The Seth Entity and His Work; Part I, fiction

[Nick]

Well, I liked reading The Nature of Personal Reality a Jane Roberts/Seth book, and would recommend it to anyone.

This is more of a Quantum Metaphysics/Spiritual Development subject area, and if you'd like it moved, just let me know. []


Nick

[clandestino]

That's a fantastic book, Nick. Hopefully I'll have the opportunity to re-read it soon, as it contains so many concepts that require contemplation....definitely not light reading !

I certainly agree that we cannot dismiss something as "fictional" if it does not conform to our 5 senses. The concept of love is a classic example; I think there is a scene in the movie "contact" where jodie foster, playing a rational scientist, is forced to re-evaluate her assumptions about reality when she considers her love for her deceased father....she knows that the love she feels is real, yet she cannot prove its existence.

Seth's idea that we form our own reality is a concept that is clear to see throughout our everyday lives, yet one that is often ignored. The actions we take produce the results we experience. We create our realities. Within the astral realms our thoughts, if unchecked, can create wild and fluid realities.

So, I agree that our thoughts create other realities. With respect to the fictional worlds thread, these realities may be worlds that we are actually creating, or they may be worlds that we are discovering / uncovering. Is the "story teller" using images that he conjured, or are these images a pale reflection of another realm that already exists ?

I would guess that the latter would be the case, if 2 independent individuals (re. fictional worlds thread experiments) could corroborate details accurately.
regards

mark

[Nick]

Originally posted by Clandestino:

quote:Seth's idea that we form our own reality is a concept that is clear to see throughout our everyday lives, yet one that is often ignored. The actions we take produce the results we experience. We create our realities. Within the astral realms our thoughts, if unchecked, can create wild and fluid realities.

Thanks Clandestino! [] You know, I'm becoming more conscious than ever of this now. As little as just a few years ago, I'd tended to avoid the concept. However, I'm presently trying to become more aware of the reality of thoughts, and their consequent manifestation in the non-physical realms. It is really more evident than I had previously been aware of.

Along these lines, a good book I've just read, and would recommend is Arthur Conan Doyle's Book of the Beyond. There is some added information on this book in the Member's Book Recommendations & Reviews forum, if you're interested.


All the best,
Nick

[Kazbadan]

I disagree a little about the nature of reality. Using the example of the house in fire: the house is in fire even if people is not knowing of that fact.

Reality exist by itself, even if we didnt exist. We your idea, you are assuming that reality exists just because of us (maybe is that so in a different level) when it´s the opposite. We exist because of this reality.

-but what i said, means that it may exist other reality and universes that maybe will never be known by humans. But they still exist...

So, this means other thing too: that if we cannot find that realitys, if you have no ther means to know of its existence, the best that we can do it is just to worry about with our little lifes, because life is short.

[Veccolo]

Exactly. We create - to a degree - our PERCEPTION of the objective reality, not the reality itself.

Think about it. If we would create our own reality, it'd include the fact that raped and murdered children also create their reality. That would mean they wanted to be raped and murdered. That's just sick.

Also, many people (not directed at anyone specific) take that what Seth says for fact - but somehow they can't change the reality. If I'd know (not believe) how reality works ... I'd change it.

[narfellus]

As spirits before we incarnate we actually decide how we want to die. Our deaths often occur after we have fulfilled our life contract in lesson on earth. Seemingly horrible murders and accidental deaths here, in the flesh, are difficult for everyone, but are brief and don't carry the same meaning for our higher spirit selves. What it often means is that during our life we had the opportunity of free will to learn important lessons that strengthen the spirit. When someone dies, lessons were either generated for that person or other people. Lessons not learned can be tried again in the next life. Each reincarnation is a set of karmic lessons to master.

