Reincarnation - an unconventional viewpoint

[recoverer]

Hello:

My feeling is that reincarnation doesn't happen in the linear way that people often believe it happens. Rather, each of us has a higher self/oversoul that sends out numerous projections and eventually these projections return to higher self and share what they have learned. Therefore, each of us doesn't need to reincarnate numerous times. I believe this mainly because of experiences I've had. I figure some of you believe the same.

Below is what I wrote about reincarnation.

http://nondualityisdualistic.com/joining-the-oneness/chapter-17/

[ArmyOfOne1911]

I will read this after I go and meditate. Sounds very interesting.

[kurtykurt42]

What if I don't want to return to higher self?

[CFTraveler]

A couple of comments- first of all, the Oversoul viewpoint isn't really that unconventional, since time is only a measurement, so that if there is such a thing as reincarnation, it would have to be simultaneous, even though from the point of view of the human experiencer (Not the Oversoul itself, since you're a part of it, or it is all of you).  It's just a matter of what you are using as a perceptual mechanism.

As to Kurt:  Really?  I think you know better than the question- you don't 'go' 'back' to the Oversoul, because you never left.  Your temporal human self just perceives it that way.

[kurtykurt42]

As to Kurt:  Really?  I think you know better than the question- you don't 'go' 'back' to the Oversoul, because you never left.  Your temporal human self just perceives it that way.

The question was intended for recoverer...

And why/how would I know better?

[Ident]

Thanks, recoverer. I've ordered your book from Amazon along with a couple of others you mentioned from Atwater. Cheers

[CFTraveler]

The question was intended for recoverer...

Fair enough.  I'll stay out of it then.

And why/how would I know better?

Because you have demonstrated a certain amount of intelligence in your previous posts to get this.  Of course, I should not have assumed.

[kurtykurt42]

Fair enough.  I'll stay out of it then.
Because you have demonstrated a certain amount of intelligence in your previous posts to get this.  Of course, I should not have assumed.

Sorry to disappoint you. The topic of Reincarnation is pointless to discuss anyways.

[Ident]

For some, maybe, for others maybe not. My main interest in this whole "extended reality" is to communicate with dead people, one in particular. The more I learn of spirit, however, the more I care to learn and reincarnation is all part of that huge bubble of knowledge that I have come to crave.

I accept that reincarnation is not something I expect ever to be able to prove or to disprove to anyone but fitting the concept and deduced ramifications into other aspects and data I come to learn of spirit "life" is interesting.

[Karas]

I recommend you get Bhagavad-gita      Translated by Eknath Easwaran. Your understand better on theses subjects. The budda and Lao Tzu and many others knew the truth. Learn from the masters. 

The only way to stop Reincarnation is yoga and selfless acts.
The reason why we keep comming back is cause we love following our sences desires and the attachments of illusions

[Stookie_]

The topic of Reincarnation is pointless to discuss anyways.

Ohhhh... see, you're in a discussion forum where the topic is about reincarnation. Hope that clears things up!

[kurtykurt42]

The reason why we keep comming back is cause we love following our sences desires and the attachments of illusions

My only desire is to leave this planet...

Ohhhh... see, you're in a discussion forum where the topic is about reincarnation. Hope that clears things up!

After discussing the topic over and over again, it's very clear.

[Xanth]

My only desire is to leave this planet...

After discussing the topic over and over again, it's very clear.

That would then beg the question of... why are you still posting on this forum if you believe such?  O_o

[kurtykurt42]

That would then beg the question of... why are you still posting on this forum if you believe such?  O_o

Xanth, my old friend, I was referring to the topic of reincarnation but hey if you don't want me to post then I wont. I've spent the past 5 years of my life researching and practacing out of body travel and I've learned nothing. Well, that's not true. I've learned that people think your crazy for studying this crap! So, I'll ban myself from this forum. There's nothing more I can learn from anyone on here anyways. One day if your lucky, I might be back!

[Lionheart]

 You spent 5 years Astral Traveling and researching and you learned nothing? I have been Phasing for less than a year now consciously aware and it has changed my entire life. I would say you have gone about your research the wrong way or something. Maybe you should lose a little bit of that ego and get more humble. There is a ton of knowledge to be gained from Astral Travel.
On the reincarnation subject, I believe that we choose to experience life again to finish unfulfilled goals.

[personalreality]

I think Kurt deserves a little more credit.  I understand where he's coming from to an extent.

As for reincarnation, I echo CFT in that your position isn't unconventional around here. 

I don't really have an opinion on it anymore.

[Volgerle]

If we are really systematic, we could apply the following logic:

If we assume/accept the mystic premise of "We are all one (consciousness)" then every single human (and actually every other living being) at all times, epochs and ages is / has been actually a "re-"incarnation.

Right?

[personalreality]

sounds good to me.

that's sort of why my opinion on the matter is almost nonexistent these days.  i do no reincarnate into my next life, be it linear or not.  i am all lives right now, existing from every perspective.  of course, that is an intellectual knowing more than a current state of being.  were it part of my current awareness i don't think i'd be living the life i am now in the way that i am now.  i would be enlightened i guess, aware of my full being in a practical sense.

