How do you stop reincarnation, is it possible to do it within one lifetime? I would like to think that it is.
Well, a generally accepted belief among people who practice astral projection is, that after death you (your higher self) decides when, where, how, who you will be "reincarnated". It's not something you would want to stop. Stopping it would mean stopping to experience, and that is the whole point of life.
Are you scared of losing your personality?
Hope that clears things up, but everyone has different beliefs.
Quote from: Lighten on February 02, 2009, 00:26:05
Well, a generally accepted belief among people who practice astral projection is, that after death you (your higher self) decides when, where, how, who you will be "reincarnated". It's not something you would want to stop. Stopping it would mean stopping to experience, and that is the whole point of life.
What a great answer Lighten, clear, simple and to the point. I would have taken half an hour to explain it.
Depending on your belief system, Reincarnation will stop when you have learned all the lessons you have needed to learn.
If you were to prevent yourself from reincarnating, I think it would only be preventing you from further ascending in the spiritual realms.
I myself am an old soul, not only is this something I feel, but it has been validated for me (Through Clairvoyants, If you believe in such)
A lot of religions who believe in reincarnation have a goal- that is to 'get off the wheel'. This means to stop reincarnating.
Theoretically we're here because we desire to be. When we no longer desire to be here (in a higher self way) we won't. Buddhists and some other Mystics call this 'enlightenment'- That is what you 'achieve/realize/ do' to not have to be here.
Lighten: I would want to stop being incarnated, because I feel like karma has brought me to this stage. Billions of people in this world live their whole life based on physical pleasures and overindulgence. Eastern or Western, that's just the way people are.
Buddha said that karma has brought us to wherever we are at in life. He also said that we are not a prisoner to karma. So, whatever stage you're at in life, buddha says that karma has brought you there. If I am at this stage in life, maybe that means I am ready to fight my karma? I don't know the answers to these things, if I did then it would just be my ego talking.
Your asking the wrong questions.
maybe a few fun facts will clear things up....
1. Your higher self, (who has experienced much more than you and knows whats good for you) put you here for a reason. When you die, you and your higher self will do the same thing again. try not to think about it. Just find out why you are here and how you can help the world.
I am only asking how to free yourself from the cycle of reincarnation. Pretty much all of the cultures who believe in reincarnation have a belief that if you live a good enough life, then you can liberate yourself from this cycle. I was simply asking what path one might take if you were to attempt this.
May I suggest following the path of the religions who say you can escape it in the first place. Because, as I have explained, in my belief system there is not way to escape it. I don't think it even exists. We choose to be here and we can choose not to come back. Simple as that. If you believe otherwise follow the religion that tells you that you can escape reincarnation.
OR
Find your own truth and stop taking things other people say as factual. Just because a religion has been around a long time and has many followers doesn't mean they are correct with all things. Finding your own truth will always serve you best.
If you are truly ready to "ascend" then you will do it physically. You will be physically "translated" into "higher" realms cell by cell, until you do not exist physically anymore. That's what the inner teachings of mystery schools and etc. all hint at, but attainment is extremely rare. Your awareness becomes such that your "physical body" and "spiritual body" become one to you (you become like the creator) and you can create/manifest your physical body at will. It's also suggested that you can then assume any form whatsoever (everything is made of consciousness after all, don't you know?), and really you transcend your individual personality anyway and become more like an "un-carnated" intelligent force of energy. You will no longer have a sense of self. I can hardly imagine what it would even be like to exist in such a state.
In the Bible Elijah and Enoch are given as two examples by mystery teachings influenced by Christianity,
QuoteThe Bible says that "Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven" (2 Kings 2:11), "Enoch was translated that he should not see death" (Hebrews 11:5), and "God took him" (Genesis 5:24), and Moses appeared in the transfiguration with Jesus (Matthew 17:3).
http://ecclesia.org/truth/enoch.html
and there are many other examples of "immortals" or etc. from other cultures. In Judaism there is even a tradition of leaving an empty seat open on a certain holiday, maybe Passover, I forget, with the idea in mind that Elijah or Enoch might suddenly return and wish to share the meal. This tradition is supposedly a reference to the fact that these enlightened, translated "people" can go where and when they like and could potentially pop up anywhere for any purpose.
