Serenity

[robertk4you]

I think,that most of us,who meditate,see world in different view.This is because,our chakras are clean.Many people around the world,meditate everyday,not just to have this peace in our hearts and mind,but even to stop,crimes,killings,and war around the world.Thinking in positive way,and meditating everyday,will bring even more peace.This is natural thing.

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Naiad, could´ve been me writing that... iow, I know what you mean.

[daem0n]

yeah, but if you don't work sufficiently with your ego, meditation effects will be temporary
at this point i am able to perceive the world without negative emotions most of the time, but still have much work to do
if any of you heard about books The Power of Now (don't remember the author) and Inward Revolution by Storm Constantine and Deborah (don't remember, should first work on memory, then ego ) i recommend reading them, they cover each other in surprising way
personally i think people should work on their ego and energy body, then try oobe and other

[Naiad780]

How do you work on your ego, daem0n?

[daem0n]

with awareness, i know the patterns my mind likes and i observe him all the time, when i notice preconditioned responses and ways of thinking from the past i give him a spank []
seriously you turn part of your awareness into an observer, silent, not judging (oh my i, did it again, i never make it and such) and make him present as much time as you can, when your mind slips into gears you suddenly notice that what are you doing comes from emotions, requests of mind, struggling to make people see you as someone and so on and so on..., and when you notice this you're not compelled to do it anymore, becouse it doesn't make any sense and You know it, of course it takes practise
the problem is that ego is based not only on fear and fighting with the world as a way of identity maintance, but also never lives in the present moment, only recreates scenes from the past and hopes for the future
to experience oneself continuosly you have to be in the present, over which ego has no power (present meaning exact moment, not minute ago, or in a second), when you do it the world is always new
another aspect is labelling things and not giving them second thoughts, thus not really experiencing them
i don't recall anything more at the moment[|)], but clear examples are in the books i mentioned
ah, negation( not ignoring), beatiful way of NOT fighting
each quarrel is based on exchanging energy (basicly), when you don't take the first punch, there is no quarrel, no exchange, and the attacker has no target to fight, simply understand that the attack exist at the beginning only in the world of attacker, and he has his reasons to do it, you have nothing to do with it, let it pass through you (like invalidating boss trying to feel better after personal failure, and yes it is psychic vampirism, it is everywhere and you can aditionally shield against it)

[daem0n]

with awareness, i know the patterns my mind likes and i observe him all the time, when i notice preconditioned responses and ways of thinking from the past i give him a spank []
seriously you turn part of your awareness into an observer, silent, not judging (oh my i, did it again, i never make it and such) and make him present as much time as you can, when your mind slips into gears you suddenly notice that what are you doing comes from emotions, requests of mind, struggling to make people see you as someone and so on and so on..., and when you notice this you're not compelled to do it anymore, becouse it doesn't make any sense and You know it, of course it takes practise
the problem is that ego is based not only on fear and fighting with the world as a way of identity maintance, but also  it never lives in the present moment, only recreates scenes from the past and hopes for the future
to experience oneself continuosly you have to be in the present, over which ego has no power (present meaning exact moment, not minute ago, or in a second), when you do it the world is always new
another aspect is labelling things and not giving them second thoughts, thus not really experiencing them
i don't recall anything more at the moment[|)], but clear examples are in the books i mentioned
ah, negation( not ignoring), beatiful way of NOT fighting
each quarrel is based on exchanging energy (basicly), when you don't take the first punch, there is no quarrel, no exchange, and the attacker has no target to fight, simply understand that the attack exist at the beginning only in the world of attacker, and he has his reasons to do it, you have nothing to do with it, let it pass through you (like invalidating boss trying to feel better after personal failure, and yes it is psychic vampirism, it is everywhere and you can aditionally shield against it)

[Naiad780]

Thank you!  Sounds like I already work towards a lot of that, it takes practice and patience, though, doesn't it?  Even if you know that, your subconscious still tries to find ways to still do those harmful things

[Rastus]

It takes work.

