The Astral Pulse

Hello everyone  :grin:

I'm new to this forum and there's something that keeps me busy for a while.
It's the link between spiritual development and sexual experiences.
(Or one could also say spiritual healing and sexual healing).

When it's about sexuality, I'm quite open-minded, at least I try to, especially to myself.
This openness at least means that I'm aware of my feelings, that I know what I want and don't want,
and that I also express myself freely when in a relationship.

When it's about spirituality and my own spiritual experiences, I also have an open mind,
but I also check from time to time what could be real and what might be imagination.

But it's very hard to find people who share my openness when it's about these two subjects.
Sex on an astral plane for instance is something that freaks out the spiritually balanced people.
Sex and tantra are for them only okay if it's sacred enough and balanced enough.
But don't talk with them about orgasms or one night stands, they can't stand that  :wink:
And the more sexually oriented folks don't understand a thing from spirituality.
"You mean the Kama Sutra or what, and getting laid in 1001 ways?"
Not really  :roll:

In my life both sex and spirituality play an important role,
for me they're more like brother and sister, than like something sacral and something sinful.

I still feel a bit shy and fragile to talk about this.
But taboos are there to be broken, right  :lol:

More from me soon...

I think you are looking for a different type of site.  This one will not cater to your needs.  And you don't sound shy nor fragile.  Phhfft.  Sound like someone whom just wants to talk about sex.  :lol:

Well, if I only wanted to talk about sex I wouldn't be on this forum...

I'm not so sure now if I can share my experiences here who are pretty intense,
and who cover a much larger range than just sex.

LOL.  OK, I'm game, give me a sample.  Then I'll be able to tell for sure your true intentions. :grin:

These sensations are very individual, Shyness. I don't think that those who haven't experienced them will understand you.

I don't want to prove anything.
I want to share something which is both very precious and hard for me.
It's for me serious stuff, something I can't talk about with anyone.
Because most "normal" people would say I need a psychiatrist,
people who see sex as a nice waste of time think I just need to get laid.
And spiritual people think I'm immoral, confusing spirituality with sexuality.

I was hoping to find more open minded people on this message board.

I am open minded
I think that sex can be wonderfully spiritual, and that it should be
I do not think you should get laid
I do not think you are immoral
Still, I have not experienced almost anything you tell about.
Thus, it is hard for me to have any conclusions about it or useful ideas about it.

It are more "astral" experiences, although I'm not sure if that's the right word.
I shall post one of my experiences.
I can use some insightful replies.

Sex with a spirit guide

I was a teenager when I first met him, my spirit guide.
He was in his late twenties, so far too old for me at the time.
At first I didn't know what or who he was.
But he was just there, it felt comfortable.
And soon I started talking to him, he didn't really answered me,
but I felt that I could trust him.
A few years later I noticed that I could talk to him and that he answered me.
We've had lots and lots of interesting conversations.
Mainly about things that kept me busy when I was younger.
He was my therapist and friend at the same time.
We never talked about sex actually, yes we did, but more in general.
We didn't talk about my sex life nor about his.
That was absolutely not done, I thought,
spirit guides are higher beings, they don't have a physical body,
so how could they ever have sex?
I didn't even think about such things.
I was shy, timid, prudish, scared, traumatized, when it was about sex.

A few years ago I learned to channel my spirit guide.
He talked and I wrote down what he said.
Our conversations got more intense.
We didn't skip any issue that was important in my life.
When I wrote about myself in my journal I didn't mind to talk about sex,
about my boyfriends and sexual experiences.
But I just couldn't talk about this with my spirit guide.
He started nagging me: don't play so foolish, if you explore all the depths of your soul,
you also have to explore the sexual depths of your soul.
Get rid of this narrow minded stupidity, write down all the things you want to write about,
don't skip anything, name it, say it , do it.
And not to please me, but finally to open up, totally.
He was right, I was skipping certain subjects, I was hiding things from him,
because I thought that our bond had to be purely spiritual.
That the things we talked about had to have some sense and some profound meaning.
But that's how I also limited myself and kept on avoiding certain issues that were still hidden somewhere.

I decided to listen to what my spirit guide said: no more taboos, no more boundaries or restraints.
I should write down exactly what I felt and how I felt, what I wanted and what needed to change in my life.
It was a cascade of words that never seemed to stop.
But it was something good and it felt good, I started to feeling free,
more open, more communicative, more honest in daily life.
And also my sex life got more spicy because I dared to show my real self and my real passions
for the first time in my life.

About two years ago I was writing in my journal, my spirit guide came by and he said: write about us.
So I just started writing.
But it turned out to be quite an erotic story.
I stopped writing and didn't want to think about it.
Because this wasn't the way it should be.
It reminded me somehow of my teenage crushes, making up the most fantastic stories
about the guy I could never have.
So how stupid it would be to fall in love with a spirit guide?

But a few nights later I dreamt this dream.
I met my spirit guide and we made love.
Well, it wasn't just making love.
It was one of the most intense erotic dreams I've ever had.
And it was a spiritual encounter at the same time.
It was beautiful and I enjoyed it,
but soon after I was awake I started pondering again: how sane is this?
What if we do this more often and what if I fall in love?
And what does he actually feel, does he really participate, or is it only my imagination?

I've had more dreams like this, most of them where normal dreams, some of them were lucid.
And I noticed that the relationship I had with my spirit guide until now, started to change.
I felt him closer, his energy was softer, it really felt like someone loved me and wanted me.
Our conversations changed and became more personal, they touched my heart directly.
Before I had these dreams he was like a friend, like my older brother,
but now he was also my lover.
We were communicating more at the same level, like I wasn't guided anymore,
but like we were working together on the same project, with the same ideas, with this huge energy drive.

When I was writing in my journal, he was always there, he always had something to say.
We were still working on the same issues, but the intensity increased,
and sex, sexuality and love were also things we talked about.
And while I was writing, I could feel him, a soft loving energy around me.
Sometimes it was like he tried to seduce me while I was writing.
Sometimes he said: let's go to bed and dream with me.
But I didn't have to dream about him anymore to make love to him,
it could be anywhere, anytime.
As long as my mind was set upon him or his mind was set upon me.
And although I enjoyed these experiences, I still didn't feel comfortable.
So I said to myself: I feel attracted to him, it's okay I fantasize about him,
but it's NOT real.
But this didn't work, he still was around, in my dreams and in my writings,
and I wasn't sure if I wanted this.

I asked a friend carefully, who also has an intensive bond with her spirit guide,
about her feelings for her spirit guide.
She always had a lot to tell about him, how sweet he was, how cute he was,
how much she learned from him.
And she did admit that she was for a while "sort of in love" with him.
I thought, fine, I'm not the only one.
But I didn't dare to ask her if she also had sex with him, because sex isn't something she easily talks about.

And to be honest, I still don't know what to think about having sex with someone invisible.
Someone who's made of energy, but doesn't have a physical body.
Someone I can never meet for real.

I've read about astral projection on this forum, but that's not a technique I use.
I've read about out-of-body-experiences and lucid dreams where such things might happen.
But I'm most of all fully awake but relaxed when I feel him around me,
when he starts talking to me or when he's getting romantic.
He actually behaves like a normal boyfriend would behave.
He doesn't want to have sex all the time, and his vision on sex is far more spiritual,
it's not just about getting laid.
It's also about feeling each other's energy, getting closer to one another,
reading each other's mind.
It's also about freeing myself from sexual inhibitions, from fears, from things that block me emotionally.
It's a full package of love, therapy, spiritual insights and sexual healing.

And believe me, it means a lot, it gives me a lot, but it also makes me nervous.
Because how far can this go, how healthy is this, how much I'm still in control?
No matter how sweet, lovable and patient my spirit guide is.

And that's why I want to share some of my experiences on this forum,
just to let of steam and perhaps to learn from the experiences and insights from others.
Because that's exactly what I need right now.

Thanks for reading  :grin:

That does not sound like a spirit guide...not at all.  But I do thank you for not getting too graphic, I still want to allow my oldest to have a look around the forums.

Quote from: ShynessSo how stupid it would be to fall in love with a spirit guide?

Love has nothing to do with being smart or stupid.  :smile:

Quote from: ShynessAnd what does he actually feel, does he really participate, or is it only my imagination?

ONLY ?  :smile:
It is Your experience and that is what's important.

Quote from: ShynessSo I said to myself: I feel attracted to him, it's okay I fantasize about him, but it's NOT real.

Everything is real - some things are materially real and some are astrally real. You can read my posts about "real experiences" in this thread (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15487).

Quote from: ShynessBut this didn't work, he still was around, in my dreams and in my writings, and I wasn't sure if I wanted this.

IMHO You have a small conflict between your nature and so called normal world.
Be who you are and don't worry about being just like everyone else !  :grin:

Quote from: ShynessAnd to be honest, I still don't know what to think about having sex with someone invisible.

Just accept it - if it is not painful in any way to you - it must be ok.  :cool:

Quote from: ShynessSomeone who's made of energy, but doesn't have a physical body.
Someone I can never meet for real.

I can see at least two advantages !  :wink:
He will be there for you everytime you want.
He will not die - you don't have to worry that he will get sick or imagine his fragile physical body being crushed by a car or something everytime he is late from work !

Quote from: ShynessIt's a full package of love, therapy, spiritual insights and sexual healing.

You are lucky - there are millions of lonely people in this world who would want to have such a beautiful relationship.

Quote from: ShynessAnd believe me, it means a lot, it gives me a lot, but it also makes me nervous.

Again i think that you worry to much about being 100% on a normal and widely accepted (by "normal" people) path. Just accept yourself, your desires and your experiences.

Quote from: ShynessBecause how far can this go, how healthy is this, how much I'm still in control?

IMHO If he loves you he will never hurt you. Don't be afraid.  :thumbsup:

ps.  :welcome:  :kissing:

Quote from: NayThat does not sound like a spirit guide...not at all.

Why not ?
Read Bruce Moen's books - he had many "merging" encounters with higher (non physical) beings.

Quote from: paker7

Quote from: NayThat does not sound like a spirit guide...not at all.

Why not ?
Read Bruce Moen's books - he had many "merging" encounters with higher (non physical) beings.

Good for Mr. Moen.  and higher beings, do not make a spirit guide, necessarily.  To ME, and with my experience, it doesn't sound like a spirit guide.  

I did however, for over a couple years, have a non sexual relationship with a certain individual in the astral.  In fact, it was me that always ended up wanting to "cuddle"  :lol: He once said I was all about sex.. I blame it on him, he gave off some great sexy vibe.  :shock:  Funny, because everytime my mind started to think about doing some, happy, happy, with him, he would leave.  

He then had a child and I saw less and less of him.  I haven't had a visit in...geez, going on a year now.

QuoteThat does not sound like a spirit guide...not at all

Sure it does!  :grin:

In communications between the physical and the astral it is necessary to use the language of this world--and the physical expressions of this world--in ways that help us to understand, and to establish and maintain our individual relationships with spiritual guides and the other astral entities that surround us at all times.

First Shyness, let me echo Paker7, and say that as long as it doesn't make you feel uncomfortable, and you are unharmed by it, then there should be no reason why you shouldn't continue to learn about 'him' and about yourself through that relationship. If however, 'he' begins to make any moves toward the negative, i.e. suggesting that you think or do things that you know are morally and ethically wrong, then break off the communication immediately. (As with all relationships, whether physical or spiritual, always use common sense!)

Second, while it is certainly not the case in every situation, this masculine entity may well be the masculine part of yourself seeking integration into a balanced whole of both genders.

That is what the Sacred Marriage is all about. Becoming ONE with all aspects of yourself, both masculine and feminine--both physical and divine--is a goal that dedicated practitioners have been working towards for centuries.

Whenever I experience other entities in the astral, I try to pay attention what kind of rapport is established. In other words, is it a friendly connection, a hostile connection or yes, an intimate connection.  

Whenever it is a close and intimate connection, it usually makes sense to me after the fact--especially when erotic play is included--that this is actually a part of ME, trying to establish a bond that will bridge both realities.

These things are just my opinion--based upon my own experiences--but I am also a religion scholar and there have been a significant number of people who have written about unio mystica with the Divine Realm in both euphemistic and erotic language.

For example, read the Old Testament book titled Song of Songs (aka, Song of Solomon.)
http://www.ebible.org/web/Song.htm

According to the Zohar (a medieval Jewish midrash) the following explains what is meant by the references in the SofS to 'kisses upon the mouth':

Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth [SoS 1:2]. What did King Solomon mean by introducing words of love between the upper world and the lower world, and by beginning the praise of love, which he has introduced between them, with let him kiss me? ... it is that inseparable love of spirit for spirit that can be [expressed] only by a kiss, and a kiss is with the mouth, for that is the source and outlet of the spirit. And when they kiss one another, the spirits cling to each other, and they are one, and then love is one. http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/SongOfSongs/

The New Testament book of Revelation also speaks of the Bride and the Bridegroom, which without erotic language, or detailed euphemistic language, still implies the intimate union between the soul and God in physical male and female imagry.

Khalil Gibran also used euphemistic language to 'point to' human sexuality in order to provide metaphorical imagry for an understanding of the hoped for mystical union with the divine. For a beautiful example of such euphemistic language, read "A Tear and a Smile" aka, The Life of Love, go to:
http://www.kahlil.org/tear-16.html

Also, St. Teresa of Avila had quite an erotic romance going with Christ.
There is a famous sculpture by Bernini --known as the ecstacy of St. Teresa--that depicts her writings on the topic: http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/wiki/images/thumb/a/a8/200px-BerniniEcstacy.jpg

And finally, this kind of experience is not just for 'girls':wink: See also the works of St. John of the Cross and Bernard of Clairvaux.


