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Originally posted by MakiZero
Everywhere I look I see mindless people apart of the system that know nothing of the truth.
And the truth is... ?
Sarah
Being human is very difficult and painful, but it is also very rare and precious!
Do not let others steal from you the value of what you can do and what you are. Open up to the fact that we are all in this together - transcend their unconscious aggressions and appetites.
Do not complain - step up yourself.
Sorry forgot to add that I'm not a sad person but I wish existence didn't exist. Maybe some of you know what I'm talking about.
If you 'wish existance didn't exist' then you are resisting your own existance - a very negative place to be.
Look a little higher, and you will see you are already there.
I often feel like you do, makizero.
Sometimes I just wish I can leave earth and become a pure spiritual being, but I believe we are here to get tested and to learn pain and sorrow.
for those that believe in the creator, had he created us into heaven with all the luxuries, we would quickly become bored with it and want something more.
The angels however don't have a will of their own so they can never rest and they do not need rest and luxurate, but they will always work for the creator.
Good point 19. Why didn't God just create us perfect???
My answer is we are. But how do we know we have free will? The only REAL way to get free will is to choose it - to be tested, and the only way to have to choose between alternatives is to be limited.
Our tests on earth and our ability to do as we please (within our limitations - with the caveat of transcendance) are God's greatest gifts. Enjoy.
hey maki, i know exactly what you'r feeling. I often think of that and its not that I mind being human, its just that I'm sick of being around the general close-minded people who care about the dumbest excrement. If only they could open their eyes and pull their head out of the ground. I'm thinkin' its gonna be awhile.. but oh well~
why should you care about others if you haven't cleared out yourself, you can do nothing about them becouse the choice is YOURS, as well as theirs, they have different lives and may have not experienced what have opened your eyes, partially that is
stop whining and go for enlightment, that's the reason why you are here, only humans have possibilities to reach it, and you can be damn sure that it took you eons to incarnate as a human, and a lot of good karma, try buddhism, buddha sorted it out (now, this is not preaching, it's only a path)
I am perfectly happy to be the flawed creature that I am. [:D] I see it more as a voyage that I don't want to become tired of. We all have such potential to discover, we're capable of so much and there's so much we can't understand.
I can't make a lot of difference in changing others, but I've got a lot of power over myself. I share my discoveries with others, and maybe I'll present to them something they're curious about toward starting down their own path of self-discovery.
Sure, we as humans are capable of evil, especially when no one's looking. But then again, if you are truly interested in personal development, you've removed at least one person (yourself) from being a victim to negativity. And who knows, maybe you'll find yourself rewarded somehow when you make it through this life that will make it all worthwhile. [:D]
Awareness is a growth phenomenon. It starts as a tiny seed within a self, then blossoms out.
When your awareness begins to enfold more and more of the world, including trying to see things from other person's views, you will find that everyone is very much like you. They are just doing their best to get by in what often seems like a demanding and even hostile place.
No one does bad things because they think they are bad. Even when an evil act is intentional, they think it is right - they think it is justice! - if they think about it at all. Most people, unfortunately, only know the way they feel, and perceive the world accordingly - but are they really responsible, being so unaware?
Where there is no consciousness, there can really be no responsibility, any more than a bullet can be responsible for a death.
you life is worthwhile, not some naive reward supposedly awaiting after death, if you don't think so, think again and look within yourself what is wrong
i agree with kiauma, how can you blame people for what they doing if they are unaware ??, if they would become aware, there would be less suffering, but to show them a path you have to travel it yourself ...
ignorance is not a bliss, it's a slow starving death
all the evil needs to manifest is the apathy of good
all suffering comes from ignorance and apathy, think for yourself
I would love to be a jaguar stalking through a jungle, a bird soaring through the skys, or a fish swimming in the ocean. But for now I will learn what being manifested as a human has to teach me.
It is wonderful and enlightening to experience these other consciousnesses - just don't forget who you are. ;)
heh, you can always project to those, still it wouldn't be the same, but i think that you wouldn't enjoy it, being hunted and eaten/killed/skinned, oh and don't forget about starving [;)]
Well each manifestation has something to teach us. There is no guarantee that as a human I won't be eaten, killed, or starve either, but that is just part of life here.
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Originally posted by kiauma
- just don't forget who you are. ;)
I have to find out who I am before I can forget. [:)] Or maybe I have forgotten and need to remember.