I could offer more information, but obviously this is all theory to me. I am practicing the "Royal Art" from a book utilizing Alchemical symbolism as well as a lot of teachings drawn from other cultures, and the eventual goal of this art is what I am describing now. The author is very knowledgeable and actually teaches a form of astral projection as part of the "path," which is present in the work from the start and just builds so that you are constantly more and more aware of not only your physical body, but your "mental" body, and you build it and adorn it through practice, and practice going back and forth between them in your awareness, and uniting them, etc., the ultimate goal being that your awareness/consciousness itself will "descend" during practice and rebirth your entire body physically. Once you are able to constantly rebirth yourself physically through channeling in awareness/energy, you start the more out-there and bizarre sounding stuff, like translating yourself.
It is a very strong book and method. I bought the book thinking it would be a quick and enlightening read on Alchemy, and it is very enlightening, but also very much demanding and time-consuming to actually implement. I'm glad I bought it but it's teachings and exercises will be impractical unless you have a mammoth amount of time and a comfortable and quiet atmosphere in which to work. You also notice results right away, so you don't have to actually achieve immortality to get something out of the book. It's called "The Tower of Alchemy."
Quote from: Graveyard on February 01, 2009, 18:59:08
How do you stop reincarnation, is it possible to do it within one lifetime? I would like to think that it is.
Graveyard,
Yes, the wheel of rebirth can be ended and can only be ended when one directly experiences the true nature of reality as it is; enlightenment. This is the peak of all experience, not necessarily the end of experience. The cessation of reincarnation is not the cessation of reality. There is a path that opens the possibility of enlightenment in this lifetime and it is the Buddhist path of Tantra; Vajrayana.
The Vajrayana teachings can only be reieved from a Guru of an authentic lineage and even then he isn't going to just lay the teachings on you, it will be slow going. You have to show the Guru that when he says jump your going to say "how high?". This turns a lot of people off from this particular path, they can't surrender.
Vajrayana is the real deal and not just a cool spiritual trip. The Guru will see right through your bull anyway and shoot your ego down at every turn.
I am a Vajrayana practitioner so if you are interested you can send me a message.
Monroe said he projected one time and was inadvertently pulled into the body of a deceased person. The body was dead and the spirit had left it, but apparently it wasn't completely dead - the brain kicked up again and pulled Monroe's spirit inside, as though mistaking him for the original spirit. As a result, Monroe was stuck in a motionless foreign body for a few moments.
There are cases where a foreign spirit seems to have been pulled in by accident - for example when a comatose patient suddenly wakes up and remembers nothing about their life, even though their brain is functioning as usual. Bodies have this way of sucking spirits into them. When you fall asleep, the body lets the spirit loose, but on waking, it pulls you in. This is perhaps what happens when a body is born.
Carlos Castaneda says there are non-physical life forms who can alter your soul's memory and trap you in a dimension. He speculates that this may be the reason spirits are locked in the physical - as the non-physical life forms put you here and exploit you as an energy source.
I guess it comes down to how well-defended your mind is. If you can avoid getting pulled into a body, and ward off malevolent spirits, you might be able to live free, although you would have to find a new energy source somewhere.
zareste: take a bodu of a person in coma, i think that this is not possible, if you take into consideration that a person in coma is not dead, and still connected to its higher bodies with "silver cord". And who does not have the silver cord for this body, cannot enter...
graveyard: how to stop reincarnation? Well, I am not much sure whether reincarnaiton exist, but I would say, develop our human qualities to such an extent, that the life on earth becomes unbearable, and make "vibrations" of our soul so high that it would be impossible for it to stay is the present physical body... and thus ready to leave to higher realms with no need for physical body...
i.e. to develop to such an extent feeling of compassion, that you will consider others more important that you... when I think about it, it corresponds to the idea that someone said in another topic, to find out the truth that we are all one... to find it out and feel it... I think that all religions can lead you to this stage, no matter which "religious or nor-religious method" you choose, but in any case, it won't be easy, it requires lots of painful experience, and I think that every soul desires reincarnation until it reaches that point...
My understanding is we can stop when we have done what the Christ did.. to overcome all things including death. Once we learn to control our passions, and thoughts and actions and make the kind of choices the Christ made.. essentially.. by following his example.. then we get to the point we are given the power over death.. or having to re-incarnate. Of course.. we all have free agency not to incarnate again but then our growth or progression is damned.. or stopped.