I have been 'angry' once in the last 6 weeks( I don't think anyone can aprreciate how significant this is for me ), when I yelled at my 9 year old daughter.  I can only take so much "I'm bored, I have nothing to do, I want to go somewhere" along with not shutting the door and not eating whatever I cook.  I know it's a failing in me for not beign compasionate enough, but she is an old soul, and quite opinionated (never make a child via ritual hehehehehehe).

Even when all portents point to a great upheval, I remained calm.  The end result was well worth the stress, I didn't "worry" about the outcome.

I can find serenity in many places.  Some are harder than others (I never realized how noisey my neighborhood is).  The more serene I become, the more work I "need" to do on my house (it's metaphysically cluttered).  Actually, I have realised my wife and I need to move out towards the country, since there's not much serenity in my neighborhood....

[Naiad780]

The anger thing is interesting to me.  If I can just remember to look at my emotions with an unbiased and calm perspective, it resolves itself immediately.

The trick is actually remembering instead of reacting, though, heh.

[narfellus]

nipping anger in the bud is great. It takes practice to be self aware that "right now i am experiencing anger.  i choose not to because it hurts myself and others." Easier said than done!

Long walks in nature are very very therapeutic. Even better, meditating in nature!!!

[Naiad780]

quote:Originally posted by narfellus
Long walks in nature are very very therapeutic. Even better, meditating in nature!!!

Yeah, I just mentioned that in another post.  There is nothing like a walk or meditation in the mountains.  It's like a reset button.  It's humbling to be surrounded by such static things as mountains, who have been standing for millenia and certain aren't concerned about the latest thing your whining and stressing over.

[daem0n]

quote:
The more serene I become, the more work I "need" to do on my house (it's metaphysically cluttered).
what do you do?
i'm gradually shielding my flat (one room left []) against any negative actions, + for sweeping i visualise a black sphere going in anti-clockwise direction and sucking all negative energy, then it turns white, clockwise and i have energy source to use (someone posted this method here, but suggested exploding ball covering everything in positive enrgy, i find it a waste) works quite good and there is always good atmosphere (airfresher [8D])
anyone has  anything similiar/additional ??

[Rastus]

Reacting is a fleshie (does everyone know what I mean by fleshies?  physical human body) self defense mechanism:  Fight or Flight.  It's what kept you alive throughout evolution.  The ability to override the reflex marks an evolutionary point within a species.  Only by overriding it can a society develop.

To conciously choose to not run when you body is screaming Run!! Feet don't fail me now! may be considered by some to be a non-rational decision.  The same goes for fighing.

So what does this imply for serenity?  If you are calm and serene when all those around are fighting or running (insert favorite joke here), then perhaps you know something they don't?  Change the situation, change the reflex.  If I am more in tune with my surroundings, then I know there is no need to fight or run.  My body may twitch (just like breathing, I can conciously or unconciously breath), but my mind holds me firm.  My serenity supercedes fleshie reactions.

In essence, serenity is about being of the mind and not the flesh.  Knowing and understanding all around you, as opposed to how it looks or smells.  It is in fact a transition from flesh to spirit as way of "life".

Or am I just cranky from working too hard []

[daem0n]

i know what you mean
not until i met thugs in a friendly environment and got to know them i was scared s**t of them, and now i smile when i see some (i live in poor district,so i see them every day) becouse i know what they could do, why, where, when i why not to me []
now my previous reactions as i see them seem like "rob me" paper on my back [}:)]

[narfellus]

It all comes down to the metaphysical belief of the body (the fleshie!)being the more illusory of aspect of our Higher Self. It is a training ground for the Spirit. Learn to sublimate earthly desires can give one true insights into eternity. Ah, i'm still working on that one...

[daem0n]

and so are we, great [xx(]
now if you could be more specific ...

[Naiad780]

Sometimes I get to a state where I can experience my life without negative emotions tripping me up.  Usually this happens after walking in nature or meditating.  I feel very peaceful, and all the little things that would ordinarily annoy me simply wash by me, and I don't stress out over them.  I'm very happy to simply be and the world feels like a wonderful place no matter what happens.  It's like that's the "real" me and the stress, fear, and worry is a layer of dirt or something that often covers it up.

I wish I knew how to keep this going all the time.  "Trying" to be like that doesn't work.  When it happens, it's the most natural, effortless thing in the world.