Hey what's up. I've got a serious issue with my brain.
I hate for this to be my first post on this forum, but I had to make an account to get an opinion of the community. I started looking into spiritualism and AP about 2 years ago. I am a student in mechanical engineering, and I was back then too. When I started out, I mainly did it for the pretentious right to say "look what I can do" and "you silly 3D humans". In the very beginning, I was practicing to see auras and work with energies and stuff like that. Then I wanted to learn to have lucid dreams, not as any part of spiritual advancement or anything but just because it is really darn entertaining. I got kinda good at having lucid dreams after a very short time. Then I looked into binaural beats in the gammas and deltas, and after listening to them for a few nights (a track with soothing rain and every so often a dog would bark and make me half wake up) I was able to climb out of my body and crawl under heavy gravity out my bedroom door and half way down my stairs when I tried to open my already open eyes, and opened my physical eyes and woke up. I had a few other APs, but then I started having lucid dreams that were based on trying to have out of body's. Then I gradually began to lose my ability to experience anything spiritual at all. During the time my experiences began to block, college was getting really heavy. Calculus 2, calc 3, electric physics, etc. Now the stuff I'm learning is so hard that there aren't any sites on the entire internet that explain anything about the units in the books.
I think it may have something to do with using the logical side of my brain exclusively every single day. I mean, there's absolutely no need to use the other side of my brain and there has not been for the 2 years I've been in school. But on top of that, it's so draining to go through engineering school - failure after failure after failure, and just scraping by good enough with a C as the best anyone can do without giving up things like speaking to their significant other. I don't even remember any of my dreams anymore. The main point is that when I try to AP, I get just as calm as I did in the before times until my body is totally numb. That's supposed to be when you can have obes. But I just lie there and wait without a thought on my mind. I think nothing at all - completely blank and numb. Not even "why is it not happening"; seriously, I am meditating at that time. And then 5am rolls by and I just give up and roll over and ruin the whole sleep paralysis and go to sleep for real.
And that lead me to start believing that the spirit doesn't exist. Don't take me as a skeptic. There's still a little pin head-sized particle in my brain that truly believes everything is possible. It's just become an impossibility to me to do anything with any energy. And dreams about having APs are just so depressing when you wake up and realize you've just been inside your brain the whole time.
Can anyone please give spiritual comfort to one who's lost their soul? I mean without AP, there's no way for me to confirm anymore that I'm actually alive and conscious; right now I've only got that I'm made of flesh. Suggestions on getting help from other energy entities to help me separate?
Heya Moo! :)
Welcome to the forum. I'll take your post in logical chunks to make it easier to respond. Things might be out of order a bit. :)
Quote from: MooMeat42 on October 17, 2014, 09:59:14
Hey what's up. I've got a serious issue with my brain.
No issue with your "brain". You're just confused.. too much information coming at you from too many angles.
QuoteI hate for this to be my first post on this forum, but I had to make an account to get an opinion of the community. I started looking into spiritualism and AP about 2 years ago. I am a student in mechanical engineering, and I was back then too. When I started out, I mainly did it for the pretentious right to say "look what I can do" and "you silly 3D humans".
That's not really a good position to begin with this from. Working from a position of ego will end you in a position of ego... that doesn't help anyone, including yourself.
QuoteIn the very beginning, I was practicing to see auras and work with energies and stuff like that. Then I wanted to learn to have lucid dreams, not as any part of spiritual advancement or anything but just because it is really darn entertaining.
That's as good a reason as any. There is as much or as little spirituality in projection as you want there to be. You can find out about your deepest, darkest side and learn... or fly around and have fun. It's entirely up to you.
QuoteI got kinda good at having lucid dreams after a very short time. Then I looked into binaural beats in the gammas and deltas, and after listening to them for a few nights (a track with soothing rain and every so often a dog would bark and make me half wake up) I was able to climb out of my body and crawl under heavy gravity out my bedroom door and half way down my stairs when I tried to open my already open eyes, and opened my physical eyes and woke up. I had a few other APs, but then I started having lucid dreams that were based on trying to have out of body's. Then I gradually began to lose my ability to experience anything spiritual at all. During the time my experiences began to block, college was getting really heavy. Calculus 2, calc 3, electric physics, etc. Now the stuff I'm learning is so hard that there aren't any sites on the entire internet that explain anything about the units in the books.
So, you CAN and HAVE done this. You can and will do it again. :)
QuoteI think it may have something to do with using the logical side of my brain exclusively every single day. I mean, there's absolutely no need to use the other side of my brain and there has not been for the 2 years I've been in school. But on top of that, it's so draining to go through engineering school - failure after failure after failure, and just scraping by good enough with a C as the best anyone can do without giving up things like speaking to their significant other. I don't even remember any of my dreams anymore. The main point is that when I try to AP, I get just as calm as I did in the before times until my body is totally numb. That's supposed to be when you can have obes. But I just lie there and wait without a thought on my mind. I think nothing at all - completely blank and numb. Not even "why is it not happening"; seriously, I am meditating at that time. And then 5am rolls by and I just give up and roll over and ruin the whole sleep paralysis and go to sleep for real.