Quote from: Graveyard on February 01, 2009, 18:59:08
How do you stop reincarnation, is it possible to do it within one lifetime? I would like to think that it is.
just like dreams: reincarnation is like everything the so-called mind "can imagine": reincarnation is as real as the mind makes it.
just like god -- don't take reincarnation seriously and it will sooner or later vanish, just like a thought... and, take it as a joke and it can be just as funny as god is, provided we don't take him seriously.
wreally reality
Is it universal law that we must reincarnate X amount of times, or do we have free will and can we decline our next reincarnation??
Cause once I've experienced the higher astral planes I highly doubt I'll wanna come back to physical world
No, there is no universal law that says we must incarnate. We do indeed have free will in the truest sense of the word, and we can certainly choose whether or not to participate in the physical realm. There are many who choose not to incarnate into the physical realm for obvious reasons. When you contemplate every experience that all life has experienced just on this planet alone within the lowest vibratory, extremely dense part of Universe, with all it's variations of joy, happiness, celebration, peace, freedom, wars, enslavement horrors, pain, suffering, atrocities, and so on, you can really appreciate just how special we all are to have chosen to come here. This truly is the most excellent place to begin our learning experiences. Although there is no race to any finish line in this game of life, those who choose to incarnate into the physical realm will have progressed much further upon finally graduating from the physical realm than those who choose not to experience the physical realm at all. The reason for this is because the higher vibratory realms do not provide the learning experiences available in the much lower vibratory and much denser physical realm.
It might be comforting to know that there is no such thing as "re-incarnation". Reincarnation is a linear, time-based concept. It implies a sequential set of events where a soul comes to earth, experiences life for a time, die, move on to the inner realms to reflect on it's learning experiences, and then return to Earth again to learn from the lessons it did not learn from it's "previous" life. Well first of all there is no such thing as "time" or "space", there is only the present moment of Now - which is Eternal. "Time" as humans know and experience it simply does not exist except to the extent it is perceived to be experienced and believed to exist, and is therefore entirely subjective and never objective. The subjectivity of time is relative to the perspective of the experience. Given that "time" does not exist then reincarnation, as generally conceptualised by various popular belief systems, can not exist. All incarnations occur simultaneously and not sequentially. Our Individuality, our Totality, Our Higher Spiritual "I" Self resides on a vibration far beyond the human concept of "time". The illusion of "time" originated from the Ego with humans living in the past and being fearful of the future. "Time" is actually an Ego created illusion as it relates to a non-existent past and often feared for future. Therefore, the personality you are experiencing at this very moment within this incarnation will not be coming back to experience life on Earth again for the purposes of gaining experience towards perfection. Our True Self or Higher Self has already sent all the personalities needed to gain the experience it needs to graduate from the physical realm and then move on to greater and more exciting experiences.
Quote from: kailaurius on January 16, 2011, 19:58:39
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Although there is no race to any finish line in this game of life, those who choose to incarnate into the physical realm will have progressed much further upon finally graduating from the physical realm than those who choose not to experience the physical realm at all.
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Well first of all there is no such thing as "time" or "space", there is only the present moment of Now - which is Eternal. "Time" as humans know and experience it simply does not exist except to the extent it is perceived to be experienced and believed to exist, and is therefore entirely subjective and never objective. The subjectivity of time is relative to the perspective of the experience.
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So you're essentially saying that upon graduating from the physical realm we will have progressed just as far as those who choose not to experience the physical realm because though we may learn faster, the lack of time means the others will have caught up already.
I would imagine if reincarnation exists it's probably driven by our addiction to form and/or the real time environment as we experience it.
People are often wrapped up in the passion and drama of their physical life, including all the substances and excesses that surround it. So this means that we generally identify ourselves with our body to such an extent that we are psychologically attached to its form. I don't see this as a negative aspect but it is probably an obstacle to our overall ability to have OBEs or AP etc.
So perhaps once we die and assuming reincarnation exists, we basically can't wait to get back given the opportunity. This being the case I don't think reincarnation can be prevented, unless you somehow can remove all the obstacles that surround us. However that would be a waist as we are here to learn, teach, explore, and share, and have some fun of course (Its Friday night and I'm looking forward to having my glass of wine and chillin out!).