Alot of humans don't know where their going in this life, so they do crazy things, they are lead astray by their own false assumptions of this world. So they do anything they want, even harming others and they have no regret or sad feelings, such individuals have impurified, both physically and spiritually.
I have considered shooting someone who has messed with me big time, but then it occured to me that he couldn't help being the dumb animal the womb coded him to be, and shooting him would be an easy way out of the hardships of this life.
So right now I am waiting for a stun gun which should give me enuff time to beat him and escape.
If I said anythin illegal let me know so i can delete.
Someone in this topic was talking about negative or dark energy as I call it which reminded me of something that happen to me long ago. This may sound crazy but one day I could feel the dark energy and it felt great. All I could see and feel was the darkness. In a way it was speaking to me. So what I'm saying is maybe the negative energy isn't so bad.
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Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature?
I don't feel flawed. My body has limitations that affect what I can be and do at the moment but I still am more than that.
Being incarnate is a challenge to see beyond the immediate reality, to read between the lines and behind the words. To stand tall despite limitations knowing there is more than meets the casual eye.
We are perfect beings in an imperfect setting.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
Perhaps this quote from comedian Steven Wrights 30 minute short film "One Soldier," can help.
"...so first we don't exist, then we're born. We live. Then we die. Then we stop existing.
So basically our lives are just an interuption of non-existance."
(i find that film personally satsifying as well as one of the funniest films I have ever seen)
MakiZero, the thing I hate, is being confused with Americans. Because I was born in the States, and I speak english, and have grown up moderately in middle america within most of the system, people think they have a right to call me American. That is an insult to me.
Im quite happy with being human, and in fact refer to myself as a human being when people want to label me as an American, because humans can accept their flaws and differences. Americans are just foolish and stubborn.
The thing I find most interesting, is that flaws are what allow us to understand our potential.
Whats really great about that idea, is that our flaws are limited in certain concepts which in itself is a flaw, therefore allowing us to reserve the paradox in understanding that our potential is limitless.
this makes sense in my head, but perhaps some would disagree....(shrugs) thats being human! [^]
when i mention 'close-minded people' I'm not necessarily talking about their spirituality, rather, the way people interect in our society. I see it a lot when it comes to our(US)government and all the pointless laws and BS that occur...I think it's because a lot of people are simply afraid of life. However, I dont blame people in their spirituality. I believe people will get their required experiences while they live. It's just whether they choose to listen to or ignore them.
Steven Wright ROCKS! [:D]
Makizero, are you sure it was 'the dark energy'?
Could it have been the void instead? The void is like that. The void is all unmanifested potential, out of which all comes and into which all goes. It is what defines existance, by being nonexistant, but it is not evil.
I have never experienced the void myself, but I have read references, and that is what it sounds like to me.
What I hate most is that our worthless bodies have so many limites.
We human could of been something great but no we are weak and useless.
Hrm, I used to think I was sick of being human. But now I think I'm sick of being attached to the idea that I am seperate from other people and thus I need to protect my self from others that are only concerned about their selves.
Human life can be fun and rewarding etc. I want to be a spiritual being, but I can do that here on earth too. Wherever you go the 'illusions' are going to be there. But reconizing their impermanent nature we can have fun with them dance with them and go on our happy little ways.
MakiZero, I can agree with you on a few things, being human can be quite frustrating and limiting, but think for a moment, it is those limits that difine us, you can constantly improve yourself with limits, but without those, what would be the point of doing anything at all, oh sure I can now blow up a star, but where is the fun in that if I can blow up a whole solar system (not that I would do this though) without having to improve myself and feel like I accoplished something.
Also I agree that the system needs to stop, people have gotten to the point where all they think that they should do in life is get a good job and have a family that they barely see because of said job. If everything would go back to the way things were, forest and grassy plains, instead of buildings and highways, I think this world would be a much better place to live. Working real hard work to grow food instead of making money just to buy things, sure you wouldn't have all these modern convinences and maybe people wouldn't live as long or be as healthy, but did anyone ever think that maybe this was a good thing in the long run, you know like, controling the population growth so that we don't use up all the planets resources.
I think that is really where things went from wrong, the monitary system, when money was invented, people could never have enough of it, because it made them feel powerful that they had more then others did.
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Originally posted by Aileron
Americans are just foolish and stubborn.