That's entirely possible. However, when you say that you "just lie there and wait without a thought on my mind"... you're saying that you're not actively doing anything in order to engage the projection reflex. You can "wait" until you're blue in the face and the only thing you'll do is either fall asleep or get frustrated. At least when you fall asleep you do have the chance of becoming consciously aware during the experience and have a spontaneous projection. LoL
QuoteAnd that lead me to start believing that the spirit doesn't exist. Don't take me as a skeptic. There's still a little pin head-sized particle in my brain that truly believes everything is possible. It's just become an impossibility to me to do anything with any energy.
Well, allow me to propose another option: Don't believe and don't disbelieve. Put "belief" aside for now and wait until you have more personal experience to support one side or the other.
QuoteAnd dreams about having APs are just so depressing when you wake up and realize you've just been inside your brain the whole time.
One of the first BIG realizations I made regarding projections was that this stuff isn't happening "inside your brain"... it's also not happening "outside your brain" either. Those statements are fundamentally flawed in regards to how "consciousness" and "awareness" happens.
Give this article I wrote a read: http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/labeling-experiences-of-the-non-physical/
It'll explain things a bit more without me being completely redundant here. LoL
QuoteCan anyone please give spiritual comfort to one who's lost their soul? I mean without AP, there's no way for me to confirm anymore that I'm actually alive and conscious; right now I've only got that I'm made of flesh. Suggestions on getting help from other energy entities to help me separate?
Look around...
Take a deep breath...
Exhale...
You're conscious...
You're aware...
You sound like you're doing just fine.
Also, (shameless plug here)... give my book a read: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/39504726/Phasing_Primer.pdf
Again, welcome aboard. :)
Don't make the mistake of wanting to go 'out of body' when you are in a lucid dream. When you are in a lucid dream you are ALREADY 'out of body.' It doesn't matter if you've had that experience of separation from your body or not. Say you separated, waded through the heavy feeling you get when you're close to your body, floated around your house ...then you flew through the wall and ended up in another dimension/ reality. Take notice of how you feel at this point because it is EXACTLY the same as what you feel like in a (fully) lucid dream. My point is that they are the same state. The only thing you need to pay attention to when in a lucid dream is your lucidity level. As long as you are fully lucid (having all your physical memories in tact) you're there! You are 'out of body' and don't need to separate. If things feel hazy or dreamy -just bump up your lucidity (awareness) by interacting with your environment. -Touch, taste, examine something closely. Ask yourself some questions -Who am I ? Where am I? What is my goal here? If you do this, you'll realize you're 'out of body' in a hurry. Your reality will feel as real as this physical reality.
Don't worry about your temporary lack of ability to project. It happens to all of us. Stress takes it's toll. When my husband's life get's very stressful (he's an engineer too) he doesn't project either. Neither do I when I'm ultra-involved with earthly things. There are times and seasons for all things. You'll get it back again in due time. Check out all the helpful techniques on the site. Sometimes rotating techniques is helpful. I had to do that when my first technique suddenly stopped working for no apparent reason. It did the trick. :)
@Xanth
You blew my mind on page: -I never could have imagined that:
15 - I had already phased with the swimmy head and ringing in my ears and everything; just that I had been asleep for it
17 - I'm half way in the astral every morning
Frank blew my mind on 20
21 - Yep, that's me
51 - Relaxation is for the weak ;P
This book tho. This book is friggin awesome. It's like an honest to life spell book.
Thank you both for clearing up some of my misconceptions. I feel a lot better now
Quote from: soarin12 on October 17, 2014, 10:52:01
Don't make the mistake of wanting to go 'out of body' when you are in a lucid dream. When you are in a lucid dream you are ALREADY 'out of body.'
I have read this lots of times but when I lucid dream things change. For instance if I stare at something it's shape changes. Of course everything is almost as real as in reality but still everything is made by my subconscious. Especially characters. I have never had OBE but as I know astral world is similar to our physical world (before entering other planes). So how can lucid dream and OBE be same if lucid dream is made by me and OBE in opposite is real.
Quote from: Maria on October 18, 2014, 09:32:07
I have read this lots of times but when I lucid dream things change. For instance if I stare at something it's shape changes. Of course everything is almost as real as in reality but still everything is made by my subconscious. Especially characters. I have never had OBE but as I know astral world is similar to our physical world (before entering other planes). So how can lucid dream and OBE be same if lucid dream is made by me and OBE in opposite is real.
That's because you FIRMLY hold the belief that you're "in" your body to begin with.
And nothing can truly be real to you unless you "leave" those confines.