I hope this helps!:grin:

~Beth

QuoteThese things are just my opinion--based upon my own experiences--but I am also a religion scholar and there have been a significant number of people who have written about unio mystica with the Divine Realm in both euphemistic and erotic language.

I gave my opinion too, but I guess it is null and void, now that you've made it clear that I'm wrong.  I guess I better start reading a bunch of books, so my opinion will matter one day.  Thanks.

Carry on, Beth.

Thanks for all the replies  :grin:

When it's about spiritual experiences, I always keep this rule in mind: if it feels good and does good, it is good.
If it feels uncomfortable, if it hurts or gets on my nerves, I'm on the wrong path.

Because these experiences are so intense, because they change so much in my inner world,  
I wish I could share them with others sometimes.
But as soon as spirituality and sexuality come together, people go nuts, start laughing or become judgmental.
That doesn't make it easy for me to talk about it.

In general I feel good about these experiences.
And it's not just sex, the main part of this "relationship" is quite philosophic,
we have conversations about almost everything that keeps me busy.
That's how we've spend most of the time before our first sexual experiment.
Because we spent so much time together, we started to feel each other's energy.
We were now able to feel each other's presence and that was new.
We also could feel each other's emotions and thoughts almost physically.
We could feel our hearts open up, and feel each other's love.

I was reading something about Tantra at the time.
Because I was interested in having a loving relationship (and not a fighting relationship like with my ex)
the next time I should fall in love.
I also was interested (and I still am) in another approach of sexuality,
more from the heart.
I was reading the book and did some of the meditation exercises (which can be done alone)
and I was thrilled, this was good stuff.
At the time I wasn't thinking about my spirit guide at all.
But all of a sudden he was there and he said: we can do these exercises together.
Because it's all about getting in touch with each other's energy and opening our hearts.
We meditated for a while and wow, that was really good.
It's he was like he knows everything about Tantra, he perfectly knows to explain how it works,
although we never talked about it before.

I wanted to know my own sexuality better and I wanted to find out what I really want in the next relationship.
I wanted to save tantric love and sex for the man who's worth it.
But strangely enough it was my spirit guide who became my tantric lover and teacher.
It was his idea, he invited me to this world and I accepted his invitation.

I call him my spirit guide, but that is only a word.
I can't really tell who he is.
He isn't just a ghost who hides in my bedroom and who's only hungry for wild sex.
But he also isn't an angel (no wings included  :wink: ) who teaches me how to become a saint.
One could say that he's just a guy, but he's just a guy with a special aura.
He radiates positive energy.
He's smart, he's bright and he has some sense of humor too.
He also knows that I'm looking for some kind of "validation" about what is happening between us.
He says: you know what you know and you know that it's alright,
and you're not insecure because of our relationship, but because of some aspects with tin yourself.
That's right, but I already know his opinion, I sometimes also like to hear the opinion of others.

Beth wrote:

QuoteSecond, while it is certainly not the case in every situation, this masculine entity may well be the masculine part of yourself seeking integration into a balanced whole of both genders.

That is what the Sacred Marriage is all about. Becoming ONE with all aspects of yourself, both masculine and feminine--both physical and divine--is a goal that dedicated practitioners have been working towards for centuries.

I like this point of view, because what I notice is that the male and female aspects in me really change,
I'm becoming more softer, more receptive, more feminine.
But he also has changed, his energy also has become smoother.

Paker7 wrote:

QuoteEverything is real - some things are materially real and some are astrally real. You can read my posts about "real experiences" in this thread.

Thanks for the link, I shall read it.

I have to admit that I don't know much about astral experiences.
I only have to concentrate to talk to my spirit guide.
It's not necessary to dream, to meditate or to have an out of body experience.
Sometimes a very light trance might help, but that's most of all something that happens,
I don't need to do anything for that.
I also don't meditate to prepare to meet him or to have sex with him.
Sex happens most of all spontaneously and certainly not all the time.
That depends on our mood.
He's also the only spirit I have sex with and I'm also not looking for other astral lovers.
I also have no idea what kind of astral beings and lovers might be around,
but I think that I'm in good company, so I try not to worry too much.
But sometimes I just want to know who he is, where he comes from,
and why he picked me.
And how things like this work in general.

That's about it  :grin:

QuoteBut sometimes I just want to know who he is, where he comes from,
and why he picked me.

:grin: That is the zillion dollar question for many of us when it comes to the fact that we can apprehend the astral realm, and others that try to -- cannot.

I have often wondered "Why me?" and "Who are they, and where exactly are they?"...:question:

I wish I knew as well. Maybe one day we will discover the answer!!

Take care and stay aware :grin:
~Beth

Thanks Beth :)

Are you uncomfortable with this 'relationship'?

It's comfortable as long we "see" each other from time to time.
But it's less comfortable when it gets too intense.
I've always learned a lot from the conversations and the therapeutic sessions with my spirit guide.
We pick a certain issues, talk about it, analyze it, work it out.
He supports me, while I do the hard working.
It's the best therapy I've ever had.

The loving part of this "relationship" has both its healing and romantic aspects.
And to be honest I don't want the romantic part to become too intense.
I don't want that this astral relationship becomes a substitute of a real relationship.
He isn't jealous when I meet men in real life, he hasn't been judgmental about my sex life so far.
But having an astral love affair is much more easier than having a real life love affair.
There are no boundaries and my spirit guide doesn't seem to have any emotional blocks.
So everything runs smoothly and very natural.
I never experienced that in a real relationship.
I've also noticed that I find real guys not interesting enough,
they're not in touch with their emotions, they're not willing to express themselves, that sorts of things.
But I also had (and partly have) these problems myself, so I can't blame human guys for being human  :wink:

I'm a little bit worried that this astral affair might absorb me too much.
I'm still in charge and I always can say no, but real life seems sometimes so far away.
I can feel very good about myself, about the things I do and learn, with or without my spirit guide,
but sometimes I feel like an alien when I'm back again in the real world.
And that's something I don't like.
I don't look like an alien, I also don't behave like one, but my way of thinking
and my approach to life have changed, which it's totally different than from the people I know.

I wish my inner world and the experiences I have with my spirit guide were more integrated in daily life.
Now it's like a live two different lives at the same time and that makes me feel a bit out of place in the real world.

Perhaps it's only a temporary thing, but it's something I tend to worry about.

Hello everyone,

Well this topic certainly adds a bit of diversity.

I will add a more now  :smile:

All of your physical "lives" take place concurrently, i.e. simultaneously relative to Earth time.

As all incarnations are different aspects of your higher self, just as our Higher-Selves are in turn are all aspects of The Source, and the Astral exists beyond time and space, them many if not all of your own incarnations are living in the Astral concurrently, until they evolve back to your High-Self, which is really your Inner-Self with the package of experiences.

So there might be a thousand of more of "you" in the Astral at the same time. Just as soul mates are attracted to each other; so to would "all of you", and very often it is aspects of "you" that are your "guides", which can be thought of as "cheerleaders" in the Astral.

So in fact all of these experiences can easily be with yourself  :grin:

Also, gender is a physical thing, although it is carried back to the Astral, because people are still "body ID'd", that is they still think of themselves as "male" or "female". This is just as much an illusion as the Astral, or the physical itself, because in fact as Spiritual beings we are androgynous.

That might give you something to think about anyway.

Apologies if it is not very romantic  :smile:

Best regards,

Adrian.

Quote from: Adrian
All of your physical "lives" take place concurrently, i.e. simultaneously relative to Earth time.

As all incarnations are different aspects of your higher self, just as our Higher-Selves are in turn are all aspects of The Source, and the Astral exists beyond time and space, them many if not all of your own incarnations are living in the Astral concurrently, until they evolve back to your High-Self, which is really your Inner-Self with the package of experiences.

You talk as if you know the secrets of dimensions, time and space.  If you understand what time is, can you build a flying saucer that defies gravity (linked to time-space) or time travel physically?  How many times have you teleported, which is something that anyone truly understanding higher realms can do?

Quote from: hp
You talk as if you know the secrets of dimensions, time and space.  If you understand what time is, can you build a flying saucer that defies gravity (linked to time-space) or time travel physically?  How many times have you teleported, which is something that anyone truly understanding higher realms can do?

Hello hp,

There are no "secrets" in the Universe, only knowledge waiting to be realised.

"Dimensions" only applies to the physical Universe of matter, which is about 0.01% of the entire Universe.

"Flying saucers" or "discs" as they have been known for the last 20 or 30 years only apply to the physical Universe. Mechanical devices are not required to travel in the Astral or inner Energy levels. All "travel" is by thought except we do not travel anywhere. We are always effectively "everywhere" concurrently being an integral aspect of the Universe, so the illusion of "travel" in the Astral and inner worlds is simply a re-focussing of awareness.

Teleportation is nothing to do with the "higher realms", which are actually the "inner realms". We are all pure Energy, and all teleportation is an act of immense concentration, on a level of the Tibetan monks etc, which literally moves the physical body to a different location by an act of will.

But next time I decide to teleport to a different dimension in my flying saucer, I will be sure and let the forum know.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Quote from: hpHow many times have you teleported, which is something that anyone truly understanding higher realms can do?

:lol:
There is always some time between understanding, knowing and exploiting, utilizing the knowledge.

Modern (especially quantum) physics is moving closer and closer to the border of "magic" (teleporting, sending information without any physical mediators).

btw. Remote viewing is teleporting your consciousness ( point of view ) to another place...   ...and precognition - to another time.

>  Are you talking from direct experience when you talk about teleportation Adrian?  I mean, did you ever teleport?

But next time I decide to teleport to a different dimension in my flying saucer, I will be sure and let the forum know.

>  I didn't mean to say you travel with material gadgets to non-material realms.  Although, if you are truly advanced, you may be able to transform your body into pure energy and travel from material realm to inner realm.

Quote from: hp>  Are you talking from direct experience when you talk about teleportation?  I mean, did you ever teleport?

But next time I decide to teleport to a different dimension in my flying saucer, I will be sure and let the forum know.

>  I didn't mean to say you travel with material gadgets to non-material realms.  Although, if you are truly advanced, you may be able to transform your body into pure energy and travel from material realm to inner realm.

Hello hp,

I don't recall claiming to be "truly advanced", and that statement makes no sense. Advanced compared to what? Everything is relative.

Also being advanced at such things as levitation, teleporation, telekinesis etc. is purely a physical thing, because beyond the physical, even in the lower Astral, they are natural abilities, and people in the lower Astral are not very advanced.

Same goes for "magic" etc.. Being able to influence Energy, which is what magic is, in fact all these things are, is a discipline, not a state of advancement.

And truly advanced beings don't amuse themselves with party tricks I assure you. There are more important priorities.

We can travel from the material realm to the inner realm; it is called "Astral Projection"; but it is still Mind travel.

We cannot "transform our body into pure Energy" because we are already pure Energy. The only difference is vibration, and since you are obviously so interested in this subject, teleporation is accomplished by increasing vibration, thinking oneself to where one wishes to be, and then increasing ones vibration back to physical levels again.

Best regards,

Adrian.

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apologies for off-topic discussions.  Adrian, would you think it is wise to make a section about teleportation-bilocation-materialization-dematerialization?

some claim that on planets with 5 genders, sex is perceived as for pro-creation only and sometimes people there are far more evolved than here.  everyone sees auras and astral travels, many teleport.  astral travel is # 1 sport, not sex as it is on earth.  We are a little like evolved animals compared to them supposedly.

i don't know, i guess we all create our own little world.

Well, and what would you do if a flying saucer would crash into your living room right now?
Or with other words, how all this theoretic stuff works in our "daily" reality?
How sane it is to have an astral lover?
What's the use of it?
How to handle it?
Is what feels good really good?
How to stay realistic, where to draw the line?
Etc. etc.

That's what keeps me busy.
Because it's effecting my life.
Not necessary in a negative way.
But it's confusing.

I'm not really looking for "romantic" answers.
But more for workalble answers.
I could try to handle this relationship like all of my relationships.
But having an astral lover is like having an on-line affair.
You feel so close but you're never ever together.
That sort of things...

there are lots of books that touch on astral sex.

go to amazon.com and type "astral sex" or something.  or "astral relationships".  

there are people who go in the astral just to have sex, their level of evolution being there - for them tantra is all there is, self-gratification.  there are also energetic vampires in the astral.  in the astral spirits can shapeshift into anything that helps them to vampire someone's lifeforce.  it is very common for people to have astral lovers, but it is possible many times these beings are not advanced beings.

think about it this way:  the earth is extremely backward, warfare is dominant, murder is everywhere, pollution is huge, millions are in jail, hospitals.

these issues could be far more important to solve for the well being of the planet than an individual's need for sex.  with an understanding of anti-gravity and teleportation, lots of problems can be solved - it is very practical, unlike having extra kids becoming criminals because of uncontrolled sex desire.  countless people have respiratory problems because our planet is getting more and more polluted daily.  power plants and cars are stone age for the most part on earth.  wars over resources start because the people are incredibly idiotic and understanding the universe is not a focus.  

for this reason, my perception (we all offer perceptions, since none has absolute truth) is that this guide is not a very advanced consciousness.

whatever he is, a thoughtform projection from a lower astral demonic source, a person between lifetimes who was your husband many times and wastes his time, a vampire manipulating you with sweet words, or something else - this entity may not be all he thinks he is.  he may be at his level of consciousness, whatever that may be - which seems to me to be just typical of people between lifetimes.  

these things can also be something like a dark entity (from lower astral, sometimes highly powerful demons create thought forms or incubis to arouse people sexually (sometimes to the point whereby these people become addicted to masturbation) and collect the chi according to some or to try to take over your body and mind gradually - this process of possession happens over years and it happens in many forms - demons can disguise as ascended masters and all kinds of nonsense besides lovers) who is manipulating your need for love and acceptance to achieve its own ends.  

he sounds like he is enjoying this game.  basically the idea is like atracts like.  those obsessed with self will attract "guides" who are the same.  those obsessed with reducing the suffering of the planet attract guides who help with that.  

i don't know what happens, but to make sure you are safe you can try to ascertain that your intentions and actions and words are always aligned with the highest welfare of humanity, which isn't always easy.

this sounds judgmental but please don't take it as such.  everything is consciousness and you can change and i could be 100% wrong.  you change every day. reading this post already has dramatically shifted your consciousness in a very subtle fashion.

hp (harmony & peace)

Getting back to the topic....

