Adrian forgot to mention the terms of the "free" aspect of it. It is free if you cannot afford it. I personally can afford it, but I'm not going to buy it. I just didnt have the heart to lie about not being able to afford it, and then buy it! so think about it!!
Greetings Lysear,
Thank you for your comments.
I am actually in communication with Dr. Chalko about this book, and also asked him permission to place it in The Astral Pulse file library. Here is his response to that question:
"My e-book is free of charge, but I would like to offer people a CHOICE to purchase a hard copy."
So the emphasis is on free with the option to pay.
With best regards,
Adrian.
This book is incredible. Logic and yet beautiful! I got it when it was first released in Jan 2000. I think free e-book is good. I did print it on paper. I prefer a hard copy. Tom might be having difficulties to find a publisher for obvious reason we(those who have read the book) KNOW!
yes i thought this was one of the best books ive ever read.
i think it should be taught in schools, absolutely NO dogma at all.
I guessed the password correctly on my first try..hmm kind of makes me want to read it now[:D]
I agree, the book had a lot of really good messages and ideas.
Everyone,
One of the things I like about this forum is how people share useful and interesting ideas on books, websites and so on. I had never heard of this website before Adrian's post.
After reading everyone's comments and visiting the website, I decided to buy a hard copy from his online bookshop.
Very best,
Thank you Adrian,
What a great recommendation. This is truly the most logical book I have ever read. If any person is honest with themselves, then it is very easy to see the truth in this book.
I downloaded the book free yesterday and I will now buy it because the author deserves it, what a small price to pay for enlightenment.
Love and Light
Regards Len
With increasing spiritual misinformation, we have been partially surrendered our logical thinking in persuade of spiritualism. Do you know how much spiritual misinformation until it hinder us to understand and to know the true nature of us and in the universe? The author has been allowed to consciously visit his higher-self (the light). How many of us can really do that?
xc
You are so sure that account of Jesus life in Bible is 100% correct.That's amazing.
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By way of a follow-up to my earlier post, I have today finished the book, The Freedom of Choice. While its' only a mere hundred and twenty five pages, it is a powerful book. There is a lot to think and meditate on with just about every page. So, I'd recommend it.
I may have missed it but I don't think I did. How can something come from nothing? I mean how could an intellect arise from absolutely nothing? This is one question that has been bothering me ever since I read this book, I have tried for many months to reason my way to a possiblity but I just can't. I would like to hear some of your theories.
I pose some more questions I would like your input on:
If the intellect could not arise then how could anything else come about?
Now even if the intellect did come into existance, how could it create the universe out of absolute nothing, everything that is built needs materials to build?
How could the intellect develop itself as there is nothing to provoke it to question anything? Heck there is nothing to question, examine, or anything else intellectually based and therefore would be unable to grow.
Alright now if we could conclude that nothing could arise from nothing than we in theory could disprove the beginning of the book, and the beginning is what shapes everything. For example, our childhoods lead to certain traits being imprinted upon us. The future is an echo of the past. If the beginning of the book can be discounted couldn't any of the thoughts and logic that arise from it also be discounted because they were calculated from false or inaccurate information.
These are just a few of my thoughts and would like to hear what you have to say on the subject. I am in no way saying that the book is wrong, but I think it could have been more well explained. I realize that it was immensely difficult to be able to express all of those thoughts as fluently as was done, but there is still so much that it does not explain.
Happy pondering.
I got into trouble in a compulsory scripture class at school when I was in the 4th grade for trying to get the minister to explain exactly that. He didn't make any sense on the matter either.
Since then a few ideas have come to me that could explain the idea of something from nothing to some extent. Two concepts need to be accepted for this to work -
1)the astral universe was in existence long before the physical. it could be possible when taking into account the fact that the physical universe seemed to have a definite beginning and is indeed ageing, whereas the astral or energy universe seems to exist outside of time.
2)We know that changing the energy state of an atom can cause it to change into a differnt type of atom, e.g. nuclear fusion turns hydrogen into deuterium, and the process can be extended to create further heavier atoms- helium, etc. Stars spew forth matter from such fusion reactions continuously. The key to the existence of all matter is energy. Without energy of some form, matter cannot exist, so it can be viewed that ultimately mattter is fromed from energy.
If the creator, god, the one source, the intellect, whatever, existed in the astral before the physical universe came into being. It is possible that the creator was able to inject energy from the astral universe, into a universe of a different dimensional state - the physical universe that we know.
Not so much something from nothing, but something from something different, somewhere else.
James.
Thank you James, that is the first well thought out and logical explanation I have ever heard. If there are any others out there please feel free to share.
Iz
"If the intellect could not arise then how could anything else come about?"
Unfortunately, according to my current understanding, nothing can come about to this extent withiout the intellect. Tremendous knowledge is required just to build an atom.
"Now even if the intellect did come into existance, how could it create the universe out of absolute nothing, everything that is built needs materials to build?"
If of all what is elementary particle made of? Vibrations, so many physicists and mystics said. Vibrations require energy to sustain. What is energy? The ability to do work.Let's say the Great Intellect induces vibrations. The ACT of doing by the Great Intellect is manisfested as energy. So, it seems that everything that build needs the ACTION of the Great Intellect.It doesn't need material to begin with.
I might be wrong. But it sounds I hit the light![|)]
Concept of Infinite
Infinity implies human failure to grasp an idea. Try not using the word infinite. Just from my experience and talking with other people. Things seem to go round and round when using the word infinite and it doesn't illuminate the answer for the questions.
Just my humble opnion [:)]
OK - slightly OT, but what do you reckon about those bioresonant shirts. I mention them in this thread, because the website that sells them is run by the same person who made the Freedom of Choice pdf. Hence, if you think these shirts are a con, surely it raises questions about his credibility as an author. If, on the other hand you are so impressed by the PDF, does that automatically validate the shirts in your opinion?
Brace yourselves for some extreme bad fashion sense:
(http://bioresonant.com/images/bio/biol4-a.jpg)
(http://bioresonant.com/images/bio/biou4-am1.jpg)
http://bioresonant.com/
Jeebus! Even if they are good for your aura, I reckon they would do more harm to your general health because you would get beaten up everywhere you go!
The things that makes me think they could be useful is from Robert Bruce's article on aura seeing from this site:
quote:
Clothing:
It is impossible to get a clear view of an aura through clothing. The auric colours given off by any coloured clothing react with the wearer's aura. This causes interference that blocks and changes the natural flow of energies within an aura. For example: a blue shirt will flood the wearer's natural aura with yellow - changing it's appearance.
Even neutral coloured clothing will block and dim an aura - making it dull and difficult to see. If, for example, you observe the aura of a person wearing a red shirt: their aura will contain a great deal of green. This shows why bare skin is best, in order to get a clear view of an aura.
When a coloured material is worn, the band of colour seen close to the material is the reverse auric colour of that colour. The aura's real colours will be seen building up from the outer edge of that colour. The reverse auric colour of the material, and the true colours of the living aura, affect each other - changing their natural colours.
http://www.astralpulse.com/guides/auras/auras_10.htm#2
Boomy
From my personal point of view of bioresonant clothes, I would say, YES it really works by increasing human healing abilities. I clearly remember I sweat a lot wearing the shirt at night after the disco (in all occasions and I stopped going disco). Disco is BAD for your astral body.(WARNING WARNING) Oh well, because I was in doubt and like proof I went to disco.
The shirt is proven by having a Kirlian pictures of my hands just taken recently.
Tom is really an intelligent and spiritual guy. He has reached the LIGHT as he claimed and I have no doubt. I wonder how many people here in this forum has reached the LIGHT in the tunnel.
I dont wear outside. I wear when I sleep. or covered it with a few layers of shirt in winter.
Ive only read a little of this book so far.
The bit about the probability of a house building itself being zero is wrong IMO. A cave could be a house, there are a lot of them around, they are natural, and some of them are more servicable than a lot of human built homes. therefore a house can build itself..
Oh well, the probability that life and atoms create from randomness is far far lower than probability that life is created.
I think Tom got his diea from the Gospel of Thomas quote 29:
Jesus said, "If the fresh came into being because of spirit, it is a marvel, but if the spirit came into being becuase of body, it is a marvel of marvels. Yet I marvel at how this great weath has come to dwell in this poverty."
It is interesting that you can apply the same logic into the real world.
Which do you think is mostly likely correct in terms of probability.
1. US said that Iraq hid banned WMD so well that they could even find it until now.
2. WMD doesn't exist in Iraq at all now.
If Saddam Hussein is sooooooo intelligent to hide the WMD soooo well, then, he wouldn't be defeated soooooooo easily. I think the statement 2 has a higher probability of being correct. Probably there are several more options. I just try to to illustrate how Bush is trying to misinformed people..thinking that we are idiots and cannot think independently.
And also Tom also referred to those kind of house u are living. Not a cave. The cave construction is soooo simple compared to modern house. Knowledge is required to build a house. So knowledge is required to create atoms and life!!
nonsense in my humble opinion. I think those cavemen knew a lot more about energy work and so on and living in harmony with nature.
We on the other hand only have intelectual knowledge. really, knowing how to build a western house has nothing to do with real knowledge.
we have practically no idea about any other force than gravity in mosr western architecture.
Just my humble opinion [:)]
God I love that smiley [^]
quote:
The bit about the probability of a house building itself being zero is wrong IMO. A cave could be a house, there are a lot of them around, they are natural, and some of them are more servicable than a lot of human built homes. therefore a house can build itself..
