Meditating for something

[Eol007]

Hi,

Interesting thoughts! It depends whether to whom you are directing the question. Also is the question one of value? If on one hand you are simply posing the question to nothing in particular why should you expect an answer?

If on the other hand you sit for meditation with intent of posing the question to say: your higher self, guide, the Angels, God (in the highest divine positive form or unformed), a spiritual master – then one might expect an answer! The answer may however not come in the mental form of words, and may be given to you in many ways. For instance it may return as emotional feelings or physical sensations, image(s), a knowing and so on. Or even be returned at a later time following your practice - even days or weekes later, but you will know it when it comes!

It would be interesting to know how you actually go about your practice. The relaxed state you experienced seems good, but you may find that you need to raise your awareness to a slightly more alert state to be able to seek inner guidance to are asking for!

Hope this helps,


Stephen

[bluejay]

Thank you for the reply Stephen!

I usually just try to "contact" my guide (if I have one). By asking questions like "If I have a guide, could you send me confirmation". And sometimes I ask for maybe images or something, I do not expect clear words and am aware that they may send images or something else (I just read the thread where mayatnik is helping out with this exact thing).

I am not totally sure that i'm reaching the desired state for this? Since I have never actually accomplished getting out of body (but I am still trying once or twice a day for 40-50 minutes each, and shall not give up until I achieve it!). Should I just keep asking away and trying to focus on getting something?

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by bluejay

Thank you for the reply Stephen!
I usually just try to "contact" my guide (if I have one). By asking questions like "If I have a guide, could you send me confirmation". And sometimes I ask for maybe images or something, I do not expect clear words and am aware that they may send images or something else (I just read the thread where mayatnik is helping out with this exact thing).

I am not totally sure that i'm reaching the desired state for this? Since I have never actually accomplished getting out of body (but I am still trying once or twice a day for 40-50 minutes each, and shall not give up until I achieve it!). Should I just keep asking away and trying to focus on getting something?

Hi Bluejay,

I was not sure if you were sitting for meditation or attunement for communication, but on initial review of the above - it seems to me you may be at cross wits regarding your practice. The attunement rather than a meditation for spirit - be it your own or for higher guidance is generally different than typical practice for OBE experiences! Split them up and perhaps reduce the attunement exercise to 10 – 20mins maximum. I can sit comfortably for up to several hours, but I have been working on this for a number of years! But it is not really necessary to sit longer than say an hour!

Personally I am not familiar with Mayatnik's methods! See my thread for trance communication – however I would avoid using that technique unless you are already experienced with general attunement!

If it is any consolation the mediums of old would often practice for many years before seeking to exchange communication. They made great effort to attune with their own spirit 1st and work on what we would no describe as God realisation or consciousness 'in the silence'. However these are different times and many find there are ready and able to attune with spirit sooner than later. Although this is a double edged sword as people who move to channelling (in public) often burn out as they have not developed the spiritual, emotional and physical resilience needed to maintain themselves as clear channels!

If you want a basic technique for sitting in the power for spirit - I would be happy to post a simple and effective one for you!

Hope this helps,


Stephen[]

[bluejay]

I would definately like a technique to try out! Was thinking about extending my trance sessions from one a day to two, but now I guess I can make that one trance session and one attunement.

A few questions, Do you believe we all have spirit guides? And how do you test ones spirit guide to see if they really are guides? (what I am thinking about here is.. can you "attune" with negs? can they come in contact with you in this way?).

Anyway, Bring on the technique and if you have some do's and dont's they are also welcome. I appreciate the help Stephen  []

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by bluejay

I would definately like a technique to try out! Was thinking about extending my trance sessions from one a day to two, but now I guess I can make that one trance session and one attunement.

A few questions, Do you believe we all have spirit guides? And how do you test ones spirit guide to see if they really are guides? (what I am thinking about here is.. can you "attune" with negs? can they come in contact with you in this way?).

