One Karmic school might argue that you are burning through lives worth of good Karma to maintain this one. Yes your Karma guage is pointing positive, but that doesn't mean the flow isn't negative.
You don't state anything positive in your life to offset 10 years of addiction and who knows how many years of drug dealing. Sorry, that's the way I read your post. Making friends easily isn't a positive, in fact it can come from many things, some quite negative.
Sexual addiction is a whole seperate issue, with all kinds of reprocussions if taken to excess. It can lead to a very deep dark emptyness and sex is replaced for love in your life.
To be quite candid, you have classic symptoms of NEG involvement. Whether the NEG is a construct or Astral native remains to be seen. You may have some talent, but it is used to further the NEG's aims. I think you could use a few weeks in some quiet mountains, and a very thorough reading? I get the impression the post was an attempt to self rationalize your state as "good" when deep down you know it,s bad?
Interesting, that's the most I've ever unloaded on someone on this board...
I see no evidence of outside (neg) influcence at all.
What I do see is the effect of increasing awareness of reality and a resulting subconscious attempt to escape from the realization.
Come on guys, let's not drag the frelling negs out again. Especially when there's no apparent and justified reason to. Please please just once someone suggest something other than a bogeyman. Please?
2cents & L&L
Jouni
These were the ways I perceived things, and I asked for others views on them and actually Rastus made me realize something that didnt occur to me.
Though seemingly positive attributes can be outwardly affecting, this does not mean they are overall a good thing, especially for the individual.
I agree with you both on different levels. I am just trying to get different points of views, because I'd like to figure out how to become a healthy individual and spirit.
I dont think I am trying to rationalize being "good" when I am aware of the "bad" i have wrought upon myself, though of course we all hope for the best for ourselves and seek insight from others.
The only other thing I have to say is that I am aware of myself, my actions and the environments role upon me enough that I take the initiative to better myself. Mainly what rastus said, taking time for myself. In fact I just returned from a month of a "vacation" you could say where the majority was taken place in the mountains coming to terms with many things in life. It was beautiful, serene, I bathed in rivers and waterfalls and relaxed in hotsprings with a good friend.
I do have yet to get a good reading, let alone any reading.
Thank you for your responses though.
I didn't mean to be hostile, I just what with the impressions as I typed. I know Jilola's opinions on the N-word [:P] But I've had to deal with 2 in the past 10 days. NEG's can be self generated constructs in my lexicon.
Addictions in any form are bad, hence my comment on the reading. Perhaps the vacation lessened the affects enough for you to realize something isn't quite right? A feeling in your soul something needs to change? Your talking to someone that was clinically depressed for 20+ years, yet still practiced all kinds of things. Only in hindsight can I see the difference, and now it's such a huge difference. We are probably a lot alike in that respect?
I dont doubt it in the least.
I didnt take any of your critiques to be hostile, your speaking to a very open artist so Ive heard pretty much everything and I know what is hostile and what is meant as a review.
thanx though[;)]
Rastus:quote:
I know Jilola's opinions on the N-word
[:D] Yeah. I pounce. No worries.
Aileron: A list such as the one you posted is an excellent way of gaining an objective perspective to what's going on in your life. Writing it down and having to think while doing so should make the easier to handle as they no longer seem too big and imposing.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
the fact that you do have many qualities doesn't mean that your flaws are ok
when you do good deeds you receive good, but that doesn't mean that your bad karma is gone, it's just waiting
happy to acknowledge your progress, keep it up
(speaks under the weight of alcohol)
I wish I knew what progress meant.
I wish I could forgive myself.....the things I have done.
Some of us have eternity to suffer, even if outwardly we want to believe good is happening.
We do have that ability, to bring good into our lives, but I dont know. It seems like, no matter what I do, who I help or take care of, or how I attempt to redeem myself, I still wait, frozen in time, agonizing, but, also appreciating the punishments I deserve.
Id like to say Im a good person, and those who know me would, but they don't know me as I do, and I can truly say that I am not.
There is something wrong.
I have yet to find what it is.....
this is not meant to be melodramatic, I just gave in to myself and have had some to drink, which I hadnt for a few weeks until now. I tend to become overly emotionally rationalizing...which is contradictive I know, but there is only so much someone can do in a moment.
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Originally posted by Aileron
(speaks under the weight of alcohol)
I wish I knew what progress meant.
I wish I could forgive myself.....the things I have done.
