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I think that's a very uncertain 'no'.
in...te...res...ting...
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Originally posted by dkj400
in...te...res...ting...
Umm...no
the only benefits i derive from masturbating before i lay down is eradicating the chance of me getting an erection when the vibrations start- which is impossible to ignore, i always "empty myself" before i try to project.
I find that masturbation is a good way to chirp erotic thinkings and images that flood into myself when I'm at bedroom. I suppose that occurs done my profession. Anyway, that yields a superb cleaning of the mind.
NEZabaleta
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Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__
I find that masturbation is a good way to chirp erotic thinkings and images that flood into myself when I'm at bedroom. I suppose that occurs done my profession. Anyway, that yields a superb cleaning of the mind.
I see what you mean about cleaning of the mind but for most people you dont want to do much of anything else after that.
Such amature group we are here. :)
I haven't noticed that it has helped - but then, I haven't noticed that it has hurt either.
Yeah thanks for the visual guys...[:D]
The Masturbation topic comes up (no pun intended) every other month!
Do a search on "masturbation" both under subject only and entire message and you will get some thoughts on.....ehem.. you topic. [^]
Nay [;)]
Masturbation makes you tired. It should help paranormal things for the same reason they're easier right after you wake up or as you're going to sleep.
At least it is more interesting than another drug question.
I've been here far too little time. I really thought that NOONE will ask a question like that.
I've had some very sucessful and interesting astral projections after choking the chicken[:D].
it automatically sends the body into very deep relaxation mode.quite often,all I've had to do after *that* is to focus the mind,while the body shuts downm,and it's automatic focus 10[:)]
Sorry about my post earlier. I forgot that this isn't Game FAQs and that were supposed to be helpful here.
Yeah I suppose it DOES get you relaxed, maybe even tired. Its not my sort of thing though [:)]
Dont be so embarrassed Gwathren. Everybody masturbates.
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Originally posted by beavis
Dont be so embarrassed Gwathren. Everybody masturbates.
HAHAHA
NO, actually I meant it in another way. Yes I know that 90% of men and 70% of women. It's not the hottest news. My point was, that of all the forums of the world, it's the place where you discuss phylosophical and these "not so down to earth things". Wanna know about masturbation? Go to "the astral pulse forum"! It's on there. Every month.
Yeah I know, the topic is impossible to escape and that during the medieval times, monks were the craziest for sex.
I'm still young. I'll learn.[:D] Now, I'm sure if anyone would like to make the topic "spiritual sex" a forum-BIG-topic(i mean like astral projection) or robert bruce a new book[:D], I would not even blink an eye.
My surprise was simply that you know: OF ALL THE FORUMS OF THE WORLD!
Gwathren
May shadows reach the light
you can also run or swim about 20 mn it's very effective... don't forget the shower before trying to AP: mens sana in corpore sano as said elders[:D]! I 've foud it very useful
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NO, actually I meant it in another way. Yes I know that 90% of men and 70% of women.
Hehehehehehehehe...I'm sorry, had to jump in...someone is lying! [:O][:P]
Nay [;)]
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Originally posted by Nay
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NO, actually I meant it in another way. Yes I know that 90% of men and 70% of women.
Hehehehehehehehe...I'm sorry, had to jump in...someone is lying! [:O][:P]
Nay [;)]
Oh really? You mean more or less of you?
OK whatever[:D]
actually i think its closer to 99% of men and like 90% of women.
(they dont have to do it regularly,but at least once in a while.)
According to a survey by Dr. Kinsey, 95% of the men and 80% of the women have either experienced or currently practice masturbation.
Dr Weil: Masturbation is a normal sexual behavior that just about everybody engages in - 95 percent of males and 89 percent of females, according to current statistics.
But it must vary "a lot" between different ages/countries/cultures...
Also, "Does Masturbation Protect Men's Health?":
Answer: http://www.drweil.com/app/cda/drw_cda.html-command=TodayQA-questionId=297851
apparently it makes a mans day in the office more successful, thanks to the release of all that testosterone that would turn an otherwise prosperous day into a day filled with sexual harrasment or something like that anyway... I guess thats why it works for AP too, although its better (imho) to try and resist sexual urges because eventually you'll discover one day that hey, I didn't even get distracted by that womans breasts when I was talking to her... no wonder she was so nice to me :)
Sam: I guess thats why it works for AP too, although its better (imho) to try and resist sexual urges
For OBE or anything paranormal, its better not to resist anything.
I read an interesting article about sexual alchemy by Samael Aun Weor, a venerable master of gnosis. He stated something to the effect that masturbation is looked down upon, because it is a useless expenditure of sacred energy. As I understand it, one of the most important parts of becoming fully conscious is the transmutation of this sexual energy, or Kundalini, via alchemy. This is the basis behind tantric sex, in which you don't ejaculate or have an orgasm and learn to channel that sexual energy to your brain via specific pathways that science cannot find because they are in another dimension.
Peace
Hi..!, NEZabaleta, I've a question for you... a question what it's possible you don't want to answer. If you don't want to answer, don't worry, I'll unterstand.
My question is: are you man or woman?
LOL...I always thought Male.....could be wrong though, not the first time that I was totally wrong..
But hey, look at it this way you have a 50/50 chance to be right!
Nay [;)]
Since the subject is back:
Once a day keeps prostate cancer away?
Study: Frequent ejaculations may protect against disease
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4676076/
Well the most recent study just released yesterday, April 6, 2004, supports a string of studies over many years that masturbation helps to prevent prostate cancer. Sort of feeds into the old maxim, "Use it or lose it". The debate about masturbation on this forum is a very healthy one. Because it is such a powerful human experience it has a prominent place in human consciousness even with those who are uncomfortable to acknowledge such, due to a whole variety of religious, cultural, reasons etc. etc. Because of such prominence, it is and will continue to be a focal point in the evolution of consciousness including projectiology. It is after all, a form of projection, especially when accompanied by visualization technique of mental or other kinds. There is a long standing tradition in many Buddhist monasteries, some refer to it as an occult practice, that monks will masturbate to the pont of ejaculation but stop short of emission. They gather the energy to raise the kundalini, as previously suggested, and use this energy as a vehicle to explore all kinds of realms including what some refer to as the Akashic Records. It is also used, because of the power in such a strong desire, to strengthen the will. Some people have practiced abstinence to forget or overcome some desire that they think is harful, sinful etc. A paper was published at Columbia University, (U.S.) many years ago by a Dr. Barnard, that claimed retention of semen was a healthy thing to do for both the body and consciousness. Where I am at personally with it, not to over simplify things, but when I have to go, I have to go. Just like urination. When I am relaxing, about to enter a trance technique, and I have to urinate, I urinate. I don't fight that one. I never win. I get up and go to the bathroom. Discovered that a long time ago, allthough, I got to where I could hold off quite awhile and was always taught, holding off is very unhealthy. It's certainly uncomfortable and very attention seeking. The same with feelings of sexual arousal. I can make a decision to feel it and try to use that energy for other purposes, or if it takes my attention so much that it interferes with relaxation,concentration, etc., then I know how to relieve myself. Learned that one a long time ago too. In any case, keep talking about this subject if you want to. It's a healthy thing to do and an important one. Don't be afraid of the subject, and please don't disrespect or put down anyone for "bringing it up."
I find this a valid topic but I did post a topic a long long time ago. Yes it clears your mind. When you get the slightest imagery its very hard to ignore your dingy and your AP is gone!
That's all well and great, but I too am wondering: is __-nezabaleta-
__ a man or women?
Aargh...nevermind. But I do have to say one thing--I have never actually thought of masturbating before a projection attempt, and now that I think about it, it does make a lot of sense. All erotic thoughts and sensations disapear for at least an hour after masturbating, I also notice a feeling of complete bodily "awareness" afterwards. For example, if I had cut myself earlier and the pain slightly disapeared, after masturbating, the pain becomes "unmasked" and more apparent again. Masturbation also calms me, but not energetically or mentally, just purely physically.
I really have no problem with the subject of masturbation. In fact, I think I'll try it before my next projection attempt.
One thing I find interesting is males admit they do it more than females do.
jc84corvette, are you insinuating that I am a male? Well then...
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Diane, show him what he won!
Well Neo, he has just won a two-week dream vacation to the beautiful Phucket Islands! He will be staying at a five-star hotel and will be given the opportunity to meet rock band Linkin Park!
Sounds lovely, thanks Diane...
Well, now that I've got that of my chest, it's time to settle down a bit. I do agree with you jc, but to an extent. Most women who have any inkling of decency usually do not readily admit they masturbate. On the other hand, I go to high school in Woonsocket, Rhode Island. Now, "Woonyville" is, for those not in the know, the RI equivalent of the likes of Chicago, Detroit, NYC, and perhaps even LA. (I am implying that Woonsocket is a run-down dumpster of a city). Now, at my high school, the girls seem to have no sense of what a women should be. Even girls only fourteen years-old have nothing else on there mind but sex, drugs, and more sex. I have met many whom readily expose their sex-life, including one girl who lauded that she just made-out with three diffent guys in three days. Even one of my friends--who, until recently, I thought was relatively modest--told me the other day she had to go home and "flick her bean."
