Spiritual garbage

[Jon_88]

LOL sending energy to world gotta be like tinkling in the ocean to help boats to float. But one is actually sending energy constantly to the world in form of heat and sound(and kinetic energy if you move something).

[James S]

Maybe not to the world as such, but nothing wrong in sending your positive energy to the Earth.
Believe me, she notices it, she appreciates it, and she has her ways of showing you her appreciation in return.

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James.

[Meedan]

quote:Originally posted by James S

Maybe not to the world as such, but nothing wrong in sending your positive energy to the Earth.
Believe me, she notices it, she appreciates it, and she has her ways of showing you her appreciation in return.

Why is it 'positive energy'? I don't see where 'energy' comes into it. Energy is scalar, it can't be positive/negative or good/bad.

(Telepathically) Sending love to everyone in the world is what I would understand it to be. []

[James S]

Meedan,
Energy can be positive or negative, though I suppose you are correct in it being scalar in that the positive or negative aspect is relative. Do some energy raising for a while, then do something to burn it off like get angry or upset, and you'll see the positive and negative qualities of energy - it can build up or it can tear down.

Sending love out is in itself a good form of "positive" energy.
That's kind of what I had in mind - thanks for clarifying. []

Adinaut,
Spirits can very definitely be male or female. I see what you're saying in that they contain that "perfect blend" of both, but you'll often find that that they will display the nature of one gender in particular.
Why do you think that for thousands of years "pagan" cultures have known the Spirit of Nature as Mother Earth, or the Earth Goddess. She has on many occasions appeared to people as the Green Lady. I have met the Green Lady in the flesh (so to speak []) on a few occasions, as have other members I have spoken to.
Anyway, that's beside the point of this topic. The reason I said what I did is because our Earth is a living entity, she is sentient, and she really does appreciate it when someone sends her love.[]

Regards,
James.

[zaicer]

Energy from what I understand is in itself neutral. Even when raised the energy will remain neutral. It will be of a higher vibration but still neutral. One has to notice however that good emotions are a "higger vibration" becouse they "bring ur spirits up" and negative emotions are a "lower vibration" becouse they "bring u donw". This dows not mean that a less vibrant energy is negativ. It only means that with higher energy good emotions are easyer to experiance.


"Earth is a female" theory
I think that Earth is nor a female nor a male. Before I believed that it doesnt even exist but now I have come to a conclusion that the planet as a whole has to have its own Guardian Spirit. I dont think that this spirit can manifest itself in the physical world. Insted other lesser spirits can manifest themselvs in that form. They may be in contact with the actual earth guardian spirit but they may as well be lying and trying to acomplish their own goals (there have been many instances that chanalled spirits lie for some reason, becouse a spirit is not in physical form does not mean that it is good).
Sending love or energy to the Earth is ok but should not be considered something that one should do often. If there is an Earth spirit then it has all the energy that it requiers, it can get what it needs form the plants and lesser organisims. Coming into contact with this spirit would be no doubt intresting and maybe even benefical in our day to day lives but one should inted concetrate on doing what he or she can do without any external help. If that help comes then it will be good (I have experianced "external" help few times when I was trying to understand something or solve some prblem) but it will be easyer for an outside spirit to help us if we are already doing something that will benefit us ("God helps those who help themselvs".
And going back to the mater-earth stuff. I think ppl think of this spirit as a female becouse it makes it easyer for them to grasp it with the limited inteligence (limited when compared to an inteligence of the "mother-earth" who no doubt is many steps above us in its spiritual evolution)

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Adinaut
Pagan, as with New Age, is religion, hence godess. Religion is all about
giving your power to an external force - bow/scrape/'I'm not worthy' - and
then one's own path is easily neglected. Earth Spirit is a powerful being,
and doesn't need worshipping.

I absolutely agree with you here![]

When I first met the Green Lady she came to me in this world. She wasn't flesh and blood as such, but was a fully visible, fully tangeable spirit being - a woman. As this is how the Spirit of Nature appeared to me, I refer to her as female - this is the aspect she chose.

Having just come away from the christian church I still had much church conditioning to be rid of - worshipping God, fearing God, you know, that kind of thing. When I first met the Green Lady I was immediately aware that this was an increadibly vast and powerful spirit. It is little wonder others who have met her in times past have treated her as a Goddess.