There is no such thing as Karma... not in the way most people are 'led' to believe ! There is no rule making you have to suffer for any actions from other lives here, no Spirit telling you to have a crappy life this time because you were a bad little boy/murderer/rapist/etc/etc in your last life.
We
use Karma to create and work on contracts with other beings, to create particular experience avenues for our own growth and to insure that these things do come to fruition.
Karma is the mechanics, much like a car that moves us around the country. So we make a choice to experience certain things... and then we do them, gaining the experience of it without judging or adding any emotional baggage to it.. meaning we do not see it as good or evil from the awareness level of Soul.
So why do we humans have to give an experience this type of emotional/judgemental tag ?
Why anyone would want to judge you for your drug use and other activites is beyond my reasoning. Each of us have our own addictions, and very few people have the strength to OWN them in public. What you did was brave by human standards, and enlightening from a Soul's perception.
You are experiencing awakening, just the same as many other people are now. You do not need to carry your guilt any further... leave it behind or it will become an anchor chain around you, stopping you from moving forward much more.
Remember that you made the choices about this life before you incarnated here, so the easy-ness of your current experience was included in your vast itinery for this life. So Karma has nothing to do with it except in being the mechanics of your Soul's choices, it is the bringer of the bigger choices we made for this life's framework.
There is no such a thing as Karma in the way most people have been led to believe. That needed repeating. [:P]
Be gentle on yourself, because many of us are our own worst enemy, we are too judgememntal of ourselves because we do not come up to our own ridiculously high expectations of ourself. So be gentle with you.
Love Always. [:)]
thank you. That is a different way for me to view it. Im trying to overcome the guilt, to be better to myself, but sometimes we make the mistake of not recognizing that same pit we have fallen into so many times before.
I would apologize for the over emotional post, but Im not ashamed of the ways I act, they are who I am after all.
(See, Im trying[|)])
thanks agains.
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There is no such thing as Karma... not in the way most people are 'led' to believe ! There is no rule making you have to suffer for any actions from other lives here
I think there definitely is such a thing as karma, but I agree that any viewpoint on it is likely to be simplistic. I think it absolutely does incorporate a rule that if you inflict suffering on others you will suffer in the future. This is a very unpopular opinion in some new-age circles, and provokes blind emotive reactions when you apply it to the great injustices of humanity, like wars. So I'll talk about mice instead.
1) Karma can seem unfairly judgemental. For instance, if a mouse is born with no tail, it doesn't help him if the other mice say it was because he bit off another mouse's tail in a previous life, or he mercilessly ridiculed the other mices' inferior tails.
2) Karma is scary. If you believe in karma, and in fact realise that the only reason you have been born on Earth is because you have karma to work out, this implies you are sometimes going to suffer to a greater or lesser degree, and eventually (gasp!) die. Perhaps a half hour session of mouse-karma cleansing will make up for all that cheese you stole? Yeah right!
3) Belief in karma can seem to disempower you. But if I have all this karma and the mouse-karma cleansing won't work how am I going to dream my loving cheesey-reality of goodness and light? It takes courage to accept that you simply do not have control over everything that happens. Life will throw cheese at you, fleas at you, and the occasional owl.
But these things do not make karma less real, even if they are ideas that make you itchy. So just what is a mouse to do about karma? You can share your surplus cheese, so you might have more cheese in the future, you can groom your fellow mice so you might have fewer fleas in the future, and when the great owl descends, it may be one who does not play with its food.
Aileron said:
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All the things in my life make me very curious about my past life, and if I could I would have a past life reading at least to see a glimpse of what I should maybe try and concentrate on and also try to avoid, though sometimes it is pretty obvious.
I forget who it was, I think a Zen monk, once said in relation to karma and reincarnation, "If you want to understand the present look to the past, if you want to know the future look at what you are doing now."
It sounds like you've reached what you feel is a kind of turning point, and you say the 'karmic flow is positive'. If the flow's positive, you're headed for the ocean. Cool!
Interesting view.
If there was one creature humanity should be likened with, the mouse would be a strong cogent of our figurative station in the universe.
It can seem that the cycles of past, present and future screen us for substance of our end, thus throwing those seemingly unavoidable owls our way.
It is definately the footing you take which lead you to that next step in the spiral staircase, and perhaps because partly of these opinions everyone is sharing and other circumstances, I am finding that my footing is becoming just that much more planted and stable.