That bit of argument is not very sound IMHO. You could class a cave as a house, or you could class it as part of nature which I think is more in line with the original argument of house creating itself. The argument of a house building itself is based on the logic, like the house, the universe (including but not limited to a cave) must also be created. Although this argument can go on and on like who created the one creating this universe? Which is not very productive IMHO. Very confusing and I lay my case to rest.[|)]
BTW, I
believe that there is a creator of the universe which is very different from us and to use our 3D logic here to the creator would not give us a very good understanding. Sort of a fish trying to figure out the world outside of the ponds it lives in.
""nonsense in my humble opinion. I think those cavemen knew a lot more about energy work and so on and living in harmony with nature.""
I cannot say that cavemen knew a lot more energy work.From much I have read, 'shaman' among cavemen uses drug to induce spiritual experience and the life span of them are short compared to morden men!! However, in the past people has very long life-span compared with modern men now and they are NO 'cavemen' and they posses advanced technology.
The so called knowledge we have is used to create MATERIAL TECHNOLOGY. The wise Thiaooubians once said,"Material technology, without spiritual knowledge, is leading us to inevitable global catastrophe on Earth. Technology should ASSIST in the spiritual development and not be used (as it is used now) to enslave people within a monetary system and materialistic world, which are both temporary anyway."
Anyway, the examples given the previous post is just an ANALOG since human can easily grasp the meaning from analog. The main message is KNOWLEDE is required to build something fucntional for a given purposes.
Knowledge is knowledge , technology is technology. Knowledge is still required to build a large building using anti-gravity too.Anti-gravity is still an intellectual knowledge.However, scientists have been mystified by anti-gravity due to the LACK of understanding, although experimentally, it does point the existence of it.Unfortunately, such research is classified becuase of the huge PROFIT it can be generated!
another question:
it says in the book that we need CONTRAST to learn. nature was MADE so we could be curious. if there is NOTHING, how could the Supreme Intellect learn anything? if you were born without ears, a nose, mouth, brain, eyes, feeling, or any body at all, how would you know to walk? or even crawl? or talk, or know anything? you would be in complete darkness.
one possibility is that hes WRONG: theres more than one Supreme Intellect. hear me out:
he said that in the beginning there was nothing. he said that there could only be ONe nothing, because if there was more than one, it would be two or more different SOMETHINGS. so, there was only one PHYSICAL nothing. fine. makes sense.
but then he says that therefore, theres only one INTELLECT. maybe there are two, or 3, or 439857493867984????
just because there is only one possible PHYSICAL nothing, does not mean that there can only be one intellect.
in fact: the physical world, as long as its here for, is only temporary, right? and our minds can live forever if we allow it to, right? so what happens at the end of the universe, when the vibrations stop vibrating? THERE ARE BILLIONS OF INTELLECTS.
also, i agree that the whole "making something out of nothing" is BS. even our primitive scientists know the law of conservation of mass. if there is one point where there is absolutely nothing, and i mean NOTHING, then how can the biggest explosion of all time, the origin of ALL 3D matter, come out of it? with NOTHING physical in existance in a point, NOTHING physical can come out of it and occupy everything. its just not explained.
another thought is: what happens when we know EVERYTHING? i mean, i dont know how many flies flew above 5 feet in 1994, i dont know the birthdays of all the backstreet boys, and i dont know how many windows there are in australia. but who cares?
what happens when we know everything that matters? when we finally discover ALL knowledge; ALL math, ALL science, ALL calculus, ALL chess strategies, etc.? THEN what more can we do? NOTHING. our minds will shrivel up and die. at least according to the book.
and wait a minute, what about the Supreme Conscience? if it knows everything possible, which it has to in order to create us, is it gone now? maybe it learned everything and then created us, so that it wouldnt die? i just dont like the idea that eventually, even our consciences will all die.
i have plenty of other questions, as i tend to overanalyze these kinds of things [:D], but this post is loooong enough for now.
Links Shadow, u have missed sooo many points.
True, there are a lots of intellect right now but at the VERY begining, there is ONE GREAT INTEELECT.
You seem to say that learning MUST need a physical body. Have you had out of body experience where you couldn't see and couldn't hear, only knowing your own thought? You should ask your higher-self to put you in such situation when u have OBE next time.
Law of conservation of mass is true when you decoupled it from consciousness. Any laws in physics created are limited by our current understanding. Consciousness (which is not material)creates the material world. From nothingness springs forth an intellect which evolves into great intellect.The great intellect then initiates the greatest explosion of all time, the creation of universe (material world), creating everything we see.
Nothing CANNOT create the universe, it requires INTELLECT. Do you see where have u missed the point?
You question is what the point of knowing everything that matter?And then you asked what next after you know everything, since nothing needed to know anymore? Again you have missed the point. Have you came to realize that in order just to know something more abstract, we need to develop our intellect? How could a child who don't know arithmatic come to understand relativity? Do you really interested to know everything even something perverted and boring? NO! We aren't here to evolve to know everything. We are here to develop our intellect so that we can understand spirituality as much as possible which is within individual interests. However, it is your freedom to know the birthdays of everyone on earth and to know how fast all the bufferyflies fly and how fast each person heart beat is beating. You will find such information boring and uninterested and doesn't serve the higher purpose of the intellect.So see, how irreverent your next question has become. Devepment of intellect is unlimited.
you said, maybe it learned everything and then created us, so that it wouldnt die?
You really miss the point. You havent even come close to know the purpose of the universe. Such question only is possible when someone don't know the purposes of the universe (which is very obvious and direct in the book).
sorry, it is for J-Man
WHEN MONKEYS STARTED TYPING!
Typists all over the world, beware. Your jobs are in danger. You have
competition....from monkeys. That's what the scientists would have us
believe. At least those scientists who advocate the chance theory.
Chance is a popular word today in the world of science. And why not?
It is the one- word answer to all the questions that scientists always
found very disconcerting. How did the incredibly vast universe with
all its mind-boggling order come about? How did the atom with its
intricate design come? Even the tiniest cell is far more complex than
the biggest factory on earth. How in the wide world did it come from
simple starting elements? Pat comes the reply to all these questions,
with a triumphant smile, "Chance."
The Big Dogma
That there is absolutely no empiric evidence for anything ever having
come by chance doesn't really matter. In the religion of science, there
is one unspoken dogma which practically everyone agrees upon: any
theory, no matter how coherent and systematic, is unacceptable and
"unscientific" if it brings an ultimate creator into the picture. And
conversely, any theory, no matter how improbable and untenable, is
joyfully embraced if it helps in pushing God out. This scientific (?)
mentality is typified by the following statement of William Bonner
(pg 119, Mystery of Expanding Universe), "It is the business of science
to offer rational explanations for all events in the real world, and
any scientist who calls on God to explain something is failing in his
job. This is one piece of dogmatism that a scientist can allow himself."
No wonder then that the chance theory has found many adherents in spite
of the absence of even scanty evidence. For a mind programmed since
birth to think in a mechanistic (read 'atheistic') way, chance is a
far more comforting word to hear than God as the ultimate causative principle.
The monkey business
Now let us consider whether the chance theory is possible leave even in
principle. In the words of the eighteenth century atheistic philosophers
Denis Diderot & David Hume: Given infinite time, nature would by chance
alone eventually hit on the order that we see around us. A modern version
of this theory takes the form of an analogy (first introduced by the
famous Eddington): A monkey, if given infinite time, can by itself type
the works of Shakespeare. To gullible minds trained to worship scientists
as "the champions of truth", this analogy appears plausible. And since
the time scale involved makes it impossible to verify empirically, the
chance theory has assumed the status of an infallible truth.
Let's do some simple common sense analysis of the monkey's typing adventures.
Suppose that you are told to supervise the monkey and suppose you and the
monkey are told to work in 8-hour shifts. Day 1. Both you and the monkey
arrive on time and the monkey sits dutifully in front of the typewriter and
starts typing (Thank goodness!) After 1 hour, what will you see? Some
gibberish. Maybe 1 small word here or there. And at end of the day? Several
pages of meaningless typed pages. You may find a few meaningful words -
but only with great difficulty. (It is after all too much to expect the monkey
to press a spacebar exactly after a meaningful word is completed!)
Day 2. Again the monkey sits down diligently and you sit behind him and he
starts playing. Eight hours later, you are again looking at several printed
pages struggling to find even a few meaningful words somewhere.
Day 10. "History repeats itself" You begin to realize that whoever said that
knew what he was speaking about. The search for meaningful words in streams
and streams of meaningless texts is getting on your nerves.
Day 100. It is obvious to you by now that what you are looking for is never
to be found. Whether it is day 10^0 or 10^2 or 10^1,000 or
10^100000......00000...,
it really doesn't matter. The result of the monkey' typing is always going
to be the same - nonsense. He is not going to learn by experience!
Now let's assume that the monkey starts working in 24 hour shifts (We won't
ask you to supervise, don't worry!) Still that is not going to make any
difference. A 24 hour shift is just like three 8-hour shifts with no break
in between. So just as three 8-hour shifts don't give any fruitful results,
one 24-hour shift will similarly bear no fruit. And just as 8-hour shifts
repeated 10^1000..... times don't lead to any coherent text, neither will
24 hour shifts repeated 10^1000..... times.
The point is that the probability of a monkey typing out all the works of
Shakespeare, if given millions of years, is not an infinitesimally small
number; it is zero. No matter how many millions, billion, quadrillions or
whatever number of years are given to the monkey (assuming he lives that
long!),
still the probability always remains zero.
Thus even in principle randomness does not produce order on any appreciable
scale, irrespective of the time given.
Simple common sense, isn't it? But "common sense is not so common", especially
in Kali Yuga and especially in the scientific community.
So typists, sorry for the false alarm. But don't blame us; we didn't set it on;
rather we are setting it off.
