted the Christian church by now since it's been 2000 years? Humm lets see last time I checked preist like to molest small boy's. Christians killed billions of people and had holly wars (no war waged by man in god's name is valid) and the Christian religion is one of the most popular religions around.

So being that Christians are everywhere and there are more now then any time in the past I ask the question why is the world in such a bad condition. Well that's because Christian zombie's don't make good people. I'm surrounded by Christians and they are the WORST people I have to deal with. They LIE and cheat their way thought life more than anyone else. I'm not trying to say that all Christians are bad but I'd much rather deal with someone who doesn't smile as they are stabling me with a knife...

If I walked up to allonon on the street and said I was Jesus and here is my new bible he would spit in my face. But when he gets a book that was written by some random people thousands of years ago that he never met and has no idea of what their motives where he believes it without question.  It's makes me laugh to know that people are so foolish that they will believe whatever they are told as long as it's the popular thing to do and they are threatened with eternal damnation.

Bottom line Allonon I don't think most of us here are ignorant enough for you to convert. You might wanna go try and convert some 3rd world people that don't have any food. I hear that you can make people agree to anything when they are starving to death...

[Narrow Path]

quote:What I'd like to know is how does Allonon know he's not doing Satan's work by trying to convert people to his beliefs Christians base everything they say on the bible. Allonon didn't get his bible from god directly so how does he know that the devil didn't edit it up and make it say all this evil devil related stuff.

Don't you think the devil would have corrupted the Christian church by now since it's been 2000 years? Humm lets see last time I checked preist like to molest small boy's. Christians killed billions of people and had holly wars (no war waged by man in god's name is valid) and the Christian religion is one of the most popular religions around.

So being that Christians are everywhere and there are more now then any time in the past I ask the question why is the world in such a bad condition. Well that's because Christian zombie's don't make good people. I'm surrounded by Christians and they are the WORST people I have to deal with. They LIE and cheat their way thought life more than anyone else. I'm not trying to say that all Christians are bad but I'd much rather deal with someone who doesn't smile as they are stabling me with a knife...

If I walked up to allonon on the street and said I was Jesus and here is my new bible he would spit in my face. But when he gets a book that was written by some random people thousands of years ago that he never met and has no idea of what their motives where he believes it without question. It's makes me laugh to know that people are so foolish that they will believe whatever they are told as long as it's the popular thing to do and they are threatened with eternal damnation.

Bottom line Allonon I don't think most of us here are ignorant enough for you to convert. You might wanna go try and convert some 3rd world people that don't have any food. I hear that you can make people agree to anything when they are starving to death...

Three points Lunatic....

One

God's Word is Perfect and no matter how corrupt man is, the Word of God is unchangeable.

2 Samuel 22
31 "As for God, his way is perfect;
the word of the LORD is flawless.
He is a shield
for all who take refuge in him.


Proverbs 30
5 "Every word of God is flawless;
he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.


Two

If you walked up to me and said that you were the Christ I would refute it due to simple scriptural references.

Mark 13
22For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible.


Three

You may not know it but the only key you have is the key of your will. Christ holds all other keys. Period. The only Way you will ever find peace is to give your only key to Him. Christians are no better than anyone else except they have the advantage of being backed up by the Son of God at the judgement.

Even if the most vile of people tells you the Truth of Christ I will still rejoice because....

Philippians 1
18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.