Errr ... Aileron, am I understanding you? Your description makes you sound like an American (born here, speak English, live here). Are you saying that you wish people would just see you as a human and not simply as someone from a country whose culture you don't approve of? I can understand that point of view. However, I can't agree with "all Americans are foolish and stubborn." I know many Americans who are not.
As for being human ... I get tired of humanity's drive for greed. I love most of the other things about being human. And if we weren't flawed, we'd have no way to grow. Growth is very satisfying to me. However, I wish that more humans were focused on growing spiritually and mentally, and less with economic growth.
I see many of you understand what I mean which is good. Now on to illusions if only some people could see that money is nothing more then paper. It's kind of stupid if ya think about it lol. People are killing over paper. Money is one of the many great illusions I was talking about also. Sure it gets you things but we need to remember it's only paper(nothing more).
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Now on to illusions if only some people could see that money is nothing more then paper.
Let me gues MakiZero - you don't have any money, right? [:P][;)]
Actually, money is energy. It is like electricity, which is neither good nor bad but can be used for either. You can get by without it, but it can be used to do many many (limitless!) things you could not otherwise do - just like electricity.
A better illusion is that our desires and appetites will give us joy and satisfaction. Yes, many are killed for money, but underneath the desire for money at the expense of others is greed and self-rightousness, and underneath that is unconsciousness of our true nature and our relationship to existance.
Oops, made an edit. [;)]
Money was just invented as a way to keep track of how much you owe someone, it would have been much better if we just traded the goods outright and not have to use the money for trade, when trading something that you have you lose something in return for getting something, working for paper so that you may buy something means that you really don't lose anything and now the other guy also has to use the money that you gave him to get something in return, seems more long winded to me. Imagines it now. "Yes I will take some of your fruit." "Ok, well I get your cat, deal" "Deal."
Theoretically, Van-Stolin, that is fine, but I think in practice it could be very unwieldy and confusing. And besides, in modern society, who produces enough of a physical 'thing' themselves to buy, say, a car or a house? How would you pay taxes? How would you equate apples to oranges? And what about people who make light bulbs for a living - or draw maps? And how would you equate an apple grown on the coast, where cost of living is very high, with one grown in a hothouse in a desert region, where land is 'dirt cheap'?
As complex a concept money is, I think it really simplifies many things. In any case, 'what-if' is fruitless, so to speak. [;)]
Money is an instrument designed to tally the excess of what a person or entity has. Nothing more.
It is a fiction of counting things one doesn't need but wants to display contrasted to others who don't have the same. In other words a device for boosting an ego rather than for furthering the god of oneself and humanity.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
My dear Jilola, surely you could live in a nice abode without an ego - but without money??
Good luck. [:P]
Yes, it is a fiction of societal consent - a convenience of consensus. It is everything, and nothing.
No, you don't need money to live - but try doing anything without it! It sure makes everything a LOT easier. [;)]
I expected that argument.
It is tru that at the present state of affairs denoucing money would be stupid to say the least.
But given a chance for society to reform and regroup without inventing money and relying instead on communal co-operation and the kind of spiritual attitude toward life many people on these forums exhibit money would be unnecessary.
Why is it necessary to pay bits of paper for the food everyone should have if a community does what it's supposed to do? Why would someone want to stash away tokens for more food/shelter/goods thann said person is ever capable of consuming? The idea is silly but we have to live with it.
What I'd like to see the future of humanity to be is a society where the necessities of life would be given rather than earned (and the planet and humanity could easily provide that given the necessary goodwill and enlightened view of life.)
The sad thing is that mankind has a lightyear to go before the majority can think beyond their noses, let alone think about another person's nose.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
I like you jilola, you said things much better then I could put into words. That is exactly what I was trying to get across, money doesn't have to be a nessesity in socity, people got along great without it and the world was a beautiful place in that time, now with the econmic growth, the world is in bad shape and all becuase people wanted more money.
Naiad780
I am sorry, I should have been more clear, but I didnt want my political opinions to make a mess of the topic.
To put clearly what I meant, first I should say that yes, I am American born, english speaking though with mixed blood as with all of us. Scottish/Slavic/Dutch/Cherokee.
My meaning, was that in the cliche taking of the term American, I am speaking of the patriotic proud narrow politically minded individuals. Without getting into any political debate, I mean basically any platform. Democracy itself.
