Karma, Prayer, Love? Positive energy, not negative...

[You]

What is all this exactly? I don't understand how it fits into things. Why must I believe in such karma? I don't wish to pray, I don't wish to beg for gifts in desperation. I do like to love... but not to force myself to love something I hate when there is nothing likeable about it.

What is positive energy, as opposed to negative? What's all this gobblely gook I keep hearing about? I want to learn about energy, power, healing, sensitivity, NOT goodness. I may choose to be good, but I want to choose it, not have it insisted upon.

Now is this site about real evolution, or nagging bleeding heart brainwashing?

[Leo Volont]

What is all this exactly? I don't understand how it fits into things. Why must I believe in such karma? I don't wish to pray, I don't wish to beg for gifts in desperation. I do like to love... but not to force myself to love something I hate when there is nothing likeable about it.

What is positive energy, as opposed to negative? What's all this gobblely gook I keep hearing about? I want to learn about energy, power, healing, sensitivity, NOT goodness. I may choose to be good, but I want to choose it, not have it insisted upon.

Now is this site about real evolution, or nagging bleeding heart brainwashing?

If you could decide whom you would live with for all eternity, would it be with selfish predators who would take from you and even torment you for the fun of it?  Or would you wish to live with those who loved you and were happy only if you were happy also?

The Higher Spiritual Realms defend their jurisdictions from Selfish Predators.  The sadistic selfishness of egocentric evil is simply offensive to them.  It reminds me of something Groucho Marx said, "I would not want to join any Country Club that would take somebody like me".  Loving Spirits have an affinity for each other.  In that Atmosphere of Happy Love, selfish arrogance clashes and is disruptive.

In the World here, we have the same dynamic going on between Civilized Moral People on the good side of things, and Barbaric selfish evil people on the other side.   Civilization is Liberal and Charitable.  Barbarism is greedy, selfish, and largely amoral.  What distinguishes the Barbarian is believing that he could do so much better for himself if only Civilization could be destroyed.

[laiana]

I may choose to be good, but I want to choose it, not have it insisted upon.

EVERYTHING in life is about choice.  You choose to be good, you choose to be bad.  You choose to be happy, you choose to be angry.

No one can insist upon you to be a good person - it is not possible.  Your feelings, your emotions, and your attitude towards life and others, is ALL your choice.

Once you realise that, things are so much easier

When I was an angst-ridden teenager, my dad used to say to me, "Why are you choosing to be upset about this?"  Which, naturally, made me even angrier.  But as I grew up, the more I thought about it, the more I realized this is true.  If I am sulking and depressed, its my choice, and sometimes I'm just content to wallow in my own self pity.  But I am always aware, that I can choose to be happy or good, whenever I am ready.

[Rastus]

You are free to choose whatever you wish.  You absolutely have free will.

You can not obtain power without some enlightenment.  Feel free to try, and eventually you will realise this is a truth.

Karma, and the Lords of Karma, are about teaching you what you wished to learn.  You set an agenda before you incarnate.  Karma keeps you on the track until you conciously decide to change.  Karma will eventually get you there, but taking a direct hand will get you there much faster.  Karma can be released, if you have learned what you need.

How can you be a healer and not be 'good'?

How can you be sensitive with anger or fear in your heart?  How can you percieve the fainter or higher energies if you are full of low energies such as anger?

When you can love everything, you understand.  There is no good or evil, those concepts are manmade.  If you 'hate' something, do you truly hate teh thing, or hate yourself for not accepting what 'IS'?

I used to not be a fan or prayer.  I always thought in terms of 'Me' and 'I'.  Now I give thanks for many things.  I've burned off the old me, the illusions, the parts of me I wish to discard.  It's an ongoing process, but what is left is lighter and much happier.  I am happy, something I never said before this year.  I know where I'm going, even if I have yet decided on the exact path.  I am going home, and I'm taking all of me with me.