The Small Bang Construction Company
An entrepreneur got really excited when he first heard about the big bang
theory. The very next day he inaugurated his own construction company,
'The Small Bang Construction Company.' His only infrastructure - rods of
dynamite. His mission statement: "Just as a big bang constructed the whole
universe, I will, by small bangs, construct small houses." His business
soon went bankrupt. Don't you think that the big bang theorists should pay
for it? Poor fellow. After all, his only fault is that he believed the big
bangers. Little did he know that his bank account would also experience a
big bang because of his faith in the big bang!
If chance, why copyrights?
When Srila Prabhupada was told that the French scientist Dr J Monod won
the Nobel Prize in 1965 for his theory that everything came by chance,
he at once challenged, "If everything came by chance, then even his theory
came by chance! Then what is his credit?" If everything has come by chance,
why do scientists copyright their theories. Everything has come by chance,
except, of course, their theories! A remarkably self-serving theory,
to say the very least!
Goodbye, Mr Chance.
Nothing comes by chance; even the chance theory doesn't come by chance.
Everything, especially everything well-organized, has an intelligent
designer behind it. So the huge universe and all things in it necessitate
a super-intelligent designer.
So Mr Chance, Goodbye. There is no chance for chance among the intelligent.
But don't worry. There is no shortage of fools in Kali Yuga. You can start
with the nearest "science" university !
From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iyfweekly/
Hmmm...so many post, making me an avid supporter of freedom of choice?
sorry man, but youre the one whos missing the point(s). i guess ill have to explain them more simply for you. you completely did not understand ANYTHING i typed. i hope at least someone on this forum did, or else i wasted a lot of time typing this stuff.
it says in the book, you need to continue to learn stuff or youll wither and die. your mind will stop existing. thats why we need to learn more constantly.
i said, "another thought is: what happens when we know EVERYTHING? i mean, i dont know how many flies flew above 5 feet in 1994, i dont know the birthdays of all the backstreet boys, and i dont know how many windows there are in australia. but who cares?
what happens when we know everything that matters? when we finally discover ALL knowledge; ALL math, ALL science, ALL calculus, ALL chess strategies, etc.? THEN what more can we do? NOTHING. our minds will shrivel up and die. at least according to the book."
i dont know how you get the idea that i want to know the unimportant and perverted, because i said the EXACT opposite. read more carefully or something.
in other words, what i said here was: FORGET about the unimportant. what happens once we know everything WORTH knowing?
you said, "We are here to develop our intellect so that we can understand spirituality as much as possible which is within individual interests."
my question is, WHAT HAPPENS ONCE WE DO THAT? what happens once we DO understand everything there is to understand? do we die then?
next topic to explain:
you said, "True, there are a lots of intellect right now but at the VERY begining, there is ONE GREAT INTEELECT."
how do you know that? you didnt answer my question. maybe there were TWO great intellects. you have no way of knowing. you cant just say there was only one without any reason. this was my question: how can the author of the book know? you both seem to be so sure, but neither of you have any logical reason or proof to believe it.
next topic:
you said, "You seem to say that learning MUST need a physical body. Have you had out of body experience where you couldn't see and couldn't hear, only knowing your own thought? You should ask your higher-self to put you in such situation when u have OBE next time."
dude, did you even read what i said? ill repeat myself: "it says in the book that we need CONTRAST to learn. nature was MADE so we could be curious. if there is NOTHING, how could the Supreme Intellect learn anything? if you were born without ears, a nose, mouth, brain, eyes, feeling, or any body at all, how would you know to walk? or even crawl? or talk, or know anything? you would be in complete darkness."
once again ill explain myself in simpler terms:
imagine being born without any senses. you cant hear, see, smell, taste, feel heat, nothing. it would be as if there was nothing, since you cant perceive anything anyway. just like the great intellect: there was nothing. darkness. zero. could you use astral projection? NO.
but what if you could?
would you then be able to see and understand things? would you be able to learn things and recieve an unlimited understanding? remember, you have no senses, there is no contrast, and you know nothing. if by some freak accident you APed, would you be able to know anything? if so, then blind people should use AP to see again. maybe we've found the cure to deafness/blindness together?
and you still didnt tell me how something not physical can just make something physical out of nothing. are you telling me that if i consentrated hard enough, i could make matter? that would mean
A: BRB, im gonna go make some diamonds out of nothing, and
B: im gonna go consentrate on some enemies of mine and cause the second greatest explosion of all time to happen on them out of nothing. you might wanna be on my good side [:D].
the only possible way i can think of everything coming out of nothing is that we are all the great intellects dream/imagination.
heres another question:
what would happen if the author was president?
you cant make any laws, because that would affect everyones freedom of choice. if you want to kill someone its your choice. but if the family wants to get revenge, its their choice. complete ANARCHY. you CANT make ANY laws.
but wait: you cant make any laws? what happened to freedom of choice? what if i WANT to make laws? what if i CHOOSE to make laws, but i CANT, because it affects other peoples freedom of choice? its a contradiction! do you see that while it sounds like a good idea, it makes NO logical sense? its NOT POSSIBLE for there to be 100% freedom of choice for EVERYONE.
ill admit it was a good read, but its clearly false. i wish i finally knew these god damn answers. i wish i finally knew why we're here and what our purpose is. i guess ill never know. i guess its not possible to know.
What do you mean by knowing everything? Do you mean knowing everything from the past present and future?
If this is your definition, there is NO POINT for existence as all lessons, all understanding and all knowledge in the future have been known.
The Great Intellect (GI) is still evolving gaining new understanding and new knowledge.
The knowledge of building the universe is not obtained from the future but from the past as the GI imagined and improved the design of the universe.
One will NEVER know everything from the FUTURE.
One may know everything from the past and present but there are so much new understanding and new knowledge that can be gained eg from making even a better universe.
At the very beginning, the likelihood that two intellects spring forth at the SAME TIME from nothingness is very less likely than one intellect. As the one intellect evolved, there might be the possibility that another primitive intellect appearing but still, the one which been there is still an intellect which is more intelligent. The more intelligent will teach the primitive intelligent and the more intelligent becomes even more intelligent. Therefore, there is still one great intellect even considering the possibility of two intellects or more before the first physical universe is created. It has been discussed by Tom more clearly in his website. Although, you have the freedom of choice to accept the fact that there are two or more intellects spring forth at the same time but I prefer to accept something which is far more PROBABLE. Which is more probable? If someone tells me that he won two Jackpots consecutively, I would never believe him but I am more inclined to believe he has won a Jackpot before.
The creator of the universe creates the universe so that we could be able to catch up the evolution of consciousness of GI. Contrast is in built in the universe for us to learn faster. Just imagine if there is no contrast, it would takes ages for us to learn. The G.I knows that as it has experienced the situation. Removing everything except the intellect, learning is possible only the intellect INTENDS to learn.
The Alchemists were trying to convert something into gold, they failed because the lack of understanding of the nature of atoms. Now, we can thanks of the understanding of the nature of nuclei. I would congratulate you if you could make diamonds out from nothingness as it already shown that you have gained in depth understanding of consciousness and universe. However, it has been scientifically shown that our conscious concentration can influence even seemingly random events.
There are certainly something we haven't yet explored. Those who have gained in depth understanding of the universe and consciousness will never do such a cruel things as making an explosion towards its enemy just to remove them from physical world.
Sometimes the "law" is a result of wisdom acquired as a result of making mistakes for many generations.
When the "rule" prevents people from suffering (such as suffering food shortages because of overpopulation) - intelligent people agree with such a rule by their own Free Will.
The most important is to EXPLAIN the REASON for the "rule" so that people have a CHOICE to adopt it by their own Free Will. Without a sensible explanation any rule, including "do not kill", can be a seen as a severe restriction of the Freedom of Choice.
The same principle applies in the entire Universe. We have the Freedom of Choice, but certain choices are more sensible than others. Rules (such as 10 commandments for example) should be seen as "advice" of how to make choices in order to avoid suffering and make progress.
Something is for sure, if one doesn't AIM at finding out the purpose of our existence, one will NEVER KNOW.
.........
still none of my questions have been answered fully [:(]
o well. i like that monkey thing though. its weird how sometimes things are so obvious, that we dont even think about it.
Greetings everyone,
It`s an interesting topic here. I just finished the book myself. And found it quiet nice.
There is my opinion on a few subjects that has been mentioned in the book.
God is expanding himself in infinity , through us. So no matter how mush we understand, there is plenty a room for grow.
On a freedom of choice I think it`s more less predetermined before we incarnate. So we do exersice our free will at the Higher Self level. And been a part of God we do carry the same qualities. So in reality slow or fast we still go up in our spiritual development, becouse it`s our nature.
To exercise our free will here on Earth is a matter of following certain morale code for me. For example if somebody attacts me I may choose to respond so they would learn too. Just come from the head `only strong can allow himself to be generous`
I do not fully support the point of view that one learns faster when suffer.
For example you can meet a nice person in your life, and would made an effort to gain her attention. Like by learning poetry etc,
I would say that one can also progress via inspiration. I can be inspired by nature, stars, etc .
And I would not say that money is bad, they are just a tool. And if shopkeeper is gaining unfare profit, we as consumers can choose to carry our shopping in a different place. Of course in some countries there are just few big players on the market. But I would say to all who dislike that kind of situation. You still have to buy certain goods no matter what. And there is always a possibility to change situation. To ensure that the free market prevail. I know there is many homeless people on the streets and not everyone is happy. But instead of trying to manage our limited resources why would`t we just create a new one`s. I would prefere to see myself as co-creator carring abudance and inspiring people, rather that going in to unnessesary suffering patterns. Well I guess that`s my Free Choice[:)]
I see the life as a game of separation, where the one born without knowlege can gain it by using his potential. Just like the Great Intellect once did. I do think that God`s existence, as well as ours is infinite. No begining, no end. We can go through the different transfomations, and even send part of us to explore the material world. What I wanted to say it`s like living in a present moment where the future,past and presented are integrated in one. That what I mean by infinity.
