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Ewok

There's little time left. Hope this post helps. In this post apocalyptic time i hear a calling.

To become sort of a monk on my last leg of my spiritual journey.

I feel when i obstrain from guilty pleasures my spiritual progress expands so i've been thinking: NO alcohol, no smoking cigs, ecigs, pipes, cigars. No sex. No drugs (except for benzos) and very specific diet: bread and milk mostly.

This should give me a boost.

Anyone else have any ideas?


ps.

There is one more thing i had in mind: i brought some dirt/dust from Australian red desert many years ago, it would be nice to shave head and spread/cover my head with it, but unfortunately i lost the dirt...

Ewok

To be honest i dont know how i can pull this thro...

I am under BIBLICAL ammounto of stress, pain and negativity, and yes drinking and smoking my ecig takes the edge off

:cry:

Ewok

#2
Going on a spiritual quest isnt something new to me

i did many such things... such as in 2003 i would go camping in nature and not eat anything / fast with just water for 3 days while reading Bible and spiritual literature. I did extract quite a lot of spiritual beneficial material thanks to that quest...

That was back then, with no psychic attacks or negativity.

My great spiritual struggle started 9 years ago and i lived thro hell... now things are much different than 2003 and im more confused and stressed than ever

Stillwater

I would just say be sure you have the proper provisions for the area you are camping. No use going on a spiritual journey if you run into problems that cut you short!

It is your own personal choice... but for me, if I felt better, or had a boost when I wasn't using substances like cigarettes or alcohol, I would just leave them behind and not look back!

About the negative attacks... pretend they don't exist, and tell yourself you have more power over yourself than anyone else, and I think you will find they will play a progressively lesser role in your life overtime, until you don't even experience them at all; I don't think it matters if they are actually happening or not. The result will be the same regardless most likely.

Goodluck this time, and I hope the time is meaningful to you!
"The Gardener is but a dream of the Garden."

-Unattributed Zen monastic

Bluefirephoenix

bread and milk is not a good diet to work with. Lets try fruits and vegetables. Use lentils for protein, but also have a complete protein in small amounts.  A complete protein is fish, milk cheese eggs. This will accomplish the purpose and be healthier  for your body. Poisoning your body by a poor diet does not help with purification and if you get to a point where your having energy rushes it will make you feel icky

Kzaal

To me fasting and diet for spiritual attainment is not really good.
Satisfaction of the belly is important because you don't have to think about it while meditating
You know that the cowl doesn't make the monk. Same goes for the diet/fasting.

I thought a lot about going in a Monk Temple to meditate there and hopefully get better but,
after a few years I understood that Churches/Temples are all inside us and not the opposite.
Sure it might be more calm to meditate there and easier. But you don't need that stuff.
Same goes for the fasting and diet, it's not healthy.

Here's what I meant in better words from the Tao:
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Therefore the sage seeks to satisfy (the craving of) the belly, and not the (insatiable longing of the) eyes.
He puts from him the latter, and prefers to seek the former.

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To me this means, You don't need to go on a fasting/diet to accomplish enlightenment.
If your goal is to be spiritually advanced, then why go on another path when you can go straight for it.
Some people say fasting helps but, I've never done any and personally I prefer to keep my belly satisfied.
If you are devoted to your spiritual evolution, you won't think about this stuff. You'll go straight to it.
Beside, fasting will reduce your energy immensely and you might not remember everything you learned.

Food is not a desire, it's a need.
To me fasting is not a need. You don't need to fast to advance spiritually. Only devotion on it will.

Removing your desires is however is rewarding.
I don't know if you have read about the 3 poisons in Buddhism but that actually explains it all.
It's not about cigarettes, smokes, sex or rock and roll lol...

Basically it's about removing the ignorance (confusion, bewilderment, delusion), the attachment (desire, passion, greed), and the aversion (anger, aggression, hatred)

Once you are clear of theses poisons you don't need fasting or anything.
You can even have sex if you want. As long as it doesn't fall back in those 3 poisons.

It's all about that to me.
The partial becomes complete; the crooked, straight; the empty,
full; the worn out, new. He whose (desires) are few gets them; he
whose (desires) are many goes astray.

Stillwater

Buddhism also has a lot to say about fasting. The origin story of Buddhism, the story of Siddhartha, relates how he was once a samana, and sought to purify himself through extreme fasting. The way the story is usually told is that he ate a grain of rice a day, lol. Anyhow, the thing that snapped him out of that lifestyle was that he was said to have heard a musician tuning their stringed instrument, and he remarked how when it was too loose, it was useless, and when it was too tight it snapped. This metaphor is used to illustrate one of the principle doctrines in Buddhism, which is the concept of the "Middle Way"; essentially Siddhartha decided he needed to live his life like the string. He needed enough self control that his mind and actions were focused, and without waste. But a person still needs basic sustenance he reasoned, so for this reason Buddhism does not promote the intense fasting some forms of Hindu mysticism do.

I tend to agree with this perspective myself.
"The Gardener is but a dream of the Garden."

-Unattributed Zen monastic

Kzaal

Quote from: Stillwater on November 16, 2014, 18:26:45
Buddhism also has a lot to say about fasting. The origin story of Buddhism, the story of Siddhartha, relates how he was once a samana, and sought to purify himself through extreme fasting. The way the story is usually told is that he ate a grain of rice a day, lol. Anyhow, the thing that snapped him out of that lifestyle was that he was said to have heard a musician tuning their stringed instrument, and he remarked how when it was too loose, it was useless, and when it was too tight it snapped. This metaphor is used to illustrate one of the principle doctrines in Buddhism, which is the concept of the "Middle Way"; essentially Siddhartha decided he needed to live his life like the string. He needed enough self control that his mind and actions were focused, and without waste. But a person still needs basic sustenance he reasoned, so for this reason Buddhism does not promote the intense fasting some forms of Hindu mysticism do.

I tend to agree with this perspective myself.

This is an extremely good comparison for fasting, you can't really get better than that lol.
The partial becomes complete; the crooked, straight; the empty,
full; the worn out, new. He whose (desires) are few gets them; he
whose (desires) are many goes astray.

IAmWill

spiritual quest is new to me, i wonder how it goes. keep us updated please :)
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