Ok so you say, when you free yourself of the time (such as after death), all the time blends into "now" and you can experience all of the time now.
Well, this also implies that you can see everything that has ever happened and everything that will ever happen. Especially you can see all your past and mainly future lives/reincarnations. So as you now know all your future lives, what's the point in choosing to live them again?
I asked about this in a dream and got this response: "Time-line is ever changing". Does this mean that when I "see" all of my lives from the eternity point of view, they can turn different as I actually choose to live them :? and isn't this another paradox? :? :? :?
oh yeah, there are probably questions that will not be answered until the time comes...
The experiences. They can change, I guess when you see your future lives it what is most likely to happen. I don't think you can see your future lives anyways.
Quote from: galaxy_storm on March 31, 2008, 10:32:15
Ok so you say,
Was this part of another thread, or are you speaking figuratively?
Quotewhen you free yourself of the time (such as after death), all the time blends into "now" and you can experience all of the time now.
Frankly I don't think you free yourself of time after death, I just think when you become discarnate you experience a different type of reality, until you're ready to reintegrate with all your possible selves. But of course, this is only speculation.
QuoteWell, this also implies that you can see everything that has ever happened and everything that will ever happen.
Not necessarily. You may have more awareness of the aspects of yourself that chose this incarnation at this point in time, but I don't think reintegration happens until you're done incarnating in any way possible.
QuoteEspecially you can see all your past and mainly future lives/reincarnations. So as you now know all your future lives, what's the point in choosing to live them again?
I guess this doesn't apply in my worldview, because I don't think it happens this way.
QuoteI asked about this in a dream and got this response: "Time-line is ever changing". Does this mean that when I "see" all of my lives from the eternity point of view, they can turn different as I actually choose to live them :? and isn't this another paradox? :? :? :?
Well, here is how I see this:
Every time you make a decision your 'youness' splits up, and there is another you somewhere else, living the consequence of every possible decision you made, or at least the most probable decision you would make. So the complete you, at the moment of reintegration will experience everything at the same time-maybe. But until then, you don't have the complete knowledge. This seems linear (because it's how my li'l ol' brain understands it) because I am now living a teeny tiny section of it now, and somewhere/when else, another version of me is doing something similar, or something really different, or all of the above. So it's not like my Higher Self chose to have all these, it's that it chose to experience, and experience includes all of the above.
It seems like a paradox on a first glance, but this theory is sometimes used to explain observed phenomena in the physical (which may as well be impossible in the macro scale in this/our version of the universe) but may be happening in a multitude of 'parallel' universes.
Confusing? Yep.
Quoteoh yeah, there are probably questions that will not be answered until the time comes...
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Quote from: galaxy_storm on March 31, 2008, 10:32:15
Ok so you say, when you free yourself of the time (such as after death), all the time blends into "now" and you can experience all of the time now.
Well, this also implies that you can see everything that has ever happened and everything that will ever happen. Especially you can see all your past and mainly future lives/reincarnations. So as you now know all your future lives, what's the point in choosing to live them again?
I asked about this in a dream and got this response: "Time-line is ever changing". Does this mean that when I "see" all of my lives from the eternity point of view, they can turn different as I actually choose to live them :? and isn't this another paradox? :? :? :?
oh yeah, there are probably questions that will not be answered until the time comes...
Hi,
The future is only possibilities and probabilities, none of it is for certain, there is no fate. There is only what we personally create, what we co-create with others, and then choose to experience for the sake of the experience.
All that is on offer for incarnation is Experiences. And because the only certainty in existence is that everything changes, we can never 'completely know' a future event until we are having the experience of it.
We could say that all of us are making it up as we go!
:wink:
What if the Universe were really part of something bigger called an omniverse, in which parallel timelines existed for every possibility? What if the source-consciousness was the only consciousness and we were really just tendrils shooting off from its main body, able to see from our own unique perspective but still merged with the Source itself? And what if when we died we simply withdrew ourselves back into that source?
Quote from: AmbientSound on April 20, 2008, 01:06:04
What if the Universe were really part of something bigger called an omniverse, in which parallel timelines existed for every possibility? What if the source-consciousness was the only consciousness and we were really just tendrils shooting off from its main body, able to see from our own unique perspective but still merged with the Source itself?
Isn't that what I said? Well, sort of- except for the last part:
QuoteAnd what if when we died we simply withdrew ourselves back into that source?
Anecdotal accounts seem to point to the idea that after you die you transform to another type of existence, but not immersion back to source, in fact to continue to experience 'independent existence' until there is another major transformation, of which there is no (anecdotal) information, so we can guess that it's 'back to Source', but somehow transforming Source itself.
Of course, being anecdotal, this info can be interpreted many ways....
Yes, you said something similar and in different words, I suppose. I got a vision in my head of this giant egg-shaped mass with tendrils shooting out into a three-dimensional fractal realm, something too complex for me to describe in detail. Just branches shooting off of branches shooting off of branches into tunnels of color and light going to infinity, some tunnels near, some far, and every now and then a new tendril would shoot out of the egg and another would withdraw, like it was being reassigned to a different branch system... At least, that was my interpretation of the subject matter. But to see all of that happening at once in my head was a bit overwhelming. The tendrils were too numerous to give even an estimation.
What happens at that anticipated existence, though? Do we continue to evolve, go through a second death and transform again, or does that become our final destination?
I think we have more control over time flow in the next existence. I have noticed in this existence that one's perception of time is linked to their attention span and emotions. We have control over our perception of time here, but only when we are conscious of it.
QuoteWhat happens at that anticipated existence, though? Do we continue to evolve, go through a second death and transform again, or does that become our final destination?
That, my friend, is the question that no one has been able to answer, including those that have gone over and "seen" what's over "there".