So yeah, men are more open with that kind of stuff, unless you live in the ghetto, then it's the other way around. (I guess the polls forgot that minority)
Neza baleta: his messages are spam.
I'll rise, but I refuse to shine.
[^]
I never respected the Kinsey report:I thought they were misguided:that job seems to me like studying the color of people's tilets:lets talk about people's sexuality when they really need food on the table
Oh Black Water
Keep on rollin
Mississippi moon wont you keep on shinin on me
Keep on shinin your light
Gonna make everything
Gonna make everything all right
[8D][xx(][V]
Kundalini:life energy:use your energy in pursuits that benefit yourself and others:like many of my statements this one is amenable to many lesser interpretations:mutual welfare and benefit
www.actionlove.com
This site shares some of the downfalls of masturbation (with ejaculation, and potentially without ejaculation)
Also...
www.universal-tao.com
To comment on Cezyl's statement about Dr Lin's website (www.actionlove.com), Dr Lin does NOT believe in complete abstinence, nor does he believe in ejaculating too frequently. According to Lin, frequency of ejaculation is determined mostly by age and health of individual, thus a 40 year old man can ejaculate at a frequency rate of from 7 to 10 days with maximum benefit to health and energy.
However, for the more determined here's a site with info on how to 'go the distance' with storing one's sexual energy, in this case, if you believe the author, for months at a time. Any takers? [;)]
http://www.precisiondocs.com/~keithf/HLSBielsFireWater.htm#SpermPalace
Here's another segment of the same site...
http://www.precisiondocs.com/~keithf/HLBMSELTT.htm#PreparingTheBody
If you guys are so worried about losing energy, why don't you just eat your semen? Then aren't you just eating back the energy? Do you see the logic of the energy loss? It sounds like its more psychological for you guys rather than physical.
I don't hesitate to eat it but when the great moment seems to come, I put a pressure on my perineum to prevent the leakage. (I'm a horny person and my spiritual rocket always ready to launch.)
Thanks for clarifying nitetravler. [:D]
Taalnar. I have never thought about eating my semen to prevent energy loss, or chemical loss. I'll have to ask about that, or read his and other sites more to see how this would work. Thank you for sharing. [:)]
Cezyl
*pours cold water on upstream* [;)]
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Originally posted by Taalnar
If you guys are so worried about losing energy, why don't you just eat your semen? Then aren't you just eating back the energy? Do you see the logic of the energy loss? It sounds like its more psychological for you guys rather than physical.
I can't even believe I'm going to entertain this subject but this is a real question: What about when a woman swallows it? Is she receiving more energy from the guy? Does that make her MORE POWERFUL???
Please answer with truth on this one. I know if may sound like a joke question but it's not.
Blissful
If you guys are so worried about losing energy, why don't you just eat your semen? Then aren't you just eating back the energy? Do you see the logic of the energy loss? It sounds like its more psychological for you guys rather than physical.
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thats the funniest thing i've heard this month
i dont think i'd like eating semen. not going to try it.
i also dont think energy is in it any more than a turd
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Originally posted by rodentmouse
the only benefits i derive from masturbating before i lay down is eradicating the chance of me getting an erection when the vibrations start- which is impossible to ignore, i always "empty myself" before i try to project.
OMG and here I was thinking I was a wierdo.....
We don't like your attitude, Beavis.
More than half of the human population eat it regularly. Don't be oddball.
Now, I will hipnotize you....I begin to count from 3 to 1, and when I reach the 1, you will be in deep trance, hungry for your own sperm.
Now I begin to count. 3.......................2...............................1.................................
You're in deep trance now.
Now, I order you to eat it. I O-R-D-E-R YOU TO EAT IT......DO IT NOW!
(1 min silence, or perhaps less)
Good. Now, you're see taste like sweetish, if you don't slaps it far and wide. Even had gold in it.
(at least more than other body fluid)
Lord, I.m glad my mother does not know about this web site. ha
Ok ya'll... lets try and keep it clean, PLEASE!
Nay
Yes it's very important. And wash your hands too, especially before cooking.
Jeez, look what happens when you try to have an intelligent, enlightening discussion on matters of great import. [}:)]
I come home from work ready to chow down, log onto this site, read something about eating semen, and lose my appetite. [xx(]
As Khan said in Star Trek II, "From hell's heart I stab at thee..." [:(!]
upstream: We don't like your attitude, Beavis.
More than half of the human population eat it regularly. Don't be oddball.
Now, I will hipnotize you....I begin to count from 3 to 1, and when I reach the 1, you will be in deep trance, hungry for your own sperm.
Now I begin to count. 3.......................2...............................1.................................
You're in deep trance now.
Now, I order you to eat it. I O-R-D-E-R YOU TO EAT IT......DO IT NOW!
(1 min silence, or perhaps less)
Good. Now, you're see taste like sweetish, if you don't slaps it far and wide. Even had gold in it.
(at least more than other body fluid)
If that were true, I could buy jars of semen at the grocery store. Human semen, of course, would cost more than animal semen.
If you're still insistent on eating semen, send me $5 and I'll mail you some of mine.
Dear Sir,
Your offer seems fair, but we consider it to our duty to notify you that you're company have to work hard for our money. The gold cost app. $13.87/g, so for every $5 you offered, we have to get 0.5768 gram of gold from your swipe. Let's it 0.5 gram because our growing friendship has a great value for me as a person.
I'm afraid, that our little business will suffer from the fact alone that a person weighing about 70 kilograms contain only 0.2 mg of gold. The good news is, that according to Skandhan and Abraham (1984), the semen is "the richest source of gold reported in biological materials."
Your brave offer is enough prove to me that you have a gold mine between your legs, so I don't let my investors to humiliate you by checking your spermatogramms. I think, your swipe can produce at least 5g semen (= 4.76 ml thick substance) with every 'aaah' of you. By every time when the dry noise of your hands turn to sloppy our business would yield 1.4285714286e-8 gram gold, which is 0.000019814285714 cents. That takes 25234318,6733958 ejaculation which produce 120 115 litre semen (in app. 80 000 jars).
Sir, my gold reductors are waiting for your camions.
lol. but not as funny as that comment about eating semen
120115 liters of semen. I better get started!
To those who think this thread is too nasty, what did you expect in a thread about masturbation?
please, don't do it until you check my calcualtions.
perhaps I put the decimal point in wrong place, and you have to produce only 12011 liter
If you continue to "pull your rope you will become a "rope-a-dope". Pun intended.
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Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__
I've find that masturbation is a reliable way for to settle my physical body and have success in pulling the rope at least in hte first stages of dropping brainwaves to alpha state. I reachs, too, something like a perspective sensation (seed of "mind split effect"..?). Sensation wich I assumes as indicative of detachment but I try to ignore it, for don't to lost the thread of splitting process. Anyone have similar experiencies..?
According to Eastern thought and Taoism....when you masurbate you release vital energy called "jing". So in theory....I don't see how it would help you since you would be releasing vital energy that you might need to OBE. If anything...you should refrain from masturbating as long as possible to cultivate and build up energy. [:D]
this has got to be the grossest topic ...it wasnt that bad in the beginning it was logical and stuff and it was just a thought then it turns into like ....ugg ...but i agree mastrubation does calm you down..and who cares if you lose a precious energy... just gain alot through you energy source and use your own. plus it gets rid of thats songs that get stuck in your head
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To those who think this thread is too nasty, what did you expect in a thread about masturbation?
Agree entirely, that's why I wrote what I did. If people are worried about losing energy they can either stop doing
it or take the plan B route. I sort of said what I said in jest to make people stop and think what they are really worrying about and given the simple (of what I find logical) solution how silly it all sort of seems (to me anyways). It seemed to me people were just trying to beat around the bush instead of looking at the real issue.
PS Beavis, should we market the product as something along the lines of "Spam in a Can" except changing the first word a little to something that sounds similar? [;)]
PSS Protein contains 18kj/gram. Just drink 100ml of low fat milk and you should get your energy and protein back.
Yeah psionic, ive heard that theory, the shaolin monkes reckon knocking one out realses vital chee, as they call it. I know i fell pretty energised when im full of chee lol [^]
Its a shame that my first post would be about something like this. Anyway it seems like its a crutch. You should be able to relax without it.
I think some credits must be given to nezabaleta.
As woman that I am, I have verified that orgasm sensations are like (but MORE stronger) to that derivative of body energy development exercises, when from the center sub-bellybutton I re-energize all the parts of my body.
When that occurs I've partial success in climbing the rope. By example, seeing trough eyelids and full viewing of aura are the two main sequels.
