I was just thinking about population and how overpopulated the Earth is (becoming).
Do we (in spirit form, not human yet) realize how overpopulated the Earth is before we come here?
And if we know... why do we still do it? O_o
What are your thoughts?
... well, I don't think the Earth is overpopulated. I dont think there are too many people per se. The problem lies in the production/distribution of resources and also in how we handle the pollution and waste we produce.
There is plenty of water, we are just busy polluting large quantities of it. That's Bad.
There is plenty of food, it is just not being distributed efficiently. Blame greed and scarcity economics.
The earth is not really overpopulated in a pure numbers sense of the word. There is plenty of room. Humanity as a whole is just too stupid/greedy/lazy to do things in a more efficient way.
:evil:
To answer your question, we must be coming here repeatedly, O_o.... because there are certain experiences to be had here on earth that cant be had elsewhere I guess. :roll:
I think pretty soon we will have the technology to go to other worlds. I'm curious to know what percentage would leave this planet if they were given the choice.
Pfft, well there beings everywhere with the technology, but as we both know, it's being kept away from people. I think the masses will be grounded here until they decide the deceivers are no longer welcome
I believe that this next decade will introduce many new changes in technology and in our spiritual understanding of ourselves and the universe. I have been studying the propulsion units for electrogravitic systems and the technology is very closely related to interdimensional travel (i.e. astral projection technology). Except you need a saucer shaped piece of metal to sit in, so the gravity and atmospheric conditions of a planet wont harm your physical body.
As for the overpopulation of earth... I agree that unless something is done soon it will not be pretty.
The Georgia Guidestones show us that there are wealthy groups of secretive individuals who believe that the world can support life equally with about 500,000 to one million people. Of course we're far past that mark. But they may be trying to achieve this. Chem trails have become a real problem in America, mostly because Americans don't pay attention to them. Studies have been done on rain and snow after chem trail spraying that revealed fibrous metals and numerous carcinogens. The Obama Administrations official story is that they are trying to reflect back some of the sun UV's to slow global warming. However in their attempt to "stop global warming" (i think it's a farce), they are also poisoning the masses with chemicals that most people are completely unaware of. Now we have H1N1 re-dispursed suddenly and millions are being made trying to keep Americans healthy... as they are poisoned. The ploy for population control, and getting rich in the process, might already be WELL underway.
QuoteTo answer your question, we must be coming here repeatedly, O_o.... because there are certain experiences to be had here on earth that cant be had elsewhere I guess.
I agree. I think something alongs these lines may be true.
How did your account get deleted, by the way, Interception?
I think population control has always been in action, if not from humans then from off-world predators as ancient writings record.
From the killer's point of view, they're creating a new world through exclusion. One can control the way society thinks and functions by eliminating people who don't function the way they want. For example, if 30% of the population approves of your agenda, but 70% disapproves, you can kill half the people who disapprove, and now suddenly you have an approval rating of 65%, and you didn't have to convince anyone.
Society is now leaning in your favor, being open to your authority, disliking your enemies more.
If 90% of the population thinks the world is round, you can kill that 90% and suddenly the entire population thinks the world is flat.
The great thing is, nobody has to know your agenda - they don't even have to know you exist. That's why interstellar organizations do things this way. They watch primitive civilizations, and if the civilization begins to behave in a way the organization dislikes, they induce a flood or a volcano in places where a high concentration of people thinks that way, and now that society is leaning in their favor.
Anyway anyway, my take on the population: People are simply breeding in malevolent ways, spreading bad genes, leading to massive disorder and disease. I actually think humanity can get out of this rut by paying attention to who is breeding, when, and whether we have the resources to accompany more people
OMG zareste, you're an eugenic? i dont believe there is such thing as "bad genes". we are beings that harmonize in togetherness, but are on a path of againstness. eugenics is an extreme example of this path, if you ask me.
so what are you criteria of who is allowed (or let's say "encouraged") to breed?
I guess 'bad' could mean anything. To disambiguate: I say 'bad' as in decrepit, wasteful, and abominable in respect to the species that's being created out of a once-respectable humanity. Your view of what's bad may be different.