That`s my opinion at the present moment. I can agree or disagree.The choice is yours[:)]
With best regars,
Osiris.
Money is not evil by itself but the accumulation of money and with the goal of making profit are themselves driving our earth into catastrophe .Just look at the world biggest economic engine,the USA.
No one on the earth would like the economy to has a zero growth or even recession. To has growth, consumers has to spend more (and those the natural resources)or the number of people buying the products increases (require increase of human population).If the population is stagnant and the people are buying the same amount of products, there wouldnt be any growth. People come up with suistable development,it only reduces the severity of the problem but fundamentally, economy has to grow.
In a barter system, the accumulation of wealth becomes irrevelant. We tend to get what is NECESSARY rather than what is DESIRED.Individual gains more freedom and independence. In monetary system, we give away such independence and freedom. Worst still, we are being controlled by the financial institutions like puppets. For the wise one, money is a way of comfort, for others, it is a way to gain power over people.
I am not an economist but it is just my humble observation of the way economy works.
Greetings,
I believe until people on Earth will not progress spiritually, there will be no prosperity among us. Once people are advanced enough to use zero point energy devices, use prana as a direct sourse of food, travel in Astral and beyond, etc.. , then the need to relay on the scarsed natural resoursed will diminish.
Financial institutes do tend to exersise control over population. But they are run by the fellow citizens. So it`s up to us to bring changes. To financial institutions, goverment, etc. I started with myself. Hopefully given time, I can develop my person in a way, that I can serve as a positive example to the people. And they might then decide to change they attitude to life.
Once become spiritually developed, people will not encounter greed anymore.
So the planet will be a place, where everyone have a chance to develop themself in a harmony.
It is a challenge to been able to accept love, especially such ultimate one as God sending toward us. Particularly becouse this reqiures us to love fellow beings, with is not always easy.
Intergration is much better than a division, and at one stage it`s a nessesary step for progression.
Economics and spirituality is not an easier topics for me to discuss.
So my post might look that am jumping from one conclusion to another without following the original line. I will try to improve it, in my future posts. BTW there is some interesting material has been published on a Harvard website regarding new economics conseptions. I might post a link later on.
P.S My post could be a bit of topic. So if there will be a considerable interest to discuss it futher, I can start a new thread.
All the best,
Osiris.
ok, this book sounds great but im poor so ive downloaded it (well impatience had a lot to do with it!) only thing is i still havent received the password and my impatience is growing!! grrrrrrr! has anyone read the tom chalko book on auras? im thinking about buying it but id like some reviews first. i dont have much luck with the books i buy!
I read the book last summer and at the time i thought it was ok, im not putting the book down but i have read better. From what i remember he jumped to some conclusions without explaining himself properly.Being a scientist i was surprised by this.
The positive thing about this book is that it may open people up to new ideas especially if they take a more logical side to life.
Jodi I also bought the Tom Chalko book on auras and that wasnt that great either. In reality its not even a book it simply a set of photocopies he typed up (with diagrams and pictures). I remember reading the same book online for free and that wasnt any different from the printed version.
As for the seeing aura bit, the book was too simple to show you that much. The book mostly tries to convince you that the aura exists then theres a few exercises and thats it. I had to wait to get it from australia and i was left unsatisfied.
I have had more luck with robert bruces Guides on how to see auras.
thanks epsilon, il save my money. off to the library now! well, you never know!
Some points in the book takes years to come to realize the truthfulness. The good point is the book gives you a kick into what actually is the purpose of the universe..drawing your own experience...your self-reflecction..you would soon come to your own conclusion with the author which sometimes surpise you in later in years. Initially u have vague ideas of what the author is trying to convey.Even after u read it and u almost forgotten what u have read but strangely it comes back to u through life expereince and self-reflection which strangely your own conclusion agrees so well with the author conclusion.
Agreement without hatred is only reach by agreement given by the free-will of the person. It is not force and it is not laws and it is not regulations. It is wisdom with love.
Adrian, you say:
"This book is not at all related to "The Thiaoouba Prophecy", which
is an entirely different matter altogether".
Excuse me, but did you know that the "Freedom of Choice" book is based on "Thiaoouba Prophecy" and that "Thiaoouba Prophecy" is the 1st reference in the book (see the endnotes)?
The idea for the multiple higher selves, the hierarchical network of consciousness, etc. is all from "Thiaoouba Prophecy". Tom was most inspired by "Thiaoouba Prophecy". And what do you mean by "entirely different matter altogether"? You mean that the book is crap?
I personally find it much easier to draw life experience,psychology and world problems to talk about the importance of cultivating the mind and love rather than telling them the existence of God. It comes a long while for me to realize that.Thanks to the forum, I could see the feedback from other people.
For the reason is simple. People could too draw their life experience to compare, kicking them into self-reflection and gaining more understanding of Self.
I agree, bomokhl. Vast truths lie concealed in plain view, and only experience and good-will can lead to them.
There is a reason why this book is free.. it is mostly rubbish.
1) He is off the mark with his linear time idea... that everything must have a beginning. By definition everything must have an end too if it has a beginning. He's trying to put infinity in a box. In infinity there is no begining, time and space are of course illusions. He has said that in the beginning where there is nothing there is no time... but the isn't the very defininition of a begining to everything is linear time thinking[?].
2) To define a purpose for the entire universe...... no comment[V].
3) Humans are the purpose of the entire universe.... no comment[V].
4) An intellect can cease to exist by choice.... no comment[V].
This passage somes it up "Exercising your own Freedom of Choice in a way that limits anyone elses Freedom of Choice is a direct crime against The Purpose Of The Universe". By his definition even choosing sometihng from the shelf at a supermarket would be a crime against the purpose...[:D]
Life is a GAME to higherselves... I can't see anywhere in this whole book that has written this. There are some good ideas in this book, I liked it a year ago... but don't think it should be sticky threaded... it's home is in the trash can.
1. I know the idea of singularity in the very beginning is very hard to understand. However, I am quite sure that new knowledge flows in one direction. You need lots of knowledge to design a universe. Where is the knowledge came from at the beginning?
The idea of 'time' is not linear stems from the idea that we could easily access the information from the past (akashic record), with sufficient understanding, we could even predict what will happen in the future (like our scientists do in prediction of the weather). However, still, new knowledge gained by the GREAT SPIRIT has to flow in one direction. That doesn't imply that time is linear or non-linear.
2,3,4 It would be great if you can come up with alternative ideas which could agree the observable universe as rational as possible.
Hahaha, You think too mathematically. You miss the meaning! Surely, if you KNOW that your freedom of choice is restricted, what is your feeling? Choosing a can food from a shelf,there are thousands of the same cans food other people can choose, no harm feeling is provoked on other people becuase you reduce one extra choice of the same can food from the shelf. The store is resposible to store up the cans.
I don't see why there needs to be a beginning. I think experiential paths are infinite and the whole universe is conciousness experiencing different paths (obviously there is more awareness concentrated into higher selves, than say in a rock), back to the source if you like, but there is also energy coming from the source simultaneously. There is no time so this process simply IS.
I hate thinking about this stuff so I'm just gonna stop there! Left brain just takes over. Like Tom's!. I understand the word universe as all energy but you are writing 'a universe' like there can be many. In your context you are right you need knowledge to design a universe but there doesn't have to be an ultimate beginning with no knowledge - drop belief of a beginning and then there is always this knowledge its just a question of whether you are aware of it on your path.
I couldn't stop [:D]
I think Tom is just thinking SOO logical about it all it's just silly IMO. I emailed him a question about why suicide is painted negatively in his book, as against the purpose for the universe according to this book... no reply... and not on his forums either.
He is somewhat body ID: higher self would understand this is just another experience - I fly my plane in Desert Combat http://www.desertcombat.com into another person to end my life!!! No big deal!
As for human's being the purpose I would say human bodies are just like computers, built for a purpose, quite what I don't know, just as one would design a computer. I liken them to computer because a) DNA programming b) you look at human bodies and they are like alien's they don't fit with the rest of earth's natural animals. They are just not so important and are temporary vehicles for spirit.
Hehehehe Well I do know if Tom Chakro took the can I was going for I'd be right ticked off and probably remind him of his purpose for the entire universe. [:o)]
Simply IS. I have no idea to what extent your attitude to things with simply IS. Assuming that you have the idea of almost everything is simply IS,
Question: Why does there are gas bubbles in boiling water?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question:Why does USA being attacked by terrorist?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question: Why does human bodies are temporary vehicles for spirit?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question: Why does the experiential paths are infinite?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question: Why does the computer can do so many things?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question: Why does the earth surface temperature increse in an unprecendental rate?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
Question: Why does love has been always been always emphasised in spiritual paths?
Your answer: Because it is simply IS.
So many understanding about the universe, people,environment and spirituality have been missed because of simply IS.
I wish the of cultivation of mind can be reduced into simply IS answer to whatever questions in my mind.
When a high school student learning calculus ask a teacher why 1+1=2 and not 1+1=3 or 4 or 5, the student just demostrated the fact that he hasn't come to understand some simple logic in life. How could more complex logic be instilled? (An analog of your kind of question you posted to Tom)
Just reminded you that the purpose of the computer at the beginning was just to crush some numbers!! Scientists didn't simply invite computer for NO PURPOSE!
greetings,
tom chakro once wrote that spiritual teachers should often position themselves in front of plain-white backgrounds so that potential students can see their yellow aura.