Natalia
I have read all of the replies in this topic and was fascinated by the imagination and creativity of participating members concerning masturbation! lol :-)
But lets not forget what this forum is all about :-) I would say that the loss of energy (chi) during ejaculation, stimulates energy movement in the body and therefore can help in AP. The question of usability of this method depends on how much of it is left for the AP itself. -Andrei-
That is totally GROSS 4 pages taken up about masterbation? Ain't you guys getting any or somat??
OHMIGOD![xx(][xx(][xx(][xx(]
TELL YOU WHAT I'LL GIVE YA ALL SOMAT TO FINK ABOUT WHILE YOU DO IT
AVRIL LAVINE LEZZIN OFF WID J.LO
J.Lo? hmm..yam..yam...thanks for the tip.
Although masturbation is nasty thing, I think nezabaleta (this topic's author) is partially right. Masturbation can works like a dinamo process leading to store a great amount of mental energy. Such a big amount of mental energy can be sublimated boosting the rope pulling mental work, avoiding subsequently the energy loss involved by the orgasm.
Natalia
Ady said: "But lets not forget what this forum is all about :-) I would say that the loss of energy (chi) during ejaculation, stimulates energy movement in the body and therefore can help in AP."
Come again? How does losing chi stimulate energy-development?
Since abstaining from masterbation for the last month (to spite runlola), it was hard in the initial weeks, especially when a *&@#ing incubus made me have an unfortunate "accident". But I can certainly say that I am far more clear minded now for partaking in this "not-doing" exercise. I'm striding more towards sexual relations for the purpose of amplification of our electrical-vibrations (and expression of love -- of course...), rather than just hump-hump, wam-bam-thank-you-mam purposes. And I can only look at male-masterbation as an idiotic perverted past-time. Everything that favours it is rubbish. Female-masterbation on the other hand...hmmph. Art-nouveau? [8D] Seriously though, I don't think it is necessarily the same form of energy-depletion in the feminine aspect. This is because the woman is the bearer, the holder of energy rather than seeker. The male chi/essence is concentrated in our ejaculated semen (god, I can't believe this thread has led me to speak with no shame on this subject), and this is for the purpose of creating a friggin life-form. So it makes sense why energy is zipped into an export. I call male masterbation a perversion because I don't think it was ever intended for a man to sit or stand in any areas jerking Mr.One-Eyed-Magic-Johnson like a damn tire-pump. When we do it, we are taking advantage and manipulating ourselves, plain and simple. Yes, it may have relatively well-intended results due to lack of "getting-some" (build up stress/strain), but that doesn't make it reasonable for humanity to redefine the purpose of biology to claim it is natural. It isn't. But what IS natural in our society anyway? Masterbation is just another side-effect from a tweaked out world. If it was up to me, we'd all be running around naked playing "capture the flag" all-day. [;)]
Anyways, with that said: (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/uploaded/runlola/sprint.gif)
I've read that most of the fluid in semen is prostrate fluid - and that a research study in Australia showed that if you masterb a lot 1-2 times daily in during puberty and on-ward, you have a much lower risk of developing prostate cancer. Also, as you get into your 40-50s the level of sperm drops off dramatically and basically alls thats left is the prostate fluid. If you don't get rid of it, you get inflamation and prostatitis and/or a swollen prostate, urinary retention and then you'll need surgery so you can peeeee and then you can cap it off with some cancer. So u critics,...read up before you get to sanctamonious. Mb may be the cure to prostate cancer.
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Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__
I've find that masturbation is a reliable way for to settle my physical body and have success in pulling the rope at least in hte first stages of dropping brainwaves to alpha state. I reachs, too, something like a perspective sensation (seed of "mind split effect"..?). Sensation wich I assumes as indicative of detachment but I try to ignore it, for don't to lost the thread of splitting process. Anyone have similar experiencies..?
Masturbation isn't that different from having sex when you think about it, and I don't believe that you lose any more mental energy than if you were watching a movie, all you really lose is physical energy. The health benefits are there, and men were obviously "designed" to regularly release some semen so you should jerk off if you're not having sex. You people aren't seriously suggesting that men shouldn't be jerking off, are you? I mean boys eventually find out about it naturally that's it's plesurable to play with their penis, and I believe they find out with or without any outside influence, so I would say that masturbation is just as natural as sex. Besides, if you aren't jerking off or having sex, your body will release semen while your sleeping eventually.
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Originally posted by The Maven
You people aren't seriously suggesting that men shouldn't be jerking off, are you? I mean boys eventually find out about it naturally that's it's plesurable to play with their penis, and I believe they find out with or without any outside influence, so I would say that masturbation is just as natural as sex.
Even badly disabled boys start doing this when they reach
the teens. It's not like THEY would get any external influence,
since they would never understand it anyway [|)]
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Originally posted by des Jardins
Although masturbation is nasty thing, I think nezabaleta (this topic's author) is partially right. Masturbation can works like a dinamo process leading to store a great amount of mental energy. Such a big amount of mental energy can be sublimated boosting the rope pulling mental work, avoiding subsequently the energy loss involved by the orgasm.
Natalia
Hi, Natalia..!Your approach is a very good assertion
in pro of the benefits of masturbation. I think a thought form is created whilst masturbation act is in progress. Such a thought form can be used as reservoir of mental energy leading to an increase of pulling act efficiency. Then, is critical to avoid orgasm for to retain and use it. Keguel exercises are advised.
NEZabaleta
We could build up imaginations to prevent energy leackage. Think about the body centered thoroidal flow whhich is used as a general imagination in psyhic protection excercises.
You can recycle the toughtforms as well if you believe so, however, in theory, parasites could use these images to make themselves more appealing to you.
The real problem could be the overburning of the brain 5HT-, dopmaine- and noradrenaline system and the resulted depression.
Have any good links to websites describing the "Keguel Exercises"?
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Originally posted by BlackBox
Have any good links to websites describing the "Keguel Exercises"?
Search at sites devoted to Tantra Yoga and ejaculation control techniques.
hahahhahahaha please forgive me i just find it funny on the subject that you guys have been talkin about for the last five pages i mean its important to talk about its just not your normal conversati0on if you know what i mean
example-[B)]-[:)][:D][:P]-[;)]-[8D] oh yeaaa! lol
This thread is hilarious. I just wanted to wish Beavis and Upstream success and prosperity in their new business venture.
Who says women don't admit to masterbating?! I DO! [:D] In fact, last time I attempted to project (YESTERDAY) I did it, and was succesful!! [:D][:D][:D] Whoever says masterbation is gross, I bet yer the biggest fan of it on these forums!! [:P] And also, whoever it was that said men shouldn't do it, and weren't meant to, that's bs. [:)] I don't think men could live w/o it, unless they're gay... maybe not even then...?? Welp sorry if I've offended anyone with my blunt post, but that's my views on the topic.
Everybody have a good day, and, guys,remember! Protect yourself against prostate cancer!!!!
Well, there is nothing wrong with discussing such things, if it can be done in a mature manner.
In my opinion one doesn't need to tell others when they practice self love.[:P] Take you, Jaclyn, that was just too much information as far as I'm concerned.[xx(] YIKES!
Nay
Interesting subject...I remember when I was younger...where I'd masterbate quite often being a teen of course :)...but a few times after the following day it would feel as though I was on the virge of ejaculation, everyone ever have that? it was strange but, kinda uncomfortable, the feeling was in between my belly button and my groin.
Nay, LOL. Sorry 'bout that. I just don't find my post as bad as the ones tellin' people to eat their sperm. Now THAT was uncalled for. [xx(][:P]
Looks like I will be doing a "medical procedure to prevent prostate cancer" tonight [:D] Lmao
I agree jacklyn, people would just fall over and shrivle up if they didn't. And I realy don't believe your losing LARGE amounts of energy.
awe, to fun anyways....
I've seen this topic on the Active Topics list for a while but never really bothered to read any of it until now. I noticed some things that were brought up but never really expanded up that much unless I skimmed a little too much, so here are some links.
http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/rodin/299/benefits/health%20benefits%20from%20swallowing%20semen%20or%20sperm.htm - Regarding benefits of semen consumption.
http://www.universityobgyn.com/kegal.htm - This is in response to somebody bringing up Kegel/Kegal excercises (there are apparently excercises for men too, but what can I say, I'm lazy.. just do a search on Google).
I also find a sort of calming effect afterwards, and I can also focus more clearly on things that I work on.
WAIT wait wait.... so ya'll were SERIOUS about eatin the "twinkie cream"?!
*gag*
OK..please I'm begging ya, do not speak of such things on the forums. Ya'll are more than welcome to speak about this "twinkie cream" (have to say, that made me chuckle though[^]) in PM's.
And I do not want to get a lecture on how this is helpful and a valid conversation either. Let's just keep the more graphic talk in PM's.
Thanks..
Nay
It's said in some mystical books that orgasm releases all those non integrated parts of the psyche.
On the other hand one of the facts, also pointed, is to cleanse and to command the astral body, in which desires (sexuals too) lay. To do so, sexual continence (to some level) and personality improvement are required.