You fear gene control because you're already controlling your genes, and doing a terrible job of it. You're perfectly aware of how your kids will turn out and the impact your breeding habits will have on future generations. So when you hear about a change in this system, you imagine it somehow getting worse than what you've already created, and that understandably scares the hell out of you
Quote from: zareste on January 04, 2010, 19:24:14
I guess 'bad' could mean anything. To disambiguate: I say 'bad' as in decrepit, wasteful, and abominable in respect to the species that's being created out of a once-respectable humanity. Your view of what's bad may be different.
You fear gene control because you're already controlling your genes, and doing a terrible job of it. You're perfectly aware of how your kids will turn out and the impact your breeding habits will have on future generations. So when you hear about a change in this system, you imagine it somehow getting worse than what you've already created, and that understandably scares the hell out of you
you have the basic assumption that it's the genes that carry bad traits, which you still didn't depict in any detail. i don't know what you mean by "decrepit, wasteful, and abominable". i'm saying that it's not the genes, but a combination of environment, society, culture, parents etc etc...
you say we can solve certain problems by controlling genes. i say we have to wake up to a healthy lifestyle. i seriously believe that everyone carries infinite enlightened wisdom inside and that we're only deluded by our lifestyles, NOT OUR GENES. we need to get back to harmony. what are the odds of creating harmony with eugenics? to me, eugenics is disharmony by definition. it is an extreme manifestation of againstness. it won't create the enlightened society i'm dreaming of. but everyone's dreams are different, it seems :)
will people have to earn the right to breed or will they have to behave in the right ways in order to not have it taken away from them? or will scientists watch people's behaviour and decide who is allowed to and who not? will you still be able to choose your partner freely? will you be sterilised when you belong to the unworthy? if not, what will happen to you if you still breed?
ye, something in this scares the hell ouf of me. i just can't put my finger on it... probably a basic instinct that doesn't want to have the right to breed taken away. absolutely understandable.
I think there are sufficient resources to care for the people who are currently here, but not in the manner that we have been doing- not as a primarily industrial society, and not with the current distribution of people in sprawling cities and uninhabited rural districts.
If we want to succeed, we need to focus on centralized, but moderately sized and evenly distributed townships, with an emphasis on localized production and agriculture.
It certainly wouldn't hurt for a few billions to be reduced in the coming centuries, though.
Quoteyou say we can solve certain problems by controlling genes.
I'll only repeat this one time, and if you still don't get it, I'll just stop arguing and make fun of you. You're already controlling genes and there's nothing you can do to prevent that because you're aware of what your breeding habits create, and right now it is an abomination. To harmonize under abominable behavior means more people will suffer until the problematic genes are wiped out.
And it doesn't concern me whether you want to change these habits. I'm just saying that people who act like animals will be treated like them
well, i said "controlling our genes" as in "having them controlled by 3rd party". i thought this was obvious. now that this is cleared up, could you please talk to me like i was a human, not an animal or retarded? otherwise i'll make fun of you :roll:
QuoteTo harmonize under abominable behavior means more people will suffer until the problematic genes are wiped out.
true, this is your assumption. and i can only repeat myself: it's not in the genes. it's in the environment. and by creating an environment in disharmony you will only reinforce disharmony. againstness will be answered with againstness. you cannot wipe againstness out, because it's not in the genes, it's in YOUR IDEAS. you are the reinforcer and source of disharmony in your plan. people will soon understand that it's your society structures that have to be wiped out.
will people have to earn the right to breed or will they have to behave in the right ways in order to not have it taken away from them? or will scientists watch people's behaviour and decide who is allowed to and who not? will you still be able to choose your partner freely? will you be sterilised when you belong to the unworthy? if not, what will happen to you if you still breed?
or are these questions still unanswered in your plan? or are these question not worth answering??
Population control is a pretty common method because it's more efficient than trying to reason with a dumb animal. For comparison: If an infestation of roaches gets into your house, you don't sit down and try to reason with them. You get out the bug spray and wipe them out.
we're freaking silly for arguing. nevermind...
Quote from: zareste on January 05, 2010, 23:46:00
Population control is a pretty common method because it's more efficient than trying to reason with a dumb animal. For comparison: If an infestation of roaches gets into your house, you don't sit down and try to reason with them. You get out the bug spray and wipe them out.
That's what we need!
Human-spray! :D
Quote from: Xanth on January 06, 2010, 10:30:43
That's what we need!