Quote from: galaxy_storm on March 31, 2008, 10:32:15
Ok so you say, when you free yourself of the time (such as after death), all the time blends into "now" and you can experience all of the time now.
Well, this also implies that you can see everything that has ever happened and everything that will ever happen. Especially you can see all your past and mainly future lives/reincarnations. So as you now know all your future lives, what's the point in choosing to live them again?
I asked about this in a dream and got this response: "Time-line is ever changing". Does this mean that when I "see" all of my lives from the eternity point of view, they can turn different as I actually choose to live them :? and isn't this another paradox? :? :? :?
oh yeah, there are probably questions that will not be answered until the time comes...
I don't think whatever you said here is a fact. The simple answer is no one knows....although some people know bits and pieces of things, there is no way to tell who is right.
So its all opinions...
My personal view is...its all like a video game, you spawn and re-spawn till you finish the "Game"...
Posted by: AmbientSound
QuoteWhat if the Universe were really part of something bigger called an omniverse, in which parallel timelines existed for every possibility? What if the source-consciousness was the only consciousness and we were really just tendrils shooting off from its main body, able to see from our own unique perspective but still merged with the Source itself? And what if when we died we simply withdrew ourselves back into that source?
Well said. Considering those tendrils; if we thought of it as getting smaller and thinner as it makes it's way 'down' into denser and denser vibrations, then we could see that it's possible for various stages or levels/realms to be part of the process of this diversification. Therefore it accounts for the levels of awareness I call soul level that is 'above' the astral layers/levels. I often use this analogy to explain it to students... Imagine that the soul we are is a part of an oversoul and that is a part of something even larger, and it continues in this way to what you called Source. Also, from Soul level awareness, we diversify ourselves into smaller packets of aware energy until we reach the akasha and prepare for incarnation, where we then reach 'down' again in smaller packets of awareness until this tiny portion of awareness reaches into the physical 3D body.
Another way of illustrating this concept would be to say... Imagine that my body is a massive soul and I want to experience 3D existence here, so I diversify myself enough to reach the Akasha (at Monroes' Focus 27) by reaching out with a small part of myself (a tendril), where I make plans for incarnation, then from there I diversify more and reach out to my keyboard (the world) and lightly touch it to make contact with it. The small part of my finger making that touch is only the tiniest part of my body, and it's only job is to function within the realm and move my awareness around it it. At death the process is reversed up to the point of awareness of the Akasha, life review, etc. Does that make sense to you?
From my experience there is such a thing as an Omniverse, or Multiverse consisting of gazillions of bubbleverses, and that we can trace our awareness back out of this into an even higher awareness layer far beyond them, as we 'return' to the source. As yet I haven't posted anything about the experiences of that, other than the ones about finding the boundary to this universe and going outside of it to see what exists there, but it is in my book soon to be published... hopefully around the end of this year
Time is a physical reality because we have a sense of life and death, beginning and end. In the higher spiritual realms there is no sense of such things. Life is eternal, and thus it is always "now" because all things flow on an ever present course and are always changing. Nothing ever really stays exactly as it is in that moment, it is always shifting states, if nothing more than on a molecular level. It's your choice to relieve new lives to live new experiences, in this world or the countless others, and your progression with always be progressing.
Quote from: Seeking ET on August 18, 2008, 22:27:49
Time is a physical reality because we have a sense of life and death, beginning and end.
Having a sense of causality just means we can conceptualize something. This is a mental reality, not a physical reality. We can have a sense of 'rightness' or 'wrongness' that doesn't have anything to do with physical reality.
Time is a measurement of changes in space. No change, no movement, no time. That's why it is relative as opposed to lightspeed, for example. It is not a 'thing', it's a measurement of 'things'.
QuoteIn the higher spiritual realms there is no sense of such things.
Not true. In the astral, time is perceived differently depending on the plane. If you perceive a week's time on an astral plane, as most that project report, there is a different sense of such things. The mental plane is the closest plane that can be perceived as having 'no time', but if you perceive sequentially (one thing after another) this indicates space and time. Not nonexistent, just different. Very different. But causality implies time. And space.
QuoteLife is eternal, and thus it is always "now" because all things flow on an ever present course and are always changing.
This is a contradiction. Eternity means no change, no time. Change is indicative of time. Time and change are the oppossite of eternity.
QuoteNothing ever really stays exactly as it is in that moment, it is always shifting states, if nothing more than on a molecular level. It's your choice to relieve new lives to live new experiences, in this world or the countless others, and your progression with always be progressing.[/i][/b]
It is your choice, but it is not timeless. If you perceive something sequentially, this means that at some time before something exists, it doesn't.
Therefore anything eternal is unchanging. Whether this means 'now', I don't know.
Let me see if I can clear this up for some people as best as I can. Reincarnation. It's real, and it's perfect. So, how could you know what the next lives will be and why to come back... here it is. Think of it like a sort of video game disk. The game controls based on your own decisions and movements, and within the game are programmed every possible scenerio for that game. The game knows what scenerios you could possibly choose and incorporates those decisions into your game experience, but you are choosing the experience. Before you are reincarnated you get to choose the circumstances in which you are reincarnated... including other sentient beings on other countless planets throughout the universe. Other choices may be to remain in the realm you are at beyond the physical and evolve from that point on. Or perhaps return to the source of it all and experience Oneness with all their Was, Is, or ever will Be. If you choose to come back to Earth in a new human body, then you get to make brand new choices and decisions based on the fact that you have forgotten "all there is to know", and that you have the free will to be and believe anything you choose. Those decisions continue for all of eternity, over and over again, continually recycling between forgetting and remembering. And yes, "God" is there for all of it. That's about it. Enjoy the ride!!!!!!!