Consciousness is consciousness... it's not confined to any "space". Consider that. :)
Quote from: Maria on October 18, 2014, 09:32:07
I have read this lots of times but when I lucid dream things change. For instance if I stare at something it's shape changes. Of course everything is almost as real as in reality but still everything is made by my subconscious. Especially characters. I have never had OBE but as I know astral world is similar to our physical world (before entering other planes). So how can lucid dream and OBE be same if lucid dream is made by me and OBE in opposite is real.
What you are calling an OBE is every bit as 'subconscious' as what you're calling the lucid dreaming state. You'll understand once you've had a few. At first when you 'separate from your body' and see your bedroom looking the same as in the physical you'll think it's "real." Then you realize some things are out of place. Your cat's ears are too pointy. There is a book shelf where the sink should be. The living room is a little cleaner than you left it last night.
I'm not saying it's impossible to see what is actually going on in the physical. It's just not exactly easy or natural. You find that when you're in what you are calling an OBE, your thoughts manifest before your eyes just as readily as in a lucid dream. Now in what you're calling the lucid dreaming state, I've had many validations that what I'm experiencing is not just my imagination. To name a few, I've seen one week into the future, twice. Iv'e seen and experienced many things just the way authors of AP books have seen them, and I had the experience first, before I read the books. This is all proof to me of the collective consciousness.
So my advice is to forget about the labels. Glorifying OBEs and limiting lucid dreams can get you stuck in a rut you don't want to be stuck in. As Xanth said above, consciousness is consciousness. It definitely has it's difficulties and it's wonders. :lol:
So you mean that an OBE is a creation of subconscious as well as lucid dreaming, then where is the edge between imagination and reality? I have seen the future in my dreams too but it was absolutely logical. I could have guessed it without any dream.
Quote from: Maria on October 18, 2014, 15:04:17
So you mean that an OBE is a creation of subconscious as well as lucid dreaming, then where is the edge between imagination and reality? I have seen the future in my dreams too but it was absolutely logical. I could have guessed it without any dream.
Where is the edge between imagination and reality? Good question and the only way to know is to keep experiencing until you get your own validations. The two times I saw the future in my projections were not logical. I was shocked by them. One was a scene I saw in a town I'd never been to. At the time I had no idea where it was or that it was more than a subconscious creation. Then one week later, I visited a town I'd never been to before and was shocked to see the same scene I saw in my projection. The other one was -I saw a plane fly over my house so low that I literally thought it would crash into my house or in my field just beyond. The sound was deafening. One week later, it happened just as I saw it. Very scary, but I forced myself to go out and watch the scene play out just as in my projection. If you journal your experiences and take time to reflect on them you'll probably start to get some validations. :)
This is a contineum in my way of thinking. The imagination or shadowform areas are actually closest and most superficial to you as you get closer to the source or God your vision becomes truer to an objective reality. This applies both to phsyical and astral. Instead of separating them understand them as parts of this continueum.
Quote from: soarin12 on October 18, 2014, 16:25:21
If you journal your experiences and take time to reflect on them you'll probably start to get some validations. :)
I'm really far from that experiences yet. My lucid dreams are rare and I haven't tried an OBE. I have read an article, (http://earthweareone.com/5-ways-to-have-amazing-otherworldly-dreams/) author said that an OBE needs spiritual purity and detoxified Pineal Gland also several years on a pure diet free from toxin. Unless I want to meet lower astral creatures. I don't consider myself spiritually pure and I eat sugar, meet and other toxic products too. I must work hard if I really want to do that.
Quote from: Bluefirephoenix on October 19, 2014, 04:47:00
This is a contineum in my way of thinking.
Do you mean that when people dream they jump out of their body without realizing it? and maybe they exist in a plane where subconscious creates it's own reality.
Quote from: Maria on October 21, 2014, 10:25:47
I'm really far from that experiences yet. My lucid dreams are rare and I haven't tried an OBE. I have read an article, (http://earthweareone.com/5-ways-to-have-amazing-otherworldly-dreams/) author said that an OBE needs spiritual purity and detoxified Pineal Gland also several years on a pure diet free from toxin. Unless I want to meet lower astral creatures. I don't consider myself spiritually pure and I eat sugar, meet and other toxic products too. I must work hard if I really want to do that.
Do you mean that when people dream they jump out of their body without realizing it? and maybe they exist in a plane where subconscious creates it's own reality.
It's important to eat right to maintain your health in general, but it's going overboard to say you need a toxin free diet and to detox your pineal gland in order to have OBEs. My diet is OK, but not toxin free or sugar free by any means, and I have no problems projecting. Don't let this scare you off. You might want to not have much food in your stomach when you attempt projecting, though. That's important for me -not everyone, though.
I agree having good ethics is important if you want to move into the 'higher planes' and not be attracted to the low. If you are kind and compassionate to all beings and have a desire to serve others you will go far. :)