To actually work with feelings and energy

[Rastus]

You have made a fundamental breakthrough, Congrats []

One of my favorite affirmations when teaching is : Just do it

NEW is useful, in the same way your 3rd grade reader was useful.  Important in the beginning, but after a certain point your beyond it.  That's not to put down Robert Bruce, but as much as NEW helps you at some level, it puts tremendous limitations on you later if you don't move beyond it.

I guess a good comparison would be:  How fast can you go from sitting down to being fully energized with all Chakras blazing?  NEW defines a minimum time, do you?

[halfphased]

[:O]

[Kenneth]

Hello Rastus and Halfphased,

Halfphased: []

Rastus:
Yes, you are absolutely on the point there!! ... when I apply the logic, that started this to your scenario, my answer now would be "In a fraction of a second" *S* []

When "moving" your question from my "Emotional" and "Energy" bodies (Where chakras are located as far as I know), to my physical body, then the question could just as well have been:

- How long does it takes you to go from deep sleep (Body totally relaxed) to wide awake (The body totally ready for fight or flight)? ...

Or if I apply it to my "Mental" body - how long does it take for you to go from totally "I see the thoughts, but hey - I'm ZONED OUT right now [8D]" to "Okay, I am READY!! []" ?

And you are right - it would be nice, if we all just understood "Just do it" ... But what if the problem isn't that we can't do it, but that we (as students) need a path, that leads from the students "location" or "position", to where the Teacher is located ??" ... What if the problem is, that what you teach IS understood at the mental level, but NOT at the emotional level (like your student unknowingly runs from a feeling they DON'T like), or at the energy-level (You or your student have a blockage there).

What if you (as the teacher), could AT THE SAME TIME you teach the Mind, work with the "blockages" (sort of teach you and your students energy-bodies, like you normally would teach both your own, and their mind-bodies). A little bit like you feel in your energy body, (and the emotions in your Emotional body) - YOUR reaction to your students energies and emotions - and through the very act of studying them, making them sort of "transparent" or "Without resistance or attraction" in your "joint" universe actually MOVE your student directly into a KNOWING of what you are trying to teach ? ...

I teach music to young people as well as I try to teach my self this stuff with selfdevelopment, and I often find, that the "mental" part of the teaching (The actual knowledge, stripped from ALL emotions and energies" is VERY easy to teach (and understand) - but the problem occurs, when MY emotions and energies come into play as well. Meaning, when WHAT I teach (or tries to "grasp") suddenly "grabs on" to me, and I find my self moved from HERE, to the inside of that "thing" (and emotion or an energy blockage) that grabbed me []

Another great thing about this, that I am currently playing with (And yes, it IS like playing *LOL*) is, that I can now use my mind to sort of "recreate" (or create) different VERY EVERYDAY scenaries, that I would normally avoid like the plaque - and then conciously "follow" where it comes from, and sort of "observe" the different "inner-bodies" reaction to that scenario. (Like my mother in law visitting us, or my girlfriend being mad at me for using to much time here at AstralPulse *LOL* [] etc. etc.)

I am not sure how to "make them better" yet, but I try my best to do the opposite of, what I would normally do - and that is RUN LIKE HELL from that feeling or energy, that situation creates in me. (Okay, run and run [] - does it count as a "run" to Turn on the TV, or make my self disappear in a thread on AstralPulse, or Take a cigarette, or go look at some porn, or, or, ?? .... Well, the list goes on and on *LOL*)...)

Now I really do my very best to sort of "look the tiger in the eye", without being hypnotized by the stare I get back - meaning, I try to face the feeling or the energy, but AT IT'S OWN LEVEL NOW, where before I tried to rationalize or explain my feelings or energies, FROM THE MIND, instead of FEELING THE FEELING ON THE FEELINGS LEVEL, and (being aware?) of THE ENERGY ON THE ENERGY LEVEL INSIDE... (I still need some tips and tricks on the Energy level - I feel there i a whole WORLD in there that I could discover now - that I have kept hidden from my self for SO very long !!!)

