subconsciousness and consciousness

[Karas]

I was just thinking about the consciousness and subconsciousness and I think we got it wrong. In the dictionary it stated:

the totality of mental processes of which the individual is not aware; unreportable mental activities.

This sounds very much like our normal state where we think we are our thoughts. We are always lost in thought and never in the present moment.

Here's what consciousness means:

the state of being conscious; awareness of one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, surroundings, etc.

Our thoughts should be the subconsciousness not our "Being". And when we stop the voices in the head and stay present we are fully consciousness and aware of our surroundings.      

I found this idea intresting and thought I'll share ^_^

Mind you there are others that say similar thing but it's mostly "unconsciousness" vs "consciousness"    


Note:
I think I just misunderstood the meaning of subconsciousness but i already posted the topic -_-

[Selea]

This sounds very much like our normal state where we think we are our thoughts. We are always lost in thought and never in the present moment.

A) The subconscious in psychology it doesn't exist in the terms used today by many people. It exists only the conscious and unconscious (at it should be, only lately the term subconscious has taken a "life" of its own, I will explain this in brief). If you speak with a good psychologist about the subconscious he will think you are speaking of the unconscious.

"If someone talks of subconsciousness, I cannot tell whether he means the term topographically – to indicate something lying in the mind beneath consciousness – or qualitatively – to indicate another consciousness, a subterranean one, as it were. He is probably not clear about any of it [ED: well, this "unclear" thinking has come also from some students of Freud that later have termed the unconscious as the subconscious]. The only trustworthy antithesis is between conscious and unconscious." - Sigmund Freud, The Question of Lay Analysis

B) The subconscious/unconscious it is "under" (or "above", choose yourself) the mental, astral (so the subconscious of the new-age) and physical consciousness. These are still part of the conscious. So, thoughts are still part of the conscious. Many magicians use the term subconscious and unconscious as if meaning the same thing, using a term or another depending on the situation (a case is Crowley, for example, and for this many today in fact understand a thing for another when reading some of his writings, as for example on the HGA, if coming from a certain background).

C) Now, however, in these later years the term subconscious (as I've said) has started to mean a sort of "middle ground" (or better, a totally arbitrary layer for what it concerns psychology) between the conscious and unconscious, usually meaning what it is called the "nephesch" in magic, i.e. the astral/emotive part (that is, as I've said, still a part of the conscious). This comes mostly from the new-age and their misinterpretation of everything they read (sad, but true).

For this I myself use here the terms subconscious and unconscious as if they are not the same things to differentiate the two, because if I would use them in the way they should be used people will exchange a thing for another probably, in this forum.