However, I have often wondered if the ability to travel beyond the body became more generally accepted would this drive a change in the evolutionary process of the consciousness both within our living real time environment and the environment thereafter. Perhaps this addiction to matter is a self-protecting mechanism to fuel the continuation of life.
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Better link : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation :)
Most of the words in that article are links !
I don't claim to speak from my own experience, but following appears to be the essence of it all.
Short answer - to stop reincarnating , wake up, become aware, see the light, realize your true self, know who you are.
It is not 'you' (as a person) that reincarnates, it is the basic principle, all-that-is, the 'nothingness' or consciousness, that likes to take up various forms. You are just one such form. Once you die, the form is gone and your personality too. So you can't reincarnate as a person.
However the essence of your experiences remain in all-that-is, its called karma. There is a momentum to this karma and it almost mechanically results in another form. The form taken depends upon its tendencies (Prarabdha, is the technical term)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prarabdha_karma
So 'You' (if you can call this process so) have gone through millions of lives, from mineral, single celled, vegetation, animal and now human types. Which life you'd like to recall ? Interesting isn't it?
Can you stop reincarnating while this is going on ? No, doesn't seem like so, its a process of nature, it happens. If the direction of your karma is favorable you reach the human stage, which is one of the highest possible in this physical world, and you are gifted with something remarkable - the intellect, the ability of discrimination. Once you have this ability and learn how to use it properly (this is important), you can take your evolution in your own hands. If you use your human abilities in a way that purifies your karmic tendencies, the momentum of karma breaks down and you are free to choose. Most of the time such a karmic structure (=you roughly) will choose a higher life form on a higher plane, rather than human form again. This continues until there is no karma left, there is no need to experience anything, you have attained 'liberation' (Nirvana).
This is why human life is considered so valuable and unique and a very big opportunity. This stage is the turning point, a cross road. Here you can choose to be asleep or descend down the animal stages (by repeatedly engaging in animal like behaviors of heavy-eating/hoarding/violence/sexual excess etc), i.e. by choosing to not to use your intellect to do the right thing and succumbing to the tendencies. So the first thing one should do is, engage his/her brain and choose a right path, any right path. Freedom follows. Once you are human, liberation is assured anyway.
Some follow the right path vigorously, some take the long cut and let it happen, while most (sadly) are asleep and have left it to nature to kick them upwards, its the slowest path full of suffering. Not that the suffering is bad, it often leads to 'awakening', (its the last weapon of mother nature , sorta) but many humans (mis)use intellect to avoid suffering too, i.e. they are destined to fall. In such cases the natural law forces them to take a form suitable to act out their tendencies until they had enough. For example a violent person may reincarnate as a predator on some planet spending its life killing things and a heavy-eater may find a pig's body perfect to act out its desires. Nature has a solution for all kinds of people, she never says no to anyone.
If you are on a right path (increasing awareness), you slowly come to know your true nature and take charge of everything. First thing you may notice is that you are not a person, but much more than that. Here you can choose not to re-incarnate again as an individual. Not having a form does not mean you stop experiencing, but it can be a rather slow and boring state to be in, unless you have attained and are experiencing the universe as God would.
You must begin to surrender to your Higher Self.
Let it control and guide your mind and body.
Then things like meditation, healing, kundalini, OBE's, psychic ablities, Ascesion, and your life's purpose will be
byproducts.
Quote from: alpine9 on May 24, 2011, 14:09:00
You must begin to surrender to your Higher Self.
Let it control and guide your mind and body.
Then things like meditation, healing, kundalini, OBE's, psychic ablities, Ascesion, and your life's purpose will be
byproducts.
and how exactly do you accomplish that
You stop reincarnating when you become perfect.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 04, 2011, 12:58:32
You stop reincarnating when you become perfect
Which can take 100's or 1,000's of reincarnations, right??
If you know what you have to do and you set your mind to accomplish it, it should take just 1 lifetime, but great discipline.
Quote from: Graveyard on February 01, 2009, 18:59:08
How do you stop reincarnation, is it possible to do it within one lifetime? I would like to think that it is.
I might even bet you a nickel that it is not possible to stop "reincarnation". Sure, maybe someone could... someday... but I doubt it.
But for the Individual I think it might very well be possible to stop 'reincarnating'.