My own personal experiences and learning agrees with both Adrian's and Beth's views here.
I have experienced sex/sexuality in the astral, and found it to have been both a reconnection with the feminine aspect of my soul, as well as a reconnection with my higher self in a more general sense.

Our higher selves are pure love. When we reconnect with our soul, our higher self (our egos can separate us from our divine self), it is a very loving experience, which can present itself to us as an act of making love.

Lets not forget that sex and sexuality is actually divine in nature and a higher expression of our physical and spiritual selves. Its only since the advent of controlling religions that it has been relegated to being something less.

Blessings,
James.

Hello HP  :grin:

Thanks for your post, which I find very helpful.
I don't have the idea that my guide or my lover is a negative energy.
But he also isn't a angelic being.
He's very human, but also a bit lighter and brighter.

Quotehe may be at his level of consciousness, whatever that may be - which seems to me to be just typical of people between lifetimes.

Well, perhaps it is something like this.
Something "in between".
And the sexual part of  our relationship is rather new.
It's right that he enjoys sex, but it's not the only thing he's interested in.
It's not our main "exercise" in our relationship  :wink:

The question is: how can I know what astral beings and energies are good or harmless,
and how do I know if I'm in trouble?
I don't see that clearly yet.
Do you see that yourself when you encounter someone from the astral plane?

I think you're very right that sex isn't our main concern.
That there are more important things in life.
But sex is also a part of life also of our spiritual life.
Being aware of myself also means being aware of my sexual identity.
Now it feels like my spirit guide helps me to find my real self,
including my sexual self.

But I notice that the more balanced I get the more my view on life expands.
The more I'm aware about what's important or not.
So maybe I once get a grip about what's going on right now.

Quote from: James SGetting back to the topic....

My own personal experiences and learning agrees with Adrian's view here.
I have experienced sex/sexuality in the astral, and found it to have been both a reconnection with the feminine aspect of my soul, as well as a reconnection with my higher self in a more general sense.

Our higher selves are pure love. When we reconnect with our soul, our higher self (our egos can separate us from our divine self), it is a very loving experience, which can present itself to us as an act of making love.

Lets not forget that sex and sexuality is actually divine in nature and a higher expression of our physical and spiritual selves. Its only since the advent of controlling religions that it has been relegated to being something less.

Blessings,
James.

Hello James,

Just one question: how do you know that you're 100% in touch with your Higher Self.
I do meditate myself, and I try to be pure and open (at least as much as possible).
But it's very hard to distinguish if my ego is still fooling me around.

Although the experience I have feel pure, I'm still confused at times,
because mainly I don't know what this exactly is and how it works.
But with all these posts to think about I hopefully get a clearer view on what is going on.

Hi Shyness,

There's a very simple basic test to determine if a thought is coming from your soul (higher self), or from your ego.

When the thoughts come to you, stop and look at these thoughts. Analyse them a little and see if at their roots they come from a place of fear or from a place of love.

For example, if the thoughts you get from your encounters are ones of neediness, or of urgency, jealousy, impatience, or other feelings like that, then they are at their very roots based in fear, and from the ego.

If the thoughts are uplifting, happy, encouraging, supportive, unconditional, tolerant, peaceful, then they are from a place of love - your higher self.

Another way to tell is the kind of body feelings you get.
If you get an unwell, unsure feeling that seems to come from your stomach, then trust that the source of that feeling is negative and fear based. If the feeling you get gives you a warm happy feeling in the heart, then this is your higher self telling you that all is good and what is happening is part of your higher purpose.

Higher self and true guiding spirits are all a part of the Divine oneness, as opposed to the human ego which seeks separation through fear. As such, any higher spirit being will never do anything to harm us, as it understands that to harm another is to harm itself. You would not willingly choose to stab your hand with a knife would you? Neither would a guiding spirit choose to harm another soul.

Hope this helps give you some guidance here.

Blessings,
James.

Thanks for you explanation :)

> The question is: how can I know what astral beings and energies are good or harmless,
and how do I know if I'm in trouble?
I don't see that clearly yet.
Do you see that yourself when you encounter someone from the astral plane?


I see that if I ask Jesus to surround the entity I encounter in His Light.  "The Fire of Ascension" is an energy from a spiritual realm where Jesus like beings exist.  This energy can be invoked.  This Light will many times make your human boyfriend, dead relative from astral run away, because she/he is actually a Demon who shapeshifted into a lover, relative, ascended master, etc to try to deceive, possess you and steal your lifeforce.  Demons are sometimes as clever as Einstein.

Other times, lovers, relatives in astral are a real soul between lives who is not mature and also secretly manipulated by other demons without his awareness and he is used as a satellite probe to do their dirty work.  Like in CIA operations.  Just because someone is in some spirit form doesn't mean he is more advanced spiritually than you, as you know.  He may be more deceitful and more clever, but that is not maturity.  

You know also the physical people who claim "I am from a model agency.  I would like to take you a picture".  They look nice, the appearance (physical clothes or astral clothes which are trivial to make), but inside is a diabolical being who will then use the abducted girl for 20 daily rapes 50 dollar each until the girl is found dead in a drawer by the police.  Satanic human sacrifice killings happen almost every day on Earth still.  Millions of animals are slaughtered daily too.  In China, beatings and turture are huge.  Yet Europe and US have huge trade with China.  What do you think is responsible for this?  Could it be the legions of demons?

So, the process of spiritual fall into darkness starts with a seemingly normal astral encounter or channeling experience.  Over the years, the demons try to completely take over by establishing countless cords to your subtle bodies.  It may help to call Jesus and "ArchAngel" Michael often when in doubt.  Michael has no wings as far as I can tell.  In the astral demons can create temporary buildings, like a very nice hall with a throne where Michael (or your favorite master) sits or something to deceive and then this demon shapeshifted into Michael will give you some messages that will ruin your life or 10 years of it.

You can meditate for one year asking Michael, Jesus, Martin L King, Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Teresa higher self to connect with you.  And you can even tell this boyfriend to leave you alone for a year.  If his love is Unconditional, he should leave you alone easily.  Lightbeings always honor your free will.  Then, compare the teachings from Jesus with his.  Start channeling Jesus.  Talk to Jesus.  Try to see what he really taught and did, not the 1500 christian sects present.  But be honest, sincerely call to Jesus for the sake of all nations and your self-transformation into a more divine soul.

Also try to keep a critical mind and don't believe too fast what anyone claiming to be Jesus says.  Females are sometimes very emotional (they don't think critically as much as men) and a few astral experiences are prone to make them believe they really met Jesus, etc who told them to have tantra every day, etc.  Mother Theresa took care of countless people abandoned by all and she recommended chastity to all people (sex for pro-creation only), saying that Love is mercy, compassion, forgiveness and not rubbing your genitals off another set of garments for the consciousness.  

True discernment can take 10 years to develop.  I am not claiming I know anything or that I am more discerning than you.  I am offering perceptions which can be a way of life, not claiming that chastity will make you superior to being a tantric goddess-priestess.  There are a lot of souls claiming to be tantric lemurian high priestess or priest or goddess who cannot even astral project at will.  Usually these, together with all those who claim to be ascended masters, archangels, angels, etc may be people who are lost.  Those into sex outside pro-creation may vibrate too low to enter certain spheres, who knows?  A spirit told me this:  one of true virtue would always serve others whether they are in spirit  or physical worlds and would not have sex outside pro-creation in any realm.  Is it true?  I don't know.  But I resonate with the idea.  I cannot teleport at will, so my ignorance is huge.  I cannot disappear in Light like many Indian saints.

I am just sharing possibilities that this boyfriend of yours isn't as advanced as he seems to some beings.  

I am taking a break, and will not be able to answer any more questions for a while.

my 2 cents, hp

Thanks for your reply, HP.

Quote from: hpI see that if I ask Jesus to surround the entity I encounter in His Light.  "The Fire of Ascension" is an energy from a spiritual realm where Jesus like beings exist.  This energy can be invoked.  This Light will many times make your human boyfriend, dead relative from astral run away, because she/he is actually a Demon who shapeshifted into a lover, relative, ascended master, etc to try to deceive, possess you and steal your lifeforce.

If demonic forces can pretend being a higher being, they also could make us believe
that they're Jesus or an Archangel.
But isn't love the difference between a higher and a lower astral being?
Or can't we even trust love?

Just like a sharp dressed man is only a sharp dressed man, it depends on his energy and his intentions.
If his energy doesn't match with his nice words and his nice looks,
I wouldn't trust him anyway.
Looks are just looks, words are just words, the energy someone radiates tells me who I can trust or not.
(In this case I merely speak about human beings)

If we need to know if someone is reliable or not, we need to rely on something within ourselves.
On our intuition for example.
Or isn't that enough?

QuoteDemons are sometimes as clever as Einstein.

Are demons clever enough to radiate love?
Or are they only smooth talkers and seductive lovers?
Can they also transform their energy so it really looks like they're good company?

In that case how much it would help to pray to Jesus,
if demons changes their clothes, their looks and their energy from time to time?

I still don't think and feel that my spirit guide/astral lover is a "demonic force".
He is someone who radiates love, who is patient, who isn't obsessed by sex,
who doesn't force me to do anything.
He's not a sharp dressed man who talks about love.
He's someone who shows love and not only through sex.
It's more his approach, his energy, his behavior.
If he were a normal human being I would like him and trust him.
Although I don't know what kind of relationship we would have had.
At least we should have been friends.

Do you really think that the universe is full of demonic forces,
and that there isn't some natural protection from within ourselves (intuition)
and from a higher source? (God, Jesus)
(Since you assume that demons do change their appearance from time to time,
it would be very hard to find the right Jesus, which I don't believe actually,
because I concentrate on Love, and not on looks or smooth talking)

What would a spirit guide be like according to you?
What would a spirit guide behave like?
Don't think that a spirit guide could help solving sexual issues?
Don't you think that sexuality is also a part of life and our souls?
If sexuality was only meant for procreation I don't think that it would have such a great impact on our lives.
Then rape wouldn't hurt so much.
Then making love wouldn't open our hearts.

For me sexuality is also a key to more openness, more awareness,
sexuality can be healing.
Especially if you are somehow traumatized by certain sexual experiences.
And there's also a big difference between making love with someone who loves you in return.
Then to have sex all day, whether in bed or on an astral plane.
I'm for instance not interested in having astral lovers or love affairs.
I wouldn't practice astral projection for my sexual pleasures.

But sometimes boy meets girl and they fall in love.
Just like me and my spirit guide met, with one big difference that we've been merely friends since we've met.

Anyway, it seems that there are amounts of theories out there about a subject like this.
So I need to rethink again what I actually feel and want myself.
But it feels good to talk about these sort of things, because there aren't many people who would understand.

I'd like to put to rest here a very common misconception that clever demons can trick you into thinking they are beings of light. I've heard this many times, and well...sorry, but if you're in a right place within yourself, it just cannot happen.

quite simply -
If you are in tune with your higher self you cannot be decieved by any entity!

Your soul, your higher self always sees straight to the truth of a matter. This is because your soul is not limited by the beliefs and perspectives of the physical mind, and not distracted by the fears of the ego. It is above all of that, and can very clearly see all that which, in the physical, we cannot.

So how do you do this?

1) Meditate, meditate, meditate!
Meditation is the most basic and most important foundation for any spiritual development.

2) Connect with your emotions and your intuition.
Our mental processes can be easily led astray, by both ourselves and others. Learn to understand the feelings you get from different situations. Our feelings and our intution are reliable full time connections we have with our soul.

3) Trust!
Don't analyse, dont intellectualise, don't overthink the feelings and intuition you are getting in any way. The mind can be easily tricked as it works purely through association. Our thoughts and our beliefs have been learned, they have been moulded. They can be easily misled. Our deepest feelings and our intuition cannot be misled - they come from a higher place. Trust them.

If on a deep level you feel right about something, then trust in that. If your intution is warning you about something, trust in that.

Our soul, our higher self, is the best guide we could possibly have. It always seeks to lead us to what is best for us, no exception.

I'd reccommend anyone who is looking at any spiritual studies, especially astral travel or mediumship, unless you learn to develop and maintain a deep inner connection with your own soul, you risk being led astray.
If you look to and connect with your higher self on a regular basis, it will lead you on the best path for you, and you will not ever have to worry about being tricked by any kind of entity.

Blessings,
James.

