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Title: lust and love, Inevitable?
Post by: Urantia on May 22, 2008, 00:14:49
I hear stories of people doing the most extraordinary, remarkable , and some say impossible things for love. it's a phenomenon worth noticing in every living being on the planet and seems to be infinite in its nature. Is lust just a way of showing love in an unconscious way? how do you know the true difference between the two? and if there isn't,  is it only human to fall in love with someone who craves lust? and the very last question, is love inevitable for all beings?
Title: Re: lust and love, Inevitable?
Post by: Brolyson on May 22, 2008, 21:50:03
QuoteIs lust just a way of showing love in an unconscious way?

If you are asking if lust is a part of Love, than you must first know what Love truly is in order to know what it is not. Lust is a derivative of what one might believe Love to be, but is actually a derivative of desire. What one might call lust comes from the primal instincts given to us through our nature as organic man and woman. If lust is a derivative of desire, than the input of the feelings brought forth from the opposite sex, instinctual lust, effects the desire to have the male and female choose to mate. If there were no input (lust) than would anyone choose to interact physically in sexual intercourse?

The problem with lust though, is that it has been perverted to an extreme so far from its original intention (the original intention of lust being the fuel to the fire called desire for the opposite sex), that it has taken on a whole new meaning, and this new meaning has been co-created by everyone on planet earth throughout all of its experience directly related to every single one persons experience, and is now so far from it's original intention that it is only from ones perspective that he/she can choose whether they are experiencing lust, or not.

I'm not sure what you mean by  "in a unconscious way".  :?

Quotehow do you know the true difference between the two?

If I am not mistaken, maybe you are asking for clarification of the difference in Love and lust. When someone is asked to describe love, they pause and think. Usually followed with a blank stare upwards, looking around for something to jog their memory. Within the mind however, a lot more is going on.

At this moment what is occurring is a myriad of memories that come into view within the sub-conscious mind, presenting itself to your conscious mind for a definition of Love from ones past experiences (including those of remarkable stories/movies one has seen/heard/read), the organic brain is dancing with lighting fast vibrations of energy producing the bio-chemical fix the body will then sense, and conclude in their answer to me what they believe Love is.

Because of the "atmosphere" (not literally speaking) of the experiences one has memorized and brought forth the present in conscious thought, I have experienced nearly 100% of the responders responses to me come from the outside world and it's outside to inside interactions with oneself. And so the person I ask to describe love to me after coming to me for certain advice would always go to the outside of oneself to produce the explanation of what exactly love is. They usually get to a point where they can't find anything outside of them self anymore, coming to the realization that they really just plain don't know what love is. If someone claims to know all the answers, he/she has only proven that he has yet to truly learn. So in asking me what love is, I can only go to the experience of myself in my search for the answers to the many questions including but not limited to "what is Love?".

Asking me if I know what Love is usually comes with a, "are you sure you want to know what I believe?" So if you are not interested in embracing a change of some sort or another, or at least being open to someone else's perspective, then the following might not be for you to read at this point.

However if you are interested in a possible new outlook on this subject, then I hope these words are well in your search for true Love.




We must have knowledge in what we are comparing any difference of any object thing word or meaning.  If we were to look up a word, such as lust, it is a series of words used to describe the experiences that are involved in certain ways of thinking about the opposite sex. The definition of words is only the foundation of the collective meaning of lust, so this may vary on your experiential definition of lust from which you have chosen in life, as well as what you plan to choose in life in conjunction with your definition of lust.

To define the word Love seems to be more difficult to define with words, so we go almost immediately to experience. When one looks outside of self to find it, they will always be searching, and others who claim to have found it cling on to "it", the outer objects of love in which they describe dear to them to give them the "feeling" of Love. After the combination of other words and memories used to describe  general "feelings" of love, one would have to agree that Love needs to be experienced in order to know what Love is, and therefore will or will not truly know what lust by definition is or has any difference from Love, because in order to know the difference of anything, one would first have to experience what it is and what it is not. So I cannot define Love for you, however I can most surely point you in the right direction.

Love cannot be fully understood from a dualistic perception, and so if one seeks to know true love in order to know what love is, one must not look outside of their self, they must look within their self. But how can we find Love within if we don't know what Love is in the first place? This is why we experiment in Life, and make discerning choices of what Love is and what Love is not. In other words, in what you believe Love to be within you, you would then show and give this Love to others in order to experience and know what Love is. If you find that what you believe Love to be doesn't give you the desired effects of what you believe Love should be, than you keep searching and experimenting. As mentioned above, Love cannot be fully understood from a dualistic perception, so there are many steps to take in order to know what Love truly is, and what it is not. Lifetime after lifetime may be spent on countless possibilities in this search for true Love, so to expect to find it without a good amount of knowledge in knowing what Love is not, than the search will be incomplete until you have transcended the limitations of the carnal mind.

Once the experiential knowledge of true Love is known by a mind that has transcended the dualistic state of consciousness, one will have experiential knowledge of what Love is, and one will know through experiential knowledge what love is not.

Title: Re: lust and love, Inevitable?
Post by: RemoteTouch on May 23, 2008, 11:23:15
In my opinion lust is the sexual attraction to the physical person.  Love is the sexual attraction to spiritual person.  Both are great, but both are required for things to work properly
Title: Re: lust and love, Inevitable?
Post by: Urantia on May 29, 2008, 11:01:20
thanks guys i feel as the days go by, i might have a better understanding of love.
Title: Re: lust and love, Inevitable?
Post by: Seeking ET on August 18, 2008, 22:16:17
Love is a difficult question.  I often wonder about it myself.  I do think that love is a natural human emotion.  Just as fear and yes also lust is.  I would seperate lust from love without question.  But there is a difference in their nature.  You can be in lust without being in love, but it seems much more difficult to be in love without being in lust.  It's only natural to have basic animal attraction to someone you are in love with.  Many marriages fail because of a bad sex life.  As for whether or not it's inevitable for everyone to feel love, it's harder to say.  I think it's possible for any human to feel love.  To have a good and healthy relationship and embrace that feeling.  But others will say they are in love with someone who beats and abuses them.  Even the abuser will say they are in love with their bruised spouse.  In those situations things like obsessiveness, control and ignorance play more a role in their ideas about love.  So whether or not someone is capable of feeling love doesn't necessarily constitute the idea that they will.  It's seems there could be a good chance that everyone can love conditionally.