Maybe even within one Lifetime. In fact, for a few it is probably the case. Though, for most of us it will more likely be a matter of choosing our best course and struggling to do extraordinarily well in this lifetime and with the consciousness gained therefrom enter the Bardo regions in full consciousness with strength and power and Full Awareness and then, choose consciously a subsequent Lifetime whereby a propitious Life might be lived and a True Teacher might be encountered and Liberation from the Wheel might be attained.
As for what to do with the present situation?...
Play the hand yer dealt partner...play it well... to the very best of yer ability... maybe you'll get lucky.
At the very least, give this one lifetime here and now, your very best shot. Enter the Bardo with some small measure of Consciousness and with the blessed power conferred upon those who do so, choose well for your next go 'round.
If nothing else... at least try to stop being an idiot. (Most do not bother. You can set yourself apart with this one small effort)
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 04, 2011, 20:18:57
If you know what you have to do and you set your mind to accomplish it, it should take just 1 lifetime, but great discipline
You mean knowing what your purpose is here on earth, and then carrying out that purpose??
I'm with Ruddy, I think It's like asking "how do I stop learning?"
The answer is that you never stop!
Quote from: Fresco on September 04, 2011, 21:46:15
You mean knowing what your purpose is here on earth, and then carrying out that purpose??
Certain important aspects are: hate, greed, envy, desire, jealousy, and fear.
If you pay attention to these things the spiritual beings will become aware of you, and you will become aware of them. I pray eagerly that they receive me in the eternal realm after I depart from this place.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 05, 2011, 11:58:24
Certain important aspects are: hate, greed, envy, desire, jealousy, and fear
Could you define "desire" for me please??!
I assume that includes sex and/or lust?? Does that mean you'd have to completely go without
any sex??!!
That would be a toughie :|
Most people don't like to hear that, but yes, lust is an animal aspect of the soul, so those who seek to rise spiritually have to overcome fleshly desire and prove that they are spiritual and not like the beasts.
Also, in Hindu philosophy desire is the state of 'wanting something'. The act of wanting anything at all sets up the scenario in which you are going to experience getting it or trying to get it. Physical existence is necessary to be in the position of getting 'something', therefore, desire (for anything) will make you reincarnate.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 05, 2011, 14:41:41
those who seek to rise spiritually have to overcome fleshly desire and prove that they are spiritual and not like the beasts.
Actually "wanting to prove you are not like a beast" is another reason to reincarnate- it is a form of desire, and will perpetuate the wheel.
You see, to prove you are 'not like a beast' you have to be born in the planet, and that is why desire is the operative word- desire of anything at all.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 05, 2011, 14:41:41Most people don't like to hear that, but yes, lust is an animal aspect of the soul, so those who seek to rise spiritually have to overcome fleshly desire and prove that they are spiritual and not like the beasts.
So that would include giving up sex even with your wife/girlfriend??1! :-o
Depends on who you ask. If you give up sex and miss it, you'll want it, and that is desire. So the trick is not to give up anything, but to not be too attached to it. Or so it's what the Buddha said.
That's why it's called 'The Middle Way'- you don't 'give up', you stop being attached to your desires.
Good luck with that.
That is a goal, not a desire. Desires have to do with material/worldly things. Gnostics and Hindus share some similar beliefs, but salvation operates differently. Also, the Hindu archons set many rules that Buddha despised afterwards when he tried to find his own way, so it gets confusing to know how it really works with Hindu and Buddhists. :?
Yes, the Hindus were complete ascetes, and when Gautama went to live with them and realized it didn't work for him, he came up with the Middle Way.
BTW, what is the difference between a goal and a desire? The mechanism of putting a result sometime in the future is what creates the 'need' to reincarnate. Time and space.
So if your goal is to be liberated this lifetime then you may attain it, but if your goal is to be liberated sometime in the future, this is what sets up your next incarnation.
Quote from: Fresco on September 05, 2011, 16:09:14
So that would include giving up sex even with your wife/girlfriend??1! :-o
From what I've learned, yes. They (Sethians) teach: do not let your desires defile you. An example: you won't be arrested if you wish to kill someone, but if you actually go there and kill him then you will. So, first cleanse your mind, and keep your souls pure, and if you do that and become perfect you'll find rest.
*Ops, sorry Fresco, I was going to quote you and replied in your post :|
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 05, 2011, 16:19:01
Yes, the Hindus were complete ascetes, and when Gautama went to live with them and realized it didn't work for him, he came up with the Middle Way.
