ascension

pod3 · April 25, 2003, 14:47:47

Ascend to what, now? Where exactly did you want to go?

Tom · April 25, 2003, 15:12:11

Soon I will ascend ... to McDonalds, to get some fries.

Maybe this web site (http://www.lightarian.com) will be more to your liking. The people who run it say they are in contact with several ascended masters and they offer a way of ascending, too, if you can afford it. If you can't afford it or don't want to pay in advance (like me) then they can't help you but you might choose to read the web site anyway for ideas.

jilola · April 25, 2003, 16:39:10

Damn Tom, warn me before you d that [

] SO you live downhill form the mcD?

cyro393: I have one singularly important bit of advise: You will find all that is necessary within you. Can't buy it, can't steal it, can't even beg for it. If I've understood "ascension" correctly to do so requires that you know yourself completely and thoroughly as an indivual, as a part of the whole and as the whole.

2cents & L&L
jouni

Tom · April 25, 2003, 17:18:42

Actually, I live uphill from McDonalds. My job is down by the river and McDonalds is on my way home. After ascending to McDonalds I will ascend to my apartment. Unfortunately on Sunday it will be necessary to come back to work. The lessons learned in ascending must be applied in the lower planes.

jilola · April 25, 2003, 17:22:56

So " As you ascend so shall you descend"?

2cents & L&L
jouni

Terry B · April 25, 2003, 23:19:07

quote:
Originally posted by Tom

Actually, I live uphill from McDonalds. My job is down by the river and McDonalds is on my way home. After ascending to McDonalds I will ascend to my apartment. Unfortunately on Sunday it will be necessary to come back to work. The lessons learned in ascending must be applied in the lower planes.

LOL.
So,your office is on the lower plane huh?[

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(Sorry, can't pass that up)

MJ-12 · April 25, 2003, 23:37:57

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jilola · April 26, 2003, 10:23:36

Timeless: It was bit of both, a joke in reply to Tom's post but a serious thought in reply to the topic.
I'm not sure how it applies to everyday life and the spiritual path except that what you put in is what you'll get out.

2cents & L&L
jouni

Adrian · April 28, 2003, 06:03:36

Greetings everyone,

I cannot add much to the excellent words of Timeless in this most important of subjects - the most important in fact.

Ascension on the Spiritual path back to our creator is all about enoblement i.e. perfection of self, until finally the degree of perfection attained is so high as to enable Unity with the ultimate source of perfection - our creator - the "All".

Knowing oneself in every detail, dark and light is vitally important, and that includes recognising and accepting, as well as mercilessly equilibrating all of the dark sides of self as well as the light side. Without such self recognition, introspection and equilibration, true progress is simply not possible, and the result will be repeated incarnations until such recognition is achieved, and work is carried out to completely remove all imperfections. The time to start is now!

Enoblement does not just involve out physical shell that we occupy in any lifetime, but also our Astral and Mental bodies, i.e. body, Soul and Spirit. One of the most important aspects of work on the Soul is to achieve an equilibrium of the elements, Fire, Air, Water and Earth - each of which corresponds to a particular set of human characteristics both of the light and dark sides. Self recognition involves recognising dark characeristics, knowing which element to attribute them two, and then transmuting them into the corresponding noble, light characteristics. This is the true meaning of Alchemy - to take the heavy base metal (lead) which is analogous to the dark characteristics, and transmuting them into Gold - the noble characteristics, and which is one of the most sacred duties of us all.

Every single person will have to reach this stage sooner or later, so better to start without delay!

With best regards,

Adrian.

Tom · April 28, 2003, 06:38:00

Timeless, I'm feeling ignored now. You brought up Jilola's remark that ascending and then descending were related, but you ignored my remark that I was going to ascend to McDonalds?

Tom · April 28, 2003, 07:08:20

You know that was not what I was expecting. A remark about being disrespectful, materialistic, or something like that is more like what I had in mind. Enlightenment is not a place, plane, or even a state of consciousness. There is no "up" or "down". I say that there is no "ascension" or "ascended masters" and that it is a joking matter.

Tom · April 28, 2003, 08:28:39

Vibration does not sound right, either. It is common to talk about higher frequencies or rates of vibration but that is a term applied to waves. The frequency multiplied by the wavelength is the velocity. Maybe this is just another example of technical terms being abused?

Lucid dreaming is a better comparison. Even when most people are "awake" they are not really aware. What is meant by ascension could be either becoming lucid while awake or actually leaving this condition the way it is possible to leave a dream when lucid in it.

jilola · April 28, 2003, 09:08:34

Did I miss something here?

Imho, ascension has nothing whatsoever to do with getting anyplace different. It is about ascending the levels of understanding and compassion. Becoming a better person if you will.
Nothing really mysterious nor hidden at work there.
"It ain't what you been through, it's how you been through" to quote a lyric the author of which I fail to recall.

As for ascended masters, Reinhold Messner is one [8D]

2cents & L&L
jouni

Adrian · April 28, 2003, 10:33:35

Greetings Timeless,

quote:
Originally posted by timeless
I think they call it ascension in that it is a shift 'up' in vibration.

Yes, that is exactly correct.