I guess i should tie this into the thread topic a little better. The point is that everything that exists in the physical existed in the spiritual first. All ideas and personalities and creations originally spawn in the higher realms, and are filtered down through the planes to our earthly existense. The Fictional Stories thread is very interesting because it means that all thoughts that humans ever had or will have existed in the astral. All great ideas that Einstein shared with us were developed in the ethereal realms first, and manifested by a very smart man to share with the rest of us. I think Einstein would give credit to God for his brilliance, and not himself.

As for thoughts forming reality, this is true. In higher realms, thoughts are manifested instantly. There is no delay, and this can cause a confusing rush of images and experienes. One can know anything and be anywhere by wishing it. On earth, in the flesh, our existense is slowed down through the use of TIME, which is God's way of giving us opportunities to experience things slowly. Creating ones reality through thought is possible by everyone, but only MASTERED by few. Jesus did it. He could manifest bread and fish and water to wine and walk on water and not least of all raise the dead. But his spiritual advancement is one that we can strive for, for it IS attainable, given time.

In small ways, we create our reality by positive or negative thoughts, and by allowing ourself to influenced by the positive and negative thoughts of others. Simple knowledge of his process gives one the means to take hold of and eventually master it.

[Kazbadan]

Jesus could manipulate reality itself. DO you believe that the miracles that he made were true? He is the one saying that one with faith can do the same things that he doe, like reaviving death people, healing diseases, etc. Why do i not see people making ressurections, or talking perfectly other languages (other miracle) and making other amazing things?

There was a time in wich i believed in Jesus and in his word. One day i pray for him to heal (a myesterious disease) the mother of a friend of mine. I believed that she would be healed in the next day. For my surprised, when i arrived in shcool on next day, my collegues gave me the new (bad new) of her death! That´s the last thing that i would want!

I know that this question is a little off topic, but why does that happened?! I am still searching for the answer....

[clandestino]

Hi there Nick !

To be honest, I'm pretty much grounded in the day to day slog of physical life at the moment ! However I do often wonder how mankind's thoughts filter into the non-physical, good and bad....I wonder what comes of it.

Here's a simple example : the tube (or the subway) seems like hotbed of negative thoughts. People are constantly getting in each other's way and agitating / annoying others. Perhaps though, these thoughts being unfocussed, are of no real concern....like Monroe's "M-band" noise. One would hope that they have no lasting effects in non-physical realms.

Kazbadan, sorry to hear that...I'm not sure that anyone can answer your question though. Unfortunately, things like that happen, even though we don't want them to.

Mark

[Nick]

Hi Mark,

My current assignment at work has me in a place of extreme negativity, wherein occurs a variety of focused negative thought. Let me explain, I work as a lawyer in the public defender's office and do felony arraignments. Every day I interact with people accused of every serious crime you can imagine,  from robbery to murder. The negativity is so oppressive that by the end of the day I have to shower to help climb out of it. Point is, the thoughts that are being spun by many of my client's already have an effect in the physical. Then it also occurs to me that perhaps they are concurrently building a dark place for themselves in the non-physical.

One of the things I remember from the Arthur Conan Doyle book I must quote as it seems relevant. These are his words regarding his first impression of the afterlife and the power of thought:

"In the broad sense the seeds man sows are interpreted as actions; but I find thought to be actually more powerful than action, since one of the main things that a man is faced with on his escape from earth life, is the world of his own thought."

Hopefully though, there is something to what Monroe wrote of the M-band, and unfocused thought can be allowed to dissapate into the mist. Like you, I also hope the random, unfocused, negative thoughts have no lasting effect in the non-physical realms.  

All the best,
Nick

[narfellus]

quote:There was a time in wich i believed in Jesus and in his word. One day i pray for him to heal (a myesterious disease) the mother of a friend of mine. I believed that she would be healed in the next day. For my surprised, when i arrived in shcool on next day, my collegues gave me the new (bad new) of her death! That´s the last thing that i would want!

I know that this question is a little off topic, but why does that happened?! I am still searching for the answer....