In my own experience I have felt my visualization powers dropping down after ejaculation, not to speak of all that images, you have just used to excite yourself, wandering around your head.
My conclusion is that it's better to have a healthy sexual activity but taking in count not to starve your "mystical" powers due to it.
Greetings.
Hah I've been trying to teach my buddy how to project for a long time now, and NOTHIN was workin so the other night I told him to masterbate be4 he tried and HE PROJECTED for like the third time in his life. So Masterbation=Good. [:D][:D][:D]
Dear Nezabaleta and my fellow masturbators,
I know that sometimes the need to masturbate is overwhelming. I feel you. We are creatures of flesh, with hormones, etc. However, with such powerful creative force, there is a higher responsiblity for understanding, because of the risks he encounters and the potentials he misses.
Maturbation has some side effects on the individual. It does split his mind (programmers and deprogrammers coin the word "dissociate"), put him in alpha state, and make him more susceptible to ELF and subtle suggestions from evil entities around (especially the serpent humanoids in lower astral). Too much masturbation can also imbalance your root chakra, making it too bright that the individual becomes very addicted (maybe indenial to this of course) and or easily angered. Masturbation is also used in mind control facilities as a tool.
But if you are talking about the astral realm, the sexually abused energy is currently being harvested by evil entities to change our world in their favor! Sex= Power in astral
That is, we dont know how to control the sexual energy.
However, there are some good aspects of masturbation. For one, masturbation prevents stagnancy, which affects the mental-physical-spiritual wellbeing. Celebricy weakens the individual, disguising itself as spiritual enlightenment. Second, although it is abused in sexual magick, one can manifest thoughts or wishes into physical reality by thinking of them at the moment of orgasm (especially when doing it with another who is thinking of the same thoughts).
Ever since the sexual revolution in our culture, many believe that "if it's good, do it." This really prevents them from discovering the spiritual truth of sex, that every position in copulation has a different meaning (sorry, the positions given in spiritual books were tainted by evil astral serpents since the days people say "gods"), and that we can use it as a tool to manifest wishes. We are being enslaved by sexual needs (continually fed by advertisement, etc.), tricked into creating children of the worker line (by being ignorant of the sexual positions and too imbalance at the root chakra that sexual attraction disceits us for true love), and into giving them more powers in changing our reality and consciousness (well, it is us who lets them).
So the bigger question is, are the majority of elites (President, congressmen.. ), really the ones who controlled the media, and so led us through this? Is it true that only people who were in certain fraternities or cults ( *A)have higher chances of obtaining the influential positions of our society? True that performing initiations, drinking blood and performing some rites in the fraternities/cults invite certain astral beings for permanent possession? If that's so, then the NWO does exist.... and the mostly, tall, ancient Serpents and Draconians (mothmen-looking with capes) are still lurking around... Do not think about them when entering the astral realm, or you will be in for a bad treat...
Conclusion. Thanks for reading.
ps. I hope my English didn't turn out too bad this time.
I'd say, spend your root chakra as fast as possible, but visualize its energy as only pale red (like kundalini white combined with some red). It's good, as long as it isn't bright red or another color.
*A
(such as the fraternity, the Bones and Skulls a.k.a Brotherhood of Death, which the Bushes and Kerry publicly admitted of membership [[ Yale University ]] )
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Originally posted by __--nezabaleta--__
I've find that masturbation is a reliable way for to settle my physical body and have success in pulling the rope at least in hte first stages of dropping brainwaves to alpha state. I reachs, too, something like a perspective sensation (seed of "mind split effect"..?). Sensation wich I assumes as indicative of detachment but I try to ignore it, for don't to lost the thread of splitting process. Anyone have similar experiencies..?
I agree with you, especially on the non-integrated part.
From my mindcontrol studies, I learned that performing sex with the other gender is the same as merging each others' non-integrated parts. One releases, as the other accepts, and vice versa. That's why (by account and by my suspection of these events) the elites always sent sex slaves to their fellows, to keep them in line. The sex slaves have programmes in them in which they would release, and they have been mind controlled into servicing only others and not themselves (their sexual sensation numbed, but their performing skills for it trained)
I hypothesize that, in becoming a night club swinger, he or she confuses the connection to God, because of confusing frequency imprints (too much non-integrated parts passed down unto him or her from many different people rather than one).
I hope I am understood; I keep thinking that my English is inefficient, or worse, illegible.
ps. contrary to your experience with sexual release, I find that it it is, for me, something to increase my visualization powers with for a few days.
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Originally posted by andonitxo
It's said in some mystical books that orgasm releases all those non integrated parts of the psyche.
On the other hand one of the facts, also pointed, is to cleanse and to command the astral body, in which desires (sexuals too) lay. To do so, sexual continence (to some level) and personality improvement are required.
In my own experience I have felt my visualization powers dropping down after ejaculation, not to speak of all that images, you have just used to excite yourself, wandering around your head.
My conclusion is that it's better to have a healthy sexual activity but taking in count not to starve your "mystical" powers due to it.
Greetings.
I'm only 10, what's a "twinkie cream?"
lol, no.. I'm not 10, but what does it mean?
Thank you everyone for your input into one of the most incredibly entertaining posts I've ever read. I've been laughing for at least 10 minutes now.
My own feelings are that masterbation and sex are both good when done in moderation, which moderation will vary from one person to the next, depending on the persons age and their sex drive, with the best objective being to use it when needed, and not allow it to become a habit which takes up so much of the person time that it crowds into or inhibits the time they would be spending meditating.
Concerning those who would think it is beneficial spiritually to save ones semem, which I've not seen many in this forum who think that, ha ha, I would disagree, as at least for me it causes much more to be produced if I keep it flowing, in addition to keeping my organs healthy. I agree with Jacyln on that, and congratulate her on her healthy attitude on this subject.
I have a feeling I'm going to really enjoy these forums. Great to be here.
I can't believe that, Nay, you make my post with the hairy egg disappear! I forget the URL so I have to upload the picture.
Jaclyn, is your buddy something to do with RB's new book, 'masturbating astral projection?'
Ignore all the ingrained, puritanical, repressed, christian dogmatics concerning masterbation; if they have repressed issues with it, its their problem!
Masterbation is perfectly natural and in fact as medical science has shown, it is unhealthy to NOT vent your seed every day. If you have a partner then you can vent you seed this way (providing they have the time and/or will to participate) otherwise you have to do it yourself... nothing wrong in this and ignore those fools who say otherwise.
Ask any sociologist and/or biologist. masterbation is humanity's 'safety valve', without it we'd all go mad from sexual frustration and end up killing each other; if certain idiots wish to live in such a 'time bomb' society then could they please do so somewhere else! We don't need any more rapist on the streets!
To everyone else I say:
MASTERBATERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR SPERM!
MASTERBATERS!
THE CORPORATE WORLD SUPPORTS YOUR RIGHT TO MASTERBATE:
NIKE: JUST DO IT!
SAFEWAY: LIGHTNING THE LOAD!
MCDONALDS: I'M LOVIN IT!
[;)]
Douglas
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Originally posted by upstream
I can't believe that, Nay, you make my post with the hairy egg disappear! I forget the URL so I have to upload the picture.
Jaclyn, is your buddy something to do with RB's new book, 'masturbating astral projection?'
LOL.. Why must you assume I am the one to do it? [:P] I swear I didn't even see such a picture. *crosses heart*
Nay [:)]
*I'm a bit curious now* [;)]
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Originally posted by Gandalf
Ignore all the ingrained, puritanical, repressed, christian dogmatics concerning masterbation; if they have repressed issues with it, its their problem!
Masterbation is perfectly natural and in fact as medical science has shown, it is unhealthy to NOT vent your seed every day. If you have a partner then you can vent you seed this way (providing they have the time and/or will to participate) otherwise you have to do it yourself... nothing wrong in this and ignore those fools who say otherwise.
Ask any sociologist and/or biologist. masterbation is humanity's 'safety valve', without it we'd all go mad from sexual frustration and end up killing each other; if certain idiots wish to live in such a 'time bomb' society then could they please do so somewhere else! We don't need any more rapist on the streets!
To everyone else I say:
MASTERBATERS OF THE WORLD UNITE! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE BUT YOUR SPERM!
MASTERBATERS!
THE CORPORATE WORLD SUPPORTS YOUR RIGHT TO MASTERBATE:
NIKE: JUST DO IT!
SAFEWAY: LIGHTNING THE LOAD!
MCDONALDS: I'M LOVIN IT!
