I have repeatedly watched his last video, "This Is It", and have studied the subtle ways he communicates and body language. In my opinion, he was one of the few most enlightened people on Earth. Do you agree?
Many people think enlightment has something to do with sitting in a church and meditating or reading things or doing some list of things and not doing others, but those are all side-effects of something much simpler, and whatever it is, Michael Jackson had it.
Mozart may have been a skosh closer;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y38pv4tqISw&feature=related
or this ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE7SbiKzDzE&NR=1&feature=fvwp
That is the final scene but the entire opera is well worth the effort to sit through.
It begins like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPwCCGogdBE
I defy you to find better!
:lol:
It's not about whose music is better. Its about the way Michael Jackson's mind works which caused the music and performances. You can tell how balanced his state of mind is, which is part of it, and the other parts are hard to explain. An enlightened person may play music or anything else. Many think that Sun Tzu, who is famous for his war strategies, was enlightened, so even the way one kills (or finds ways to avoid killing) can be a way you know someone is enlightened. It doesn't mean that if you're enlightened you would act like Michael Jackson or create music. He didn't care what anyone thought of him when he was performing because he knew he was doing it right, as if the audience being there had no effect at all, and that is an example of having a balanced state of mind. He also talked about improving the world, something I hear from very few people these days.
I'm not saying Mozart wasn't enlightened or a Buddha or any of that, but I have no way to know since only recordings of music are left.
This explains the "Church Of Michael Jackson", which I thought was a joke until I looked it up today. I don't worship anyone or anything, but I guess I'm a member now, among many other philosophies.
There's probably lots of near-Buddha's around. They just don't advertise it.
If you need to take general anesthetics to get to sleep I wouldnt put you in with the most enlightened people on the planet.
I'm not saying he wasnt a very spiritual person or anything but it seems like the guy must still have had some pretty big problems to get over. But it's not like I knew the guy or even watched the videos you mention so what do I know.
QuoteIt's not about whose music is better.
Right. That's not what my challenge was about. I meant that I doubt one could find better music to reflect the enlightened consciousness. I am serious. You can check out a "Magic Flute" video at the library with subtitles in your own language and see what I mean. (It is rumored that the Freemasons killed Mozart for breaking his Oath and revealing Temple Secrets :-o and his untimely death fits).
The Ingmar Bergman version is shortened so might be best for those new to opera.
QuoteIf you need to take general anesthetics to get to sleep I wouldn't put you in with the most enlightened people on the planet.
Exactly, and the plastic surgery, cosmetic work, etc. -- hardly a portrait of a "balanced" personality. But it is nice that so many people can look past his weirdness and just enjoy good music. His lyrics and sound were more uplifting than so much of the negative noise passed off as 'music' sometimes.
QuoteHe also talked about improving the world, something I hear from very few people these days.
And he did not just 'talk' about it but it appears that he actually took action that brought joy into few peoples troubled lives. So many people talk about improving the world but really do nothing. They just complain. And they pretend to be better people by forcing other people around them to fork over cash to pay for some bubble-headed project that really doesn't help much of anything and often makes things worse.
Quote from: beavis on July 02, 2011, 23:48:12
I have repeatedly watched his last video, "This Is It", and have studied the subtle ways he communicates and body language. In my opinion, he was one of the few most enlightened people on Earth. Do you agree?
Many people think enlightment has something to do with sitting in a church and meditating or reading things or doing some list of things and not doing others, but those are all side-effects of something much simpler, and whatever it is, Michael Jackson had it.
Michael Jackson...seriously? :-D
Nah...he was nowhere near it. He was physically enlightened because he was losing weight but that's it. He still had strong desires. He wanted to win the court case. He wanted the media to stop pestering him. He had DESIRES about a come back. He idolised himself as Jesus Christ. He was also very precise and forceful about the way his music, dance moves and videos should be expressed.
He even wrote lyrics as a come back to those who criticised and opposed him. He was rebellious and clearly a man-child who enjoyed being surrounded by children in his ideal place: Neverland - too much ego there.
And finally...he just loved children too much...
Too much attachment!
:-D
My humble opinion of this topic is sprinkled with a few beliefs. He had a difficult upbringing, as well as a difficult adulthood. Although he may have hurt himself with surgeries he always showed everyone around him nothing but love and respect. I've never heard of him having a bad attitude or yelling at someone he worked with. And in his last film "This Is It" it really did ring true that everything he did was for his fans and the world. Anyone that actually worked with him speaks nothing of love for the man, which has to say he gave them nothing but love .I have much respect for him and believe that any of the snags he may have hit in his life are nothing compared to all the good he has done. He was in the guinness book of world records for donating the most to charities. A very loving soul.
The topic to this thread is "Michael Jackson was close to being a Buddha".
I would have to disagree. He was agreat artist, but a "Buddha"? I think he was too attached to this world and too attached to his fame. I think he had his demons. A great entertainer, yes, a Buddha, no.
Hell no! :-D
no
I think the concept "to be a Buddha" is a bit artificial, and hard to define, and I doubt it could describe a person at every moment in their life from a certain point ( maybe that is why we have the "bodhisattva" idea?).
That said, I do think I can follow you where you are going Beavis. Through fleeting moments in his music, and his appearances, you can definitely find a distilled state of understanding and grace, if only for an ephemoral moment. It is also clear that he was a person in deep mental conflict (like most people), and that he felt at times unsure, or lost control. But yes, he was able to muster at discrete times a sublime and timeless shade, and this is what was concentrated into the music he made.
He was very much a human being deprived of the many things that we take for granted during our childhood. I think he never really got over that and throughout his life he did his best to keep the child archetypes in his mind alive. He even tried to look like a child by using plastic surgery to maintain his delicate features. There is also truth in what you say, Stillwater.
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CHAMONE, MICHAEL!!
Rest in peace, brother...
So I got an incomplete view of him. There's a lot of enlightenment there, but I guess not as much as I thought.
Not a buddha. That's not what I was thinking. Its something else I saw in Michael Jackson, still very much related to the metaphysical.
When I'm doing telekinesis (moving things with the mind) and other metaphysical things, I recognize a similar pattern between part of that and part of what Michael Jackson does, but its hard to describe. There is some overlap, but theres also much that does not overlap.
Look, he was off the wall, he was a thriller, he was bad, dangerous...and now he's history! Oh, by the way, he was clearly not invincible.
An ascended master, guiding the destiny of the spirituality of the planet? I have to demur.