Regard the past,
concentrate on the present,
and know the future.
(shrugs)
Little quotes are quite the comfort.
When i think of kamma and what it 'is' I am partial to the idea that kamma is just a statement of facts. You are here because of what came before. Just like Aileron said about the next step on the staircase, except for me the staircase is too solid of a thing to make an analogy to. It's not like there is a set path. You are completely free to walk where you will and if you do so with awareness then so much the better.
Of course, I've read theories on karma and how it is stored and processed and yadda yadda. Maybe it is good to know such things, but is knowing that going to help you with what is happening now? If you can be cool no matter what comes your way, then what is the point in worrying about what is going to happen. As they say, "Even this will change" ;)
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Originally posted by SomeBloke
1) Karma can seem unfairly judgemental. For instance, if a mouse is born with no tail, it doesn't help him if the other mice say it was because he bit off another mouse's tail in a previous life, or he mercilessly ridiculed the other mices' inferior tails.
2) Karma is scary. If you believe in karma, and in fact realise that the only reason you have been born on Earth is because you have karma to work out, this implies you are sometimes going to suffer to a greater or lesser degree, and eventually (gasp!) die. Perhaps a half hour session of mouse-karma cleansing will make up for all that cheese you stole? Yeah right!
3) Belief in karma can seem to disempower you. But if I have all this karma and the mouse-karma cleansing won't work how am I going to dream my loving cheesey-reality of goodness and light? It takes courage to accept that you simply do not have control over everything that happens. Life will throw cheese at you, fleas at you, and the occasional owl.
I forget who it was, I think a Zen monk, once said in relation to karma and reincarnation, "If you want to understand the present look to the past, if you want to know the future look at what you are doing now."
1. It is the other mice who are inflicting their Belief-System on the no-tail mouse, that is being judgemental, not karma
2. Scarey ? You are born here because the Soul you are CHOSE to be born here. You make the choices about which greater or lesser experiences you want to have.. it is part of your karma contracts. It is never forced upon us, we choose it because we are Great Souls without judgement who know that incarnation on this and other worlds is all about having the experiences that are available.
3. It is the not going with the flow that seems to be the not having of control. Karma cannot disempower us, it is not that powerful a mechanism. We disempower ourselves through the choices we make while incarnate. Imagine that all the billions of available choices we could make for our incarnation, could be drawn into a diagram.. it would look like a space-frame type lattice, that allows for variation with each and every choice made while incarnated here.
What control we do have is only in how we act/respond to all the impulses and options, and whether or not we can see the flow for our life and take the chances when they appear on the lattice/matrix. Then we can have some degree of control in this life, although certain choices may well be not available to you this time, according to the experience-intinery you chose.
If you want to know who and what you really are, what has brought you to this point in your earth series of incarnations, then re-experienceing your previous lives is a perfect means.
Do not have someone do a reading where they tell you all about the lives, find someone who will help you back to them for yourself to re-experience, and in this respect try not to use hypnosis for it's drawbacks of Suggestion.
Love Always. [:)]
Hi Tayesin,
The negative viewpoints on karma I put forward were really illustrations of why it's an uncomfortable belief for some people, which is why I said: "But these things do not make karma less real, even if they are idea that make you itchy."
1. It is the other mice who are inflicting their Belief-System on the no-tail mouse, that is being judgemental, not karmaI absolutely agree, but nevertheless if you are 100% happy and well and you make the statement that karma is the reason the other mouse has no tail it makes you sound judgmental, regardless of whether it's true or not. If you're talking about your own tail that's a different matter!
2. Scarey ? Some mice are scared that they have bad karma. Ideas such as mouse-karma cleansing when seen as a quick fix are manifestations of this fear.
3. It is the not going with the flow that seems to be the not having of control.I agree we have choices in life, including the choice whether to ride the tsunami or swim against it, but many mice find the notion of karma disempowering, and because of that they make a choice to disbelieve in it regardless of whether karma is real or not.
The big things we disagree on are:
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You are born here because the Soul you are CHOSE to be born here. You make the choices about which greater or lesser experiences you want to have.. it is part of your karma contracts. It is never forced upon us, we choose it because we are Great Souls without judgement who know that incarnation on this and other worlds is all about having the experiences that are available.
Karma cannot disempower us, it is not that powerful a mechanism.