-Namaste

[Selski]

I used to not be a fan or prayer.  I always thought in terms of 'Me' and 'I'.  Now I give thanks for many things.  I've burned off the old me, the illusions, the parts of me I wish to discard.  It's an ongoing process, but what is left is lighter and much happier.  I am happy, something I never said before this year.  I know where I'm going, even if I have yet decided on the exact path.  I am going home, and I'm taking all of me with me.

-Namaste

That's just wonderful, it made my heart sing, especially the last sentence!!

I'm not there yet, but I'm heading your way Rastus!  

Sarah

[loveregardless]

Wow Rastus, I completely agree with you, but you said it so beautifully...I'm moved! I would very much like to talk with you sometime. I would say that spiritually I am pretty highly evolved in comparison to most people I encounter, I completely believe everything you just said, and other theories and ideals along the same line of thinking, but when it comes to developing my "psychic" "abilities", I'm beyond a dud. I would very much like to know how to translate my beliefs and love into actual experience. Of course, knowing and believing is just as important as experiencing, but it's rather discouraging when every attempt you make at experience is unsuccessful. Kindest regards...and nice sig.

[You]

If you could decide whom you would live with for all eternity, would it be with selfish predators who would take from you and even torment you for the fun of it?  Or would you wish to live with those who loved you and were happy only if you were happy also?

If I had to choose one or the other, obviously the unselfish. If people are only happy if you're happy, it can be difficult to find positive inspiration since we're all miserable, so they should still be happy, just not flaunt it so that I'm jealous of it, instead use it to bring me out of the blue.

The Higher Spiritual Realms defend their jurisdictions from Selfish Predators.  The sadistic selfishness of egocentric evil is simply offensive to them.  It reminds me of something Groucho Marx said, "I would not want to join any Country Club that would take somebody like me".  Loving Spirits have an affinity for each other.  In that Atmosphere of Happy Love, selfish arrogance clashes and is disruptive.

Some people don't lead perfect lives, they aren't raised in an environment of light, kindness, and healing. Why should they be punished for the unfortunate state of affairs that brought them to living somewhat selfishly and reserved?

In the World here, we have the same dynamic going on between Civilized Moral People on the good side of things, and Barbaric selfish evil people on the other side.   Civilization is Liberal and Charitable.  Barbarism is greedy, selfish, and largely amoral.  What distinguishes the Barbarian is believing that he could do so much better for himself if only Civilization could be destroyed.

Civilization can be turned to evil, just as chaos can be turned to do good. People can group together and act civil amongst themselves, yet gather in common enmity towards others and be selfish, destroy them. Evil men can manipulate society to their advantage, and rather than ruling over chaos where he must watch his back, he can abuse the system of trust, and have people who would never cross him, out of sense of camaraderie.

[You]

EVERYTHING in life is about choice.  You choose to be good, you choose to be bad.  You choose to be happy, you choose to be angry.

No one can insist upon you to be a good person - it is not possible.  Your feelings, your emotions, and your attitude towards life and others, is ALL your choice.

Once you realise that, things are so much easier

When I was an angst-ridden teenager, my dad used to say to me, "Why are you choosing to be upset about this?"  Which, naturally, made me even angrier.  But as I grew up, the more I thought about it, the more I realized this is true.  If I am sulking and depressed, its my choice, and sometimes I'm just content to wallow in my own self pity.  But I am always aware, that I can choose to be happy or good, whenever I am ready.

One can choose to be happy, but one must also feel pain, and not ignore it and lock it away. It's taking a lot of work right now, up until last night I haven't been able to force myself to sob or cry out of self pity. Even then I could only get a slight dampening of the eyes... crying is healthy, it gets pain out. I can cry easily, but only at things that touch me in an emotionally happy way, like a the deer scene in Powder or that phone commercial where the kid calls his grandfather from Dieppe.

It can be very inhuman at times to force happiness. I agree one must not become obsessed with and wallow in depression. However, locking it away before you fully understand the reasons behind it is bad.

[You]

You are free to choose whatever you wish.  You absolutely have free will.