Ascension is the enoblement of body, Soul and Spirit, i.e. physical, Astral and Mental body's, in an ever increasing degree of perfection, until Unity with the ultimate Perfection, the "All" is possible.

As the Soul and Spirit become more perfected, i.e refined, they vibrate at an increasing rate, and have less density. This rate of vibration/density determines where a person can reside in the Astral and Mental worlds. The higher the vibration,the higher the sphere attained. People of lower vibration cannot travel to a higher vibration in either the Astral or Mental planes, but people with higher vibration can always visit the lower levels of vibration or planes - that is why Ascended Masters can operate at lower Astral levels or even the physical world if they need to.

An Ascended Master has perfected him/herself to such a degree that it is no longer necessary for them to incarnate in the physical world in order to carry out the work necessary for enoblement - their work then continues in ever higher spheres as they assist the progress of mankind - the higher always helping the lower in the great ascent.

With best regards,

Adrian.

jilola · April 28, 2003, 11:25:22

Ah, with R. Messner I was joking although much can be learned form his attitude towards climbing and life it entails.

What Adrian says about AMs is somewhat consistent with my idea of what this ascending bit is provided one accepts that being human is not limited to the physical manifestation but is more about the spirit. However I fell that the concept of ascension is overburdened with unnecessary mystique and shrouds of confusion.
Most of the confusion can be attributed to the unusual, in the physical world, nature of the ideas and concepts. Thus the terminology and structure used to communicate can be at time almost diametrically opposed to someone else's understanding. They don't invalidate each other but sometimes things get bogged down in in the maze of words.

I agree with Timeless when she pointed out that it's about cleaning house, the house in this case being our spirit or soul or some such.

To further my fancy legwork of actually not disagreeing with anyone I'd like to add that the concepts, experiences and practises are very much individual to each of us. They do have a common base and thus show many similarities but they are nevertheless specific to each person.

2cents & L&L
jouni

James S · April 28, 2003, 22:23:14

Hi all,

It's good to see some agreement on this matter. I've read up a bit on the subject from the following site:
http://www.newage.com.au/articles/linda/ascension.html

I see where they get the term "vibration" from. It's in using music as an analogy to show changes in frequency, as a higher pitched sound uses a higher rate of vibration in whatever is making the sound. I think they'd lose a few people if they spoke only of frequencies and energy quantums. I think the idea of changing vibration has just stuck.

Adrian, I liked the explaination of ascension with reference to the noble elements, i.e. getting lead shed a few protons and turn into gold. All you need is bucket-loads of energy and it's possible. I've often thought that it is conceptually the same for us, but you made the link very nicely.

Timeless, WOW!!! can't really say any more than that except FREAKY!!

Tom, Eating McDonalds is definitely descending! Last few times I've had it I know I felt much lower.

James.

MJ-12 · April 29, 2003, 13:06:42

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makelight3 · April 29, 2003, 15:29:31

Hi all! Has anyone here read "Spiritual Enlightenment: The Damnest Thing" by Jed McKenna. Just asking, because I was hoping to buy it, but it would be nice to hear some comments about it from others.[

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Love and Light to everyone.

Adrian · April 29, 2003, 16:20:17

Greetings!

quote:
Originally posted by jilola
I agree with Timeless when she pointed out that it's about cleaning house, the house in this case being our spirit or soul or some such.

To further my fancy legwork of actually not disagreeing with anyone

Yes, it is very much about enoblement in that respect, i.e. the transmutation of all negative, evil attributes into pure positive attributes.

However, "Mastery" is also about total "Mastery" over not only "Self". i.e. body, Soul and Spirit, but also over the the Universe itself, e.g. the Elements, the Fluids, Universal Energy etc..

Of course, most people at the Earth level of evolution cannot even comprehend the higher spheres, and what the Universal or personal attributes are. One famous text quoted it similar to this: "There are beings compared to which we earth bound mortals are as the slimy life forms that dwell on the oceans bed when compared to Man. There are beings with powers and attributes higher than Man has ever dreamed of the god's possessing. And yet these beings were once as you, and still lower - and you will be even as they and still higher in time, for such is the destiny of Man as reported by the Illumined" I think this highlights just how much evolving along the path Earth humans have to do.

With best regards,

Adrian.

jilola · April 30, 2003, 06:41:04

I don't see a dictinction between body, soul and the universe.
What I think this means is that our journey becomes the progression of intimately understanding and embracing the unity through personal experience.

2cents & L&L
jouni

goingslow · May 01, 2003, 00:32:12

That was an amazing story timeless. It didnt sound scary to me at all but really beautiful. I know what you mean about people thinking you're crazy thats one reason I dont tell anyone in my life the things im doing or the things I believe.

I just dont want to be disappointed with their reactions and I know i will be.

Anyway Im gonna read the rest of this thread later.. going to bed.

goingslow · May 01, 2003, 01:05:47

I enjoy reading theories and stuff, but you cant beat honest and true experiences.

I actually had an experience with someone like that timeless the only thing was I didnt have the proof where i was in a space I knew he wasn't then suddenly he was. So I still question if it was my imagination. But it was just too real to not be..

Thanks for sharing that.

cyro393 · April 23, 2003, 17:35:12

does any one know how to ascend? just wondering if you dont know is there anything about the subject i should know about thanks cyro393[8D][?]

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