..'nuff said. :)
also, i'll share an experience with the chakra shirt,
i decided to wear my chakra shirt to the gym on day. when i put it on i had the usual experience, waves of euphoria, tears of gratitude etc, BUT when i got to the gym i could hardly lift a thing. i almost stacked it off the treadmill too. what's up with this? i thought.
then i realised that the chakra shirt was over-energising certain chakras and massively depleting others, ie the Gym Chakra. (what more can you expect from someone who fasted for 40 days--that won't get ya big.) so the moral of the story is, if you wanna keep your gym chakra in good shape, stay away from the chakra shirt.
You fasted -- you don't have the strength. That's normal, but how do you conclude it's the shirt's fault?
Hmmmm.... I have no problem of leaving weights...while wearing the chakra shirts..but I dont't fast 40 days and doing weight and aerobic training. Are you joking? Use you common sense.(Unfortunately, I found out from interactions from other people that common sense to me isn't common sense to other people.)
noo it was tom chakro who fasted, not me. i was saying its not surprising that he neglected the gym chakra, because he's a faster. as for doing weight training during a 40 day fast.. lol, that's a good way to get a back injury.
I do regular weightlifting and I do not have any problems while training with the shirt. That is just my long-term experience. Perhaps yours is just as valuable, if you have careful observations over the long term and you isolate other factors that are possibly sapping your energy.
interesting theory. i think the difference is, you do regular weightlifting, whereas i do Gym Reiki Lifting. regular lifting utilises the base chakra (which is included on the chakra shirt), whereas Gym Reiki Lifting involves the Gym Chakra. the gym chakra, btw, is located between the 3rd eye and crown - it has an extremely high spiritual frequency. as such, the path of Gym Reiki will lead one to enlightenment very quickly (or so i am told by my Gym Reiki Master). the name of the game is to consciously co-create the physical form, eventually to become the embodiment of God On Earth. however having said that, i do respect your choice to follow a different path.
Interesting. What do you mean by 'co-create'? I'd like to know the basics of what you are doing, if you could describe them.
The way to prove it, is to use gas discharge visualisation (GDV). Anyone has acessed of GVD pro? Couldn't afford it at the moment. Still a student.
With this GDV instrument you can prove a lot of things.
Such a thing is prohibitively expensive. GDV Camera Pro is 6500 USD without applicable taxes. I wonder also why it has only 1 year of warranty. At such a price no wonder very few people use it or will use it -- except most professional medical researchers who have the funds but are not exactly what you call open-minded to adopt it widely.
Tom Chalko has access to such a tool, so you may want to discuss any relevant tests with him, if you trust that he'll make independent observations.
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Originally posted by vesselinpeev
Interesting. What do you mean by 'co-create'? I'd like to know the basics of what you are doing, if you could describe them.
sure. first of all you need to get attuned to the gym reiki energy, then you take the special dietary supplement codenamed "LDS007" (non-initiates are not allowed to be told the real name of the chemical). this will put you in touch with the Gym Reiki Ascended Masters, who will assist you in choosing the blueprint for your new form.. it will come in the form of visions (some would say hallucinations). that's why it's called co-creating, because you are working together with the GRAMs (quite a high dosage indeed, but its all good) to choose the perfect end-product. you can tell it's activating the gym chakra because of the burning/frying sensation in that part of the head, which is often accompanied by a high-pitched sound.. sszszzszsszssz.
then you basically just let the energy do the work. it'll let you know when you need to go to the gym (pretty often), and it'll help you choose the right protein supplement (musashi 92%), etc. as you proceed, the small 'will to live' gets consumed by the Divine Will to Lift, and life is never the same again!
I am open minded and considering others' experiences, and that's why I also ask:
are you absolutely sure that what you are given as a supplement is not hallucinogenic?
And when you say that life is not the same any more, what do you mean? While doing this 'gym reiki', have you measured actual progress that helps you in everyday life, in the long term, without any negative effects on your physical body or mind?
I'd also very much like to learn more about what you are doing, but have been unable to find online any term 'gym reiki'. Any alternate names? The closest name I've found is 'brain gym'.
Last question -- who are those so-called Ascended Masters and is the 'gym reiki' practice dependent on them i.e. without your connecting to them is it possible to perform it? If it is, have you seen any of those?
Or do you merely mean that you tap into the same level of consciousness as your teachers say is fitting for a so-called Ascended Master, but you don't directly interact with anyone like that?
As you see, I'm trying to think logically for something I do not know :)
wow, thankyou for your interest in Gym Reiki. i'll try to answer your questions in order..
- prehaps :)
- it becomes a big long trip !
- most definately, i'm able to benchpress twice as much these days
- it's called Gym Reiki.. i think it's been mentioned on these forums in the past. it's quite a closed organisation though, because alot of what we do is not condoned by many groups, including the police. if you want to join up, there's probably a gym reiki representative at your gym.. just ask at reception. mention my name (or Jym's), and they'll sort you out.
- the Gym Reiki Ascended Masters are a group of interdimensional beings that you can contact when you take the secret dietary supplement.. you can channel gym reiki energy without the GRAMs but you won't get the same results. as for the ones i have seen, all i can say is, they're bloody huge.
Hi,
Regarding the "monkey business" and chance theory, there is some truth in it. The key word here is "some", especially relative to the subject of intelligent creations.
First, I think that the "monkey typist" analogy was used to bring the idea of the chance theory to people who are not good with numbers, and still use fingers, feet for linear measurement, and words like "small", "king", "jumbo" and so on for sizes. (Americans, please forgive me the pun).
If you look for more exact definitions, then you deal with statistics and its branches.
I will try to illustrate that it is still possible to create a Shakespeare work by using random chance. However, we will need to use a truly random generator, not hypothetical monkey, whose randomness characteristics are not too good.
Let's assume that:
1. The work consists of 100000 characters.
2. The random characters generator gives 1 character per second.
How much time it takes to make an intelligent piece of writing (let's call it "the book")?
The probability of first letter in the book is 1/30 (26 letters + 4 punctuation marks; no capitals!).
The probability of two letters to be a part of the book is 1/30 * 1/30 = 1/(30^2).
...
The probability of 100000 letters to be in order: 1 / (30 ^ 100000). It means that if we have 30^100000- characters size random sequence of letters, then there is a good chance to get our book ready (not considering the job of finding the sequence, which is secondary to our subject).
The time to produce such a sequence is 30 ^100000 seconds, which is approximately...
10^99994 years.
Well, this looks like more then a "jumbo" size number, considering that our universe exist only (according to mainstream official science) for less then 10^10 years. I just can't grasp this number, or find an analogy in real world. (Maybe it is "jumbo"^"king" number [:)] ?).
Incidentally, the speeding up the typing process million times, reduces the total time just... well, it almost doesn't.
So, even if the theory can be good, practically it looks impossible to make anything intelligent just by a chance.
Sincerely,
Dmitri.
Hmmmm....this book puports to explain the meaning of the Universe and why we're here. In a nutshell, the author Thomas Chalko says that the "Great Intellect" (read: God) created us so that we would grow to love him, ... The message isn't a whole lot different than New Age, Christian Mysticism, Buddhist type stuff I've already read. Except that he has created a whole new jargon and series of terms to describe the age-old concepts.
Also, it's important to note that this is the same guy who wrote The Thiaoouba Prophecy, which also purports to explain the meaning of the universe and why we're here. In the header Adrian has stated that this book has nothing to do with the last one. Fine, except that when you write two books, each of which provide a different explanation for the meaning of the Universe and why we're here it seems that you owe the reader an explanation. In the first book he describes a guy, Michael (I think) who was abducted by aliens who took them to their planet and explained to him how they had created life on Earth, yadda yadda.
Anyway, I found a lot of truths in this book - but as I said before they were age-old truths that anyone familiar with New Age thought, and comparitive religions will already have read many times over in a more cohesive format.
And although there were certainly some truths in this book, this man's reasoning logic is very poor which made it hard to take him seriously at all. I'll give a few examples:
1) To prove to us that there is an intelligent creator the author states that It is easier to make a house than a life. And since we know that building a house requires planning and design we can therefore conclude that creating life also must require planning and design – i.e. an intellect behind it.
Well, it sounds good, and most of us believe in some sort of intelligent designer anyway, but it is not logically sound thinking. Just because a less complex thing has a designer it does not logically require that all more complex things also have a designer.
2) He goes on to propose the question of why a house can't construct itself? He concludes because it requires an intellect to imagine and design the house.
Although true, I would say it's that the construction requires assembly which involves movement, and that raw materials don't possess the ability to move themselves in that way. However, biological materials DO possess the ability to move and change and assemble over time to create something else. That doesn't rule out an intellect behind their design but it does show that he's comparing apples and oranges with this example.
3) He states that the only thing required for us to increase our intellect is INTENT (I would suggest raw materials and a pool of knowledge able to be discovered is also necessary, but never mind that). Therefore he says that the way that the "Great Intellect" came into being is that there was nothing, but this nothing had the INTENT of increasing it's intellect and tada - the Great Intellect came into being.
I don't see that that explanation for God's beginning is any better than anything else I've read.
4) Next, in order to prove that there is a purpose and meaning behind our being here he asks, "Can you imagine anything with great intellect building something for no reason and with no purpose?" And from this he asserts categorically that life has a reason and a purpose.
Whatever great intellect is behind all of existence is not subject to the limits of my imagination. It doesn't seem likely from my puny little human perspective that such an intellect would create something for no reason or no purpose, but the very thought of applying my puny little human reasoning to the motives of such an intellect seems patently absurd!
And then he goes on to basically explain that this Great Intellect wanted to love and be loved (never mind that love didn't exist yet) and so he created us for that purpose (warmed over Christian concept) and gave us free will, cleverly disguising it's own existence...