Human-spray! :D
made me think of this:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103809/
Doh! Being in Canada I can't watch that link... which episode was that? LoL
Cartman is spraying an old lady's house for a hippie infestation. :)
The planet only has 10 years of food left and nowdays we are keeping alive millions who would have died without medical care
i think without a masive cull in the populace we will all be screwed
:NoY:
Quote from: NoY on January 31, 2010, 12:35:50
The planet only has 10 years of food left and nowdays we are keeping alive millions who would have died without medical care
i think without a masive cull in the populace we will all be screwed
:NoY:
I've pretty much come to the same conclusion.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see though. ;)
I feel the same way about whats happening, Its a bit crazy the way life's changed within the past 100-200 years? In one way I'm grateful for the experience for the fact that its a rare experience and one I probably won't be having again. But If I had a say in it or could reverse time I certainly wouldn't prefer it. No experience to me is worth the amount of damage caused to our earth and especially extinction of animal species. Dramatic changes almost have to be done to turn Humanities addictions and ignorance in another direction. I think its still at the point where we could save ourselves through discoveries or evidence that cant be disputed following funding and work towards more positive changes. Even If we made many positive changes and weren't as wasteful. In my opinion the earth would still be over populated though.
What happens to the spirit of an extinct animal by the way?
My plan last night was to make a nice Potato Soup (it's yum, btw :)).
Anyways, I went to the store last night to find some Celery... I had to go to THREE grocery stores in the area just to find some.
The first two were out...
I got to thinking about what it'll be like when food becomes a little more scarce.
The system will correct itself... but there will be billions of unhappy people when that happens.
Zareste,
What are you doing on this forum? You obviously don't agree with the way we think, and your primary objective here seems to be to try and prove us wrong while constantly suggesting we're stupid if we don't. I read somewhere else that you're here because there seem to be a few 'reliable physicists' that you want to contact (?), and the more I read your posts, that's not your objective at all.
Go do something useful with your time. We don't want your karma here. :evil:
The System that many of you support has embedded deep in it a ruling elite that'll soon take care of this overpopulation issue and reduce the number of humans to not more than one third. This however is not due to sustainability issues but for selfish purposes. It will look to be a number of devastating natural disasters however many of them will actually be induced through very sophisticated technologies like the indian ocean tsunami or hurricane katrina were.
kind regards,
Paul
So what are you going to do about it?
Has anyone ever read books by Lynn Grabhorn?
One in particular called Planet Two.
funny stuff
What about that episode of stargate sg-1 where they were like 10 years in the future and some alien race came along promising to cure all our ills and really they were sterilizing everyone?
that's a good idea.
as crappy as it sounds, this planet can't support 7 billion people. some people need to die.
i volunteer.
:-D
Quote from: personalreality on April 29, 2010, 11:52:11
What about that episode of stargate sg-1 where they were like 10 years in the future and some alien race came along promising to cure all our ills and really they were sterilizing everyone?
that's a good idea.
as crappy as it sounds, this planet can't support 7 billion people. some people need to die.
i volunteer.
:-D
That was an interesting episode really.
The aliens gave us humans something to "extend" our lives.
In exchange, they agreed with our government to decrease the birth rate... because if we all lived 150-ish years, you wouldn't need the same population growth.
But yeah... extremes took effect and JACK O'NEIL had to step in. :D
MacGuyver always knows how to save the day.
"i don't know karate but I know Ca-razy" "Yes we do"
One thing I always see traveling across the country is how compacted we are in the cities, but compared to them there is SO MUCH open land that isn't populated. We all just crunch in close together in urban areas like roaches and it makes it seem like we're overpopulated. You don't have to die. Just move into the woods. Or start a farm. Society may be too big, but I'm not sure about actual planetary population.
Quote from: Stookie on April 29, 2010, 15:06:27
One thing I always see traveling across the country is how compacted we are in the cities, but compared to them there is SO MUCH open land that isn't populated. We all just crunch in close together in urban areas like roaches and it makes it seem like we're overpopulated. You don't have to die. Just move into the woods. Or start a farm. Society may be too big, but I'm not sure about actual planetary population.
Dear Stookie,
You hit it,
and according to some the entire world population would actually fit into the state of texas.
Humans are pushed to urbanization so they can be easier controlled.
kind regards,
Paul
Our reckless use and abuse of natural resources is the real problem
that's what can't last.
Imagine - six plus billion humans defecating everyday. Where does it all go...