>  But isn't love the difference between a higher and a lower astral being?

yes, it is.  But Love may be something that very few know.  Most people reincarnate many times because they have not yet learned Love.  What is Love?  Love may not be not the physiological process of birthing garments for souls in this physical realm.  Love may be:  forgiveness, mercy, infinite mercy more exactly, compassion, sacrificing oneself for the welfare of all humanity, giving up all personal goals to do what is best for humanity.  Love can be viewed as doing our best to alleviate the deepest pain of humanity:  countless people are beaten to death in China and oppressive regimes like Iran this day and countless people live in terror in Italy, yet the world is lied to that EU is a civilized union - when mafia is so present in Italy and elsewhere, human traffic is very heavy, humanity destroys the land really fast (same land feeds many more vegans than meat eaters, yet meat eaters don't care - then get mad when earthchanges happen after they destroy the planet).  Love is absent on Earth for the most part.  We are a cruel civilization where murder is rule and much of research and development is focused on weapon making and killing each other.  Love is being a living example that shows another way.  Sex shops for masturbation don't make Earth more loving.  It is that same self-centeredness that allows the cruel killing of other life to satisfy some craving for meat.  Our digestive system is designed for veggies only.


>  Or can't we even trust love?

We can trust Love, but Love may not be something that is so simple.  We can write 10 billion pages on what love is and describe 100 lifetimes of yours and see facets of Love.  Do you claim you know what Love is?  I venture to say that those who know what Love is are probably no longer born on Earth.  So, what is love?  What are we to trust?  Love for me, at my level of ignorance is highest mercy for all life at any given moment.  Whatever is multi-dimensionally most forgiving, merciful and compassionate for all nations and animals is Love.  

>If his energy doesn't match with his nice words and his nice looks,
I wouldn't trust him anyway.

It may not be easy to read the oldest demons who have existed for millions of years on many planets.   It may be that the most powerful demons spent a lot of time to put faces, energetic cloaks, etc - to the point where many feelings can be faked and energies manipulated.


>  Looks are just looks, words are just words, the energy someone radiates tells me who I can trust or not.
(In this case I merely speak about human beings)

That is true, but not all people see auras since birth, and among aura seers there are those who see many layers of the aura.  As such, our ability to "read radiated energy" is reflection of our spiritual maturity.  It is not always advanced enough to read without the help of Higher Beings like Michael, Jesus, Krishna, etc


>  If we need to know if someone is reliable or not, we need to rely on something within ourselves.
On our intuition for example.
Or isn't that enough?

It is enough probably, if you are very advanced spiritually.  For me it is not enough.  To be good at physics, you learn from the best.  So, to be good at discernment you learn from the best in inner realms.  None is born knowing everything.  I always ask for help from Jesus, Michael and others to make sure I am not being taken for a ride in some way.  



>  Are demons clever enough to radiate love?
Or are they only smooth talkers and seductive lovers?
Can they also transform their energy so it really looks like they're good company?

It is possible demons can radiate love in your understanding of it.  But from the above, it is evident that your understanding of Love may not be the very truest understanding of Love.  Good company, and being nice and loving to an individual when humanity has so many problems is not LOVE.  But self-centered people consider it Love because THEY get attention.  So, demons can radiate fake Love, temporary individual love, to achieve their ends.  This may be the typical way possession starts.  Love, pamper, keep good company, tell lies, make souls feel good, feed the ego, let them start the new cult for the enslavement of souls, etc.  

>  In that case how much it would help to pray to Jesus,
if demons changes their clothes, their looks and their energy from time to time?

It would maybe help a lot, because He can help you understand Universal Infinite Mercy as the essence of Love, instead of individual attention to your persona, family, nation, religion, sect, etc.  And from there, he can also download "spiritual software" in your subtle bodies to help you determine fakery from truth.


>  I still don't think and feel that my spirit guide/astral lover is a "demonic force".

You are free to believe anything you wish.  I still think he is less evolved than Michael, Jesus, etc.  Try call Michael and you may feel the difference.  Michael may feel like a Sun of Peace, Wisdom, Mercy and Bliss. It's hard to put in words anyway.  Reality is not black and white.  There are many shades of darkness and light.  You choose what you want.  Sometimes girls had their blonde astral lover shapeshift into a reptilian demon while having sex.  So, he was there telling her all the lies before simply because he wanted to have sex with her.


>  Do you really think that the universe is full of demonic forces,
and that there isn't some natural protection from within ourselves (intuition)
and from a higher source? (God, Jesus)

No I don't think the universe is full of demons, however they do exist just like you exist as an individual.  Life is a school and as such discernment and Love may take 20 lives to understand fully for me and you.  Others may need 2 lives or 200.


>  (Since you assume that demons do change their appearance from time to time,
it would be very hard to find the right Jesus, which I don't believe actually,
because I concentrate on Love, and not on looks or smooth talking)

It is very hard to find Jesus if you don't care about humanity.  When day and night, the atrocities on earth are affecting you and you try to do something about it and constantly daily think about it, and take actions to do something - then it is easier to find Him.  When you read tantra books and have sex outside of pro-creation (while Mother Teresa would take care of hundreds of thousands of people working 16 hours a day) He may think you cannot understand Him, so He won't bother to contact you of His Own Will.  Instead, former lovers now between lifetimes may contact you - they are much closer to your vibration.  Physics for a Nobel laureate may not be not physics understood by high school student.  Love for Jesus may not be not Love as understood by you.

>  What would a spirit guide be like according to you?

Like Mother Teresa.  Like Gandhi, who with a piece of cloth alone liberated India from the British empire.

>  What would a spirit guide behave like?

Like Jesus, giving his life for the welfare of all.  

> Don't think that a spirit guide could help solving sexual issues?

If you are Jesus like, there is no sexual issue whatsoever.  Sex may become an issue for self-centered people obsessed with their physical garment in one life.

>  Don't you think that sexuality is also a part of life and our souls?

Souls are genderless.  Sex is a physical function.  Astral body is a copy of physical lifeform.  Thus you experience a lot of physical sensations so to speak while in this gross subtle body called astral double.  Our soul may not be the astral body.  Genitals and sex are just how people reproduce on some planets, just like mouth and chewing is how they eat.

>  If sexuality was only meant for procreation I don't think that it would have such a great impact on our lives.
>Then rape wouldn't hurt so much.
>Then making love wouldn't open our hearts.

You are free to believe whatever you want.  Your perception of "heart opening" may not be what true "heart opening" is.  Some may think heart opening is feeling the suffering in China or Iran or Iraq or USA so much, that you cannot sleep at night.  Your heart chakra is in another dimension encompassing the whole planet so to speak.  As such, people with opened hearts (universal mercy) no longer bother with sex shops and tantra books, but become more like Mother Teresa, Gandhi, etc.  Your perception of Love, may not be what Love is for someone who has ascended.

>  But it feels good to talk about these sort of things, because there aren't many people who would understand.

All is fine.  Love may include the gentlest, subtlest form of caring about one's graduation from this realm.

Please feel free to think I am crazy.  This doesn't change the truth, even if all the above is just nonsense.

just some perceptions from an ignorant soul, hp

Interesting post, hp.  :smile:

QuoteSo, demons can radiate fake Love, temporary individual love, to achieve their ends. This may be the typical way possession starts. Love, pamper, keep good company, tell lies, make souls feel good, feed the ego, let them start the new cult for the enslavement of souls, etc.

I don't believe in demons, but I certainly believe people do this and on a large scale.
Well, not the cult thingy.. I mean people whom give off the loving vibe, while stabbing you in the back.

So, why did you post under a different name?  Just curious.

I have to agree with James on two key points.

QuoteIf you get an unwell, unsure feeling that seems to come from your stomach, then trust that the source of that feeling is negative and fear based. If the feeling you get gives you a warm happy feeling in the heart, then this is your higher self telling you that all is good and what is happening is part of your higher purpose.

These are truly excellent words of advice. I use this method all of the time and it has never failed me.

QuoteI'd like to put to rest here a very common misconception that clever demons can trick you into thinking they are beings of light. I've heard this many times, and well...sorry, but if you're in a right place within yourself, it just cannot happen.

Totally agree here as well. I've had many experiences with my guide as well as other deceased beings. I have also been fortunate enough meet a truly evolved being, albeit I was only able to reach that level twice. They have VERY different 'feels' to each of them. In my experience, there is simply no way for a lower being to fake being a higher being. Its just not possible. They may TRY. But I don't even think a child would be fooled by their attempt. There are some things you just can't fake. And the vibration/feeling/radiation from a being like Jesus or similar is so very different, even compared to spirit guides. There is simply no mistaking it.

My concern with your description of events is that your sexual relationship didn't start with your guide until after you began channeling. I'm not sure how you channel him, but how do you *know* its him you are channeling and not some other being? Also, you mention that he tries to seduce you while you are writing. To me the word seduction implies coercion, persuading someone to do something they don't necessarily want to do. I would never use that word when describing interactions with spirit guides.

I do believe in the concept of divine union, as Beth mentioned in her one post. But the way you describe some of your experiences makes me question if this is what is happening.

In the end, you need to search within your self and make that decision. None of use can tell you what you are experiencing. The best we can do is provide our own opinions based on what you've told us and what our experiences have been.

Again, thanks for all the replies.

James, your post makes really sense,
because it describes exactly how I try to feel the difference between good and evil.
Although I'm not so aware yet that I know how to handle every situation.
And because so much seems to be mixed when it's about the relationship I have with my "spirit guide"
it takes some time to get this clear.
At least thinking and talking about it helps a great deal.

When it's about right or wrong or good and evil,
I always use this wonderful tool: my intuition.
My intuition is never wrong, but my intuition might sometimes be blurred by my ego (most of all fears or worries)
It's impossible for me to understand anything at all if I would only use
my rational mind.

How do I check if something is false or true?
By using my intuition.
How do I know if I can trust someone or not?
By the energy he or she radiates.
Words are just words.
They might tell a totally different story.
And if the energy and the words don't match it feels uncomfortable anyway.

It's very easy for me to feel the main energy someone radiates.
It's impossible to hide a strong energy like hate or anger behind a "love" layer.
It's also impossible to analyze someone's intentions or energy with your mind.
You need to use your intuition for that.

I know that my spirit guide isn't an angelic being.
He also doesn't pretend he is.
It also could be that he isn't a real spirit guide.
But he also isn't someone with cruel intentions.
Because cruelty doesn't match with his energy.
His energy is soft and loving.
And now I've been reading about different kind of spirits,
he might be someone I've known before (perhaps from a past life)someone who has always cared about me.
He's much lighter and brighter than the (living) people I know,
so he might be (perhaps only a tiny little bit) on a higher plane.
On the other hand I think that he is still working on certain issues himself.
But he doesn't bother me with that, he doesn't cling to me, he doesn't bother me in any way.
I think he even would say sorry if he would make a mistake or go too far.

So let's say he's only a spirit and not a spirit guide.
Does he harm me?
No.
Does he make my life a mess?
No.
But the sexual part was confusing me because I wasn't sure if it was right.
And I also think that sex between us shouldn't become a habit.
I stop with the sexual part for a while just to see how things really are between us.
And to ask him what the purpose of our relationship is.

Another thing that bothers me is my own perception.
My fears, my prejudices and doubts are in the way to understand what is going on.

I know what he radiates, and that's a positive energy.
I know how he behaves, and that would be an ideal behavior if he would have been human.
And I know that the connection feels overall good, in spite of some doubts.

The question is: if he's just a spirit, not evolved yet to be a guide,
why he seeks my company?
If he doesn't do any harm, should I still send him away?
A normal spirit isn't the same as a negative spirit.
But on the other hand: what's the use of having a spirit around who seems to love me and like my company.

Although this topic goes to extremes, I don't think my situation is so extreme.
And I also don't think that my spirit is dangerous.
If he were my neighbor, who was more or less in love with me,
and with whom I could have a good time, I would act the same as I do now.
I would talk about my doubts and feelings with my friends and finally take a decision
to continue the relationship or not.
But I'm not sure if I should treat an (as far as I can see) innocent spirit as a normal human being.

I keep some distance, use my intuition and then I see what's next.

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he might be someone I've known before (perhaps from a past life)someone who has always cared about me.

I agree. And that is why you are more connected/open to him  than to others.

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He's much lighter and brighter than the (living) people I know,
so he might be (perhaps only a tiny little bit) on a higher plane.

My knowledge is that there are no planes - only slower and faster vibration.
I mean there are no clear boundaries between lower, higher and highest possible "plane".

Quote from: ShynessOn the other hand I think that he is still working on certain issues himself.

There is a word in Hinduism for an advanced entity who decides to remain close to physical plane to help other souls, instead of evolving further as quick as possible.

Quote from: ShynessBut the sexual part was confusing me because I wasn't sure if it was right.

I thought that you said earlier that you are very open in this matter.

Quote from: ShynessAnd I also think that sex between us shouldn't become a habit.

Look deep inside and tell me why do you feel that way. ;)

Is it because of some external influence ? People telling you that sex is bad, that he may be a "demon" ? :lol:

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I stop with the sexual part for a while just to see how things really are between us.

I may be wrong but you may lose him forever if you do that.
Maybe by loving (merging with) him you are giving him enough energy for him to be there for you.
Without that energy he may have to go to the light (final destination).

Quote from: ShynessAnother thing that bothers me is my own perception.
My fears, my prejudices and doubts are in the way to understand what is going on.

99% of women   :loveU:  are like you  :lol:  :wink: Everything is fine but they have their fears and prejudices and then they want to fix something that is not broken and all hell breaks loose.  :wink:

I don't know maybe try to think like a man.

Quote from: ShynessIf he doesn't do any harm, should I still send him away?

Your choice - if you don't love him - kick him out.  :neutral:

Quote from: ShynessBut on the other hand: what's the use of having a spirit around who seems to love me and like my company.