There are thousands of similar logical flaws and innanities in this trite little document, but like I said he seems to be drawing on some very common metaphysical ideas so there are also some truths in here (as my Dad would say, "even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while).
So, I won't discuss all 10,000 of the problems with this book but here's a couple more humorous examples:
1) At some point he concludes that our whole purpose is to develop our own intellects without limits. He thus criticizes religious doctrines and systems that attempt to limit our intellectual development and says that no one should ever put belief systems in place that do this.
Guess what he does next? He does exactly what he just said we should never do, - he lists a set of rules to live by which is essentially a belief system that puts parameters around our intellectual development!!! As per his rules, there should be no:
- Promoting beliefs and belief systems, regardless of their flavor
- Using hypnosis, both individual and collective to implant
beliefs and belief systems (mis-programming the intellect)
- Promoting and sustaining fear of any kind. Examples
include any "fear propaganda" such as promoting fear of
God, fear of disease, fear of death, fear of Hell, fear of
sunshine, or fear of anything else whatsoever.
- Enforcing doctrines and authority of any kind
- Suppressing and ridiculing alternative points of view.
- Interfering with the individual FREEDOM of CHOICE in
any way (like forcing people to follow orders or become
like everyone else for example)
- Disrespect for individuality – following statistics rather
than intellect
- Restricting freedom of thought in any way.
- Clouding of consciousness with drugs, substances and
activities that alter perception
- Reinforcing, promoting and glorifying primitive instincts
- promoting and glorifying violence
Sure, most of these are reasonable but I'm surprised he doesn't see the irony in even presenting such a list!
2) He says that we're all in the dark, but once our intellects are awakened our misconceptions can be corrected quicky - UNLESS WE'VE EVER DONE DRUGS!!! Here's the exact passage and it's hillarious:
"Awakening of the Individual Intellect can result in spectacular reversal of mis-programming. New learning can occur quite quickly, once a person discovers how to use the Intelligence and the Freedom of Choice to regain autonomy. There seems to be only one exception. When a person has used drugs.
One friend of mine told me about a couple of his friends, who experimented with hallucinogenic mushrooms for two months. Only two months. A long time after they stopped - they remain convinced that they are "dolphins". No intelligent conversation is possible. They are "dolphins"..."
Oye!
3) Later when teaching us how to meditate he suggests that we pick a mantra, but not tell anyone because then they might be able to control our minds by telepathically transmitting our mantra to us.
Yeah, right. So then what should I pick as a mantra - well here's his suggestion:
"The most widely known mantra is "ooohmmm" or "aaaaummm", but any other similar word will do..."
Excuse me, but if I pick "Om" - wouldn't a devious mind-controlling psycopath figure that out. Or am I safe because so many people use it that said psycopath wouldn't know whose mind he was controlling?
Anyway, my overall impression of this so-called "theory" is that it needs more time in the oven. At least the Thiaoouba Prophecy was original!!!
[:)]
Hello, RJA,
The book is very logical to me and my life experience relates to it.
Hmmmm....this book puports to explain the meaning of the Universe and why we're here. In a nutshell, the author Thomas Chalko says that the "Great Intellect" (read: God) created us so that we would grow to love him, ... The message isn't a whole lot different than New Age, Christian Mysticism, Buddhist type stuff I've already read. Except that he has created a whole new jargon and series of terms to describe the age-old concepts.
In my opinion, the book is clearer for the average person to understand than any religious teaching on Earth. Most religious books are steeped in embellishments, rituals and other ridiculous contortions of logic in addition to some truths.
The terms introduced are relevant to our technological society, just as many terms have been introduced in all fields of human endeavour.
Also, it's important to note that this is the same guy who wrote The Thiaoouba Prophecy, which also purports to explain the meaning of the universe and why we're here. In the header Adrian has stated that this book has nothing to do with the last one. Fine, except that when you write two books, each of which provide a different explanation for the meaning of the Universe and why we're here it seems that you owe the reader an explanation. In the first book he describes a guy, Michael (I think) who was abducted by aliens who took them to their planet and explained to him how they had created life on Earth, yadda yadda.
As a careful translator and editor of "Thiaoouba Prophecy", I can tell you that Tom Chalko had nothing to do with writing "Thiaoouba Prophecy", whose sole author is Michel Desmarquet.
Yes, in the header Adrian has stated that this book has nothing to do with the last one, and Adrian is completely wrong. In fact, it has a lot to do. The number one bibliographic reference for the Freedom book is "Thiaoouba Prophecy", and the former explains most of the same ideas in Michel's book. And please read "Thiaoouba Prophecy" carefully -- these advanced aliens have NOT created life on Earth.
Just because a less complex thing has a designer it does not logically require that all more complex things also have a designer.
Our civilization is unable to create a single biological cell. If it ever achieves it, how easy would it apply its achievement to creating, say, an animal? Can an animal spring up to life without requiring even greater intelligence?
2) He goes on to propose the question of why a house can't construct itself? He concludes because it requires an intellect to imagine and design the house.
Although true, I would say it's that the construction requires assembly which involves movement, and that raw materials don't possess the ability to move themselves in that way. However, biological materials DO possess the ability to move and change and assemble over time to create something else. That doesn't rule out an intellect behind their design but it does show that he's comparing apples and oranges with this example.
George Gallup, the famous statistician said:
"I could prove God statistically; take the human body alone; the chance that all the functions of the individual would just happen, is a statistical monstrosity."
The human body requires many, many orders of magnitude of intelligent interaction more than the possible interactions of any known raw or biological materials to build all its constituents and synchronize their work -- a statistical MONSTROSITY.
4) Next, in order to prove that there is a purpose and meaning behind our being here he asks, "Can you imagine anything with great intellect building something for no reason and with no purpose?" And from this he asserts categorically that life has a reason and a purpose.
Whatever great intellect is behind all of existence is not subject to the limits of my imagination. It doesn't seem likely from my puny little human perspective that such an intellect would create something for no reason or no purpose, but the very thought of applying my puny little human reasoning to the motives of such an intellect seems patently absurd!
What are the limits of your imagination? Have you really explored them?
And then he goes on to basically explain that this Great Intellect wanted to love and be loved (never mind that love didn't
exist yet) and so he created us for that purpose (warmed over Christian concept) and gave us free will, cleverly disguising
it's own existence... There are thousands of similar logical flaws and innanities in this trite little document...
Why not want to love and be loved? Being a Great Intellect, it knew it could create something great, and it could be done only through love. Why so?
If you look on a small, puny scale, within yourself, YOU will see that the only way to create something truly GREAT is to do it through LOVE. As you create something living that you so much love, in order to perpetuate that love, you must give full FREEDOM to your creation to develop independently, or it would not be given a chance to love you, in which case you would not have created anything truly great (because love wasn't sustained by it). Greatness and love are so interconnected that a great intellect designing for experiencing reciprocal love from its own great living intelligent creation (i.e. humans) is a VERY logical conclusion. If you have alternatives to love, please let us know.
If you think there are logical flaws, develop an enhanced theory and write it down for many others to examine. Tom Chalko's writing
is not a gospel. It describes valuable ideas that make very good sense to some of us and which in the first place need further extensive empirical research. Some of us are already doing something about it.
Guess what he does next? He does exactly what he just said we should never do, - he lists a set of rules to live by which is
essentially a belief system that puts parameters around our intellectual development!!! As per his rules, there should be no:
- Promoting beliefs and belief systems, regardless of their flavor
- Using hypnosis, both individual and collective to implant
beliefs and belief systems (mis-programming the intellect)
- Promoting and sustaining fear of any kind. Examples include any "fear propaganda" such as promoting fear of God, fear of disease, fear of death, fear of Hell, fear of sunshine, or fear of anything else whatsoever.
- Enforcing doctrines and authority of any kind
- Suppressing and ridiculing alternative points of view.
- Interfering with the individual FREEDOM of CHOICE in
any way (like forcing people to follow orders or become
like everyone else for example)
- Disrespect for individuality – following statistics rather
than intellect
- Restricting freedom of thought in any way.
- Clouding of consciousness with drugs, substances and
activities that alter perception
- Reinforcing, promoting and glorifying primitive instincts
- promoting and glorifying violence
Sure, most of these are reasonable but I'm surprised he doesn't see the irony in even presenting such a list!
There is no irony that I can find. The above statements do not encroach on individual independence and critical thinking in any way, they only stress the need for them. If they advised against them, then that would be irony, but this is not the case.
2) He says that we're all in the dark, but once our intellects are awakened our misconceptions can be corrected quicky -
UNLESS WE'VE EVER DONE DRUGS!!! Here's the exact passage and it's hillarious:
"Awakening of the Individual Intellect can result in spectacular reversal of mis-programming. New learning can occur quite quickly, once a person discovers how to use the Intelligence and the Freedom of Choice to regain autonomy. There seems to be only one exception. When a person has used drugs.
One friend of mine told me about a couple of his friends, who experimented with hallucinogenic mushrooms for two months.
Only two months. A long time after they stopped - they remain convinced that they are "dolphins". No intelligent conversation
is possible. They are "dolphins"..."
So what is so hilarious in the tragedy of real people being permanently stuck to a dolphin self-image?
Do you realize what you are laughing at?
Wishing you the best on your spiritual quest,
Vesko
Vesselinpeev,
Thanks for your response. I appreciate that others might find wisdom in Chalko's book. As I said he seems to have reitereated many spiritual truths that I've read other places.
And I should make it clear that I didn't disagree with most of his assertions, such as that there is an intelligent creator or that we were created for a purpose. What I pointed out is that his arguments for these things were not logically sound, in my opinion.
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The book is very logical to me and my life experience relates to it.