Anyway, Bring on the technique and if you have some do's and dont's they are also welcome. I appreciate the help Stephen  []

Hi Bluejay,

Appreciate that you initially posted the thread in one of the astral forums areas. I moved it to Spiritual Development forum, but appreciate it has cross-over into Communications section. Anyhow I will respond initially from a Spiritual Development point of view, and then move to attempting to relate this to communications.

Before seeking to explore communication with spirits and entities I feel it is important first and foremost  to resolve or work on the inner connection with ones own spirit. The seeking of a connection with ones higher aspect brings one in closer contact with the divine source of creation/great spirit/god.  

The seeking of this connection is a calling of heart to heart of the unifying principle of our true selves. We as divine aspects of the 'greater all' seek only to reunite with the oneness that we all find eventually to be our truest calling! In this life we can choose to play out whatever play we wish, but we are forged by lessons which bring understanding of greater truths and we move on a journey (of souls) ever onwards (and upwards) to the place of love unbounded – our real home amongst the stars!

It please me no end that you might wish to seek attunement with your guides. Whether guides, inspirers or helpers are separate entities from the self (that you identify with now) is another question, and one I like many continually seek to understand. Whether they appear as separate personalities from the self or not they can bring great benefit to you and through you to others, which can be only a good thing indeed!  

Concern about communication and the influence of negative entities is something widely discussed on this forum and I would prefer to hold fire discussing this concern in any depth on this thread. However it is something I have had some small dealing with! Yet when push comes to shove - I have always had help and protection when faced with such things. If you take the seeking of your connection with your true highest aspect, are mindful of your divine nature, and therefore constant connection with god (call it god the father, mother, Great Spirit or whatever positive creative aspect of divinity) - then you should not go far wrong when attuning with spirit inspirers and loved ones when ready. If tests come along the way to challenge you, then be comforted by the fact that you are coming from a place of highest good intention & love, and that you will find a means or assistance in overcoming negative influences if they have occasion to arise - do trust in that!

What is attunement with spirit? I had this explained to me some time ago as I also found it difficult to differentiate between a 'meditation' and 'attunement'. It seems that attunement is in great part what I have described in the above paragraph, whereas meditation (although not all types – and this is a subject of debate anyhow) might be explained in simple terms as going within! An attunement with spirit in simple terms again is expansive awareness way beyond the self. It does not mean that one goes out of body as per in OBE practice (although one may well do so), but one is still more usually still conscious of the body or connection with the body whilst at the same time connecting with spirit. On an individual basis with say an inspirer or loved one it might be as per the British Medium Betty Shine a mind to mind connection. Similarly if one were connection on a psychic level with another person (in body) then that would also be a mind to mind awareness of sorts. Although it is actually better described as more spirit to spirit as mind to mind might imply that psychics are mind reading when they attune with the clients for instance! Perhaps a better explanation is that they are more likely attuning with the auric aspect of the mind, body, spirit of an individual.

So to attuning with ones own spirit is simply recognising oneself as a holy being and opening oneself with the connection with god, but with loving respect for ones divine nature. It helps to be mindful of positive principles when choosing to start to seek god consciousness. Something like the '7' principles of spiritualism would be suitable, although personally I prefer not to envisage a patriarchal divinity. '7' principles of spiritualism: -  

The Fatherhood of God
The Brotherhood of Man
The Communion of Spirits and the Ministry of Angels
The Continuous Existence of the Human Soul
Personal Responsibility
Compensation and Retribution Hereafter for all the Good or Evil Deeds done on Earth
Eternal Progress Open to every Human Soul

Least I offend certain sensitivities - However I am not trying to espouse spiritualism here!