When I speak of American, I mean the hypocritical division of cultures. I mean of the historical errors this nation has made in its course of growth over the years.
When I speak of a human living/born in america, I talk of those peoples of all races and cultures in and outside of the country.
I must admit it might seem a tad narrow itself in the sway of things, but I don't see as any current events going on now which make me proud to be an American, especially with the country being run the way it is, by who it is being run by.
I find it a much more beautiful thing to be proud of our global heritage, than our national heritage during todays blinding social and cultural sparks.
I shouldnt have just blatantly described my feelings of the "stereotypical" American in my own views. But they are my own.
I too feel the same way. Humans are terrible creatures even though there are some of us who are very nice and act no wrong there is darkeness and the ability to do evil in every heart, its just our choice not to do it. Humans think they are above all animals just because we have "more intelligence" well we only have a supiror brain because we have no other natural defenses. We have no fur so we know to make blankets and we have no claws so we make wepons.
So yes sometimes I see no need to be human and I feel sorry for the animals and future of our race.
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Originally posted by Wronski Feint
Humans think they are above all animals just because we have "more intelligence"
Humans spend most of the their time doing something they do not wish to do just so they can get those things they do want. Sit in a cubical all day doing the work of someone else. All the while animals are out in the fresh air, running around (flying, swimming), having sex, playing, etc. Hmmm who is the more intelligent creature?
humans, of course
the problem is that the animals use their intelligence for their own needs, and intelligence uses humans for it's own needs
to put it simple: most people don't know what they want, and just take for granted what is sold to them (in schools, tv, books, - media, through friends, parents- society)
the disease became normal, as frank said
Money may be bad, but greed is good. It motivates people to work harder, be creative, make something no one else had even thought of. It wasn't generousity that got us where we are, it was greed. Look at the world around you. Compare it to the one we had 10 years ago. Do you notice any improvements? Everything has improved(for better or worse), and the sole reason for this was greed. Our computers get faster every month, not because Intel wants to genuinely give us better processors, but because AMD wants our money too and we will only give it to the one with the faster processor. Our cars perform better and get more comfortable every year. Our beds get comfortable, our TVs get bigger, our internet gets faster and our houses get safer. Money might be a flawed concept, but it has made my world a better place(your world might not look so good). Just because a lot of bad things happen because of money, doesn't mean that bad things wouldn't have happened if it wasn't here.
The apparent reason for development and advance is greed.
But there isn't really any proof to that is there?
People would develop things just the same since having more efficient things is better than having inefficient things. Greed has nothing to do with the tendency.
If something is seen worthwhile it will be developed. Greed, however, causes companies and marketers to develop things we don't need and the want for which actual drags us down into the ego loops.
2cents & L&L
Jouni
I disagree with your idea on greed. I think the opposite actually. Greed is what causes progression to grind to a hault. It locks up political systems, having the politicians work for their own desires instead of that of the people. Companies will create products of lesser quality to increase profits. Most true advancements come about not from greed but from people who truly wish to make a difference. Those that are just in it for the money usually do not make anything very profound. Granted people with good ideas might make money off of their progress, but motive behind it is rarely money.
Money is really not a necessity, only in our current society. If we would change how we see things then we could do away with it. I actually find our money system rather limiting. As people have said, with money you can do things and make things happen, but that only lasts as long as the money lasts. If there was no money or the idea of exchanging service for payment then there would be no limits. Cancer (or any kind of) research is limited by the amount of money that is available. If there was no money system there would be no limits in our search for advancement. It would be like the Star Trek utopian idea of humans drive not being for finanical gain but for the advancement of mankind.
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If there was no money system there would be no limits in our search for advancement.
I find this thinking kind of hard to follow. Any research, like cancer research, is an exptremely complex activity, cutting across many many disciplines, from statistics to food to nuclear physics. In order to be able to control and have access to so much diverse knowledge, as well as organise and maintain all the labors involved, some system of cross valuation must be devised, like money. Money is the single point where they all cross. This is a tremendous power, which otherwise would make an organised study impossible.
I feel the thought that the elimination of money would create a utopian society is naive, to say the least. Sure, we would have none of the problems of money - but neither would we have any of the benefits. In order for a society to work, there has to be a mechanism of labor cooperation. Money is what we use, and it doesn't matter really what you used, it would be money. Let's say you wanted to trade 'time' - an hour's worth of labor being the standard. Well then, there must be some standard with which to compare everyone's labor, there must be some way of recording it, and there must be some way of transporting it. The easist way to do all that would be to print 'notes' that show each division of 'labor' that you have 'earned'. These then could be traded for other goods and services, with the difference given back to you in smaller divisions of the notes. Sound familiar?