[;)]
Douglas
Hehehehe..another funny one.[:D]
Just for the record... I have no problem with the subject in its self, but when you got people talking about when, where and why...that is just too much..[:P] It could be just me, but when people speak or I read something that is being described, I always get a visual..[:O] And those are just some visuals I could do without. [^]
Nay
lol nay
lmao gandalf
lmfao!!! aninfinity (ask nay what twinkie cream is. shell be happy to explain it to ya. Right nay? lol)
upstream, I havent read any ap books.... i just told the guy to whack off be4 goin to sleep and it worked. Thats all I know. lol
This is to all the ladies in da house[}:)]:
Since we are made in a way that we don't really "loose" anything during masturbation, except maybe for energy...but..hmm..on the other hand I usually get an energy boost rather than the feeling of being drained afterwards...can we use masturbation as a method of raising our energy? I often work on making the sexual energy go somewhere higher in my body, usually my head..and it feels very different than just leaving the energy in the lower regions of your body.
I can't find my Tisha Abelar book (Carlos Castaneda's "student")...
Apart from the wonderful "recapitulation" exercise (in order to un-hook yourself from the sexual energy of your past partners) I think she had some interesting views on sexual energy raising or modyfying it into something more spiritual.
Any ideas?
Sorry Nay, but it was so Nayish. I can't believe that, EOL007, you make my post with the hairy egg disappear! I forget the URL so I have to upload the picture.
I've got an interesting idea couple of months before. We are told, we are having three energy storage centers and they corresponds with body cavities of the scull, the thorax and the pelvis. Energy saving sexual practices are supposed to transmuting energy between the pelvis and the scull by raising it through the central channel and chakras.
My hypothesis is that the most important biological aspects of the storage centers are same with the three main neurotransmitter pools: acetylkoline, noredraniline & serotonin. If this is true, science is your gimp now, Hannah.
I wouldnt be surprised if someone told me that one masturbation (I mean orgasm not ejaculation) is equivalent with one astral projection or a similar awkward ratio. In fact, masturbation deplete the brain's acethylcoline that required for building up the sufficient REM-force for SOREM. Also, serotonin pool would decrease by ejaculating (not orgasm) so the day-night alteration of awareness (daily alertness and ability for getting deep sleep) become irregular. As a result of serotonin depletion, death of every spiritual practice, depression would fall upon the practicioner.
Ability to regain awareness in sleep paralysis is associated with the middle storage center and not affected directly, I think. It is known that noradrenaline containing neurons in the locus coeruleus fire most frequently during waking, less during deep sleep, and are inactive during and before REM-sleep, but not much more. Irrational fears, sensed presence, rapid heartbeats are part of the effect that noradrenalin have on the brain (limbic system and symphatetic activation).
I might would further explore this possibilities by masturbating a lot and feeding back the results into the forum, hehe.
I've find that masturbation is a reliable way for to settle my physical body and have success in pulling the rope at least in hte first stages of dropping brainwaves to alpha state. I reachs, too, something like a perspective sensation (seed of "mind split effect"..?). Sensation wich I assumes as indicative of detachment but I try to ignore it, for don't to lost the thread of splitting process. Anyone have similar experiencies..?
Very interesting... There are new forists and I want to know its opinions
Then, I'll pump up this forum...
ASLEGNAT
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!1!!1!11
*takes deep breath*
BWAHahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!1!1111!!!!!!
im going to experiment on this subject... :shock: :lol:
Why doesn't this topic die? It returns intermittently every six months....
look at the post dates!
LOL..I'm just now seeing the "nayish" comment from upstream :D ..that was a good one, albeit a bit old for me to be now just seeing it. :oops:
A great example on how posts get over looked.
Actually StillWater, it used to come up more often than that..lol. Funny to see it again though, thanks.
EDIT: sorry SW, I see that it was aslegnat that brought it up.. ;)
Nay
Hmmm... I don't know if it helps with astral projection, but I suppose if you don't use porn it's good visualizing practice...
:shock: :o :D :lol:
Major Tom,
I always wear the funny hat...:) nothing wrong with that heheh..
Anyways, I never thought about masturbation or intercourse prior to before projecting. This could possibly tame and curve the desire when the experience is in flight.
Tvos
god, i hope this masturbation post doesn't turn into a sticky.. that will just be akward... haha get it sticky!!! :shock:
What a good idea, Sn0wBl!nd..!
MajorTom,
When you think about it if someone runs a search on porn, masturbation it might lead them to the Astral Pulse and get them involved vs. using the net for a cheap thrill.
Tvos
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Hehehehe..another funny one.[:D]
Just for the record... I have no problem with the subject in its self, but when you got people talking about when, where and why...that is just too much..[:P] It could be just me, but when people speak or I read something that is being described, I always get a visual..[:O] And those are just some visuals I could do without. [^]
Nay
Well, Nay, allow us to know your opinion about this thematics. Of sure, you has heard about something known as Tantra Yoga. Obviously, arising question is: "
Has masturbation anything to do in Tantra Yoga concerns?"
Another question is: "
Masturbation is well know done its body relaxing properties... but, about effects on energetical profile, you advices some general guidelines in order to diminish or to enhance some undesirable or desirable energy related effects?"
ASLEGNAT
LOL!! Once again, I'm pulled out of the bunch, just to be pikced on...Waaaaaaaaaa..sniff, sniff.
My opinion on the never dying Masterbation topic is...Ya'll just want to talk about sex! And I thought that my post that you quoted explains how I feel about it..what was so confusing about that?
Oh and no I don't know anything about Tantra Yoga.. if that is just another way of talking about sex, then eh.....
Nay
lol i'll bet there are a lot of forums that you guys can join that talks about this subject and doesnt have to be here lol.
ah but not to get on ur bad sides.. as we've seen from Nay if you do that, you seem to be pulled into many arguments...
do whatcha like :)
2nd day on the forums, and of course I'm drawn to the masturbation page... :lol:
In all 11 pages, I saw some very old links, but nothing written here on how one can keep the energy from "leaking" out when orgasm occurs, so I'll say what I've gleaned from a few books on tantric sex and various other places.
Apparently, when you orgasm, energy shoots up the chakras, going right out the crown--unless you stop it. Supposedly, if you put your hand on your crown chakra (top of your head) during orgasm, it will bounce the energy back into your body. I have tried this (on the few occasions that I could remember!), and I did feel a tingling of energy, and did not feel tired at all afterwards. This is supposed to work for men too, but I've never gotten any guy to try it, so I am not sure. Maybe I'll get the chance soon!
During intercourse in Tantric sex, some practitioners are taught to imagine that energy is like a magical sparkling fluid that flows through the chakras of both partners. The couple breathes alternately: man in, woman out; woman in, man out. They are taught to visualize that this energetic fluid goes up the man's main chakras when he breathes in, and down his chakras through the root chakra up through the woman's chakras when she breathes in. I can't remember what is supposed to happen during orgasm in this particular book, but it involves maintaining the energy that is built up during sex, instead of letting it dissapate. I'll have to look up their recommendations for solo practice as well; I don't remember them off the top of my head. But I'm sure they have some method for keeping the energy.
I have also read in a different book on sex magick that you can consciously direct the flow of energy during orgasm--instead of it rushing upwards and out of the crown, you can bend it forwards at about the throat chakra and direct it in a loop over or through your head, and back in at the back of the throat chakra. This way you just create a heightened energy loop. I wasn't able to remember this one at the right time before I forgot half the instructions; I was browsing in a bookstore and didn't purchase the book--so please don't try it from these instructions, because they are incomplete and I may have gotten the specific chakras wrong. :confused:
I hope this adds a bit more to the discussion!
Quote from: beavisMasturbation makes you tired.
NO. IT DOES NOT.
it makes my arm tired
:locolaugh: I was waiting for the punch line.
thesickmoon: It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT." With, I'm still awake. :woot:
Nay :wink:
My view is this.
We are spiritual beings incarnated into animal bodies. As we investigate spiritual matters, as we meditate and develop our energy bodies, we strive to break free from the animal instincts and urges that tempt us on a daily basis.
At the root of our very being is sexuality. Sexual energy is the most potent and creative force in the universe. Despite the humour in this thread, sex/masturbation/orgasm is a very important topic.
I believe sex in this day and age takes on two forms. One is dark and animalistic: Lust. The other is pure and spiritual, born out of love between a man and a women.
Nowadays, Lust is everywhere. It is plastered on posters and advertisements, it is along the top rack in any news agent, and it is all over the internet in the form of pornography. There are all sorts of perversions and fetishes. There is rape, there is paedophilia, there is homosexuality. In my opinion these are all dark, they are all simply animalistic perversions. And what is the result of all this? It it now more common for a marriage to break down. Adultery is at a record high. The family unit is breaking down.
When you get sexual thoughts and the urge to masturbate, this is Lust. Don't kid yourself. What do you think about when you masturbate? You think of an attractive women/man. You imagine yourself having sex with them. Some people use pornography to help with this. This is Lust. And when we masturbate, we are feeding it - just like feeding gluttony by eating. We are slaves to our animal instincts - anybody that tries to abstain for even a week will realise this. I know this probably seems extreme, but let go of any beliefs you already hold, and take a step back. As you pump away with your wrist/arm in front of pornography or in bed, does this seem especially spiritual or pure to you? Or does it look like an animal feeding its urges?