If it works for you, that's great. Each of us must seek truth in our own way, and truth comes disguised in a variety of forms for us to find it.
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...Yes, in the header Adrian has stated that this book has nothing to do with the last one, and Adrian is completely wrong. In fact, it has a lot to do. The number one bibliographic reference for the Freedom book is "Thiaoouba Prophecy", and the former explains most of the same ideas in Michel's book. And please read "Thiaoouba Prophecy" carefully -- these advanced aliens have NOT created life on Earth.
I guess I look with extreme skepticism on any claims involving alien abductions and their relationship to my spiritual life. There are any number of these types of philosophies that have been tossed around over the years. I haven't read anything in the Zeta threads on here, but I believe the "Zetas" advocate some entirely different philosophy having to do with aliens and our purpose here on Earth...or perhaps it's the same as the Thiaoouba Prophecy, I'm not sure. Also, there was that Hale-Bopp cult a few years ago who believed that aliens on the Hale-Bopp comet were going to pick them up as it swung by the Earth. And I'm sure there are many more.
No offense to those who adhere to one of these many alien philosophies but I do not find them credible.
And no offense again, but I have difficulty with your credibility considering that in your profile you claim to be 2,396 years old. I do not believe any one on this planet is older than about 120 years and if you were 2,396 years old I would think that you would have read so widely on the subject of spirituality that the information in this book would seem to you, like it does to me, - "rehashed".
I have mixed feelings about casting aspersions as to your credibility because I'm sure you are a nice person. And I am widely tolerant in my religious views but since you claim to be 2,396 years old I feel compelled to be honest with you and let you know that I not only disbelieve you, but that such a claim causes me to doubt your credibility in other areas. Even though I've only been posting here a short time I've noticed that there are a lot of posters here who seem to role-players rather than spiritual seekers.
However, although this may not be the forum for it I would love to here from you, how it is that you have come to be 2,396 years old and how after all that time your spirtual search brought you to regard the Thiaoouba Prophecy and Freedom of Choice as spiritual truth.
Peace to you. [:)]
Hello,
Thank you for not starting a flame -- you too are a nice guy, you know.
I corrected my profile, lest it confuses more people that I want to show off. It'd be very worried if anyone else thought so. Now, the age of my current physical body is 24. The previous age was formed by combining 2003 and 1996, two years of great significance in my life.
I too am repulsed by the amount of misinformation regarding aliens. Billy Meier and Riley Martin have similar accounts to Michel's, but their stories have ridiculous, outrageous inconsistencies that easily expose them as crooks running businesses to deceive the gullible. The grays from Zeta Reticuli probably exist, but I doubt their agendas have anything to do with the vast majority of circulating info. And why I can't seem to accomodate the existence of the reptileans, whose direct descendant, according to the confident David Icke, is the British Queen Mother...
For me, books I read are nothing more than hints, some more so. Even the best books are unable to give you knowledge, but they can present more choices to you. I try to think critically and intensively all the while while testing sensible ideas, including those from books.
Since you've read my profile, I will tell you I am finishing my professional training in Canada, and will be going to Washington, DC for two weeks after this one. Feel free to contact me, and even if I don't have enough time for discussions right now, I'll be sure to get back to you later, I promise. It's great to have friends who have different perspectives on life but who also have high ideals close at heart.
-Vesko
Just because a less complex thing has a designer it does not logically require that all more complex things also have a designer.
Hahaha......Does it means that appearance of complex things are more probable without a designer than with a designer? It is my freedom of choice to choose something which is far more probable although people has the freedom of choice to believe otherwise.
biological materials DO possess the ability to move and change and assemble over time to create something else
Back to the same question, how does this intricate universe appear? Oh, it is due to randomness? If you think the universe is created out of randomness, I cannot further explain anything to you.
In strictest speaking, no one can explicitly states rules for us to obey without understanding the reasons behind. I prefer to use the word guidance. True 'laws' and 'rules' are the crystallisation of centuries of wisdom and the inhabitants agree with their own free-will to observe such 'laws' and 'rules' as the wise inhabitants know that if they go against such 'rules' and 'laws' there will be unhappiness and suffering. This has been discussed the in reader forum
I agreed with vesselinpeev that there are just too much misinformation about aliens. It doesn't take a day or a week to see through the truth behind about other information about aliens after reading Thiaoouba Prophency. But the book freedom of choice makes certain truth about aliens more easily discernable but it takes months! There is no SHORT CUT towards evolution of consciousness. Even if information is given, it takes time to digest and to think. After that, you have developed effective ways of spotting such misinformation.
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Oh, it is due to randomness? If you think the universe is created out of randomness, I cannot further explain anything to you.
You missed my point entirely. I believe the universe was created by an intelligent designer. I stated clearly in my post that i DID NOT disagree with the author's conclusion, but that his logic was poor. You are so eager to disagree with me that you obviously did not even bother to understand my post.
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In strictest speaking, no one can explicitly states rules for us to obey without understanding the reasons behind. I prefer to use the word guidance. True 'laws' and 'rules' are the crystallisation of centuries of wisdom and the inhabitants agree with their own free-will to observe such 'laws' and 'rules' as the wise inhabitants know that if they go against such 'rules' and 'laws' there will be unhappiness and suffering. This has been discussed the in reader forum
To even construct a list of rules is a sign of folly because any list of rules automatically sidelines your purported truth by creating a "legalist" structure in which your rules take center stage and provoke endless and meaningless debate (ala the 10 commandments). For example, it's absurd to caution against using drugs because people will debate till the cows come home the meaning of that caution. All drugs? Aspirin? Moderate alcohol use? Caffiene? What about anesthetics during surgery? What about painkillers for the terminally ill? Herbs?
Also, in that same commandment he prohibited (I forget his exact wording) any activity that alters consciousness. Well, - meditation does that and he explicity did recommend that.
As I mentioned before his document was riddled with contradictions (don't force rules on someone, by the way here's my list of rules, don't let anyone know what your mantra is, but you might try using "Om", don't let anyone limit your personal freedom but believe what I tell you) and age-old spiritual ideas presented as new. Quite frankly the assertion that he arrived at this after years of meditating hours a day is a bit laughable. Chalko is apparently just one more person trying to gain a following and control what others believe.
If it works for you great, but as I've stated before I don't buy into the alien stuff. If it fosters spiritual growth for you, - great! We are all just spiritual beings tryin' to figure it out and none of us (not even that Michael guy or Chalko) have a corner on spiritual truth. When someone tells me they know all the answers I run the other way because I know that when it comes to spirituality the value is in discovering truths for ourselves, not in just having someone else spoon-feed us their version of the truth (and in this case a set of rules to live by).
Peace. [:)]
We will be very happy if you can improve the logic. How could it be expressed in more concise and yet logical way?? We will be pleased if you could state the other ways.
That's exactly WHY I say that any 'rules' or 'laws' cannot be enforced (as it restricted our freedom of choice). Anyone is free to make any choices. If someone hurt and torture you emotionally, you have the freedom of choice to response in whatever way within your conscience. For someone people, it is their conscience to murder them to others, it will be different.
You might have agreed with your own free-will not to murder him as you know the consequences that lead after such action.
I see only such set of rules just a recommendation.
Probably, the author should clarify such in an updated version of e-book rather than discuss in the reader forum. I will inform him of such.I understand that the set of rules give some sort of contradiction of the understanding of freedom of choice if no clarification is given.
When agreement of such 'rules' are given individual free-will, no anger and annoyance are provoked in the process. We are all working towards maximazing love.
The so called "Universal laws" are the observation and the mechasnism of the universe which can be proven by keen observers. After much proven by their own minds and observations, they agree with their free-will that this is the 'universal laws'.
Spoon-feed 'truth' is just beliefs which are extremeely determental to the minds. To know is to understand, to understand is to observe and verify by your own minds and your own experience. It is the philosophy of Buddhism.
How can a book prohibit you doing what you can do? Who enforce the prohibition?
The book doesn't recommend the use of hallucinational drugs to achive altered consciousness. Do you know why hallucinational drugs are dangerous and meditation are not? I cannot enforce or prohibit the use of such drugs from other people. They themselves are the person who can enforce themselves if they choose to do so or althernatively choose to take hard drugs as whatever reasons in their minds that justify such actions.
I don't attach much into the alien stuff. Some of the history of the earth is too hard to be proven by myself. I prefer something more practical, something where the proof can easily exist in one mind through observation and gaining understanding.
I will state all the 'contradictions' you mentioned to the author so that people wouldn't misunderstand the messages. I understand why you see such the contradictions. Thanks for pointing it you so that a better and more clearer message can be included in the e-book.
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Sometimes the "law" is a result of wisdom acquired as a result of making mistakes for many generations.
When the "rule" prevents people from suffering (such as suffering food shortages because of overpopulation) - intelligent people agree with such a rule by their own Free Will.
The most important is to EXPLAIN the REASON for the "rule" so that people have a CHOICE to adopt it by their own Free Will. Witout a sensible explanation any rule, including "do not kill", can be a seen as a severe restriction of the Freedom of Choice.
The same principle applies in the entire Universe. We have the Freedom of Choice, but certain choices are more sensible than others. Rules (such as 10 commandments for example) should be seen as "advice" of how to make choices in order to avoid suffering and make progress.
(C) Tom Chalko
Good quote, bomohkwl.
RJA, in both books the advice applies to hallucinogenic drugs only.
Neither Michel nor Tom claim to have all the answers, far from it. It may be your perception that they are even after world domination, but you won't find any such aspirations directly in any sentence or word in either book. And according to me, no such aspirations are implied either. I am sure bomohwkl completely agrees with me.
