The purpose of existence - common occult theories

[Tom]

It is not the merging which disturbs me, but the idea of splitting apart again after having been united with infinity. Nonexistence seems so much more pleasant than being a solitary individual. The purpose I read of for splitting apart is to gain knowledge. With no one and nothing apart from one's self, it is not possible to know one's self. Like trying to examine your own face without a mirror and without even being able to put hands to face to gain knowledge by touch. Once the knowledge is gained, though, why do it again?

[cainam_nazier]

"Once the knowledge is gained, though, why do it again?

Are you sure we aren't already doing it again?


David Rogalski
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[Gandalf]

"Once the knowledge is gained, though, why do it again?

Are you sure we aren't already doing it again?

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I suppose we are doing it again.
Once you become 'god' again, I suppose you will be aware of all the little spark breaking off from your vast, infinite mind, going off to start their long journeys once more, somthing that 'you' have done many, many times' aready.

I agree that the point is to gain knowwelege and wisdom and everytime someone returns aftr a full cicle then you (and them really) become even more powerful. I'm trying work out for what purpose though......
A futile exercise I know!

Scientists ans quantum theorists have now begun speculating that thee are other universes out thereexisting in different 'space time frames'
As I basically equeate 'god' with the universe, then maybe there are many universes/gods out there and they are all competing.
to what end?
I can see that this could go on and on...... thats the problem with infinity!

Still, if its true that we all merge with our creater again then I suppose we'll find out!

Douglas

[Paukki]

Oh, who knows!  Seems like if I decide that the purpose of life is to enjoy life, something happens that sorta turns it around to something like, "The purpose of life is for Life to enjoy you!"  The latest demonstration of this in my own little life is that I had not long become seriously interested in enjoying some serious adventuring in things like meditation and AP and RV, than along came not just one or two, but a variety of inputs that were more along altruistic, or even, , religious lines.  Sometimes it begins to make me grumpy, because I still do not KNOW for myself, (and my APing is proceeding ve-e-e-r-r-ry slowly, thank you.)  I read Paramahansa Yogananda, and he says that it takes an average of a million years of earth-plane lives for a human being to escape the wheel of karma and be done with incarnating here, (but through learning "kriya yoga" and excercising it in a disciplined way, this can be done in..............3 years???!!!!!)   Last February I enrolled in Gerald O'Donnell's "Academy of Remote Viewing and Remote Influencing  Through Time & Space", and the intro to the R.I. course has about 24 pages about matters having to do with, among other things,  "The One", (saying, for instance, that things like reincarnation, astrology, and karma debt, are things of "the dark matrix", and that we all have the key to reaching a higher vibrational state, a "New Matrix", and this all has to do with getting down to the deep theta level and finding our Higher Self, etc., and you don't need a guru for this, it's in yourself, etc.)   But what do I KNOW?  Next to nothing!  So for now the purpose in >my< life, seems to be to keep pounding away at KNOWING, at FINDING OUT, at somehow extricating this mind from the mental enslavement that is par for the course for living in this narrow little existence on planet earth.  I saw a gal on tv who'd been given some "Woman of the Year" award by some magazine, and she talked about how you don't need to sit on a mountain top and meditate, you just need to get out there and love people and do things altruistically, you know, and people swear by this, but then I have a mind adept at counterpoints, and there are many COUNTERpoints out there, including one along the lines of how people will see through you if you take the altruistic approach and your heart is not in it, or you're just doing it to "save your own soul", because what you need to find out for yourself is where your PASSION is, (if you have one left, sometimes I wonder about myself), and go in that direction.  And then maybe you'll enjoy life, and life will enjoy you.  Maybe?
--Paukki the Continually Struggling

[Gandalf]

There's an occult proverb which is particularily appropriate here, in fact its one of my favourites (I'm a fan of the old occult proverbs):

'To realise that you know nothing is the beginning of wisdom'

Its a good bit of advice for those that think that they have become overnight occult/spiritual experts!

Another one I like is the old favourite 'A little knowlege is dangerous'
refering I think to the danger of releasing higher knowlege to unprepared minds.

Oooh yeah!
Douglas

[Paukki]

Well put, Douglas.  Or, uh.....well quoted!  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_approve.gif" border=0>
--Paukki

[ralphm]

The meaning of life-isn't that a movie by Monty Python?

[Gandalf]

>The meaning of life-isn't that a movie by Monty Python?

and a damn fine one at that... I couldnt stop laughing... I think its also closer to the truth of what actually happened than the church would like...
Didnt they try to ban it somewhere?

The end scene is just classic!

Douglas

[Gandalf]

oops, sorry, I was thinking of Life of Brian!!!

Meaning of life is brilliant as well of course...
Esp. the sex education lesson!

Douglas

[Qui-Gon Jinn]

Does there really has to be a purpose to living?  Other than enjoying the eternal dance of life....

- Your focus determines your reality -

[Gandalf]

I originally posted this reply to some thread or other but I wanted to give it an airing in its own right here. Basically I wanted to hear of what people think of the most common occult theories about the purpose of existence, the 'cycle of being' etc, and how it works.

Now, most occult theory talks about 'oneness' and the differing states of oneness that it is possible to acheive.

In most occult theory the ultimate goal of all life (which are individual 'sparks' of life splitting off from the creator) is to return finally after a full cycle of evolution (which may take millions or billions of years) and merge with the 'one' or creator/god. Then the cycle of being is complete.
However, although you are talking about the ultimate goal of life is to become one with the divine again, this can also be seen from a individulistic viewpoint.
Crowley talked about us entering the 'age of the individual' where we take control of our own evolution/destiny.

The evolution to the point where we become one again can literaly take 'ages' but one day we will be pure enough and wise enough and powerful enough, we have reached our full potential as individual beings,
at this point we merge with the creator agin, the ultimate 'individual'.
As you can see, at the end of the cycle of being, you in effect become the 'ultimate individual', the creator. I think, this is what Crowely is getting at.

Therefor it is possible to se the same path from an individulistic viewpoint as well, in fact it is more accurate.
Of course along the way we can experience tasters of what oneness is like to small and varying extents.

Some people seem to be a bit uncomfortable with the concept that one day we will mege with the creator/ the one, again as it could be seen as a loss of personal identity, but if you think about it it is actually a two way trade.
The creator gets you and all the knoweledge/wisdom you have accumulated over the eons (remember you will be a VERY powerful being by this time, quite godlike yourself in many respects) and you get all of THE ONE, you become the one with all that entails, the ultimate individual.
Actually its a good deal because everything you gave over you get back, multiplied by some infinite amount!

As the one/god, little sparks of your vast conciousness will be splitting off to start their own journeys once again, and endless cycle in which you as the creator become ever more powerful.
To what end I can't imagine but then I'm not suprised as how is anyone here on this level meant to understand such things, that's somthing that we'll have to find out for ourselves.

Regards,
Douglas