Money is not the problem. And above greed, I see that people need to be aware - aware of what they are buying, what they are paying for, of what their leaders are doing and what their agenda is.
Now, in politics, I see plenty of problems! [xx(]
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Originally posted by kiauma
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If there was no money system there would be no limits in our search for advancement.
I find this thinking kind of hard to follow. Any research, like cancer research, is an exptremely complex activity, cutting across many many disciplines, from statistics to food to nuclear physics. In order to be able to control and have access to so much diverse knowledge, as well as organise and maintain all the labors involved, some system of cross valuation must be devised, like money. Money is the single point where they all cross. This is a tremendous power, which otherwise would make an organised study impossible.
I am sorry but I just don't understand. You are saying that it is money that is what organizes the study? I fail to understand what you are saying here.
Kiauma, you are thinking within a monetary system. I am talking about moving into a different kind of system where the basis of thought is not compensation for an individual's time. This is clearly not applicable now nor is it something that most people are ready to accept or even understand. I know that it is actually rather difficult to grasp. It took me a long time to be able to understand such a system. Current society is not ready for such a system because they/we have not been "programmed" by society to think is such terms.
Look at it like this, when you do something for fun/hobby, whatever it might be, do you think about how you are being compensated for your time or do you just do it to just do it? A similar shift in attitude/way of thinking would have to take place within society about life and work in general.
No, I am not saying money 'does' anything. Money is what makes it possible. Money is a device - no more.
Let's go back a step further. How were the pyramids built? There was no money in the sense you are talking about - how did they do it?
The Pharoah was able to get the pyramids built by taking the excess labor of one group of people, food from the farmers, for example, and applying it another group of people - the artisans and laborerers that worked on the pyramids. In exchange to the farmers he also supported armies to give them protection. That is a vast oversimplification, but that's the basic idea.
Money is a system that does the same thing. It enables the transfer of power (the ability to make change) from person to another. Barter can do the same thing.
From the pyramids of Egypt to the pyramid on the dollar, it is all the same thing - a system of the exchange of labors. Why do we have to have this cooperation in the first place? Something I think you are overlooking - People have to eat.
I could have fun with my hobby from now till doomsday - but unless I have some means of eating, I will soon die.
For every person who does scientific or artistic work, someone somewhere has to feed that person, who otherwise is busy with other things besides survival. Why should a person labor all day producing food, then give it to someone else who plays with his hobby all day and produces nothing?
That is the cooperation pioneered on such an industrious scale by the Pharoahs. It is a system of exchange of labors which benefits everyone - and today the mechanism of this is money.
No thinking inside a monetary system is required, or shift in attitude/programmed way of thinking. Simply devise a way to exchange labors to support whatever activity that otherwise could not survive without it. That is really what it is all about - transcending the demand of life that we work simply to maintain our existance. If you can beat that - which is what the Pharoahs did, and money helps us with - then you have beaten a major obstacle to transcending our mere physical existance.
If you have a better way, I would love to hear it - but something tells me it would still depend on the labors of some people supporting the activities of other people for mutual benefit - an exchange. [;)]
Ok, I got what you are saying now. [;)]
I guess my point is, while in current systems people keep track, so that one hour of my time is worth some amount of money which can be worth so much milk and eggs. The moneyless system would not keep track and all things would be available to all. So you would not have to worry about eating because food would be there for you, assuming no major disasters. Though that would be in a "perfect" world, which this one does not seem to be set up that way. Humans would have to evolve spiritually for such a system to work.
And yes, I understand what you are saying too, and yes, humans would need to evolve for that to work.
The difficulty is fairness. WHat is fair to one person now may not seem fair to another. If people only took what they needed, and others trusted others to only take what they needed, that would work, but what of when someone took more than someone else? Who defines fair? WHo defines greed?
The use of money sets standards for what labor is worth, and is a measurable quantity to compare what one gets against another. In this way it addresses the problem - though as you have noted it doesn't solve it completely! Recently, obesity was declared a disease in the USA - a 'disease' that no one in a third world country will ever have to worry about getting! [xx(]
No, it is not entirely fair, but so far the socialist experiments in teh world have also been a dismal failure, again becasue of human greed.