OK the scientists say it reduces your chances of developing prostate cancer, but in my oppinion this is just a statistic.
I believe cancer is the symptom of severe spiritual/psychological problems, something you have buried deep within your mind that manifests as this destructive disease. I don't think anybody can develop prostate cancer simply from not masturbating/having sex.
As I said before, the sexual force is extremely powerful - and it must go somewhere. If you don't masturbate, you have to do something else with the energy: you must transmute. We have all heard of the Priests molesting the choir boys - and jokes aside, this actually happens. It happens because the Priests don't do anything with the sexual energy inside them, and it manifests itself negatively.
So what can you do? Well, the only technique I've used to raise and cultivate this energy is a breathing exercise (pranayama), called Ham Sah:
Sit/lie down in a relaxed position, like you would with any energy work.
Take a long deep IN breath, and internally pronounce a long "Haaaaaaaaaam", whilst visualising energy rising from the sexual center up the spine and to your head.
On the out-breath, you pronounce out loud a relaxed and pleasant "Sssaaaaaaaaaah" whilst visualising this energy flowing from your head down to your heart chakra.
That's about it, pretty simple and easy to do. It's quite similar to one of Robert's full body energy circuits. He also instructs one to raise energy up the spine to the head then down into the heart or subnavel.
Personally, I can certainly notice an improvement in my levels of awareness and ability to meditate when I have abstained for some period of time, whilst doing this transmutation exercise. My thoughts are clearer, and I generally feel much more balanced (mentally and energy-wise).
Of course you are still going to get attacks of lustful thoughts, but if you resist them and medidate on them you see that they are just that - Lust! The Ham Sah exercise will help relieve these urges.
OK, I'm tired now!
Let the flaming begin, hehe.
Quote from: Nay:locolaugh: I was waiting for the punch line.
thesickmoon: It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT." With, I'm still awake. :woot:
Nay :wink:
It wasn't a joke. It's like this: I wanna go to sleep, right? But then I'll start thinking about Jan Crouch or some other televangelistical hottie, and then BANG! I've gotta masturbate. After I'm done, I'm wide awake regardless of how tired I may have been before. It's no good. I hate it.
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Take a long deep IN breath, and internally pronounce a long "Haaaaaaaaaam", whilst visualising energy rising from the sexual center up the spine and to your head.
Sorry, can't do it. Sounds too much like "Han," as in Han Solo. And I can't masturbate to that.
Quote from: thesickmoonQuote from: Nay:locolaugh: I was waiting for the punch line.
thesickmoon: It would have been even funnier had you added to your, "NO. IT DOES NOT." With, I'm still awake. :woot:
Nay :wink:
It wasn't a joke. It's like this: I wanna go to sleep, right? But then I'll start thinking about Jan Crouch or some other televangelistical hottie, and then BANG! I've gotta masturbate. After I'm done, I'm wide awake regardless of how tired I may have been before. It's no good. I hate it.
Well, mine was a joke. :grin:
I still say ya'll just want to talk about it because you get some kind of thrill by talking about it on a public forum. Now that wasn't a joke. :wink:
Nay
i'm sure i'll end up sorry for not reading this entire post (first), but adding some cents just the same.
one thing i find bizarre is how westerners read a few books, threads, etc and feel justified to give advice when it comes to something as deeply mysterious as tantric sex. i'm not attacking anyone here, but you can't just put your hand on your head when you climax and think that's gonna accomplish anything.
the energy is made to be released
it can be stored & utilized
and folk who 'really' practice tantric sex don't masturbate.
the point is "not" to climax at all. anyway...the point i wanted to make was that it's a 'complete' way of living that involves many practices. you can't suck down sodas, eat garbage, zone out in front of the tv, drink and party and all that jazz and ever obtain total control over your chi. has everything to do with purification of your body & soul, but i feel that's self-explanatory.
as for masturbation being a lustful sin, or some animistic perversion. pretty much true for the most part...but there's nothing stopping anyone from 'making love' to their 'self'. in this...it's not the actual act, but more & more what twisted, degrading things turn people on.
i think it has a lot to do with complacency, apathy, laziness & dependence...that people arent' working hard enough, and not getting a pure sense of 'satisfaction' from their everyday function/performance. also in relation to caged animals that when bored begin obsessively grooming, pacing, masturbating, etc.
bored animals become habitually deviant in their behavior.
not sure my comments had anything to do this thread!?!
but what the hell.
soul
releasing sexual enery regualary is important so I don't waste my lucid dreams on ****ing every 2nd dream figure, but rather have the concentration to play mindgames with them like "who are you, wtf are u doing in my dream? know where my soul hides?" also, in sleep paralysis i won't be visited by succubi. not that there would be something bad about beeing layed by them, but it's a waste of time, spiritually.
really? masturbation makes you awake. It ususally knocks me right out after I'm done. I do it to relax and get in the right tiredness state before Projecting as well.
Believe me that once you reach a higher state of conscience, you will not want to masturbate anymore.
It is like when the baby grows up, he does not need his Mother's breast anymore. But it all takes time
LOL!! I'll stay at my level thank-you. :peace:
Nay
Quote from: NayLOL!! I'll stay at my level thank-you. :peace:
Nay
That clearly shows how attached you are to the material... But whether you want it or not, the day will come when you will have to get over it as an obligation. Cause we have a goal, and that goal cannot be modified, not even by God himself.
I wouldn't say that was material. Why in the world would I need to get over it? And what is the goal again?
I'm sure God doesn't mind people masturbating or he wouldn't have given us the ability to do it. :grin:
So, whats your beef about masturbation? You don't practice self love so no one else should? I just love it when people preach about such things.
Oh...a joke is trying to come forward in my memory and I can't quite grasp it. Perhaps you've heard about it. Something about men in Hell masturbating..grrr, wish I could remember that old joke, it's pretty funny. :demon:
Nay
This is the best thread, EVAR!
Why does masturbation have to be a spiritual experience? Why cant people just masterbate cause they are horney? And you release energy when doing pretty much everything. I think masturbation is being put on a pedistal here.
Quote from: Nay
So, whats your beef about masturbation?
Nay
BEE ah say BEEF! MASTAHBASHUN! I git ah say I git it, boy! Miss ah say missed it tha fust time-- went right ovah mah head but then aftah I read ah say aftuh I read it one mo time, I say haw haw haw yo funny!
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Quote from: Wronski FeintWhy does masturbation have to be a spiritual experience? Why cant people just masterbate cause they are horney?
J'agree. Beautiful...just beautiful. :grin:
Sarah
Quote from: SelskiQuote from: Wronski FeintWhy does masturbation have to be a spiritual experience? Why cant people just masterbate cause they are horney?
J'agree. Beautiful...just beautiful. :grin:
Sarah
Hehehe..I agree too. Here's an old saying, "If masturbation causes you to go blind can't I just do it until I need glasses?" (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/aktion/action-smiley-010.gif)
Nay
Quote from: Wronski Feint... And you release energy when doing pretty much everything. I think masturbation is being put on a pedistal here.
Good point Wronski!
Worrying about whether or not masturbation releases to much energy
wastes far more energy than masturbation ever will!
jazket,
We live in the physical. Our soul's chose to be in this realm. Denying the material is not only missing the point of this existance, it can be just as harmful as denying the spirit. We are beings of four parts - physical mental, emotional and spiritual. Acknowledgement of all four are required for balance and progress.
I've got a joke for you Nay, that I think applies well here:
Many years ago an acolyte joins a new monastery and is being shown around by the Head Priest. The head priest shows the new acolyte the main function of this monastery - to make new copies of the Word of God.
In a large room dozens of priests dutifully copy out these precious words.
The young acolyte notices that the priests are all making copies of the last lot of copies made. He asks the Head Priest, "Father, I notice that all the new copies of the Holy Word are being made from the last copy. They are copies of copies. Is that wise? What if mistakes have been made?"
the Head Priest replies, "never fear my son. Every priest here works to the highest of standards. They do not make mistakes. Besides, the original texts are far too old and valuable to be used every day for copying." The young acolyte accepts this answer and walks on.
Several days pass and the acolyte looks everywhere for the Head Priest. When told he is down in the archives cellar, the acolyte goes down to find the Head Priest standing moaning, banging his head against the wall, with leaves of ancient manuscript scattered about him.
"What's wrong Father?" the young man asks.
"I thought about what you said the other day my son, so to ease my mind, I came down here to compare our latest copy with the originals."
"And what did you find to cause this grief Father?" Asked the Acolyte.
Sobbing, the Head Priest answered, "...mixed the
i and the
e....(sob) and missed the
r... (sob)...
...the word is '
CELEBRATE'!!"
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James.
I suspect that the hand on the head method has more to with focusing one's intent on not releasing the energy than the actual physical hand as a barrier.