Hmmm Well...
...he may be very helpful in magic practices. :witch:
He may be able to protect you from evil :demon:  :chainsaw: etc.

nay - i love infinite mercy more than hp as a name.  hp may make people wonder what it stands for, like people ask sometimes "what does that stand for in that thread, is that your picture?"

shyness - u r free to do whatever feels right.  please don't think i am right and u r wrong.  it could be the opposite or something in between.  all is relative.  my perceptions are extremely narrow, limited, immature.  my ignorance is huge, as i said in one of the other posts.  the very fact i am still on this forum shows that i am not very mature in a way.  well, maybe i get enlightened tomorrow and that will be it.  i become a mist of light, laughter.  will be your next spirit guide, but won't ask you to have sex with me astrally.  good luck.

Quote from: infinitemercyhp may make people wonder what it stands for, like people ask sometimes "what does that stand for in that thread, is that your picture?"

Hewlett Packard ?  :razz:  :lol:

Hello Paker7,

It's the first time I talk openly about this.
I'm used to be open about my spirituality.
And I'm used to be open about my sexuality.
But I never knew it was possible to have sex with a spirit (guide).
It wasn't just a dream and it wasn't my own juicy fantasy.
It was very real and it had an huge emotional impact on me.
It was like making love for the first time with the love of my life.
I've been in relationships before, but I hardly ever felt so close to someone.
And with a real lover I can talk about it.
But after I've had sex with my astral lover, I realized that I was alone.
That there's no one lying next to me.
And that is pretty confusing.
(Although we talked about it later of course)

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Quote from: ShynessBut the sexual part was confusing me because I wasn't sure if it was right.

I thought that you said earlier that you are very open in this matter.

Being open doesn't mean I can't be confused.
It was all new to me although it was a pleasant experience.
But it was like I made an emotional swift.
I would have been just as confused if I should have made love to a woman.
New things can be very confusing, especially if it's not a common thing.
At least I thought that astral sex wasn't a common thing.
I'm still not sure if it is a good thing, and I don't mean from an ethical point of view,
but more from a spiritual and psychological point of view.

I'm actually less worried about all the scary demonic stories I've heard.
But I wonder if there are more people who have sex with spirits or their spirit guides.
Do they experience this as a good or a bad, or just as a nice waste of time?

The main part of this relationship is a talking/learning relationship.
The sexual part came later and still doesn't dominate our relationship.
It's more an extra.
If I experienced this extra with a close friend it would have been far easier to accept
that we're not only friends but also lovers at times.

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Quote from: ShynessOn the other hand I think that he is still working on certain issues himself.

There is a word in Hinduism for an advanced entity who decides to remain close to physical plane to help other souls, instead of evolving further as quick as possible.

In that case he might be something like this.
But I'm not aware what kind of spirits and spirit guides do exist.
And what makes a spirit guide a spirit guide and not a "lost soul".
Until now I've trusted my intuition.
Until now he didn't fool me around or hurt me in anyway.
Yes, the sexual part confused me, but we can stop that any time.
That's also something I'm going to do, to think things over and to get everything into perspective.

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Quote from: ShynessAnother thing that bothers me is my own perception.
My fears, my prejudices and doubts are in the way to understand what is going on.

99% of women   :loveU:  are like you  :lol:  :wink: Everything is fine but they have their fears and prejudices and then they want to fix something that is not broken and all hell breaks loose.  :wink:

I think that doubts, fear and prejudices don't give me the right perception.
By letting this go and by observing what really is and what not, it's easier to get the full picture.
Then I hopefully see what's right about all the scary stories and the erotic poetry about heavenly grooms and brides.

It's easy to get carried away by both fear and romantic feelings,
that's why I rather observe and stay in touch with my intuition,
to see what's really going on.

And that's what I'm trying to do right now.

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At least I thought that astral sex wasn't a common thing.
I'm still not sure if it is a good thing, and I don't mean from an ethical point of view, but more from a spiritual and psychological point of view.

I think it is a very common thing but 99% of time (average) people think that it is just a very nice dream.

Quote from: Shyness
I'm actually less worried about all the scary demonic stories I've heard.
But I wonder if there are more people who have sex with spirits or their spirit guides.

Hehehe if you want to see it from christian perspective go to wikipedia and type in "succubus" or "incubus"  :wink:

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Do they experience this as a good or a bad, or just as a nice waste of time?

It 100% depends on person's beliefs.

My personal belief is actually quite simple:
as long love rules I'm doing the right thing.

Quote from: ShynessMy personal belief is actually quite simple:
as long love rules I'm doing the right thing.

:thumbsup:  :cheerleader2:  :Iagree:

Below is an article about sex in the astral.  Thought some may like reading it.

ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE MANIPULATION
Part 1




By James Bartley ©2000

This treatise concerns the reptilian's manipulation of the Human Astral Dreamscape for the express purpose of promoting particular behaviors within the abductee. This subject deals with issues regarding sexuality, aggression, physical, emotional and psychological stress. This treatise will provide the most accurate information regarding reptilian operational methods that has ever been presented in history.

Astral Dreamscape Manipulation is a very pervasive form of behavior modification that most abductees experience at one time or another. Sadly, most abductees are oblivious to the fact that this is an aspect of behavior modification that is routinely practiced by the reptilians upon certain categories of abductees. Most disturbing, this type of manipulation is being perpetrated upon children. Doubtless the information contained in this treatise will generate a firestorm of controversy. I could care less.

Again, my writings are meant to be read by abductees with a Heightened Sense of Awareness. The manipulated muppets can go off and oscillate at a higher frequency for all I care. This treatise isn't meant for them. Their reptilian "familiars" would never let them read this and even if their familiars let them read it, the internet group list moderators and hosted abductee support group facilitators would not let them read it. So much for free will and choice. Just some more hive consciousness clichés.

The Draco-reptilian hive consciousness will simply not allow the abductees under their control to read this caliber of information. This is unfortunate since many with reptilian DNA are going through changes at this time. Their reptilian familiars are always on hand to ensure that the reptilian hybrids develop along the lines the reptilians want them too. Even if a reptilian hybrid baby was adopted and raised by warm loving human parents, his or her reptilian familiars will sooner or later make their presence felt and will try to turn that child into an obnoxious obscene "human being."

One of the principal methods of conditioning and behavior modification is through astral dreamscape manipulation. The Draco-reptilian hive consciousness will strive at all hazards to keep "their" hybrids under their control.

"A system that does not allow dissent also ignores dissenting information."
A quote by General Markus Wolf, the former director for East German Foreign Intelligence.

He might as well be describing the Draco-reptilian control over humans in general and reptilian hybrids in particular. The ironic thing is many of these hybrid "starseeds" always brag about how special and spiritually evolved they are never realizing that they never had a choice in the matter. Their overwhelming contempt and arrogance reveals them for what they are not to mention some of the perverted practices in their private lives.

Some have slipped through the cracks however. Some of my closest colleagues are reptilian hybrids that didn't allow themselves to be corrupted from within. It just shows that it is the quality of the SOUL that counts. Not the genetics.

I will describe how reptilians and reptilian host can invade the dreamscape and sexually assault humans. Doubtless there will be some who say this cannot be done. There is one reptilian host in particular that has said that my ideas about this have come from a movie starring Dennis Quaid called "Dreamscape." This naysayer is one of the worst offenders there is. He has been identified by more than one human female as having the ability to astral project himself into the astral dreamscape of a woman to either rape them or to sow fear and confusion into their dreamscape. I know another woman who has actually seen him "Shapeshift" for a brief instant.

He is what I refer to as a Dirty Reptilian Bumboy. He has propositioned female abductees and tried to encourage them to take part in videotaped sadomasochism sessions involving himself and another male. And yet to read his writings he comes off as an articulate reasonable individual, instead of the raping dirty reptilian bumboy that he is.

This "researcher" has told a personal friend of mine whom he tried to enlist in these debauched activities that taking part in sadomasochism sessions with multiple partners of both sexes allows the participant to develop more of a psychic link with the reptilians.

He said the reptilians would begin to appear to the participant more often if they take part in these sadomasochistic group sex activities. When my friend refused to participate, this "researcher" visited her that same night in his astral form and sat on the edge of the bed and smiled as a large reptilian brutally raped and sodomized my friend. My friend has a very pronounced psi ability which is why she is the subject of so much reptilian and human military interest. This Dirty Reptilian Bumboy has utilized numerous "notional identities" on the internet in order to shout down or marginalize the writings of those who are very familiar with the true nature of the reptilians.

He will alternately portray himself as an advocate of human freedom vis a vis the reptilians and on the other hand as someone who becomes incensed whenever anyone mentions "negative reptilians" and manifest online as a many headed viper under a hail of notional e-mail names. He will also send out links related to esoteric or occulted subjects in order to generate conversation or usually, provide himself an opportunity to comment about the subject matter himself.

He lurks on a number of internet group list devoted to UFO subjects to ensure that no meaningful discussion about reptilians is ever initiated and if necessary will generate a blizzard of that special brand of reptilian discord and chaos in order to stop those who are commenting about the reptilians from writing any further. His reptilian specialty is tormenting females on the various UFO list whilst hiding behind his various internet pseudonyms. What a gallant individual! With this Dirty Reptilian Bumboy we have a sneak preview of what censorship and media control will be like in the future. No dissenting opinions will be allowed under threat of slander, verbal abuse and physical and sexual punishment all under the guise of "Enlightenment and Spiritual Development."

He will even accuse his online enemies of having reptilian or Draco DNA if they mention having the ability to see the hosting entities overshadowing possessed human beings. He is the veritable embodiment of reptilian chaos, discord and sexual deviance and yet he has established himself as an expert on all things reptilian. He is an occulted practitioner along with some of his reptilian bumboy fellow "researchers" who likewise portray themselves as experts in the UFO field.

Keep all this in mind Dear Reader, when the "experts" in the UFO research field begin to attack my writings about the astral dreamscape manipulation of humans by reptilians and their alien vassals. If myself or my colleagues receive any more crap from this "researcher" I will release his name on the internet and provide interesting details of his private life.

The ability to astrally project oneself into the astral dreamscape of others for malevolent purposes has been practiced by Warlocks, Adepts and Sorceresses for centuries. There is nothing new about any of this. It is interesting to note that those who lend the most credence to dream visions from Indian Medicine Men or Eastern Mystics are the same ones who will be the most critical about my thesis that reptilians can manipulate the human astral dreamscape. They will agree with the notion that humans can have prophetic visions but anything that smacks of "negativity" in the astral dreamscape is merely a product of my warped imagination.

I challenge the readers to be honest with themselves when reading this material and ask yourselves if any of this may have happened to you. You may have brushed off the memories of what I'm about to describe as "bad dreams" or "strange erotic dreams" but I assure you, they are not. Astral Dreamscape Manipulation is intended to promote certain behaviors and tendencies within the targeted human abductee until these behaviors become an ingrained part of their character. If left unchecked, this process can lead to reptilian hosting.

Remember: Thoughts lead to words, words lead to actions, actions lead to character and character leads to DESTINY.

THE REPTILIANS HOLD THE TACTICAL HIGH GROUND

The reptilians hold the tactical "High Ground" in the astral dreamscape by dint of the fact that most humans are not lucid dreamers and the reptilians are "at home" in the astral dreamscape. Besides being paraphysical entities and mesmerizers par excellence, reptilians can shape and influence a dreamscape experience to suit their devious and sordid ends. Moreover the reptilians can further diminish what little lucidity and awareness humans may have in the dreamscape. The reptilians are intimately familiar with the way the Human Mind works and in particular how to create certain imagery or set the mood of a "dream."

With their psychic third eye vision they quickly do an "experience scan" in your memory banks prior to the abduction or dreamscape manipulation. Acting upon this pre-abduction intelligence, the reptilian may appear to the abductee as someone he or she had a crush on back in high school. At the same time her libido is revved up artificially by the reptilians.

Not only are they able to manipulate a human's erogenous zones but they are adept at manipulating the human endocrine system. Remember: Brain Wave function is regulated and controlled by certain hormones and alkaloids released into the brain and other parts of the body by certain glands.

Human Security Services are already using sonic waves to simulate particular brain wave patterns which trigger the release of hormones and alkaloids by particular glands nothing simpler. Humans can be made to have greater psi abilities merely by manipulating their brain waves and endocrine system. And all these New Age La Dee Dahs and Muppets think they have "developed" psychic abilities because of their contacts with their alien benefactors. As Barbie Bartholic points out, the reptilians know EVERYTHING about us.

They can manifest a credible simulation of a home from your childhood in order to set a certain tone, mood or feeling of familiarity. For example there can be two or more "human extras" standing around in your dreamscape childhood home. These "humans" are really reptilians assuming human disguises. (they wished they looked human) They will use familiar people in your dreamscape to lull you into a sense of security. Images of friends and relatives can be projected onto our dreamscape the same way electronic countermeasure pods on certain aircraft can project non-existent "bogies" onto the radar screens of the enemy in order to confuse or distract them from what is really going on. The are certain cues to watch for in the astral dreamscape.

Sometimes you can tell the "humans" are reptilians because there may be two that are about the same size and wearing the same or similar clothes as compared to a "leader" who may be slightly taller and always seems to be standing by your side or in front of you.

Often times they use the classic "interrogation" technique where they will sit directly across a table from the abductee and question them about their beliefs and propagandize them with the Reptilian Credo of Enlightenment through Physical and Spiritual Degradation. They can appear as humans, as military personnel, cloaked in robes or as full on reptilians. The lesser ranking reptilians usually stand behind the seated reptilian.

I along with a close friend who lives in the high desert was interrogated by three reptilians posing as high-ranking human military personnel. The "officers" were "seated" alongside each other in a high dais. They were flanked on one side by the federal flag with the yellow "admiralty maritime" braid and on the other side by some other flag. They kept "yelling" at us telepathically and directed most of their anger at me. I remember at one point turning to my friend and "thinking" to her: "Remember this. This is real, it's not a dream." Later we compared notes on the telephone. Based on similar accounts I have heard from other abductees and from what I remember from this particular experience, the entities were giving the impression of being "seated" behind a high dais as a means to conceal their tremendous height which is always a giveaway.