BTW, what is the difference between a goal and a desire? The mechanism of putting a result sometime in the future is what creates the 'need' to reincarnate. Time and space.
So if your goal is to be liberated this lifetime then you may attain it, but if your goal is to be liberated sometime in the future, this is what sets up your next incarnation.
I see. Well, as I see it, Seth changed the rules, according to him, none of them knew the truth and were serving these archons.
There is this experience, in which a Buddhist monk apparently meets yaldabaoth:
http://hellexists.com/testimony/ex_buddhistmonk.htm
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 05, 2011, 16:50:21
There is this experience, in which a Buddhist monk apparently meets yaldabaoth:
http://hellexists.com/testimony/ex_buddhistmonk.htm
Just curious Andrew, but are you Christian or a minister in a church??
lol, no, I'm Sethian gnostic. I believe in Christ but not the one of the Bible.
I think the Buddhist monk was deceived by a demon in his NDE. It's not simply about believing in Christ, but knowing the true origin of things.
Ah okay, I thought you might be one of those fire, hell and brimstone preachers :wink:
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 05, 2011, 17:29:20
lol, no, I'm Sethian gnostic. I believe in Christ but not the one of the Bible.
I think the Buddhist monk was deceived by a demon in his NDE. It's not simply about believing in Christ, but knowing the true origin of things.
I think that when you have nonphysical experiences, the information you gather can come from many sources- your own fears, other people's beliefs, what happened, what people think happened, and what other nonphysical beings impart as information. So really, it's a tossup... who knows. I just know that something about what he said didn't ring true, or maybe it's that I think I've seen his photograph somewhere else, selling something else.
But I could be wrong.
No, you don't need to give up sex. Sex, in its purest form is an expression of love and a means of bonding closely with your partner, thus the term "making love". It is a good thing. If your only motivation for sex, however, is personal gratification then you might have cause to reconsider the basis of your relationship and bring more affection and tenderness into it. Mutual gratification, though, can also be a force for bonding, so don't decry that out of hand either.
In essence, you can choose to forsake reincarnation once you pass onwards from the Astral to higher spirit realms. Reincarnation is a personal choice and one made with a slew of helpers and advisors. We are here to experience and to progress in spirit.
Intent.
It's all about Intent.
In *EVERYTHING* you do.
Intent is also not an intellectual choice... it's a "being" choice.
Quote from: Ident on September 06, 2011, 08:31:02
No, you don't need to give up sex. Sex, in its purest form is an expression of love and a means of bonding closely with your partner, thus the term "making love". It is a good thing. If your only motivation for sex, however, is personal gratification then you might have cause to reconsider the basis of your relationship and bring more affection and tenderness into it. Mutual gratification, though, can also be a force for bonding, so don't decry that out of hand either
I agree 100% with this :-D
It's about where your choice to do something originates from... animalistic/lower desires, or true intent through human thinking. It's common for people to make decisions based strictly on urges with no true intent involved. There's no freedom in that way of living.
I think.. to stop reincarnation, you need to raise your consciousness.. IN THE PHYSICAL.. so that when you die, you will remember all the thoughts you had as a human.
Basically? Meditate on finding your higher self.. and trying to raise your vibrations.. keep on raising them more and more, until you are.. basically what would be called Jesus like. Then you will have control over your reincarnation
Quote from: HiRes on September 06, 2011, 15:30:15
I think.. to stop reincarnation, you need to raise your consciousness.. IN THE PHYSICAL.. so that when you die, you will remember all the thoughts you had as a human.
Basically? Meditate on finding your higher self.. and trying to raise your vibrations.. keep on raising them more and more, until you are.. basically what would be called Jesus like. Then you will have control over your reincarnation
Or may decide you'd rather do something else- like the Tibetans believe. I like this idea a lot.
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 06, 2011, 18:30:31
Or may decide you'd rather do something else- like the Tibetans believe. I like this idea a lot.
what did the Tibetans believe? o.0;
In their belief, the afterlife is self-created, and knowing this goes a long way to making a decision as to what you are going to do next. In fact, Tibetans pray to the recently dead to remind them of this as they move on.