My comments on self-pleasuring and Tantra are all from Tantric Sex: Making Love Last, by Cassandra Lorius, who apparently practices Tantric techniques that she learned from Skydancing UK. The book contains tons of testimonials from current students. It seems that there are definitely some who practice some established form of Tantra who do practice masturbation. In this book, the emphasis is taken off of orgasm as a goal of sexual intercourse, it is not expressly forbidden. It is simply one option among many, as long as the focus is placed on becoming aware of the energy exchange and seeing your partner as an incarnation of the Divine.
This book is filled with wonderful breathing exercises and meditations for solo and couples practice.
Sexual intercourse between people can be base, lustful, and utterly without spirituality or higher awareness, and it can be a beautiful expression of love. It all depends on the mental focus, and I see masturbation as the same deal. Sometimes it's purely lust and purely physical, and sometimes you are truly appreciating and loving your body and seeing yourself as an Incarnation of the Divine.
It's all a choice. Whether or not you choose to have sex or masturbate or transmute all of your sexual energy...we are the only ones who can truly know what's right for us at any given stage of our lives. I personally believe that we are all headed for Oneness with All...so does that mean no sex, or that the One will have to masturbate Itself? Will we all just meld into one big happy light, or will that simply mean that we all remember where we came from and remain fully connected while in our bodies? If we're not using any of our bodily organs, what's the point of retaining a human form?
Hahahahahaha!!! :cheerleader2:
Good one, James. :grin:
Nay
I just read many bad concepts that should not be called "Spiritual" in this thread. After all this part is called "Spiritual Evolution!" You should change its name to "Material Prisons"
It wasn't your spirits writing when you posted all this comments I just saw... It was your Penis. :roll:
I would quote you all to clarify your comments, but I prefer to keep my mouth shut, because I know I easily irritate people, mostly Men in this phase of learning the things from the Spirit, because they are creating an ego even bigger than what it was before they got to know about all this. And they have no idea of this yet! Believe me that whoever speaks for himself, its getting glory for himself as well, and God will judge him for that in times of rebirth; but I who speak, don't do it for my own glory, as my glory comes from my Father who created me.
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We are beings of four parts - physical mental, emotional and spiritual. Acknowledgment of all four are required for balance and progress.
I say, Many lives you need to understand the beginning of these concepts.
Quote from: JazketI just read many bad concepts that should not be called "Spiritual" in this thread. After all this part is called "Spiritual Evolution!" You should change its name to "Material Prisons"
Absurd, boy! What works for others might not work for you. Material prisons BAH!
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It wasn't your spirits writing when you posted all this comments I just saw... It was your Penis. :roll:
I wish I could teach my penis to do tricks like that. Then I could make millions and become more popular than Ron Jeremy and Peter North combined.
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I would quote you all to clarify your comments, but I prefer to keep my mouth shut,
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because I know I easily irritate people, mostly Men
Are you Woman?
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in this phase of learning the things from the Spirit, because they are creating an ego even bigger than what it was before they got to know about all this.
If I could make my penis write with a pen or type on a keyboard, it would be a helluva lot bigger than my ego. I'd even use it to slap my ego around a bit before going to bed. Knowerrimean?
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And they have no idea of this yet! Believe me that whoever speaks for himself, its getting glory for himself as well, and God will judge him for that in times of rebirth;
Which God? And while we're at it, what are gods, anyway? Are they even trustworthy? Do you know where they came from? What if they take great pleasure in making our lives miserable by imposing commandments that go against our very nature? Do not covet thy neighbor's butt? Well, frak! What if my neighbor's got an butt like Jennifer Lopez?
Now, I hear JL's got a great butt, but she's not my type. I like the Mary Tyler Moore 1962 type, you know? Boy, she was hot back then. Except I think my GF is better looking, and she *loves* masturbation. I like that about her. She likes do do it before she goes on those journeys, you know? Journeying is something I'd like to try, but I can't even meditate properly, so no journeying or AP for me. Never could do it, but I'm not giving up on it.
I guess whoever's in charge won't let me in 'cause they're afraid I'll start ruining timelines, or something. Cause I wanna go back to the late 70s / early 80's to see some old Iron Maiden shows with Di'Anno and Stratton, or go see some Sugarcubes gigs in late 80s Iceland. Maybe they're afraid I'll take Stratton's place on guitar instead of Adrian Smith. Oy maybe they're afraid I'd go and have a peek at Mary Tyler Moore 1962 in her dressing room. Who knows? The wrong people are always in charge, anyway.
Anyway, my point is masturbation's not the reason I can't seem to journey or AP since my GF does it all the time and journeys just fine.
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but I who speak, don't do it for my own glory, as my glory comes from my Father who created me.
I've heard that before, but can't place from where. Refresh!
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We are beings of four parts - physical mental, emotional and spiritual. Acknowledgment of all four are required for balance and progress.
HEY! That beats the Christian God, who's only three parts in one. Whee hee!
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I say, Many lives you need to understand the beginning of these concepts.
SAY! Did you know Jessica Simpson said "damn" in a song once? And it was a hit song, too. But it was kinda close to the end of the track, and that's when the moron DJs start talking about traffic or telling stupid jokes written by stupid people with stupid jobs or whatever, so maybe no one ever noticed it.
NP: Joan Jett's version of "Do You Wanna Touch Me" mmmmmmmmmmmm yeah
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Just stumbled over this thread..........it FREAKED me out.....(.in a good way dudes). You mean to tell me that its possibly to do it alone??????????
Nay tell me this is not a joke. Too good to be true.
RG MS
Thesickmoon,
:rotfl:
You're last couple of posts have made this entire thread a whole lot more readable!
Love your style! Keep up the good work.
:peace:
Quote from: MustardseedJust stumbled over this thread..........it FREAKED me out.....(.in a good way dudes). You mean to tell me that its possibly to do it alone??????????
Nay tell me this is not a joke. Too good to be true.
RG MS
LOL!!!
Don't tell me MS, you'd wished you'd worked this one out 13 kids ago right??
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OK here ........James I know you are on the level...........but please don't kid me............what exactly does this masturbate thing mean.......could it be that........NO No NO I cant believe it............shriekkkkk. tell me I am dreaming
Quote from: James SThesickmoon,
:rotfl:
You're last couple of posts have made this entire thread a whole lot more readable!
Love your style! Keep up the good work.
:peace:
Thanks very much! I'll try to keep it up.
strange that it doesn't seem possible to have an intellectual discussion about masturbation?!? guess it's the mix of maturity levels'!?
there's a lot of levels to self-gratification. the joke of "why does a dog lick his balls?...bcuz he can!" comes to mind. seems to be the major point that most of you are pushing (and that's fine)...although some dogs become obsessed with the habit...and that's where my point comes into play.
so everything one does 'releases energy'...sure, great. simple & straight forward, but another aspect of this discussion was looking in the area of creating a drain on chi, tantric practices, etc. (not just in relation to masturbation, but intercourse as well). once again (for me) it goes back to abstinence & self-disciplines. i wonder in my mind how long any of you have gone without sex or masturbation? like the fasting & breatharian threads... it doesn't cross into that realm of "necessary", but it elicits such dramatic response.
a lot of the discussions that i involve myself in, here @ AP always feel the same. drugs and there effect on the mind/astral...a lot of ridicule & insisting by people who are inexperienced with drugs. fasting threads where most of the replies are made by folks who have never fasted at all, or done the one or two day thing. and this thread...:roll:
just another interesting topic that could lead to something profound, but winds up being a joke...bcuz people can't deal-e-o, or think outside their own particular function.
of course there's nothing "wrong" with masturbation. that's what you'd tell your kids, hope to get across to women, etc..."get to know your body, experience it, explore". in that circle it's healthy and grounding. but there shouldn't be any faulting those that move outside that circle and seek a deeper understanding of things on a non-material level/where the necessities of many things are being questioned (food, sex, religion, science, politics, money, etc.) it should never be viewed as a personal attack or threat to anyones belief systems...we're merely people that have an interest in moving & not getting stuck.
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I went to a lot of trouble to read this entire thread to make sure I was contributing something new, and got very little response to my comments.
I'm assuming now that this is more of a joke thread.
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I went to a lot of trouble to read this entire thread to make sure I was contributing something new, and got very little response to my comments.
I'm assuming now that this is more of a joke thread.
Allright allright ALLRIGHT! I hate being serious, but I went and read your earlier replies to this thread. I remember skipping over them the first time because there were paragraphs in them.
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2nd day on the forums, and of course I'm drawn to the masturbation page... :lol:
In all 11 pages, I saw some very old links, but nothing written here on how one can keep the energy from "leaking" out when orgasm occurs, so I'll say what I've gleaned from a few books on tantric sex and various other places.
Apparently, when you orgasm, energy shoots up the chakras, going right out the crown--unless you stop it. Supposedly, if you put your hand on your crown chakra (top of your head) during orgasm, it will bounce the energy back into your body. I have tried this (on the few occasions that I could remember!), and I did feel a tingling of energy, and did not feel tired at all afterwards. This is supposed to work for men too, but I've never gotten any guy to try it, so I am not sure. Maybe I'll get the chance soon!