The leaders are usually conducting most of the psychic monologue to the abductee whereas the others just grunt or growl every now and then usually with a severe grimace or scowl on their faces. It's so difficult for them to conceal their utter contempt for humans.

We must learn to recognize when a dream is our own and when it is a "Stage-managed dream." The reptilians strive to immerse us in various dramas or scenarios which are meant to hold the attention of the percipient while at the same time weave in imagery and symbolism which is meant to promote certain behaviors and beliefs of which I will discuss in more detail later.

There is also a "filthiness factor" associated with the reptilians even though you may not see them in the dreamscape. The atmosphere seems to be saturated with their foul energy. What appears to be feces may be scattered on the floors. Bathroom or locker room scenes are typified by their filthiness. Large cockroaches and other bugs may be seen scurrying around in the astral dreamscape. Large Rats are often seen in a dreamscape polluted by the reptilians. These are just a few of the things that are described again and again in the astral dreamscape which create an atmosphere of foul malevolence whenever the reptilians are attempting to manipulate the human's perceptions and emotions. It is altogether apt if you ask me. Vermin such as huge cockroaches and rodents are symbolic of the putrid essence of the reptilians, sewer scum that they are. Indeed they intentionally use these types of illusions precisely because of the natural revulsion and fear it engenders within decent human beings. Tip there.

Human Awareness in the dreamscape suffers from what military fighter pilots refer to as "Cognitive Saturation." Cognitive Saturation occurs when a pilot of a high speed jet aircraft perceives too much visual stimuli at one time and in such a fashion as to not be able to properly control his speeding aircraft for a few critical seconds.

There may have been too many physical features that he perceived through his cockpit and Heads Up Display (HUD) at one time. Mountains, clouds, shimmering bodies of water, other aircraft, jet exhaust, flocks of birds, any or all of the above can contribute to momentarily flooding the visual senses of a human pilot. Add to this the stress of flying a high performance aircraft in realistic Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) training or in actual air to air combat and the margin for error is very slim indeed. Many pilots wind up dying in air crashes as a result of experiencing Cognitive Saturation for only a few seconds.

(The American public for various reasons is generally ignorant of the frequent air crashes suffered by the military. Some of the military's aircraft should have been retired DECADES ago.)

The reader must remember the importance of retaining conscious awareness during our dream life. We spend fully 1/3rd of our life asleep.

No self disgusting reptilian or mind controller would allow such an opportunity to slip by without at least attempting to manipulate The Mind, Body and Soul of a sleeping human that the reptilians and mind controllers want to control. Each abductee has a certain degree of usefulness to the reptilians, some more than others.

As is the case with professional athletes in such high speed sporting competitions as Downhill Skiing or Race car driving WE MUST BE ABLE TO SLOW DOWN "TIME" WITH OUR EYES I.E. REGULATE THE INFLUX OF VISUAL STIMULI AND FOCUS OUR DEPTH PERCEPTION WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE.

We've all heard accounts of great athletes describing the sensation of everything and everyone around them being in "slow motion" while they were performing some acrobatic feat in a football game or other athletic competition. They are accurately describing their ability to screen out extraneous or unnecessary visual stimuli and FOCUS THEIR WILL AND CONSCIOUS AWARENESS UPON THE IMMEDIATE TASK AT HAND.

Military Jet fighter planes have a very crowded "Heads Up Display" full of various computer graphics running simultaneously on their windshield. They can unconsciously block out all the unwanted data appearing on their screen and just focus their WILL and their Conscious Awareness on the data they want and the "bogey" they are after.

Keep all this in mind because the reptilians and their minions are masters of creating illusions, assuming disguises and dimming the awareness of human beings in or out of the astral dreamscape. In the dreamscape the reptilians can heighten the anxiety level of the abductee or promote mental sluggishness just as easily as if they were spinning the dial on an FM radio.

REPTILIAN ILLUSIONS IN THE ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE

The reptilians utilize illusion and disguises very frequently during physical abductions and in the astral dreamscape. Reptilians will often disguise themselves as old boyfriends, famous movie stars, musical artist etc. for the express purpose of raping human females. To provide an illustration of the ease in which the reptilians utilize illusions let us examine in close detail one of their favorite operational schemes.

Reptilians often bring human females to a place that has warm pools of water or what appear to be hot tubs or Jacuzzis. Human women are mass raped in these wading pool/hot tub environments. Artificial beach settings have been described by female abductees.

The critical reasoning faculty of the women has been switched off. It doesn't occur to them to question the possibility or likelihood that they are having a sexual encounter with a famous singer or actor. It's just an operational illusion that the reptilian is utilizing at the moment. Unless the woman wakes up with vaginal or anal soreness, involuntary discharges, bleeding, or a urinary tract infection, the woman may just brush off the memory as a strange erotic dream. Even then she may not associate the symptoms with the strange dream, if indeed she can even remember the dream!

Again we can borrow a term from military fighter pilots. In our example above, the abductee has lost "Situational Awareness" in the astral dreamscape because of the various and sundry methods of deception and manipulation and have become fair game for the reptilians.

It must be understood by the reader that there is PHYSICALITY in the astral dreamscape. Notice how a reptilian can seduce a woman or sodomize a man through layers of bed sheets, comforters and night clothes. They densify only those parts of their anatomy where and when they need to. They can be invisible in the visible spectrum and yet conduct forcible rape or sodomy that is a very real physical traumatic event to the human. The woman may see only an illusion of a famous entertainer or musical artist. There have been numerous cases of raping reptilians disguising themselves as Bruce Springsteen, Sting from the police, Tom Cruise and Tommy Lee Jones. Even Michael Jackson has been reported by credible female observers! On the other hand some woman may only see a close up of a hideous reptilian face and not be able to move or utter a sound.

And all this can go on with Tarzan lying sound asleep or otherwise immobilized and completely incapable of helping his significant other that is being sexually assaulted right next to him in the bed. If he's been properly programmed he will be of no help or support to his Lady and indeed can be quite abusive if that is what the reptilians want. In short Tarzan is a complete NO LOAD. Emotionally unavailable and even irritable when the subject of these "nightmares" and "experiences" are brought up, Tarzan becomes part of the problem instead of being a part of the solution.

VARIOUS PURPOSES FOR DREAMSCAPE MANIPULATION

Promoting fear is one of the most common and pervasive forms of reptilian dreamscape manipulation. This is ironic when you consider how often the Hive Consciousness tries to compel humans to "get over their fear."

The aforementioned Dirty Reptilian Bumboy spends all his online time trying to big shot his reading audience into believing humans are just "evolved reptiles" and cites the abundance of "ancient reptilian architecture" and "mytho-histories" as his proof that reptilians are spiritually evolved beings who are largely responsible for civilizing humans despite the fact that reptilians strive at all hazards to keep their very existence secret. Leave it to the UFO Research Community to not spot this apparent contradiction.

This dirty reptilian bumboy leads a double life. On the one hand he is an articulate urbane "Researcher" and on the other hand he lives out a demonic psychic existence replete with occultic rituals, sadomasochism, astrally raping women and creating FEAR and FILTH in the astral dreamscape.

He meditates upon the mental image or a photograph of a woman he wants to rape or a man he wants to sodomize. He is an occultic practitioner and performs many of these rituals during Pagan holidays. I would be amazed if even two percent of the so called UFO Research Community is aware that reptilian host can do these things.

The dirty reptilian bumboy then astrally projects into the dreamscape of the human woman and proceeds to perpetrate his vile acts of evil and perversion. The dirty reptilian bumboy that I've been writing about is secretly proud of his ability to engage in these kinds of diabolical activities. He often does his dreamscape raping in tandem with his real life "alter ego," another dirty reptilian bumboy who likewise fancies himself a "UFO EXPERT" or as he prefers "an INNER EARTH RESEARCHER." The latter is more apt because this individual is another reptilian host who also practices black magick. Exactly the kind of individual you'd expect to come out of the bowels of the Earth to assault human women.

From the standpoint of what I call "Psychic Security" it is dangerous and reckless to send photographs by mail or internet to people who may be reptilian host. The reptilian host can detect the residual energy signature in the photograph and subsequently develop a psychic link with the person in the photo. In occultic circles, this is known as an "Object Link."

If the abductee is in e-mail or telephonic communications with this host they are actually making it easier for the reptilian host to enter their dreamscape and perpetrate all manner of vile and perverted actions.

I once had the energy drained out of me after listening to a ten minute message on my phone machine left by an angry and frustrated female reptilian host that I had identified years ago. For some reason I make reptilian host very agitated. The telephone and the internet are merely electromagnetic conduits and the reptilians make full use of this when trying to manipulate and control humans. A common ploy is to have manipulated muppet abductees call up the hard core spiritual warrior abductees on the phone several times a day to waste their time and drain them of energy.

Astral Sex is physical sex. Although it may sound like a paradox, it isn't if you understand how frequency and resonance works. Many women wake up in the morning after being raped by a reptilian feeling soreness in their vaginas and sometimes in their rectums as well. The entire sordid experience may seem to the female abductee as merely an unusually erotic "dream" despite the physical discomfort. If that isn't mind control I don't know what is.

This dirty reptilian bumboy indulges in astral rapes. That's fine. I'll have his reptilian scalp one of these days. Depending on the women involved, these kinds of unwanted nocturnal rapes can create much fear and trepidation and be seriously disruptive of normal sleep patterns. Other women develop effective countermeasures and have even been known to exact some measure of revenge against these reptilian hosts.

Fear is also promoted through a seemingly endless stream of "mind games" perpetrated to confuse or intimidate the female abductee going through these astral rapes. The reptilian may create dreamscape scenarios where he lurks in the background and observes as the human goes through one manipulated drama after another. The reptilians like to stand off to the side and laugh amongst themselves at the psychodramas they are putting the abductee through. The reptilians literally feed off of our fear and anxiety which is reason enough for them to create these types of dreamscape scenarios.

Promiscuity is also programmed into abductees including pre-teens. The reptilians can turn up the sexual arousal mechanism in humans with little or no effort. The sexual arousal mechanism is activated within humans while at the same time, the human finds himself or herself in an "erotic" dream.

Through telepathic suggestion and perceptual manipulation the abductee is led into a scenario where they are encouraged whilst in this highly aroused state, to engage in sexual activity. The sexual activity the abductee is led into may involve reptilians, grays, alien-human hybrids and in some cases with other abductees. There are numerous variations of this type of scenario.

These erotic dreamscape manipulations can occur for several nights running. Or they can occur intermittently over a protracted period of time lasting weeks, months and years.
Not only will the abductee have these kinds of erotic dreams and act upon them in the dreamscape but also he or she will receive erotic mental imagery even during their waking hours. Telepathic suggestions will be utilized to encourage the abductee to engage in sexual intercourse. This particular form of conditioning is particularly effective on women.

A human female that has been conditioned in this fashion can become extremely promiscuous for an extended period of time. Needless to say, this creates a situation where the woman can be set up in a series of self-destructive negative relationships full of high drama and conflict. Not only will the reptilians feed off the anxiety and stress engendered within the woman but they will also feed off the sexual energy generated during the woman's many sexual experiences with different partners.

I know of cases where young pre-adolescent girls have undergone this kind of astral dreamscape manipulation. Night after night they are having "dreams" involving sexual activity to the point where they become preoccupied with thoughts of sex at all times of the day. They may begin to masturbate to such an extent that their parents notice this change in their behavior. They may even ask their parents questions involving sexuality.

There have been instances when young girls undergoing this kind of manipulation have been known to hide beneath the bed of their parents hoping that the latter will engage in sexual intercourse. The young girl may become an exhibitionist, walking around the house nude in front of her siblings.

We are talking simple cause and effect here. Since the reptilians have the ability to stimulate the erogenous zones of even pre-adolescent girls and bombard the mind with erotic imagery, the young girl in our example is incapable of doing anything except act out all the feelings and implanted suggestions she is given by her reptilian handlers. In a situation such as I have just described, it is incumbent upon the mother to be a source of guidance and support to the child who is undergoing these evil manipulations by the reptilians.


VIOLENCE PROMOTED WITHIN THE DREAMSCAPE


Violent and sociopathic behaviors can also be promoted through astral dreamscape manipulation. Children, teenagers and adults can be shown images of blood and gore in the astral dreamscape and can even be compelled to participate in violent scenarios in which the abductee is made to either watch or take part in horrific acts of violence.

The reptilians can use the image of a child's parents whilst they perpetrate acts of physical and sexual abuse upon the child. (In case the reader is wondering, the descriptions of psychosexual abuse given by the children has been obtained by parents with a heightened sense of awareness about the abduction syndrome. The reptilians typically mete out their reprisals upon the children of abductees who are actively resisting them.) Later I will discuss in more detail how sexuality can be manipulated to the extent of altering the sexual orientation of certain humans.

Regarding violence as a conditioned response, I know personally an adult male who was made to kill his wife and children again and again in the astral dreamscape. The killings would always be done in a gory vicious fashion. His waking hours were no relief either as "voices in his head" urged him to act on the "fantasies" he'd been having and murder his entire family. He told me that he could understand how someone could be made to kill after they had been subjected to this type of treatment for awhile.

Violent tendencies within males can be fostered by this type of manipulation. It is especially useful if the male is the partner of a female abductee that the reptilians want to keep in a state of physical and sexual degradation. The reptilians will use Tarzan as their proxy handler. Often times, if Tarzan is hosted himself or if he is being plied with deviant erotic mental imagery, he will begin to manifest deviant sexual desires including acting out fantasies of bondage and discipline upon his hapless girlfriend or wife. Vulgarity, sexual perversion and the need to control others are hallmarks of the reptilian influence upon human beings.