You usually go into a stage of resolution of the life you just came out of, and this takes on various forms- the idea is that if you can maintain the awareness of what's really going on, at the point in which you are ready, you can choose how to incarnate, or you can choose to stay in the spiritual realm (for want of a better term) and help others when they transition. So you can stay in the Bardo until you decide you want to evolve into some other type of being or reincarnate for whatever reason.
Of course, this is very simplified, the Tibetan Book of the Dead describes it much more thoroughly, with religious figures, etc.- many books have been written about this. My favorite is The Unanswered Question- but I digress.
Someone once wrote a comic book that kind of described it simply- it was kind of funny but a nice diagram on what they believe. Who doesn't like comics?
I did a quick web search and it looks like the comic book has been taken down. Too bad, I had a copy of about five pages, but I don't know where it is.
Buddhism or Kriaya Yoga...have you read Autobiography of a yogi..Paramahansa Yoginada?
My experiences confirm what Buddhist themselves say they see in their NDEs. They have visions of hell, Yamatoots taking them to judgement, fire... so I don't think Buddhism is saving these souls. Though they have good teachings, they don't know the truth about this cosmos and the powers that rule it, so they haven't been able to escape them.
Quote from: AndrewTheSinger on September 11, 2011, 14:07:50
My experiences confirm what Buddhist themselves say they see in their NDEs. They have visions of hell, Yamatoots taking them to judgement, fire... so I don't think Buddhism is saving these souls. Though they have good teachings, they don't know the truth about this cosmos and the powers that rule it, so they haven't been able to escape them.
Buddhists seek freedom from the illusion of form...form is where we find hell etc...form of thought, physical form and so on...its the same goal but via different path that the yogis use..instead of just having faith or believe in this idea or that idea as most religions ask us to do...they say come and experience...see for your self and seek untiringly union with god...or in another words "self realisation"
Yogis measure their spiritual progress through their gifts of the spirit "sidhis" http://www.theholisticcare.com/Kundalini%20Yoga/Power%20Of%20Yogi%20Major%20Siddhis%20Minor%20Instructions%20On%20Siddhis.htm
such as clairvoyance, clairaudiance, as the very basics and so on...not to show off or impress people but so they don't deceive themselves and just add spiritual growth as a favorite fantasy of the ego.
The yogis understand the spiritual science of moving the kundalini, which according to their thousands of years of study takes one year to travel naturally around the spiritual circuit in a human being... the yogis know how to move this power several circuits a day...meaning they can gain thousands of years of spiritual growth in any life time....and so the answer is yes, you can enlighten your self in one life time and escape reincarnation...takes some serious hard work and devotion...not to mention the rarest form of unrest and yearning...that is as valuable and precocious a gift that can be bestowed upon any man/woman Unrest of the soul, so much so that knowing god at the deepest level is the strongest desire ..only then will you have a chance
Interesting theory I heard the other day regarding reincarnation and child abuse. Most people find sexually abusing a child reprehensible (and rightly so), but almost always that child who's being sexually abused was a child abuser him or herself in their previous lifetime.
They have to reincarnate as the victim so they can experience firsthand what its like to be abused. This is part of the personal karma they have to work out.
I dont know if this is true, but it sure sounds interesting.
And if it's true you shouldnt feel sorry for them, because its something they have brought on themselves
Quote from: Fresco on September 26, 2011, 13:25:57
Interesting theory I heard the other day regarding reincarnation and child abuse. Most people find sexually abusing a child reprehensible (and rightly so), but almost always that child who's being sexually abused was a child abuser him or herself in their previous lifetime.
I was reading Plato or Sophocles or maybe both about 6 months ago and it was something to see the discussion of this topic in such a matter-of-fact manner as though it were not just commonplace but socially accepted.
One comment was along the lines of, "the highest form of love is love between two men because that is love between two equals..." (women were considered near sub-human or even soul-less and children were subordinate).
In the end I think it is not a matter of feeling 'sorry' for anyone. The Masters teach that COMPASSION for all parties is the enlightened approach in these situations.
So do you love men and think women are evil? :wink:
:NoY:
Quote from: NoY on September 26, 2011, 19:06:07
So do you love men and think women are evil? :wink:
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"A fool speaks because he has to say something"
:wink:
NoY, If you are sincerely interested in communication perhaps you could quote me accurately and ask for clarification on the part you do not understand.(or the part you disagree with... or agree with... but references to things that have not been said are from the realm of deception).