I've heard this before, but I can't place where. I think my GF told me about it once, but she may have done so by using more than three sentences on me. She ought to know better than that by know. But anyway, I think she's actually done it before journeying. If I remember correctly, it works well for her, and there is no energy drain or anything like that. Unless it went undetected or something, but I'm just paranoid that way.
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During intercourse in Tantric sex, some practitioners are taught to imagine that energy is like a magical sparkling fluid that flows through the chakras of both partners. The couple breathes alternately: man in, woman out; woman in, man out. They are taught to visualize that this energetic fluid goes up the man's main chakras when he breathes in, and down his chakras through the root chakra up through the woman's chakras when she breathes in. I can't remember what is supposed to happen during orgasm in this particular book, but it involves maintaining the energy that is built up during sex, instead of letting it dissapate. I'll have to look up their recommendations for solo practice as well; I don't remember them off the top of my head. But I'm sure they have some method for keeping the energy.
There you go with those paragraphs again.
This is something I'd like to try with my GF. The only trouble is I was raised to think sex is dirty, and I have a hard time overcoming that. Thankfully, she wasn't raised that way, so she's not afraid to get freaky when it comes down to it. I love that about her. But anyway, I'll ask her to respond to this thread so y'all can compare notes. If you want.
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I have also read in a different book on sex magick that you can consciously direct the flow of energy during orgasm--instead of it rushing upwards and out of the crown, you can bend it forwards at about the throat chakra and direct it in a loop over or through your head, and back in at the back of the throat chakra. This way you just create a heightened energy loop. I wasn't able to remember this one at the right time before I forgot half the instructions; I was browsing in a bookstore and didn't purchase the book--so please don't try it from these instructions, because they are incomplete and I may have gotten the specific chakras wrong. :confused:
What was the name of the book? If you mentioned it, I missed it.
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I hope this adds a bit more to the discussion!
I hope so, too.
If you are interested in genuine white tantric sex, get "The Perfect Matrimony" by Samael Aun Weor.
Thanks! Are there different types of tantric sex? I ask since you mentioned white tantric sex.
*grins @ thesickmoon and tries to avoid more than 2 sentences.*
Thank you!
Yes, I would like to compare notes with your girlfriend.
I will look for the book on directing sexual energy sometime this week. I don't own it, so I can't tell you off the top of my head.
Wells, I am interested in 'genuine white tantric sex' as well. Do you have experience with it, or do you just know of it through this book?
Quote from: JazketBelieve me that whoever speaks for himself, its getting glory for himself as well, and God will judge him for that in times of rebirth; but I who speak, don't do it for my own glory, as my glory comes from my Father who created me.
So i cant fornicate or masturbate, then why do I have a penis? I think god would rather me masturbate, than go have premarital sex, cause thats like a big no no right?
i've always been able to get my mind around the concept of GOD as a creator/source/unified field of intelligence, etc...but i've tried to hold that concept without having to personify it. i don't believe that god "wants" you do anything; in that light "he" becomes an authority/father figure, and we end up drawing on the only reference we have first-hand knowledge of...our parents, and then everything begins to slant towards the dysfunctional...imho.
when it comes down to it there are three (extreme) options
1) take advantage of your physical form while it's available and delight in all earthly pleasures.
2) make moves to surpass the physical, utilizing abstinence a symbolic gesture that you are focused on ascension of spirit.
3) or do nothing, but sit in limbo.
didn't really have a point with this post :roll:
soul
i concur souljah, i too see god as a parent more than a vengeful god, that cant wait to send me to hell for anything 'wrong' i may do. Feels good to agree.
finally :hippy3:
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when it comes down to it there are three (extreme) options
1) take advantage of your physical form while it's available and delight in all earthly pleasures.
2) make moves to surpass the physical, utilizing abstinence a symbolic gesture that you are focused on ascension of spirit.
3) or do nothing, but sit in limbo.
didn't really have a point with this post :roll:
soul
I actually liked that post quite a bit. I would add a compromise, that I believe is the point of Tantric sex and things like walking meditation:
4) use the physical as means to experience the spiritual. (partaking in physical pleasures while consciously acknowledging and giving thanks for Spirit's involvement in the creation of those pleasures; using a heightened awareness during every experience, etc.)
I think it's possible to simply delight in the physical without acknowledging the spiritual aspect, and it's also possible to be in limbo, unable to appreciate either purely physical or purely spiritual.
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Thank you!
Yes, I would like to compare notes with your girlfriend.
I will look for the book on directing sexual energy sometime this week. I don't own it, so I can't tell you off the top of my head.
Wells, I am interested in 'genuine white tantric sex' as well. Do you have experience with it, or do you just know of it through this book?
I spoke with her about it. She had no idea what I was talking about, but after bugging her about it for a while, I remembered what she had told me, which was this: one night while she was doing some kinda crazy assed energy work, she opened something called a Chakra. When she did, it gave her an orgasm so intense it made her eyes water.
I'm very jealous of this Chakra. I think I shall kick it's butt. Where do they live, and what do they look like? Do they wear hats?
Well, there are lots of chakras...what kind of energy work was it? Does she remember which chakras she opened?
Quote from: Wronski FeintQuote from: JazketBelieve me that whoever speaks for himself, its getting glory for himself as well, and God will judge him for that in times of rebirth; but I who speak, don't do it for my own glory, as my glory comes from my Father who created me.
So i cant fornicate or masturbate, then why do I have a penis? I think god would rather me masturbate, than go have premarital sex, cause that's like a big no no right?
The reason why you have a Penis, it's because its part of the Matter's scents. You have it because you had it while you were in an subconscient animal state. Its a reproductive organ, nothing else. But this is a question nobody ever asked, like you just did; in fact they spoke their mind because they got free will, but their ignorance is such that their matter blurries their intelligence. Cats have a penis, Dogs have it, birds have it, fishes do, and Dogs and Cats do not reach the Father who is in Heavens. Believe me that If you cannot understand the things from this earth, how do you spect to understand the things from heaven?
Remember to not confuse the laws created by the Human, with those created by our Endless Father.
QuoteCats have a penis, Dogs have it, birds have it, fishes do, and Dogs and Cats do not reach the Father who is in Heavens.
Even if you baptized your pet?
QuoteRemember to not confuse the laws created by the Human, with those created by our Endless Father.
I prefer Monroe's saying, "The greatest illusion is that mankind has limitations." But you're right about those laws, just not about which ones are created by the Human. I imagine if there's an Endless Father, He has no need for laws.
Here's another question: how much of an orgasm is energy body sensation? I have an inkling that it's probably a pretty high percent. Ever compare vibrations with an orgasm? For me, the vibrations were like a orgasm in my center gone supernova.
Quote from: JazketThe reason why you have a Penis, it's because its part of the Matter's scents. You have it because you had it while you were in an subconscient animal state. Its a reproductive organ, nothing else. But this is a question nobody ever asked, like you just did; in fact they spoke their mind because they got free will, but their ignorance is such that their matter blurries their intelligence. Cats have a penis, Dogs have it, birds have it, fishes do, and Dogs and Cats do not reach the Father who is in Heavens. Believe me that If you cannot understand the things from this earth, how do you spect to understand the things from heaven?
Remember to not confuse the laws created by the Human, with those created by our Endless Father.
Humans are no different from animals. Most christians beleive that we are somehow above animals and that we are some kind of privaleged beings and that only we deserves god's grace. Humans ARE animals, we are beings of this earth, not of heaven. Christians' ignorance to certain truths, which they think contradict the bible, is so much that it blurs their vision, and shuts their eyes. I have a penis because i was born with one, like every other human, like every other animal. I was also born with urges that help keep human existance going. God gave us a penis, and masturbation is somthing humans found out. Its not like theres a verse in the bible about it. "Thou shast not lay thaye hand upon thayself"
I really dont see how masturbation is a sin, or somthing bad. Your not hurting anyone, your not worshping other gods, youre not lying, stealing, killing, cheating, having a bunch of sex or anything. And you may be so inclined to say 'well its impure thoughts' but I dont think so, a man is made to fantisize about a woman, if men didnt think about sex, we would be screwed(no pun intended). If you say mastrubation is a sin you might as well say eating desert is a sin, cause like reproducing, you eat to keep existing, but cake is an extra, just like masturbation.
Masturbation is not a sin; There are no sins, but those created by the own Man, just like there is no "Darkness", but only the absence of "Light".
All I know and Said, is that there will be the time in where we Will not need to Masturbate, whether we want it or not. Meanwhile, you can keep giving yourself pleasure :smile: It helps the Earth's Moon and its evolution ;)
I have to disagree with the masses here and say that when it comes to spirituality, there are no extremes. Within light there is darkness. Within the boundaries that civilization imposes are the primal instincts and desires, etc.
I just did a search on this... but what would you all consider "addicted"
or in other words.
nimfomaniac
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Oh, for frak's sake.
It is the medical term for people obsessed with sex/masturbation.