Violent tendencies can also be promoted within male abductees undergoing the "Alien Love Bite." Barbara Bartholic and Eve Lorgen have made in depth studies of this form of alien manipulation.

During the latter stages of the Love Bite manipulation, a male abductee can become enraged at the female he has become obsessed with. The aliens will send images into the mind of the male abductee of his targeted love bite partner having sexual intercourse with another man. It is as if a videotape is playing in the mind of the male abductee which is designed to drive him crazy with rage.

Abductees can be made to eat what appears to be raw meat, bloody "pancakes" or even human body parts such as hands in the astral dreamscape. Abductees have been known to suffer extreme nausea lasting for weeks or months after being subjected to this kind of manipulation. I cannot stress enough the importance of never eating or drinking anything in the astral dreamscape.

SEXUAL CONDITIONING OF ABDUCTEES

The final part of this treatise deals with the most controversial aspect of the reptilian astral dreamscape manipulation of humans. This is the conditioning of a certain percentage of humans towards adopting homosexuality as well as Sadomasochism and its related behaviors as an alternative lifestyle. Pedophilism can even be programmed into the abductee via this dreamscape manipulation.

Here comes the disclaimer and I'd like the reader to read this part twice so there is no misunderstanding.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT ALL HOMOSEXUALS, BISEXUALS, SADOMASOCHIST OR BONDAGE AND DISCIPLINE AFFICIANADOS WERE CONDITIONED TO INDULGE IN THESE ACTIVITIES BECAUSE OF THE REPTILIANS. I AM MERELY SAYING THAT A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF HUMANS ARE SUBJECTED BY THE REPTILIANS TO A FORM OF ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE AND SEXUAL MANIPULATION WHICH HAS FOSTERED AN INCLINATION TOWARDS ADOPTING THESE ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLES. LIKEWISE CERTAIN ABDUCTEES CAN BE MANIPULATED INTO DEVELOPING A PROPENSITY TOWARDS PEDOPHILISM. BY NO MEANS ARE THESE TACTICS EFFECTIVE AGAINST ALL ABDUCTEES.

I will now describe how this is done. I mentioned earlier how the reptilians are able to "turn up" the sexual arousal mechanism in humans. This is an absolutely critical point to understand. Another is the fact that the reptilians and their alien vassals can ensure that an abductee remain single and celibate for extended periods of time. The reptilians have been known to alter the olfactory senses of female abductees to such an extent that they will react negatively and be immediately repulsed by the scent of human male pheromones.

By the same token a male abductee that has had his endocrine system altered can emit pheromones that will literally repel women. This is not conjecture or speculation. Thus we have male abductees who can have their libido manipulated at will by the reptilians and yet be unwittingly forced into extended periods of celibacy. This sets the stage for the astral dreamscape manipulations which may lead to this person's conscious or unconscious adoption of AN alternative lifestyle.

A male abductee will find himself in an astral dreamscape environment that is highly charged with sexual energy. He himself becomes aroused as the reptilians manipulate his libido. The male abductee will find himself in a bedroom setting. Oftentimes the bed will be large and circular. There may be one or two beautiful women lying on the end.

As he approaches the women, they begin to assume very seductive postures and positions on the bed. The male will find himself extremely aroused. He may begin to hear telepathic suggestions encouraging him to engage in intercourse with one of the women.

He will position himself so as to penetrate the woman. AT EXACTLY THE SAME INSTANT HE PENETRATES THE WOMAN, HE FEELS AN INTENSE PAIN IN HIS ANUS AS A REPTILIAN BEING SODOMIZES HIM. At this point the male abductee often times wakes up from the pain he feels. He feels an icky tingling energy in the bedroom and feels this energy throughout his whole body as if it had tried to penetrate his very being, but is now exiting his body. The icky tingly energy seems to hover directly over him but gradually begins to dissipate and finally goes away.

He may ponder and reflect on what just occurred. His pain and discomfort is real enough but he may not be able to relate his discomfort to the unusual erotic "dream" he just had. Soon after, the male abductee has another dream. This time he may be walking around in a large sparsely furnished house with a number of rooms. He may wander into a living room area and see a very attractive woman wearing lingerie sitting on a lazy boy lounge chair. There may be other people wandering around the house too. The male begins to feel aroused and the scantily clad woman beckons him to engage in sexual intercourse but since there are others walking around the house, the male is reluctant to engage in intercourse.

Finally he submits to the entreaties of the sexy woman and begins to kiss and caress her. She adopts a sexually provocative pose on the floor or on the lazy boy. He positions himself to have sex with the "woman" (as we shall see later, often times these women are not really women at all) and once again, the moment he penetrates her vagina, he feels intense pain in his anus as he himself is penetrated by a reptilian. The sodomizing reptilian is often times invisible during these activities.

Once again the male abductee immediately wakes up. Again, the room and his body are saturated with this icky tingly energy which seems to ooze out of his own pores. This time he is concerned because this is the second time this has happened to him. He knows that something is going on but can't figure out exactly what it is. He is concerned but he also begins to experience certain feelings and emotions during his waking hours.

He may begin to wonder what it feels like to engage in homosexual activity but quickly dismisses the thought from his mind. He may have "random" thoughts enter into his mind about the nature of pain and how it might be transformed into pleasure if a method is developed or introduced that will bridge the gap between the two. Of course, these are not HIS ideas. His reptilian "Familiars" are telepathically suggesting this to him. In a synchronistic fashion he may be exposed to certain types of literature or film which endorses or seemingly legitimizes in his mind this kind of lifestyle.

Soon the male abductee finds himself in another "dream." He once again finds himself in an erotic dreamscape with one or more willing partners.The women once again adopt certain positions to facilitate sexual intercourse.By now, the abductee, because of his previous experiences in the astral dreamscape which he can now remember, has consciously or unconsciously associated Heterosexual Intercourse WITH PAIN because of what the reptilians have done to him in the past each time he attempted heterosexual intercourse. He may be reluctant to engage in sexual intercourse for fear of the possible consequences and resultant pain that heterosexual intercourse engenders. This is an absolutely essential point to understand about all this: The concept of Heterosexual Intercourse has become associated with PAIN in the mind of the male abductee being thus manipulated.

Now the male abductee is reluctant to engage in heterosexual intercourse. However he is still in a very aroused state of being. The women are there and he is being telepathically encouraged to engage in sexual activity with them. So the male abductee arrives at a compromise. Instead of engaging in coitus with the women he decides to penetrate their orifices with his fingers.

So he penetrates the vagina of one of the women with his fingers and again, he feels simultaneous pain in his anus! He quickly withdraws his fingers and realizes that the entity probing him from behind has simultaneously withdrawn its member from his anus. He soon realizes that he can regulate the rate of penetration and the depth of penetration into his own anus merely by inserting his fingers in the vagina of the woman. His actions with the woman seem to synchronize with the anal probing that he is experiencing. Meanwhile he is receiving telepathic suggestions encouraging him to go along with it. "Go ahead, you know you really want to do it" or "its just a dream, go ahead, nothing will happen to you," or "it doesn't hurt that bad, keep doing it, it gets better."

He may continue in this fashion for a short while but then he stops, either out of revulsion or because he has reached a certain pain threshold.

The next time he finds himself in the dreamscape, he may find himself with women again but during the activity, one or all of the women "shapeshift" into a hermaphrodite type being i.e. one with both male and female sexual organs.

This "shapeshift" occurs whilst he is in a highly aroused state of being. This metamorphosis may occur as he is inserting his fingers into the vagina or anus of the "woman." Sometimes the male abductee may be momentarily taken aback by this sudden transformation but due to the conditioning both in the dreamscape and the telepathic suggestions and erotic homosexual imagery in his mind's eye during normal waking consciousness, he may decide to continue engaging in sexual activity. His reptilian familiars will still be encouraging him to continue this activity and will even encourage him to try this, that or the other sexual activity with the hermaphrodite.

Soon, whether it's this dreamscape experience or the next, the hermaphrodites may completely shapeshift into males. The reptilian sodomizing the male abductee may also materialize in the visual spectrum but as a man instead of a reptilian. That will come later if they so choose.

All of this has taken place over a period of weeks, months and years. By now the male has lost any interest in heterosexual intercourse. If the reptilians intend to turn this individual into a practicing sado-masochist/bondage and discipline practitioner they will begin to emphasize these kinds of activities within the astral dreamscape and in the mental imagery he receives during his conscious waking hours. The male abductee may be sodomized quite violently or he may witness other male abductees violently sodomized. Reptilians have literally been described wearing studded leather jackets in some of these dreamscape scenarios.

It must be understood by the reader that reptilians, despite all the propaganda espoused by their hive consciousness muppets, are very much mired in the lower chakras of existence. These are beings that are absolutely driven to sexually control humans and manipulate every aspect of their existence if they have the opportunity. The astral dreamscape manipulation of human beings is just one aspect of their methodology.

We haven't even discussed the relationship that crystal methedrine and "crank" have with the reptilians. Crystal methedrine and crank have a "Sympathetic Resonance" with the reptilians. Have you ever wondered why many cranksters and speed freaks become involved in acts of mayhem and sexual violence? Its because prolonged use of these kinds of amphetamines leads to the user becoming a "Host" for a reptilian entity.

The entity utilizes the host as a vehicle to wreak all kinds of mayhem and sexual violence and deviance upon society. Indeed crystal meth and crank use is the FAST TRACK TO BECOMING HOSTED BY A REPTILIAN ENTITY. Forget about occultic rituals and group meditations at vortex areas. This is the best (or worst) way to become a full on reptilian host. I have spoken to a mental health professional who told me that many people in the state hospital where this person worked were speed freaks who confidentially spoke of "the spirits" that told them to commit their crimes. Many people who use crank have confessed that their sexual desires became more and more deviant as time went on. They began to visit the child pornography sites on the internet or began to mentally sexualize women in a sadomasochistic and bondage and discipline fashion. I will discuss in more detail below how some abductees can be turned into pedophiles by the reptilians but this is a good opportunity to discuss how the reptilians and their alien vassals keep people addicted to certain forms of substance abuse.

DRUGS IN THE DREAMSCAPE

In my previous writings I alluded to the promotion of substance abuse amongst abductees by the reptilians. Sorcery by any other name is still sorcery. In the strictest sense, Sorcery refers to the use of natural or artificial substances by humans in order to attain a certain level of consciousness as a means of establishing and maintaining contact with non-human intelligences. I will now point out how astral dreamscape manipulation can and will be used to keep abductees of both sexes hooked on various drugs including but not limited to alcohol, crystal methedrine, crank, cocaine and marijuana.

If an abductee has given up alcohol for awhile, he may have dreams where he is drinking booze. Not just drinking beers but guzzling whiskey out of a bottle. The dreamscape environment might be simulated to look like a favorite pub or hangout. During this dreamscape experience, the abductee may be drinking with what appear to be old drinking buddies he hasn't seen in years. He may wake up in the morning with a hangover or a tremendous headache.

The ritualistic aspect of marijuana usage is exploited big time by the reptilians in the astral dreamscape. An abductee will find himself in a dream where he is back in a "party house" he used to hang out at as a teenager for example. Again, the reptilians have scanned his memories and know exactly how to create a reasonable facsimile of this party house. Everything including the Led Zeppelin posters on the wall will be simulated.

The abductee's party buddies as they appeared years ago will be present. Here is where the ritualistic aspect of pot use comes into play. The abductee will find a bag of pot in his pocket. He will pull it out and begin the ritual of removing the seeds and the stems or depending on the quality of the dreamscape pot, pull out little scissors and begin cutting up the buds. Every nuance of the joint rolling or pipe stuffing ritual is re-enacted in minute detail. Finally, the group gathers around in a circle and begins the ritual of smoking the pot and passing it around. The duration of these experiences are the same as if it were being done in real life with each smoker expectantly waiting for their next hit of pot.

When the abductee wakes up shortly thereafter (this is usually done in the late morning so the memory is still fresh) he may actually feel as if he's high on pot for few minutes. The reason he may feel high albeit momentarily is because the reptilians can manipulate brain chemistry in order to simulate the feeling of being under the influence of any drug they choose. They will even inject or otherwise introduce the drug into the sleeping abductee.

Barbara Bartholic actually has cases where the abductee woke up with powder under their noses or remembered seeing grays injecting them and telling them they were being injected with Crank!

For this and many other reasons, crystal methedrine and crank are some of the most difficult drugs to quit. When an individual is on speed they resonate at a different frequency than they ordinarily would. Excess nervous frenetic energy oozes out of the crank user which is assimilated greedily by any and all reptilians that are present in or out of the visible spectrum. Speed makes people paranoid and easier to manipulate. Some crank users begin to develop deviant sexual thoughts and desires and may begin acting on them. In some cases, crank users have found it well nigh impossible to stay off of the child porno sites on the internet.

Crank users are manipulated into becoming violent and unpredictable thus creating an environment of high drama and tension for the other family members in the household. The wives or girlfriends of crank users who have become hosted have described how they suddenly realized that the individual they were living with "was not the same man I married." This comes up so often that it cannot be ascribed merely to some kind of hundredth monkey effect. More like a hundredth reptilian host effect. The woman will notice that her crankster boyfriend or husband has developed extremely deviant sexual desires which he wants to try on "his" mate. "He's not the same man I married." No doubt.

