I wrote this really quickly last night and posted it to an Astral Projection group on Facebook I'm a part of, it got really good reception... so I'm posting it here.
A note: It's *MY* truth, not *THE* truth.
QuoteThis isn't going to be a long post...
It's a really simple truth. I just wish more people would open their eyes and realize it.
I know this is going to sound like me beating a dead horse, but... here is my truth: There is no physical and there is no non-physical. There's just you having experiences.
Once you stop trying to separate physical from non-physical and begin to look at things *TOGETHER*, all the answers regarding your experiences become obvious... they become so clear. Everything becomes so... completely... clear!
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/08/14/my-simple-truth/
Yeah... absolutely... I think it's THE truth.
I read this earlier but wasn't logged on to reply. Wise words.
Lest not forget that it is easy to see from the perspective of somebody quite experienced... and difficult to fully grasp and use as a tool by somebody inexperienced.
It is very easy to look downhill... but very difficult to look up past it when you are at the bottom... no matter what people tell you is ahead.
Quote from: Bedeekin on August 15, 2012, 18:06:23
Lest not forget that it is easy to see from the perspective of somebody quite experienced... and difficult to fully grasp and use as a tool by somebody inexperienced.
I agree with this. But find that just for the sake of argument I like to put in my posts terms like the NPR and the Physical itself, just to help other people to understand what I am trying to explain at the time.
All this really comes down to is where your actual focus is. That becomes your true reality! :-)
Quote from: Lionheart on August 15, 2012, 18:36:51
I agree with this. But find that just for the sake of argument I like to put in my posts terms like the NPR and the Physical itself, just to help other people to understand what I am trying to explain at the time.
All this really comes down to is where your actual focus is. That becomes your true reality! :-)
Oh definitely! 100%!
Physical and Non-Physical are subsets of the whole, which are still very applicable when you're talking about one or the other.
Just like, as Tom points out, Newtonian physics is a subset of something else... yet is still very much applicable within the smaller scale.
Everything is just a derived subset from the next level up.
But understanding and seeing things from that "next level up" allows you to see everything in a more "whole" way.
I like the (w)holistic approach here a lot.
This usual dichotomy between PMR and NPMR is a very human-perspective-only thing. I remember that even Monroe wrote about it being not quite accurate. He met beings who could not relate to the word 'physical' and did not understand what it meant when he told them. They had no concept of it.
There are realities / universes / dimensions / planes with different rulesets each but what decides what we still attribute the label 'physical' to and what not?
Some realities are much more 'lighter' or 'less dense' and still people have bodies and live quasi-physical lives, as it seems. So the dichotomy itself is wrong indeed. From our perspective it might be still right since it is seen / experienced by us as 'our starting point' (in waking awareness, brain in betawaves state in a 'heavier' world of atoms and molecules) versus 'everything elseout there' (experienced and partly remembered by reaching altered states of consciousness). But it is not a good description from the perspective of the whole. And who says if there aren't even 'heavier' or 'denser' realities than ours out there?
What remains is indeed "conscious experience" of the realities and probably the usage of different 'vessels' entered and/or used for our consciousness to experience the reality (this includes bodies but also just points of light or awareness for me). The vessel, however, already is and remains part of the environment / reality - not of the consciousness itself, and will be left behind when we leave the reality for good (or maybe be left inactive when we leave temporarily?). Which is what many people overlook, imho.
Quote from: Xanth on August 15, 2012, 12:51:59
I wrote this really quickly last night and posted it to an Astral Projection group on Facebook I'm a part of, it got really good reception... so I'm posting it here.
A note: It's *MY* truth, not *THE* truth.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/08/14/my-simple-truth/
But how did you come across this truth, and how can others find it? I personally understand consciousness as a whole from a direct experience of it, though before that it was just theorized and I only
thought I understood. Experience of it is a whole different thing and is not that simple for most.
OK, but what's the point of having "physical" experiences? People often think that "physical reality" is some kind of kindergarten, where you can learn, grow or observe the effects of your own thoughts etc., but I don't think it's very functional, since there is a "delayed effect" to every act. Which is absent when you have "nonphysical" experiences. In my opinion that's a better kind of "training" than the previous "setting" since it's more intense. Or direct.
So why do most people born without this knowledge? Why are they aware mostly of "physical" experiences. From a physical viewpoint, measured in "absolute physical time", you perceive that you "spend" most of your time in this fleshy from and even if you have "nonphysical" experiences, you can easily take it for granted that they constitute only a minor part of your overall experiences. But I suppose this is not the case since when you are "dreaming", which is supposed to happen in REM periods of sleep, lasting only for minutes, you can have experiences which seem to last let's say for days, weeks etc. - measured in absolute time again.
I might have been incoherent, so here goes my question in nutshell: if there are no such divisions, why are our conscious minds filled mostly with "physical" experiences, why do we perceive that we exist most of the time in "physical reality" ?
Everyone's opinion is welcome :).
cheers
Quote from: rain_88 on August 20, 2012, 07:45:35... if there are no such divisions, why are our conscious minds filled mostly with "physical" experiences, why do we perceive that we exist most of the time in "physical reality" ?
If you mean memory then I'd say it is the default setting that you remember most of the experiences you make in the environment which your chosen 'vessel' (here: physical body) is in, too. So when in the physical you remember the physical experiences. E.g., when in dream state, I remember sometimes realising that I have been to places or situations before of which I had no memory when awake.
Parapsychologist Charles Tart dubbed this 'state specific memory' already many years ago:
Quote"State-specific memory is illustrated in the old folk advice that if you lose something while you're very drunk and can't find it the next day, one way to increase your chances of finding it is to get very drunk again. Recent laboratory research is now confirming the existence of such state-specific memory for alcohol intoxication (Godwin and Powell, 1969), and experiential reports suggest it exists for many other d-ASCs."
- Charles Tart
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6572493/Charles-Tart-Psi-Functioning-and-Altered-States
Thx, I will read it later :)!