And YES - it IS INSIDE YOUR BODY, that all this works take place [](Just for those, that thought "I would really like to know this Mental body of mine - or this energy body of mine etc. etc.)

Okay, that's it for now [] .... talk to you guy's and gall's later []

[Rastus]

I say "just do it" because you already know how at multiple levels.  the reason you can't are self imposed limitations.  Removing the limitations is what enlightenment is all about.

That sounds like a circular argument.  What it really means is there is no 'right' way to do everything.  Trying to use someone elses technique put's there limitations upon yourself.  They can put you on a path in the right direction, but it may not be your path.  True enlightenment means wading through the bush to get on your path, even when the one your one is wide and well lit.  It's an easy path, but it's not going where you need to go.

A friend of mine says she has a 4-wheel drive mind, just goes where she needs to.

[Jon_88]

Just with that understanding makes you quite advanced . I guess this is the problem with many people just getting no where with new . They just visualise and think about it.

[Fat_Turkey]

Wow, this is one heck of a breakthrough. That part about feeling pain and moving it around being energy movement sounds a lot like the fundamentals behind Robert Bruce's NEW Energy Ways, which I highly suggest you look at, it's awesome.

This new breakthrough will probably help lots of people, especially with the concept of taming the mind.

Amazing stuff.
~FT

[Kenneth]

Hello Everyone!

Just the other day, I got one of those "Mind-flashes", where a problem, that I have tumbled with for many, many years were solved in the fraction of a split second.

My problem was, that I have felt like I have been chasing my own tail, when working with this Self-Development, Out of Body - thingy, energy-work etc. etc., that all the different techniques and suggestions about what to do only worked "on the surface" for me, so to speak. (Or - to be more precisely - I COULDN'T get them to work *LOL*)

A statement like "Think about a white ball of energy moving through your system" could get me going for hours and hours on end, trying desperately to think about that white ball of energy going through my system - and NOTHING happened [xx(]. It was like I didn't get it INTO my self - like it was "Surface-race", empty thoughts without substance...

I have read a lot of similar statements, from other readers like myself, that have difficulty applying these thoughts and ideas to their everyday life, and I hope, that they too will be helped by this!!...

It was (In all it's simplicity), that I actually tried to THINK how I felt, or THOUGHT about moving my energy!! ... It would be like me trying to THINK about moving my arm - well, THAT doesn't work - I know that - I have to PHYSICALLY move my PHYSICAL arm in order to get it to move.

So very simple - and SO very difficult for a guy like me, that have spent eternity in my THOUGHTS, using my MIND to work with (Systems developer), using my MIND to solve problems etc. etc.

Many of the very good posts in here point to something like "just BE yourself", or "think about a light sphere moving into your pain and changes it" or "Think about, how it would be like, if you were well and healthy" etc. etc.

All very good advice, given in the best of intentions .... and actually misunderstood totally by the receiver (In this case - me [])

Well - i really TRIED to do the above (and about a zillion other good advices, tricks etc.), but I didn't feel like I got anywhere important - it was sort of "too easy", with no REAL effect.

The stubbornness in me just kept me going and going [}:)]... And I got more and more frustrated as times went on.

And the lightening struck, and I was somewhere between "YESSS !! ... I FOUND IT" and "DOHHH !! ... I'VE BEEN SO STUPID!!!" ....

I have read many times, that we as Human beings have a Physical body, an energy-body, an emotional-body, a mind-body and a "Higher" self (Spiritoual body), but I have never been able to get THAT knowledge applied to my everyday life. Never in a million years thought it is THIS accurate and VERY applicable. (
Or - to apply my new knowledge - I ONLY APPLIED IT TO MY MIND-BODY!!"

When I tried the different techniques described in here, (and found, that they didn't work for me), and when I thought through all the different scenaries, I was in reality in my "Mind-body". When you think about something, you ARE in your Mind-body.

I can THINK there - but I can not do anything directly with the other bodies from there!!...

So I tried to think of a situation, where I was in my "energy-body", to be able to show the difference, and a little "scenery" came to mind, that almost every male has tried one time or another.