Or perhaps one might prefer a Yogic, Hermetic, Christian, Pagan or whatever 'positive' growth promoting creed as suits one's personal belief system. If for instance you are not really sure where you are at this time - you might find for instance Robert Bruce's Catch Basket article inspiring see: http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_44.htm

Early in his workshop last year in Wales he explained (in other words, and he can correct me if I have misquoted), that one should not necessarily believe anything he says concerning belief systems etc. But he did ask that we might consider the idea of 'breaking out of the box' i.e. be prepared to raise questions about consensus reality and perhaps (like himself) continually test and retest our belief systems-  when compared with our subjective perceptions of experiences and the nature of our own personal and greater realities etc.

So on to a little exercise on connecting with Great Spirit or God consciousness! I respect that you may not have the opportunity of the guidance of a teacher or tutor, but if possible consider taking a short course in this type of practice if at all possible. If not I hope that this short exercise may suffice!

As already said in other words approach this time (for you) with sincerity, with love in your heart for all that is good and true. Find a time where you will not be disturbed. If you already have a sacred space in your home then prepared it in such a way that you will feel comfortable sitting for a while.

Wear loose and comfortable Clothing and if posible sit on an upright chair. Say a prayer of protection (perhaps something like an Our Father or the Great Invocation), and make yourself comfortable. Sit upright with head in line with the body (but not stiff), and feet planted square in front of you (avoid crossed legs). Rest your arms on your lap or gently crossed (say palm in palm).

Take a few deep breaths and at the same time clear your mind of the day's issues. Remind yourself that this is your sacred time for attuning with your spirit (initially), and with your spiritual connection with the greater loving awareness. Allow your breathing (through the nose) to come to a natural rhythm, but maintain awareness on the gentle inflow and outflow of the air through the nostrils throughout the attunement. As you begin to relax more deeply bring your attention to the idea of your connection with greater consciousness of spirit and allow your awareness to expand. You can visualise this as growing beyond the confines of the room, building, location you are in. Continue to expand and seek and sense your being perhaps standing on top of the world – connected to it, but also connected with all that is or the loving aspect of the greater reality. At the same time try as much as posible not to allow distracting thoughts or questions to rise from the surface mind (as they may have a tendency to do). If this occurs simply repeat the mantra 'god' until your thoughts settle again. However, feel and sense the loving connection you have with all things and with all beings! When ready bring your mind more back to awareness of the breath - inflow & outflow, and begin to become conscious of the body again. Allow time to feel grounded. Slowly increase the depth of your breathing and gently open the eye lids and have a good stretch. You may wish to take a few moments to send thoughts of gratitude towards your spirit and to the grater spirit and close your attunement with a prayer and or perhaps request healing for ones in need as is your wont! Make notes of your experience if you wish for reference at a later date. Spend no more than say 30mins with this exercise, however even 10mins is sufficient! Daily practice is fine or every few days or as circumstances allow!

Kind thoughts,


Stephen

[mackenzie]

I seem to be a little confused.  I use meditation as a means of connecting to either my higher self or my guides.  While meditation is defined as going within, is that not another way of saying connecting with self/higher self?  would that not be the same as "attuning" to your higher self and when that happens, does that not automatically "attune" you to your guides or atleast put you half way there as your higher self is a higher vibration anyway?  Or have i learned something along the way that's gone a little quirky?

thanks.

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by mackenzie

I seem to be a little confused.  I use meditation as a means of connecting to either my higher self or my guides.  While meditation is defined as going within, is that not another way of saying connecting with self/higher self?  would that not be the same as "attuning" to your higher self and when that happens, does that not automatically "attune" you to your guides or atleast put you half way there as your higher self is a higher vibration anyway?  Or have i learned something along the way that's gone a little quirky?

thanks.

Hi Mackenzie,

Your comment is quite valid!

It was just that I was just using words to differentiate between contemplative forms of meditation, and a meditation which involves connection with spirit as described earlier - therefore the use of the word 'attunement' seems appropriate! If one wanted to connect with their guides, helpers, inspirers then one would simply ask that they make you aware of their presence by inviting them into your field of awareness. Of course you would ask for your 'own highest guide to draw close' etc. Rather than any old entity!