But this is not what she wants. I asked her about this - she told me in clear words that are now etched into my mind "do not worship me, just love me". When spirits like this seek relationships with us, they want to be able to talk with us, spend time as friends would. And they like us to think for ourselves so that we can grow within ourselves and become something more than we are now. This is made a little difficult if we keep falling down banging our forheads on the ground, and allow ourselves to be led around like sheep every time they come to us.

Sorry if this has gone off topic Zacier. I believe we are eventually meant to return to the "god" state of being, but we'll never get there if anytime a more advanced spirit comes to us we fall down and start   asking them to do all our thinking for us.

Regards,
James.

[zaicer]

quote:Originally posted by James S


Having just come away from the christian church I still had much church conditioning to be rid of - worshipping God, fearing God, you know, that kind of thing.


But this is not what she wants. I asked her about this - she told me in clear words that are now etched into my mind "do not worship me, just love me".

I too am trying to get rid of that church mantality.


When it comes to "do not worship me, love me" I had a smilar experiance with my higher self.



Here I have to point out that pagans in the early ages and many other people worshiped Mother Earth not Father Earth becouse it is the female that gives birth not the male, and so if earth gave us birth then it must be a female.

[Adinaut]

>James S
>Sorry if this has gone off topic Zacier. I believe we are eventually
>meant to return to the "god" state of being, but we'll never get there
>if anytime a more advanced spirit comes to us we fall down and start  
>asking them to do all our thinking for us.

Thanks for sharing your experiences. []

[James S]

quote:Originally posted by Adinaut
I think male energies is the 'giver of life'. I see female energies as
nurturing.

Makes sense.

It gives a reason to why many people see "God" the Creator as being like a male, and the Earth as being like a female.

[]
James.

[zaicer]

Recently I began to read about conspiracy theories and althea 99% of them are simply a waste few aroused my intrest.

One of those theories talkes about how the government damaged the spiritual development movement in the US by sponsoring many civilian misinformation agencies. After thinking about it I have come to a conclusion that it realy doesnt matter if it is true becouse the message wraped inside that conspiracy theory is realy important.

In the 60 and 70 there were many "human potential movements". They were starting to make quite an impact on society. Many companies seeing it began to exploit the human desire to know. They began to make products which would "help" to develop your spirit.
Slowly but stadily a wave to tech-spitituality emurged. It also provided products that would take the work out of spiritual development. At the same time an idea emurged somewhere that "drugs will help to expand your mind".
All these products concetrated on experiancing. Feeleing better and having cool visions. They became spiritual steroids which in the short term may prove to be useful to increas your preformenc but in the long run they kill your potential.

"New ways of thinking" also emurged. They stated that now "spiritual evolution" is easyer they it was before. Ideas like "thinking that you are one with the univers will result in your joining with GOD" and other absurd ideas like this were accepted my the masses. They poisoned the well of spiritual knowladge for decades to come. Even now I hear ppl talking about this. They believe that simply thinking that you are a part of something will make you see from that perspectiv.
"Posotiv thinking" was also altered. People started to think that positiv thinking will make their lives better just becouse they have HAPPY THOUGHTS. This idea, I think is one of the worst poisons thrown into the stream of spiritual knowlade. It is true that positiv thinking will help you but not becouse you think happy thoughts, it will help you becouse it will give you the strenght to ACT. Positiv thinking, meditating upon something are helpful only by giving you the strenght and the drive to do things that need to be done.
"Sending positiv energy to the world" is also a waste of time. The amount of energy that a human being can send out (even a hunam whos enlightend) is very small relativ to the energy of the world. And if this energy is just sent out it will be wasted. The impact on the world will be almost nothing or nothing. Sending energy out is like looking out the window and throwing mony, I dont think it will help many people. Sending energy is only useful if we send it to a specific point and with a specific purpus. Sending energy to the higher-self (for example like it is done in HUNA) will have a greated impact on your life and from there (by rippl effect) on the world. When sending energy one should focus it like when investing or doneting money ot charity organizations.

Now I will go back to Techno-spirituality. There are some useful technical tools (like BRAIN WAVE GENERATOR or HEMISYNC - i think thats how u spell it) but they must be used in a grater context becouse if you concetrate simply on the experiance you will miss the lesson and you will be forced to repeat it.

This :  http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/cosmic_cointelpro.htm
had a grat impact on my opinion. I know that it is long and sometimes the things said are a repeat but it is truly an eye-opener.