Really? I didn't know that What I mean is that these places that are open to discussions of all theories tend to have a lot of wishy washies who gravitate towards 'light' and 'good' when I'm not entirely sure such concepts exist. It's like you need to have some greater power of good to justify the idea of working together with others, and I don't think we should have to rely on that to have camaraderie. Isn't being people with interests in psychic abilities and personal improvement with intelligent minds enough to bring us all together as friends who can work together and discuss topics civilly without having to talk about religious-like topics of good and evil?

You can not obtain power without some enlightenment.  Feel free to try, and eventually you will realise this is a truth.

I have yet for someone to explain to me precisely what enlightenment is. To me, all you need, and what enlightenment sounds like, is being open enough to try anything, real enough to discern what's workable and is intelligent enough to observe the natural balances between aspects of himself and the environment and how to interact with them best for the best outcome that he desires. Enlightenment should not be at all about what you desire, that's the realm of morality, which I believe everyone should come to on their own. It's fine to borrow from the moralities of others who inspire you to be like them, whose acts who approve of, but it's another entirely to look down on or try to save those whose moral realities do not coincide with yours.

Karma, and the Lords of Karma, are about teaching you what you wished to learn.  You set an agenda before you incarnate.  Karma keeps you on the track until you conciously decide to change.  Karma will eventually get you there, but taking a direct hand will get you there much faster.  Karma can be released, if you have learned what you need.

This sounds more like fate... the kind of Karma I'm referring to is the 'whatever you do comes back to you' thing. Do good, get good, screw someone over you get screwed type of deal. The Wiccans have a triple karma rule of three thing.

How can you be a healer and not be 'good'?

You could be selective in who you heal, not healing the people you dislike. You could charge excessive amounts of money to heal people, hurting them more than you help them. You could heal people who shouldn't be healed, who then go on to do evil, evil by association.

How can you be sensitive with anger or fear in your heart?  How can you percieve the fainter or higher energies if you are full of low energies such as anger?

Many people push past their fears, to do things they want to do. The same goes for anger, people can repress it, perhaps out of fear, and do what is expected of them, or block the anger so that they can do something they want to do for someone they are compassionate for. They are always in the heart, it's only if you let them dominate you that they interfere. I don't see why one should attempt to eliminate them. Anger and fear are natural, and while you can lock them away to complete the things you want to do, you must eventually indulge in them or they will drive you mad from the inside. If not released, you will feel unfulfilled, you will habitually repress more and more, even if you don't have to, and it will put a strain on your mind, and eventually body, as a side effect. As for the 'low energies' thing, that seems like a chakric or animal vs consciousness concept, and really that's just assuming things based upon literature. In reality, angry people can still feel compassion, it overwhelms the anger, just as intelligence might when they recognize it.

When you can love everything, you understand.  There is no good or evil, those concepts are manmade.  If you 'hate' something, do you truly hate teh thing, or hate yourself for not accepting what 'IS'?

I do agree with the lack of good and evil. However, I hate the thing, perhaps the reason I dislike it is that I can't accept it, but I don't see why this means I'm hating myself. Certain things are useless machinations, and should be eliminated. I hate them, I am right, they must go. There is a certain point at which you have understood enough, and in that understanding have found that it is not a thing worth participating in. It is not enough to even leave it out, because it invades your life, and your mind, and it must be destroyed.

I used to not be a fan or prayer.  I always thought in terms of 'Me' and 'I'.  Now I give thanks for many things.  I've burned off the old me, the illusions, the parts of me I wish to discard.  It's an ongoing process, but what is left is lighter and much happier.  I am happy, something I never said before this year.  I know where I'm going, even if I have yet decided on the exact path.  I am going home, and I'm taking all of me with me.

Happiness is great. Happiness is not everything. Many people are happy, this does not mean that they are right. In perpetuating happiness, sometimes people must alter their perceptions, and those perceptions are not necessarily real, or correct. I would rather be right, than happy. This is how I avoid fantasy, it is how I find pride in truth even if it is ugly.

You have made some interesting points, points which I believe encompass the thoughts of many on this board, and I thank you for composing that so well Rastus. If however, you would use my favourite Bovine Bookworm, I would be even more exceedingly appreciative