I don't think we had a choice where we were born or whether to be born, we were swept here by our karma. You talk about great souls without judgement, I think the fact that karma is the natural way of things makes it unnecessary for them to judge. If you're born with no tail due to karma, you're disempowered from waving your tail. At least you won't get it caught in a mousetrap!
I don't think after you die it suddenly all becomes clear and you say ah yes! I think in my next lifetime I'll be the next Jerry/Itchy/Mouse-with-human-ear-on-back! Life is about choices and experiences, but I don't think that you get to plan out your next life from some disembodied higher form. 'What you are doing now' is sowing the seeds for those experiences.
There are exceptions, enlightened souls who choose to incarnate - I think this is what we are supposed to be working towards, you might say it's our real nature. But the fact we are here, unenlightened, bugged by fleas and harassed by owls, shows we aren't there yet.
Didn't want this to become a heavy discussion - people's views tend to be quite firmly established on subjects like this anyway so all we can do is compare notes [;)]
There is no good Karma and Bad Karma. Karma is just the set of options we have at a given time and thus the set of learning opportunities available to us.
Nothing says we have to choose this way or that or even that we have to choose at all.
Think of it like temperature. At some temps you have the option to make ice cream and in others boils eggs. But you can choose to order for a pizza as well.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
One of my favorite quotes, "All karma is, is justice without the satisfaction."
i have learned that karma it's not te punishement law...not a vendeta sisitem...
from what i have leared it's a protection system for the soul...a system to keep you on the right track / there is no bad(like drugs, or prostitution), or good(like whatever), experience for you...
if one must be killed this life. the acction of the one who is chosed(???) to kill will not be punished.
very relative system.
anyway very good books about karma i found to be Mr Lazarev's 8 volumes (i've reed 2... [:)] ).
I'm just wondering about others views on this.
Though I believe I am making up for some bad things I have done in the past, I also believe that I have done much good and have been reaping the rewards which do outweigh the bad currently.
Here are some examples of why I believe certain Kharmic flow is pointing in a positive direction. I am going to be admitting to certain things here which I am not too proud of:
* Somehow, though I have been involved with certain illegal activities in the past to the same level as almost all of my friends in that time, I am the only one who has somehow escaped legal pursuit or the hands of the law so to speak and even when in direct sight of the law still always managed to end up on the right side of what may call luck.
* I had been heavily involved with drugs for over ten years and though many would regard this as a waste in many aspects; physically, mentally, and emotionally, I have not only sustained my intellect but even in my own opinion become more aware and able in my talents and skills.
* I have problems sexually, specifically an addiction to it. I must be sexually active regularly to keep emotionally and mentally stable and though this seems like I'm boosting my own ego, am able to attain this easily because I have for some reason or another been blessed in many areas and talents. Keep note as well that I am very safe concerning this topic.
* I have certain abilities and skills that many lack, and not in mass amounts excepting specific areas, but many areas in minimal quantities. Meaning I have the intelligence and creativity to literally do or be anything I want and have pursued many interests even though I knew I wouldnt concentrate on them later in life. Examples; (Specific focus)Art, writing, and social understanding(i.e. working with children or those with disabilities,(secondary)psychology, archeology/anthro, politics, economics, business, martial arts, history, etc.
* I have an incredible knack for making friends. As I said above my social understanding seems to stand out. Because of my intelligence, humor, self-awareness and ability to admit my own faults I attract a wide range of people.
* I seem to see the details of strange occurances around me more readily than most. For instance I begin noticing comparisons in global-political events and the environment, numbers occuring and what they might mean to me and around me, understanding certain personalities and getting glimpses by way of what I call webbing of peoples lives.
these are just a few things.
The negative events in my life are less but effect me on a much deeper level because they are harder to get rid of. For instance my physiological health (i.e. my eyesight, acne, prone to coldsores, loss of memory and outbursts{due to drug use}, ADHD...and small hands. I have small hands{Shrugs8)})
I am putting these things on here not to boost my esteem, I dont need any, but because this will be the first time I ever brought to public these thoughts and I am curious as to what people think. Lately I have become a much more different person than I was not even two months ago. Clarity has embraced me like never before, I have passed beyond my obsession with my path on fate and how I use to just let things happen. I am listening more to what people have to say, and currently seem to just be on the right track.
All the things in my life make me very curious about my past life, and if I could I would have a past life reading at least to see a glimpse of what I should maybe try and concentrate on and also try to avoid, though sometimes it is pretty obvious.