It is so powerfull ([]), that it actually can (just be "replaying" it in your own mind) produce movement in the energybody powerfull enough to actually give a precise "feeling" of the energy-body. (And thus enable you to KNOW what you are looking for when working with the energy-body, instead of guessing about it)

So, here goes []

"I was out biking, when I was a little boy, and as it sometimes goes, I lost my balance - I lost my "footing" on the pedals.

This was normally not a problem - I wasn't going very fast or anything, but this time, I slid forward, and actually mashed my ba*** against the frame of the bike, with my whole bodyweight behind it.

This was one of the times, when I actually had time to think "THIS is going to hurt BAD [B)]", before I crouched over in SERIOUS pain, and the world almost went black !! ...."


If you have a similar "story", try to REPLAY the events in how your body FELT it, and be aware, that you can almost "feel" the start of the pain beginning again! ... The feeling, when someone kicked you in the balls <beep>, and you sort of "felt" the pain move upwards, before it reached your mind, and THEN it hurt like he**!!! ...

THIS is energy movement - and to work with your energy, you have to MOVE the energy - i.e BE in your energy-body, like you move your arm or leg, when you are in your physical body.

...And offcourse the same goes with working with the feelings as well, and with your physical body !!! ....

So very simple, and yet so illusive - like a pair of glases you are looking for in your home, and then find you were wearing them the whole time []

When you work with your energy, you have to BE in your energy. So if you are THINKING while working with your energy, you are actually in the "wrong" body.

The same goes with feelings - you have to FEEL your feelings, meaning that if you start to THINK about your feelings when you are working with them, then (again) you are in the wrong body! (And this is actually one of the biggest obstacles for our work with ourselfes, that our feelings trigger a thought, and thereby "moves" our focus into our mind-body, where we ARE NOT able to resolve feelings - only situations).

So - how does this help me, that I can "distinguesh" between the different "body's" now?....

Well, for one thing I can actually FOLLOW THROUGH, when an annoying thought occurs in my mind - I sort of "lock on" (or take a "snap-shot" of the thought - keeping my "attention" ON the thought, and not where the thought tries to "push" me to), and then sort of "follows" where the thought comes from. This leads me often to a "feeling" (And now I KNOW how to "move" body, so now I don't try to "think" the feeling anymore!!!), and then I can FEEL the energy behind the Emotion, like a Resistance or Attraction, that almost all the time is very precicely placed somewhere in my PHYSICAL body.

Now that I am aware of that, I can actually go "the other way around" it too, so that what starts out as a very Physical pain, I can "move" my awarenes to the energy IN that pain, and if I "softens" the edges, sort of try to "push through", VERY often a very strong feeling envelopes me, that I can FEEL THROUGH, and thereby sort of "empty the cup" of pain in my body, and change it to Awareness instead []

I try to "split" every situation in my life into teir different "components" now - and if there is a lot of emotions contained in it, then I try to MOVE from the Mind, and just FEEL the situation. If there is a lot of energy, I try to MOVE to the energy etc. etc.

An example is the very act of Learning: This can be VERY difficult, but if you "split" the situation, you have a VERY REAL oppertunity to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT - and thereby handle the energy that BLOCKS you from learning, or resolve the feelings, that are contained in the energy []

Or if you have a Head-ache, then mostly I find it is more like an Energy-block, that I can "stir up",soften and release in its flow, where before I would desperately try to Think the head-ache away instead []

NOW I feel like I have an ACTUAL saying (And a VERY REAL oppertunity of DOING), when it comes to ME and MY body and spirit!!! ... now I have a REAL tool to use - and I would like to have MANY more tools and techniques, so if anyone have any thoughts or idéas on this, PLEASE share []

But (as a little help for a "newbee" in the emotional and energy-department as myself), could you please put [Physical], [Emotional][Energy] and [MIND] different places in the description of the technique, to show in what "body" you have your awareness at any specific time ? ... (When to "shift" your awareness between the different "bodies"?)

Cheers from a very relieved and happy Dane []