[kurtykurt42]

You spent 5 years Astral Traveling and researching and you learned nothing? I have been Phasing for less than a year now consciously aware and it has changed my entire life. I would say you have gone about your research the wrong way or something. Maybe you should lose a little bit of that ego and get more humble. There is a ton of knowledge to be gained from Astral Travel.
On the reincarnation subject, I believe that we choose to experience life again to finish unfulfilled goals.

Ego? I thought I wrote that I learned nothing, not everything... What can we learn from astral projection that we can't from google?

I think Kurt deserves a little more credit.  I understand where he's coming from to an extent.

As for reincarnation, I echo CFT in that your position isn't unconventional around here. 

I don't really have an opinion on it anymore.

I leave and Rusty comes back? The reason I came to this forum was to see if astral projection was possible. I've concluded that it is from my own experiences and reading others. My next goal was to understand how it works. And those are answers I'm not going to find here, or anywhere on the internet. Unfortuanetly, only technology can help find the answers to those questions. Until then, I'll continue to learn and explore this dimension.

[Lionheart]

 Technology won't help at all. If they could access the Astral they would immediately use it for a military purpose, like all other things they create. We can't teach everyone about all we see in the Astral, because there is a lot we are instructed not to say. The Astral is a personal thing, where we learn more about ourselves. Where we work on bettering ourselves, educating ourselves. It is also an area of total and 100% complete peace and tranquility. You can go there just to heal, to learn, to fly, to traverse dimensions, anything and everything is possible there. Unlike our physical limitations and daily duties here. Google is a guide to find facts, there are no real Astral facts that can be proven. At least that the scientific community can agree on. You have 5 stars and  you still don't think Astral Projection is possible. How many years have you been here? How many years have you aided others in finding the Astral. I have read every one of your posts from the beginning, you are one of the people here that really does know what is going on. I just don't understand why you would give it up. Challenge yourself to go further than you have before.

[kurtykurt42]

there are no real Astral facts that can be proven. At least that the scientific community can agree on.

Exactly. Which is why until there are facts that can be proven I'm done speculating and theorizing. I'm done with this forum, and I'm done having pointless discussions such as this one.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Ego? I thought I wrote that I learned nothing, not everything... What can we learn from astral projection that we can't from google?

What can we learn from living that we can't from watching soap operas?

[CFTraveler]

Well, you're born, and then you learn that you have to stop focusing on everything and learn to focus on one thing at a time, which is traumatizing, because the act of focusing yourself makes you forget all you ever knew.  Now you learn to listen to sound, what sound does.  Then you learn to use your eyes to look, and that there are things around you, and that they are things you can look at.  Then you learn that you have appendages that you have to learn to use.  And eventually, they start doing what you want them to do.  Then you learn that the sounds you hear mean things, and you learn what they mean, one by one.  Then you learn to use your body to repeat the sounds, and now you can say something when you want something.
This is bewildering, because this is completely different that whatever you did before, whatever that was.
Then you learn to walk, to talk, and to tell the difference between people and animals, your family from the population, the vegetation, and then you learn how to be in a place where there's others (society) and you formulate opinions about society, and your family, and animals, and vegetation, and where you live, etc.
You learn from the moment you are born, and you learn every day, even if you don't think you do.  And, no matter how hard you try to tell yourself you're not learning anything, deep down you know you do, whether you like it or not.
It's just the nature of one-pointed sequential dimensional existence, regardless of 'shoulds' or 'woulds'.
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[Lionheart]

 Now that we have the 5 Star comments coming in, why was Frank Kepple so successful here. I see people here start interesting threads, helping others, just to get totally ignored. Two or 3 posts on their threads, then it gets ignored. I have the utmost respect for you ladies and gentlemen that have been here long enough to earn a 5 Star status, but don't quite understand why we don't hear from you more and why we are still constantly talking about the same things day after day here instead of moving on to new things Astral related. The only reason I see for this is because we are kind of handcuffed with how much of what we learn in the Astral we are allowed to reveal. We can help other people learn to get there, but that's about it. I have posted here about going further a couple of times, about possibly looking for answers to questions that have plagued mankind for years. But then I go to the Astral and am shown incredible things but always warned not to divulge any what I see. People are being awakened every day now, does any one wonder why now?

[kurtykurt42]

What can we learn from living that we can't from watching soap operas?

I've never watched a soap opera, so I wouldn't know...

That's nice CFT but I've had enough learning for now. I'm trying to unlearn what I've learned... I've been in school nearly my entire life. I'm done researching. Done studying engineering and mathematics. Done with AP / RV / and any kind of interdimensional, extraterrestrial, supernatural phenomona.

Define successful Lionheart? Frank Kepple was an old man that spent all of his time laying in bed writing on internet forums until the day he died. I don't know about you but I'm certainly not going to end up like that.