A long time ago i have learned that if i intensively visualize something on a blank wall for a few minutes, and after i enter the alpha state, that i start getting a after-image in the precise shape of the shape or thing i was visualizing, sometimes even with color (non-inversed color), which is, literally hallucinating what i visualize, which is something i always wanted to have so much (in a controlled way OF COURSE! I definetly DON'T want to hallucinate images caused by intrusive/random thoughts). I even noticed i am able to do this as well with "animations" not just stationary mental images.
The problem here is, that lately i have started to practise this again, and sometimes i am actually able to have good results, the big problem here is the HUGE amount of time it takes (sometimes 15-20m other times it's needed several sessions along the day without results to start have results), and i wonder if there is a way to induce such things a lot faster anytime, and ONLY on specific visualizations we intend and not all of them (i say this because i DEFINITELY don't want to hallucinate those images caused by intrusive thoughts), so i wonder, if THIS is related to clairvoyance at all, that would mean that exercices related to the third eye chakra WOULD help on this (but so far i haven't noticed any difference not even with meditation or energy work).
Unless this is a matter of sheer practise and just that it's enought?
Also someone advised me to actually start to practise on REAL after images on our eyes when looking at bright things, with things like trying to have the after image stay longer, then starting to try manipulating it and to make it stay a lot longer (which wouldn't be the real after image anymore but a generated one from memory of the real one), etc Anyway ever practised something like this ?
The only thing i am afraid of this is later on this starting to come out of control and literally start to hallucinate everything i visualize, which i presume it WON'T happen if we practise and learn this skill in a gradual way ?
I also thought about hypnsosis but forget it, i never had results with it, it almost seems i am unable to be hypnotized, so i guess i will have to develop this skill from sheer practise but i would still apreciate feedback from people who have some experience on this.
Quote from: cesm23 on March 09, 2014, 05:20:45
The only thing i am afraid of this is later on this starting to come out of control and literally start to hallucinate everything i visualize, which i presume it WON'T happen if we practise and learn this skill in a gradual way ?
It seems like you answered your own question here.
Yes, it takes practice, patience and perseverance.
I know people hate to hear that, but it's true. You get from it exactly what you put into it.
You can't rush a skill like learning guitar or piano. So why rush with this? You will find the more your practice, not only the easier it gets, but the more other little "hints and helpers" that you will acquire along the way.
I've posted this somewhere already.
You need ideally a large window with an interesting view where you can sit relaxed for a while.
You need to be able to look for an object in the view and keep your eyes very still for a sec or two.
Position yourself and cover your eyes obtaining total darkness with no pressure on your eyelids.
Look into the dark until its stabilised.
Remove the cover and look at a single point in the view and hold it until it becomes crystal clear.
Immediately close the eyes and place the cover for total darkness.
Look forward into the darkness without moving any eye muscles. You don't need to even try to focus.
Just observe and the reverse colour image will fade and an exact full colour sharp image will appear of your view.
This should work for anyone.
Its not clairvoyance but the way the clean image appears out of the blackness has similarities...
QuoteIt seems like you answered your own question here.
I just said that because i have no 100% garantee that the gradual practise will indeed prevent from having hallucinations about everything in my mind's eye, so i guess you're sure about this then? Good!
QuoteYes, it takes practice, patience and perseverance
I know people hate to hear that, but it's true. You get from it exactly what you put into it.
You can't rush a skill like learning guitar or piano. So why rush with this? You will find the more your practice, not only the easier it gets, but the more other little "hints and helpers" that you will acquire along the way.
Yeah but you confirm then, that is the correct way of doing this then ? The problem isn't that about taking time (even tough i mentioned if there was a faster way, i just meant in a way that i COULD probably using a less efficiant method since i don't know if there is more efficiant methods), i AM ready to commit myself to this because the desire is too great, the only problem is that i have tried many things in the past and nothing seemed to work, so this is why i would like confirmation from experienced people that this IS really a efficient way of training something like this, since i don't want to waste months of practise doing something wrong or the "less efficiant" method while thinking i am already doing the best one there is.
But from what you said it appears i am doing it right then, so my motivation is great now!
QuoteI've posted this somewhere already.
You need ideally a large window with an interesting view where you can sit relaxed for a while.
You need to be able to look for an object in the view and keep your eyes very still for a sec or two.
Position yourself and cover your eyes obtaining total darkness with no pressure on your eyelids.
Look into the dark until its stabilised.
Remove the cover and look at a single point in the view and hold it until it becomes crystal clear.
Immediately close the eyes and place the cover for total darkness.
Look forward into the darkness without moving any eye muscles. You don't need to even try to focus.
Just observe and the reverse colour image will fade and an exact full colour sharp image will appear of your view.
This should work for anyone.
Its not clairvoyance but the way the clean image appears out of the blackness has similarities...
Thanks a lot for this technique, unfortunately i tend to interpret things too literaly in cases like this so i will do a resumed version of what you wrote and then you tell me if i understood correctly, right ?
1. I look for a window with a interesting view where i can be seated (i presume looking at a computer picture on the screen or it has to be something 3d from the physical world, like, looking at a room in my house?) while at the same time preparing to later look at a object and keeping eyes still.