I also wanted to add emphasis in the importance of sitting for spirit generally to 'build' or 'sit in the power' of spirit as a separate state from having active communication with spirit! The sitting in the power type exercise is a bit like practicing in preparation for communication, as it is very useful in developing ones awareness or sensitivity. In circle or development groups something akin to this is often used near the start and or the end of a session. The medium tutor will attune with spirit at the same time and often observe how the students (sitting) are fairing. Later they would be able to validate their experiences by providing feedback as guidance. For this level of practice the tutor would monitor each student in turn in order to ensure that they had reached suitable states (altered) of awareness or trance. On a basic level this would include ensuring that each person was not sitting simply in a inner focused or at the other end of the spectrum in say in a deep trance state.

Does that help?


Stephen []

[mackenzie]

quote:It was just that I was just using words to differentiate between contemplative forms of meditation, and a meditation which involves connection with spirit as described earlier. If one wanted to connect with their guides, helpers, inspirers then one would simply ask that they make you aware of their presence by inviting them into your field of awareness. Of course you would ask for your 'own highest guide to draw close' etc. Rather than any old entity!

I also wanted to add emphasis in the importance of sitting for spirit generally to 'build' or 'sit in the power' of spirit as a separate state from having active communication with spirit!

Does that help?

Yup!  that clarifies things quite a bit.  Thanks!

[bluejay]

A tremendous post EOL007, thanks [^]

I just want to clarify that I have gotten it all straight. Basically just sit down, relax and try to expand your awareness. But then one question, How do I get in touch with my higher self or a spirit guide? Do they just come if I do this exercise? I suppose I will have to ask for them? Do you think you could go into more detail with this, or have I misunderstood? [)]

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by bluejay

A tremendous post EOL007, thanks [^]

I just want to clarify that I have gotten it all straight. Basically just sit down, relax and try to expand your awareness. But then one question, How do I get in touch with my higher self or a spirit guide?

Consider this - You are already intimately connected with your divine self and always have been! Think of it as a process of remembering...

quote:Do they just come if I do this exercise?

They are already there!

quote:I suppose I will have to ask for them?

Send a loving thought of acknowledgement with intent!

quote:Do you think you could go into more detail with this, or have I misunderstood? [)]

You have not misunderstood – just remember. Perhaps think back as far as you can go say for instance to your earliest childhood memory, or say imagine a parent or guardian holding your hand and looking into your eyes. In a sense the connection you have with you is the same and so much more. Or put it another way allow yourself to remember who and what you truly are, and think of it as a little visit home [].

Apologies for the cryptic answers [)]

Good luck and have lots of fun,


Stephen []

[bluejay]

Okay, I think I got it. Basically you just learn to listen? And if I focus my intent on listening for my higher self(or spirit guides) they will eventually send me a message of some sort when I am ready for it? When I am doing this awareness exercise, and expanding my awareness. Can I at this time pose a question of some sort to look for an answer or what do you suggest I do?

I'm sorry for all the questions but that's just the way I am, I want to know before I engage []. So should I ask something when I am expanding my awareness, and what if I don't get any answers or signs for say.. a few months? The defense rests your honor [8D]

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by bluejay

Okay, I think I got it. Basically you just learn to listen? And if I focus my intent on listening for my higher self(or spirit guides) they will eventually send me a message of some sort when I am ready for it? When I am doing this awareness exercise, and expanding my awareness. Can I at this time pose a question of some sort to look for an answer or what do you suggest I do?

I'm sorry for all the questions but that's just the way I am, I want to know before I engage []. So should I ask something when I am expanding my awareness, and what if I don't get any answers or signs for say.. a few months? The defense rests your honor [8D]

Hi,

Go for it Bluejay... []

Would love to hear how you get on!


Stephen []

[bluejay]

How do you go about when you want to meditate to ask some questions? I have tried the most logical way (for me) when I reach a state of relaxment and feel heavy with tingly sensations. I then ask questions and try to focus but no response ever comes, in any way. Am I doing something wrong or...? []