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Originally posted by jilola
What I'd like to see the future of humanity to be is a society where the necessities of life would be given rather than earned (and the planet and humanity could easily provide that given the necessary goodwill and enlightened view of life.)
The sad thing is that mankind has a lightyear to go before the majority can think beyond their noses, let alone think about another person's nose.
I agree with this jiola. Given the current trend and direction of human spiritual evolution, and the gifts from our brothers and sisters of the cosmos who have been where we are now and made it beyond, we have much to look forward to. Their evolved societies work quite efficiently without money. It WOULD be in the best interest of our planet to forgo wealth and concentrate on supporting the needs of every human on the planet, and the planet's needs herself! But, as we know, we are nowhere near having this kind of global cohesion yet. In our dreams and imagination it exists, and that is a powerful place nonetheless. We'll just keep the goal firm in our will and dreams.
I didnt mean to sound like a anmimal activist or anything thats just one of many reasons why humans are evil. Not all aspects of humanity is bad but alot is. And unlike some of you think we will never be more than human, because thats what we are, there is nothing you can do. Telekinesis, astral projection dosent make you better, because they are human abilities. So rather than get all depressed over it just try and be a better/good person.
If money is a calculation of the excess food a person has, then it's a good system. The only reason humans are ruling and wasting this planet is because we don't all have to worry about the crops. Would you rather live in a world where money didn't exsist, but neither did others to grow your food? Would you like to wake up at 4 am every morning, shovel bull crap for an hour, then take them out to plough the fields till noon, feed the bulls, dig up irrigation tunnels till you collapse? Or would you rather go down to the supermarket and pay a few bucks for your food. And get this, if everyone's busy growing their own food, no one is making any time for technological advancement. We would end up doing the same thing everyday for 1000's of years until someone finally went and invented money. Wanna know how I know this? Because this is how it all started in the first place. You can either be thankful that the money system is there, or you can hitch a ride the next time they want to do a survivor show.
Wronski: Telekinesis, astral projection dosent make you better, because they are human abilities.
Then when astral projecting, everybody else you see must also be human. Obviously not to anybody who has done it.
So basically what most of you are trying to say is we must pay to keep on living in this world. Money=water,electricity,home,food,car, and so on.
[:O] To change the world, we need to change the human first...that means start here [|)]
Before we see the result, it will take a while I think...
But at least we can have it in our own little world we carry within
Greetingzzz [;)]
Beavis,
I didnt say only humans can project, I just said that they are human abilities. And I didnt say humans are the only things that exist in this place or the astral level or any where else. so read a post more carefully before you contridict someone.
No, I am sick of people who are normal.
What I mean is the people who believe (in their heads, they qualify out of close-minded skepticism and say "if it is possible") that once you reach a point of consciousness and cease to be effected by externals and choose to no longer be a victim and choose to be perfect, you then cease to be human.
Well, if that is what every one thinks of some one who is stronger than them, that is fine. Just leave me out of the "humanity" cage of complacent, self-defeatist negativity and weakness. It is unfortunate that when Christ was killed, so was the collective belief that any one who really put forth the effort to do so, could parallel him in consciousness. Why do you think he had apostles? Because obviously they saw he was a man of pure nature, free from the clouded misconceptions of delusion and ego. Christ (or any other great teachers of wisdom) was there to show people the the qualities of themselves which aren't true qualities to begin with and are nothing but mere "filler"! I find it tragically sad that people don't try harder to seek out a teacher.. Hell, what about the Dali Llama? He has the right idea! Hell, he SHOULD if supposedly he keeps reincarnating.. Coming back time after time to teach us. Now what on earth makes people think that there's not any other exhaulted beings (hmmm Christ, for instance) who are coming back, but no one is noticing, due to the fact that they're too busy humpin' the American dream?! Woah, I wonder who's ever thought of that one.