2. I position myself and i cover my eyes (for practical reasons i prefer using something like my hands without pressure on the eyes) until the darkness is stabilized.
3. I remove the cover/hands at a single point in the view until it becomes crystal clear (what you mean by this since i have open eyes? you mean, until the "mental memory" of that view becomes crystal clear in my mind?). Also i presume this is done for about, 1 minute i guess?
4. Then i close the eyes and cover with my hands
5. I just observe the reverse color image in the darkness and then after it fades it should appear a full sharp image
6. Now this is what i presume we should do next, in case i don't get a full sharp exercice, i just repeat the exercice over again a few times
I hope i understood correctly, and that the point on the cover is just because of having full darkness instead of "orange" darkness.
Also that last part of the sharp image the way you say almost seems like it's going to happen at the very first tries of this, but i presume it's just like Lionhart said, that it's going to take practise, and it's normal that this sharp image you say will only start appearing after a LOT of pratise with this method, right ? If that's the case any idea how much time something like this takes? days? weeks? months?
Just confirm those things and then i will now have two methods to practise (yours and the one i mentioned in the main thread), having confindence they will work later.
Computer screen lol. When I did this first time the only computer available was a slide rule.
You need a bright image. I used a sunny morning.
Once your eyes have settled in the darkness you open them and look at a single point in the image for a few seconds.
Initially it will be blinding somewhat until your eyes regulate the intensity, once this is clear you then black them out completely.
Any light bleeding through will distort the image.
Once you have it reappear clearly after the initial colour neg stage, you remember it.
This image then can be called up in the future.
Mine has lost much detail now, it was imprinted in 1969. That's a lot of years to hold an image.
Wait a minute... that is a very unique technique, so sorry for all these questions, so this is supposed to get the image imprinted for extended periods of time to be recalled later, this isn't what i had in mind BUT it's still a VERY interesting technique. But what you mean, that you are able to "hallucinate" it ANYTIME in the future just by trying to remember it?? Or you mean just a VERY CRYSTAL CLEAR like mental image (not hallucinated) ?
Still thanks a lot for that technique and i will try it, anyway this isn't exactly what i had in mind, what i want more is being able to (at will) hallucinate specific visualizations "temporary" that only last a few seconds (or until i "make them" dissapear) since i want to actually hallucinate things in motion (much like virtual reality) or even "drawing" things in real time, not just static pictures.
Any idea if your technique still improves somehow the skill in the way i want with "dynamic" hallucinations or it's JUST meant to "imprint" pictures as hallucinations in long term?
Sorry if i misunderstood again :) But it's just that i never heared anything like this...
It's a method of imprinting an image into your memory where you can recall it in full detail for many years. All it needs at best is a change of light intensity and you recall the image starting from the original memory of it appearing after the inverse colour stage.
You'll see a hazy image take form into a high definition full colour image matching a photograph.
This can be developed further so you can store images like circuit diagrams as I have done countless times. The recall can be hazy at times too which is very annoying.
Oh yeah i see... now i understand, yeah this is definetly very handy but not for what i am looking for (instant real time hallucinations), but still thanks a lot for the technique.
cesm23 this is exactly what I have been lusting after for like 7 months now!!!
I have tried the same technique as you, but the difference is I gave up too soon.
I am admittedly very lazy but that trait typically leads me to find improvements on how to do things w/ less effort.
I have decided to dig into the hypnagogic state to sharpen my mind's eye. I figured since ours brains make hallucinations on their own already, it would be easier to just tap into dreams and sharpen hallucination imagery there and then try to pull it out in the waking state.
I figured that practicing maintaining consciousness in the hypnagogic/dream state would also connect the executive control and hallucination inducting parts of the brain.
Maybe we should consider doing a ganzfeld experiment. ppl hallucinate while under that too.
I agree that training executive control of the visual cortex sans stimulation should be done with an emphasis on the executive control part, but prefer a less cautious approach. I feel like if excrement starts going wrong I can just stop practicing and my brain wouldn't maintain that wiring.
Quote from: Szaxx on March 09, 2014, 15:14:07
Computer screen lol. When I did this first time the only computer available was a slide rule.
You need a bright image. I used a sunny morning.
Once your eyes have settled in the darkness you open them and look at a single point in the image for a few seconds.
Initially it will be blinding somewhat until your eyes regulate the intensity, once this is clear you then black them out completely.
Any light bleeding through will distort the image.
Once you have it reappear clearly after the initial colour neg stage, you remember it.
This image then can be called up in the future.
Mine has lost much detail now, it was imprinted in 1969. That's a lot of years to hold an image.
Wait a minute We had those huge clunky apple computers when I was in high school and Atari games. This technique is a take off of the Golden Dawn Tattva skrying method.
Atari and apple were unknown to me in '69.
In the UK you were taught to use a slide rule. Pocket calculators appeared in 70-71 thanks to Mr Sinclair. PC's were later.
The tattva system I've briefly looked at is similar. Nice of you to mention it. The method I used was found by accident one morning. Thick curtains and blinding sunlight hurt so I went under the covers and to my amazement the scene viewed appeared in full colour detail, I played with it and found you could recall the scene later in detail.
It took a few weeks to develop.
I still prefer a camera lol.
check out this very relevant post on abovetopsecret.com
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread643286/pg1