When the speed user decides to quit using the drug, that's when the astral dreamscape manipulation kicks in that is tailor made to keep him on crank or crystal meth. There really is no need to elaborate on it suffice to say that they ensure that the user in the dreamscape is always in a situation where the drug is being used by himself and others or he is always in possession of the drug. Whether he's sitting in a dreamscape parking lot, theater, park or classroom, the former user will always find that he has his drug of choice in his possession. Pretty soon the crank user begins using again in "the real world" and the whole miserable cycle begins anew.

PEDOPHILISM IN THE ASTRAL DREAMSCAPE

Pedophilism is promoted much the same way as mentioned above. A man may find himself in an erotic dreamscape scenario with a woman. He begins to caress and fondle the woman. He is in a highly aroused state of being. The woman he is with contrives to make the man lie on his back and she mounts him while he is in a fully aroused state. However, the moment the woman mounts him and he penetrates her vagina, the woman shapeshift into a young child. Sometimes the woman will shapeshift into the man's own daughter.

Other times the man may be kissing and caressing a woman and then the woman will shapeshift into a young teenage boy. The man will be taken aback by this sudden change of events and pull back. Meanwhile a voice in his mind will be encouraging him to continue caressing this young boy. The voice will tell him things like "Go ahead. Its just a dream. Go ahead, no one will know." The male's erogenous zone is being manipulated by the reptilians all the while in order to keep him in this highly aroused state.

In the case of a female abductee, she may be having an erotic dream with her "ideal man" or someone she has a crush on in real life. One thing leads to another and right before she begins performing fellatio on the dream guy, he shapeshift into a young boy or in some cases, into her own son.

There are numerous variations of this form of astral dreamscape manipulation.
Suffice it to say that it is all meant to encourage that individual to begin indulging himself or herself in pedophilism.

HEIGHTENED AWARENESS PREVENTS IT FROM WORKING

I found this fascinating insight in the classic book "The Art of War"
by Sun Tzu which was interpreted and translated by General Samuel B. Griffith USMC Retired.

"All warfare is based on deception. A skilled general must be master of the complimentary arts of simulation and dissimulation; while creating shapes to confuse and delude the enemy, he conceals his true dispositions and ultimate intent. When capable he feigns incapacity; when near he makes it appear that he is far away; when far away, that he is near. Moving as intangibly as a ghost in the starlight, he is obscure, inaudible. His primary target is the mind of the opposing commander; the victorious situation, a product of his creative imagination. Sun Tzu realized that an indispensable preliminary to battle was to attack the mind of the enemy."

General Griffith might as well have been writing about Astral Dreamscape Manipulation by the Reptilians.All of the methods I've mentioned above have been used again and again by the reptilians and their alien vassals. Those abductees who haven't developed nausea or suffered a migraine and have actually finished this treatise now have the information they need to protect themselves from this form of manipulation and behavior conditioning.

Intelligence, especially operational intelligence, is worthless if it doesn't get to the people who have the most need for it. History has proven this time and again. The reptilians come out at night to assault us and manipulate us in the astral dreamscape. To paraphrase Mao:

"When humans sleep, the reptilians attack. When we are awake, the reptilians retreat"


The tide has turned. More and more spiritual warriors are awakening to the reality of the reptilian overlordship. Our ability to fight the reptilians on something approaching equal terms in the astral dreamscape is becoming more evident every night. Myself and the team I am a part of will continue to provide operational intelligence to the abductees with a heightened sense of awareness. I can assure the reader that they will not find this kind of information at a UFO conference unless my colleagues or myself is present. The UFO Research Community is a reptilian stronghold polluted with hive consciousness muppets spewing out hive clichés with boring regularity.

Our team has decided to bypass the mainstream UFO community and take this information straight to the people. So beware all of you dirty reptilian bumboys in the UFO research community and in the astral dreamscape. We are going to expose you for what you are. The TRUTH to a reptilian-reptilian hive consciousness muppet is like sunlight to a vampire or kryptonite to Superman. The Truth is anathema to the reptilians.

Oh no.. not the reptilian things again..... Arrrrrrghhh..  :brickwall:

I think that was the longest single post I've ever seen on these forums.  :yikes2:

Perhaps next time you can simply give a brief summary of your thoughts (like 4-5 sentences) and then a link to this page(s) wherever copied them from? Or maybe simply type the highlights of what you think regarding this topic?

Highlight words like overlordship and dirty reptilian bumboys in the UFO research community and in the astral dreamscape.  

:grin:

I don't understand - what is he doing in our reptilian forum?..  :lol:

wow, that reptilian thing is "interesting"  :lol:

I wonder if James Bartley has any reptilian friends, or maybe his doctor is a reptilian?

I think the reptilians are nice to me because as a child, I used to keep gecko lizards as pets and feed them flies.   :smile:

I used to catch Horny Toads, blue tail lizards and skinks....does that count? :grin:

Quote from: Adrian
So there might be a thousand of more of "you" in the Astral at the same time. Just as soul mates are attracted to each other; so to would "all of you", and very often it is aspects of "you" that are your "guides", which can be thought of as "cheerleaders" in the Astral.

So in fact all of these experiences can easily be with yourself  :grin:

Adrian.

Had to read the entire thread again to catch this, thank you for the insight Adrian.
Over the years I've dream't about a "soul mate", they seemed like very real lucid experiences, as if the person was a long time friend.

I don't mention to my spouse, "hey honey, I had another dream about my soul mate", I don't think that's very constructive, however, I hope that my spouse enjoys similar dream experiences. I'll think of a way to open the conversation sometime.

I guess that "awareness" "hp" etc. etc. are one and the same person, with the same fears and obsessions?

Quote:
This subject deals with issues regarding sexuality, aggression, physical, emotional and psychological stress. This treatise will provide the most accurate information regarding reptilian operational methods that has ever been presented in history.

But my original post doesn't deal with that at all.
I was actually only dealing with my own doubts and insecurity.

Spirits and spirit guides can be loving.
If your deceased grandmother visits you,
why should you freak out and think it's a demon?
Why all these freakshows based on fear and not on love?

I think my own approach to life and the spiritual world is totally different.
It's a world that taught me love and forgiveness.
It's a world that learned me to love myself and to trust my intuition.

I also think that only a rational approach doesn't help me any further.
It's much more easier for me to rely on my intuition.

But sex with a spirit (guide), well that was something I've never heard of.
It's actually not much different than sex with a good friend.
Because there's trust and you respect one another.
Although there might be a danger that you fall in love and you forget to live in the real world.
But if a spirit guide is really a spirit guide he won't let that happen.
And if he isn't a spirit guide, perhaps he's someone who loves me.
Someone who wants to help me with certain issues.
And since everything he does or says is based on love it's not really scary.
The aggression and judgements from other human beings are far more scary.

Anyway, I've been reading a lot of opinions and quotes in this thread.
But how many of you had the same sort of experiences?
How many of do know their spirit guides?
How many of you have had a sexual relationship with them?

Did it any good?
Did it harm you?
And why?

About God, Jesus, Love and the Light,
that's the world my spirit guide always refers to.
It's the world that inspires him and makes him radiate love.
He won't run away if he would see Jesus.
Of course not, because Jesus is one of his inspirators.
Like of many others who live from their hearts.

And another thing...

Sex isn't the same as rape.
A spirit isn't the same as a demon.
Enjoying sex isn't the same as being obsessed.

I think some people don't really see the difference between good and evil.
They don't see it, so it's evil.
They don't know it, so they judge it.

Actually James' post (thanks :-) perfectly described
how to handle things like this.
Be silent, be still, listen to your inner self
and to the answer that comes from within.

I think that being alert and to live from our hearts is the best approach ever.
That makes us see where love stops and where evil starts,
that makes us realize if we're on the right path or not.

What happens if you don't believe in demons or posession?  What does it become then.. your true self, seeking it out?

I don't think you need to "believe" anything,
you only need to read someone's energy.
Then you know if you're in good or bad company,
whether in daily life, whether in the spiritual or astral world.

Quote from: ShynessI don't think you need to "believe" anything,
you only need to read someone's energy.
Then you know if you're in good or bad company,
whether in daily life, whether in the spiritual or astral world.

I believe that is true.  :grin:

Dear Shyness

I respect your truth. I have a question or two for you:

What do Evolved afterlife/physical people do?

Have astral sex with physical/afterlife people?

Apparently no, they help other souls all the time to move up to higher spiritual levels.  There are hundreds of levels of afterlife consciousness for in-between lives people.

Find out:

http://www.astralpulse.com/thedirectvoice/RevDraytonThomas.wma

http://www.astralpulse.com/thedirectvoice/JohnBrown.wma

http://www.astralpulse.com/thedirectvoice/MahatmaGandhi.wma

http://www.astralpulse.com/thedirectvoice/GeorgeBriggs.wma

Also

http://astralpulse.com/directvoicerecordings.html

has more.

Respectfully,
learning

And what would you have said if there wasn't any sex involved?
Or let's say that my spirit guide was a human being,
my professor for instance and I would have had sex with him.
Would you also be shocked?
Because professors don't have sex?
Do you really thinks that there's no sex at all in other dimensions?
Do you think that all sex is raw and loveless?

No, sex is energy and energy exchange.
With energy you could love someone or harm someone.
With our pure instincts we can kill another human being,
or we can build things up or try to reach or goals.
Energy isn't good or evil.
It depends on HOW you use the energy.

And why you always quote other people?
What about your OWN experience?
What did you learn from that?
What did love teach you?
What do your wife, you children, friends and family teach you?
What did your own interactions with the Divine teach you?

Or do you only talk about God and Love without experiencing a thing?
And yes, I talk about love, not about sex.
Because that's the language of the other world.

I also wonder how you approach human relationships.
In the same stern way or with a little bit more understanding and compassion?

If your wordly point of view is the same as your spiritual point of view
we will never ever understand each other.
But if you're able to describe your relationships with other human beings,
if you're able to define love and to show love, then  we can talk.
Because love is my way of living, at least I try to,
with or without spirit guide.

Quote from: learningApparently no, they help other souls all the time to move up to higher spiritual levels.  There are hundreds of levels of afterlife consciousness for in-between lives people.

Hi learning

Welcome to the Forums.  You've added your first post in a very interesting and somewhat emotive thread!  :grin:

I am wondering with regard to your quote.  How do you know that evolved/afterlife physical people only help other souls all the time?  Have you met them all?  

Why wouldn't they *show love* to physical people (through the act of sex)?  Sex for many physical people equates to a loving and caring offering.  If the afterlife people are aware of this (and you must assume they are given their evolvement as you put it), then what better way to gain the trust and love of a physical person by showing them physical love - as well as spiritual, emotional and mental love.

In fact, the sexual act CAN be an act of pure lovemaking.  As in making love.  

Wouldn't you say the higher/evolved beings are all about love?  I know most would agree with this.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what you say (for I don't know enough about higher/evolved beings).  I have a "guide".  He's male.  I would class him as my "pal".   He's ridiculously down to earth with a fantastic sense of humour.  He's "normal" to me.  

I believe that there are many many different types out there in the "astral" - just like there are many many different types down here on planet earth.  As long as we feel comfortable with where we are and who we are with - and as long as we continue to use our intuition - then I think we can't go far wrong.

Sarah

I don't think that "learning" is "new" to the forum.
He already used 4 or 5 different nick names in this thread, which I find quite annoying and not very "evolved".

Perhaps I'd better leave out the sexual part and concentrate on the things that really matter to me.
I also like to leave out the good/evil part,
because that's a matter of distinguishing energy.
And that's more suitable for another kind of topic.

The new question is: what is a spirit guide?
Is it our Higher Self or is it another (godsent) entity that helps us on a spiritual level?
How do we recognize our spirit guides, how do we communicate with them?
What do we learn from them?
Is it nececassary to know them or do they also help us when we're not aware of them?
And last but not least: what are your OWN experiences with spirit guides?

My own experiences are all about communication, learning, insights about all parts of life, including fear, sorrow, love, sex, and the whole range of human emotions and experiences.
We most of all talk about it, like one would do with a friend, a teacher, or something in between.

For me spiruality is something that is happening right here, right now.
All that I know and assume to know is based on experience and not on philosphical pondering and the books I've read.

Sarah, thanks for you post :-)

This makes sense to me.
Especially your remark that sex may be an act of LOVE.
But some people think that all astral stuff is demonic stuff, and that sex is nothing more than raw animal instinct.
If someone gives sex so less credits, I wonder how on earth they could have a satisfying love life with their lovers or a spouses.

Sex and sexual expression, freeing ourselves from sexual traumas and anxieties can ALSO spiritual healing.
Learning to LOVE in any way, with our mind, our heart and our body, right here, right now, that's also a very important in life.

I think that spirit guides can help us with that.
They don't make love to us because they need to o have sex,
spirit guides ain't the guys from our local pub, it are entities that CARE about us, they show their love and help us through the issues that bother and block us.

Perhaps it's an interesting question to ask whether sex stops in after life.
And how God, the angels and saints think about sex,
about or sexual problems on earth and about a spiritually balanced kind of sex.

I wonder if anyone who is judgemental about sex (no matter on what level) has ever thought about this seriously.
because it's very important to know ourselves, in every way, before we can move on to a higher level of consciousness.

To Sarah:  Thank you so much.  I believe you are right, in that some do have astral sex besides helping others.

To Shyness:  I love you.  All your perceptions are a perfect mirror of the infinite expressions of divine love.:)

IMO, the only being that would show love in a sexual manner, would either be a living human that is projecting or a ghost that is vibrating on a very low energy level and was, when alive, a sexual predator or sexually defunct in some way while alive.  

They are just hanging out waiting for the next niave person to come by and get drawn into their drama.  I'd say, get away as quickly as you can, because sooner or later, the real reason behind all this...sex will become evident.

Interesting....the different points of views.