But I digress.. Unfortunately due to a low sense of self, which is quietly accepted and kept as a general dirty little secret from the people by the people and for the people, thanks to deformed ego; Everyone's backstabbing best friend, which people choose to hold on to, not even realizing that all it does is preclude them from growth. Poor kids. I choose to evolve, while no one even seems to comprehend what foot one would start off on in order to head in The right direction. Well, that's every one else's life. I really don't know what to say to the herds other than "blame it on the curse of the cross", since it seems that all they will ever be able to do is place the blame outside themselves. Looks like the Oh-so intellectually developed pedantic physicians of today, tomorrow and doomsday will continue to dole out poisonous pills to help people deal with their own damning projections, associations, pre-conceived misconceptions, unfounded fears and overall failure to identify and deal with one's own weaknesses. Note, that at the begining of this I mentioned the concept "cease to be effected by externals". Not only is everyone I know effected by externals more often than not, they are woefully overly DEPENDENT on them! Shop-a-hollics now need to turn around and invest in medication to combat their "illness"! What a JOKE! Unfortunate that even great philosophers of days long ago had it, however people can't apply the formulas to their own lives... So they're often shunned or killed.
I used to think that I was never coming back to this universe after I die. Never! Now, after 50+ years here I see what all the fuss is about. I was able to see because of 2 distinct experiences: 1) out-of-body separation between consciousness and physical body; and 2) certanity that reincarnation exists. I reincarnated this time to learn and confirm that g_d exists and how to get closer to it. Now I'm working like Robert Bruce and William Buhlman on obeing. I ignore those who don't seem to know what I'm talking about..it's not important. Its only important that I climb the moutain (take heaven by laborous work (storm)). My effort will be observed by some and that's enough. I need to drill into g_d...so do all of us. See Adam Kadmon.
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Originally posted by MakiZero
Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature? I get so sick of the illusions and lies created here on earth. Everywhere I look I see mindless people apart of the system that know nothing of the truth.
Saints don't start that god crap in my topic. Your god never came down face to face looking you dead in the eyes so don't say it exist. (Fools use faith)
now now, don't be lost in semantics here
the concept of god has too much christian luggage and prejudice, too many will fight it on sight
as for "meta" path i prefer term source
sounds better doesn't it ??
and don't label me as believer, it can be felt, and it does help, it is connected to us through our true minds, which so many won't experience
Feel the rhythm
To feel connected
Enough to step aside
And weep like a widow
To feel inspired
To fathom the power
To witness the beauty
To bathe in the fountain
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral
To swing on the spiral
Of our divinity and still be a human
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Originally posted by MakiZero
Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature?
Yes, I wish to be a human graduate.[:D]
Otherwise, I'd never have "signed up".
It's been said... "graduates of the human experience are highly
respected in other dimensions."
respectfully,
cho
MakiZero, those kinds of subscriptions to such dogmatic beliefs ("faith is for fools") are only hurting you. Yeah, it sounds catchy, due to it's alliterative qualities, however that is one of the deluded talents of humanity- to paint a negative picture and make it seem "witty and pritty", causing it to nourish your ego so you can continue justifying lying to your self. I am sorry you have a bad semantic response to the word "god". If "god" leaves a bitter taste in your mouth, give it another name that means something positive to you because believe me, it's there, it's unavoidable and it will serve what ever you dish up for it, right back to you.
You know, a lot of this relates to perception, or rather limits in your perception based upon whats inside you and what you expect to see.
The goodness in humanity is all around, if only you have the eyes to see it.
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Saints don't start that god crap in my topic. Your god never came down face to face looking you dead in the eyes so don't say it exist. (Fools use faith)
LOL!! Pathetic!!!! Your rant against Gods existance (faith) is the pure polar opposite of someone who believes for no reason (also on faith). And dont give me any crap about how you really do have an open mind, please?
Actually, I have seen what was unquestionably the work of the hand of God a couple of times, in action. And once, I prayed for God to materialise in my bedroom and speak to me. I felt a build up on POWER infront/next to me, and promply shat myself [:P]. Taught me damn well I wasn't ready to see what I had asked for, I'd put money on the fact that the same applies to you, even though you might deny it (I would have done too, now I know better).
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So basically what most of you are trying to say is we must pay to keep on living in this world. Money=water,electricity,home,food,car, and so on.
To exist in this world we have to take - food, water, electricity, etc. So its only fair that we give too - if everyone only took, we would all very soon die a horrible and nasty death. We live here, we have to deal with how it is. Money is just a convenience that makes the process of giving and taking much easier. Thats all.
Rob
Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature? I get so sick of the illusions and lies created here on earth. Everywhere I look I see mindless people apart of the system that know nothing of the truth.