Quote from: Psilibus on April 30, 2010, 07:24:24
Imagine - six plus billion humans defecating everyday. Where does it all go...
Awww dude... *pukes* :D
And to think we spend time worrying about cattle flatulence being a greenhouse gas.
Quote from: Psilibus on April 30, 2010, 07:24:24
Imagine - six plus billion humans defecating everyday. Where does it all go...
On a self-sustaining farm it becomes fertilizer.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on December 23, 2009, 17:39:31
I think pretty soon we will have the technology to go to other worlds. I'm curious to know what percentage would leave this planet if they were given the choice.
I would pay most of the people to leave if I could and they would. Then I would stay, this is a perfectly beautiful world.
Yeah, I know old topic and all that but sometimes Xanth just asks the most bestest questions. :-)
Quote from: Xanth on December 22, 2009, 15:53:21
Do we (in spirit form, not human yet) realize how overpopulated the Earth is before we come here?
And if we know... why do we still do it? O_o
Why? To mess things up for the earthlings even more :evil:
But what an adventure it is, right? The more the merrier :)
Xanth . I wonder how aware we are to even make that decision then and if that is even possible ... it may look overpopulated from here because we are not looking at the right problems.
good questions... but that just open more question for me ...Jeez! just when I thought I had it all figured out :wink: :roll:
I believe that the "higher ups" aren't really concerned with earthlings' welfare in the way we might imagine or like. If the Earth would blow up or become unfit for biological life, that wouldn't be even a blip on their radar. They'd move their training grounds elsewhere, in a completely different setup. How much do we care about the welfare of our dream characters?
Quote from: Plume on November 14, 2018, 03:22:49
Xanth . I wonder how aware we are to even make that decision then and if that is even possible ... it may look overpopulated from here because we are not looking at the right problems.
good questions... but that just open more question for me ...Jeez! just when I thought I had it all figured out :wink: :roll:
Well, there's more than enough resources on this Earth to go around... the problem is that there is too much greed for that to happen.
Who are we to make that decision? Well, it's more a decision on ourselves to control our own population growth.
So who knows...
Quote from: baro-san on November 14, 2018, 04:46:55
I believe that the "higher ups" aren't really concerned with earthlings' welfare in the way we might imagine or like. If the Earth would blow up or become unfit for biological life, that wouldn't be even a blip on their radar. They'd move their training grounds elsewhere, in a completely different setup. How much do we care about the welfare of our dream characters?
That's a very "human" way to look at it. I've found that the life system doesn't quite work as such. Nobody is "watching" things to that extreme. What happens, happens.
If our world comes to a crashing end, then so be it. When you look at things directly from the perspective of Consciousness, then you'll quickly see that it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
Consciousness endures regardless and experience continues in one form or another.
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As spirits we are not bound by material life rationality.
In other words, earth population growth, global warming, wars represent a physical life paradigm and as such these are unlikely to enter into the process of incarnation. In formulating questions about non physical existence we should not make the mistake of projecting human thinking. To me, the world of spirits is likely to be as incoherent as dreams when it comes to earthbound preoccupations. :-)
Quote from: baro-san on November 14, 2018, 04:46:55
I believe that the "higher ups" aren't really concerned with earthlings' welfare in the way we might imagine or like. If the Earth would blow up or become unfit for biological life, that wouldn't be even a blip on their radar. They'd move their training grounds elsewhere, in a completely different setup. How much do we care about the welfare of our dream characters?
I agree with Baro-san here. I believe and also have been shown this to be the truth. This kind of "experiment" has been tried many times in the past.
They seem to be more concerned at this point in our development though. We are basically at that "do" or "die" stage of our development.
I have been listening to more speakers on Transhumanism and this talk of moving consciousness into robotic bodies. I used to think this was a bad thing and basically impossible to do. But who knows, maybe that is what "they" have been working on since the dawn of man. Maybe the challenge is to take a "simple" being and make them into some form of "God". Some Humans have worked towards this by creating a "body of light", but that came from a life time of practice. Others now are trying to create a everlasting body made up of robotics to put our consciousness in. It seems like it depends whether you are coming at this from "right brain", which is more creative and spiritual compared to the "left brain", known for it's analytical and mechanical/technical thinking.
Just last night I was listening to this interesting interview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gVLG3t0tYs
She spoke of how "accessing the right brain" is important in the field of "non physical" exploration