Michel currently lives in the Vietnamese jungle, away from civilization. Tom Chalko resides at Mt. Best, Australia, and from what I've gathered from my frequent contacts with him, he has written the book without ulterior motives and out of a desire to find more intelligent people to communicate with.
Warmest regards,
Vesko
i like the way tom charko convince the reader that they should abandon their old rules, but it gives me the diarrhea when he tries to set rules of his own for people to follow.
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Rules (such as 10 commandments for example) should be seen as "advice" of how to make choices in order to avoid suffering and make progress. [/i]
(C) Tom Chalko
Hi I'm new here :)
I don't know if this is the right place to ask but I'll do it anyway :)
I've read Thiaoouba Prophecy few times now. It truly is the best book I've ever read, and I am convinced that it is 100% true. There is something that I don't quite understand though and I hope someone will help me to understand....
On the beginning of the book, in the earths parallel universe, Thao says that time has stoped for those people living there. They don't feel anything, nor do they eat there, simply because they don't feel the need to eat. Now, what I don't understand is where do they get their energy from if they don't eat? Also, don't you think that they would sooner or later find out that they don't feel a thing, and thereby commit suicide? I mention this because Thao said that if the people, living there, found out that they couldn't feel a thing, they would be tempted to commit suicide. Thao also said that the bodies won't even rot there. Does that mean that the cells of the dead body keep regenerating? I am sorry if this sounds too stupid but I'm just trying to understand :)
PS. Sorry for my bad english :)
Mirzet,
Great you have read the book and like it. It IS unique. First time I read it in 1998, I cried at certain pages. I've been pondering over it all for a long time :) and I like it all even more, now that I've got more understanding and experience, clearing some misconceptions about the text.
The best person to tell you the answer for this detail is Tom Chalko, who has known Michel personally for a long time, and is authorized by him. Michel has withdrawn himself from civilization.
Go to http://www.thefreedomforum.com and post your question there.
If you do not get a reply within a reasonable period, you can mail it to the webmaster (Tom). Tell him you are new to this and he'll be sure to answer any questions you have.
Warmest regards,
Vesko
Indeed, it is one of the best books on earth. It has open my eyes on many subjects. I am so glad that I have found this book, and that I was open enough to read it through. It has really moved me. And I do hope that many other will read it also.
Vesko, thank you for taking time to answer my post. I will send an e-mail to Tom and see if he can answer my questions [:)]
mirzet,
Good questions, - I'd like to hear the answers too. I just re-read the first the chapters today and have a bunch more questions but I'll post most of them later.
But regarding those people lost in that "warp", Thao (the gigantic alien hermaphrodite) explained that all of the people in the warp had accidentally got there and that the only way out was to be sent back to our regular universe or to die. But Thao said that suicide would still be wrong for them and it wouldn't be advisable to send them back to the regular universe. Thus when Thao killed a few of them she said she was actually doing them a favor because now they could get on with their journey...
So, why didn't she kill ALL OF THEM and let all of them out of the accidental purgatory?
Also, when they stopped by that other planet to gather radiation samples on their way back we were told that a nuclear disaster 150 years earlier had brought about this situation where deformed humans, living like primitives were beset by 6-foot cockroaches and ants the size of cows.
Why, in 150 years, did ants and cockroaches grow to be as big as cows? That seems like bad sci-fi to me. I think an evolutionist here would suggest that that sort of change would take millions of years to occur on Earth and that radiation wouldn't "speed up" the process.
Anyway, - maybe the answers will be provided later but I'm really curious! [:)]
Anyway, I'll post more questions later as I read more!
Oh, also here's another nagging question that I had after reading the first three chapters:
After those blacks and yellows came to Earth and the bad blacks moved to Africa, they began spiritually oppressing their population. Thao, the gigantic space hermaphrodite, explained that the Thiaooubians decided to intervene because they didn't want these people being spiritually oppressed.
So they communicated telepathically with one priest and told him to change things. The other priests called him nuts. At this point, Thao said that they could have destroyed the priests and communicated directly with all the people, but they didn't because this was a "delicate" situation and that it would have been psycologically harmful to the people since they were just used to following orders.
So, instead of communicating directly with the people and killing the priests, they proceeded to communicate directly with the people and kill the priests?! They telepathically commanded all 500,000 of them to evacutate the city (via one set of gates) in the dead of night and then watch in terror as their entire city (and the 12 evil priests) were reduced to rubble!
Now that's what I call psycologically damaging! And if that's how they handle a "delicate" situation I don't want to be around when they decide to be less tactful!
Also, if they were interested in freeing these people spiritually, then why did they claim to be God while they were doing it? They said from the clouds that this is what happens when you make God angry and that from now on you better do what the Great Priest (the one they let live) says, or worse things will happen.
How does that foster spiritual freedom?
Also, we're led to believe that these people acted like primitives and began stories about Gods in "chariots of fire". But we're told that these people were familiar with space ships (they had them before), levitation, telepathy, and had weapons capable of great destruction. So if they were acquanted with all of this stuff wouldn't they recognize the gigantic space alien hermaphrodites' tactics as those of a technologically superior race, rather than believe that they were God?
Also, if the gigantic space alien hermaphrodites were willing to intervene when some of the people were being spiritually oppressed why didn't they lift a finger shortly thereafter to prevent the entire civilization (and millions of people) from being decimated by an asteroid?
I'm really seeking to understand this so I'd appreciate any help I could get. Again, maybe these questions will be cleared up as I read farther.
Thanks in advance for the help! [:)]
It is said that time has stopped in "warp" . I have no idea why does time stop in "warp" and I have no idea what actually is time in real physical world.
RJA said,
So, why didn't she kill ALL OF THEM and let all of them out of the accidental purgatory?
My answer, " Chuckle.....You will know the asnwer when you understand more."
RJA said,
that sort of change would take millions of years to occur on Earth and that radiation wouldn't "speed up" the process
My answer, "Radiation can mutate the genetic of the cells. Living things are designed to survive. Probably millions of ants have gentically mutated with is DNA information rendered useless but one of them has mutated and obtained information in its DNA with a survival edge and thus multiplies.
Interesting article,
http://www.enn.com/features/1999/04/040999/superbug_2581.asp
I just want to say that the book "The Freedom of Choice" is, in my opinion, the BEST book ever written (on this planet). I have spent 1 year verifying, questioning, pondering, attempting to criticize and completely adoring this book. The logic is practically FLAWLESS.
Some people were criticizing the logic earlier in this topic. I think EVERY problem you had with the logic, I've had at some point in the past year. What I did was, I thought hard about it, asked the author questions and FOUND MY ANSWER. The amazing thing is, when I re-read the book, I noticed that the book ALREADY STATED THE ANSWER TO MY PROBLEM, every time. I've said "How could I miss that!" so many times.
So, I recommend that EVERYONE read/re-read this book. Also; Instead of finding a problem... assuming you're right... and then dismissing the book, I really hope you try to get the problem 'resolved', it really is worth it.
- at least that is what I think at my current level of understanding. [:)]
Meedan
Meedan,
agree 100%.
I agreed with Meedan 100%
About the idea that "How could I miss that!" so many times"
I think because we havent yet realized and really understood the DEPTH of meaning of the sentences.
There is no SHORT-CUT to conscious evolution. You already know that.
I just finished reading Freedom of Choice for the first time and intend to read it again. I liked the book but I don't think I comprehended everything. I did find some confirmation in the book. I feel it explains the Great Intellect (God) and our purpose. I've always kept myself open to the idea that even though I cannot comprehend something, that something still has a possibility. Not understanding something is not a reason to dismiss it. I've been given a new outlook on life. Some things are clearer now.
Traveler,
first off, great to hear you enjoyed the book, it certainly is mind expanding.
I have read the book 5-6 times, each time I find some new understanding. I must admit, I didn't appreciate the content until the second time I read it.
I would also suggest checking out www.thefreedomofchoice.com it has hundreds of questions and answers to the topic.
Best regards
Greetings everyone,
I do not often recommend books here, but here is one I would certainly suggest that everyone reads if at all possible:
http://theFreedomofChoice.com
(Free download in Acrobat PDF format)
This is written by Dr. Tom Chalko of "The Thiaoouba Prophecy" and Chakra shirt fame, and who takes probably the most difficult subject of all, and makes an excellent job of discussing it.
I will not add my own comments on his words specifically, and neither do I profess to agree with everything he says, but there is no doubt that this work contains some extremely relevant theories and teachings.
This book is not at all related to "The Thiaoouba Prophecy", which is an entirely different matter altogether [:)]
With best regards,
Adrian.
dedicated forum at
http://www.goldenplanetforum.com/index.php
I applied to get it, I love free books.
I told the truth in why I can't afford it, even though I sort of can, I have more important expenses.
I'm a bit confused and you could say i'm stuck on page 10.Guy tells you that creating life or bringing dead back to life is more difficult than building a house and expects you to agree with him before proceeding.How are we supposed to know that?It's like saying walking is easier than swimming .Perhaps there are dimensions were ability to create life is a given while building a house is wee more difficult?!Is this the perfect logic you people are talking about with regards to this book?
That's what they talk about in that?
*shifts book down on reading list*
I think Freedom of Choice overstates itself as a book with "all the answers". Although I enjoyed some of the concepts discussed in it, it certainly does not provide a revolutionary concept on "the purpose of your own existence" and it's not something "YOU totally agree with" as a claimed "formula" for the universe.
In my personal opinion after reading it once, I found that much is abstracted and many relating problems with the theories presented are left without adequate analytical inspection.
Also, I purchased a Chakra shirt from Tom Chalko's website, and even though it doesn't work for me it looks totally awesome!
Alex
No book has all the answers, life would be boring if that were true, and we wouldn't have libraries and bibliophiles. I love bibliophiles.