Kazbadan, i think i can answer this in part for you, so here goes: the mother in question probably DECIDED that would be the exit of life for her before she was born. Your desire to heal her, if powerful enough, and if karmically correct for her to BELIEVE she could be healed, might have changed something. As such, this did not happen and she passed on. Her lesson was over, and her death has formed a lesson for you, because it has MADE YOU THINK very seriously about spiritual issues, perhaps moreso than before. You might not realize but you have learned something already, and you use that knowledge deep, deep down. It will probably serve you to learn more, and i think you will. I hope that helped some, i know it is a difficult and complex subject.

[Nick]

narfellus, thanks for that last post to Kazbadan, it was good that you wrote that.  I do agree with what you expressed in your thoughtful answer. [^]

Also, this topic has become better suited to our Welcome to Spiritual Development forum, in my view. Thus, it has been moved. Also, apologies to the author of this thread for any edits.


Very best,
Nick

[Nick]

As a follow-up to this threads topic regarding creating realities and the fictional worlds, I'd like to add a futher quote from the book. This hopefully serves, to add to what was said by others above, as well:

"When a soul leaves the physical body it is in reality passing inward to an inner state of being. Think of the physical life as an outward life, inwhich you are immersed in a matter of coarse condition. Away from your body your world will be of finer and more malleable matter, matter more easily responsive to thought and emotion (emphasis added). Such matter is moulded by the soul, so whatever the soul is, whatever its habitual thoughts and life, it will externalize itself in this inner world.

For this reason, souls who habitually give way to coarse and violent thoughts and desires will find themselves in a similar state of life in the spirit world, except that their new world will be intensified and almost a caricature of the old. On the lower astral plane are places where people seek sensation and crude experience. These places manifest conditions as they are on the physical plane in intensified form, but the soul finds no satisfaction in fulfilling its desires, and so the desires gradually abate, being worn out. Then at last the soul is ready to move onward and upward. As soon as the soul can abandon these lower attractions, it is immediately befriended. The guide takes it in charge. From the lower astral it passes to the higher astral and then to the mental plane, learning as much as it can absorb, until finally it enters into a dream-like state, absorbing what it can of truth. Then, in due time the soul returns to the earth a little purified, a little nearer to its goal of spiritual realization (emphasis added).

The ordinary souls of ordinary people, the dear humanity we love for their kindliness, after death pass quickly through the lower astral in a kind of dream-like state, sometimes without awakening, until they reach the higher astral plane. There they again meet friends, not only of the incarnation they have just finished but sometimes the companions of former incarnations."

The above are the words of White Eagle from Arthur Conan Doyle's Book of the Beyond. At this point in the book, he next discusses the higher astral planes, then the mental and celestial planes. However, I'll end this post here. []



Very best,
Nick

[HooVooLoo]

Hey there, sorry I have been away...been buried in a different reality of my own...Damn video games, hehe..

Nick:
No worries, move threads to where you deem them to fit.  

Kazbadan...

quote:I disagree a little about the nature of reality. Using the example of the house in fire: the house is in fire even if people is not knowing of that fact.

Reality exist by itself, even if we didnt exist. We your idea, you are assuming that reality exists just because of us (maybe is that so in a different level) when it´s the opposite. We exist because of this reality.

-but what i said, means that it may exist other reality and universes that maybe will never be known by humans. But they still exist...

Kaz, that entire line of thought is perfect for the next rhetorical refutation...

Even beyond Zen, this one comes from Einstein, and the fact that he stated this so many years before Seth makes me giddy.  (I apologize, I do not have an exact quote, again...)

Einstein was standing outside his home in Austria with a friend.  Einstein says to his friend, "You see that tree out there?"

His friend replies, "Yes."

"Turn around and look the other way.  Now...is the tree still there?"

Fascinating mindflex.  And also quite important in light of recent ideas in these recent times.

I apologize for not being able to be more involved with the thread at the moment, but stuff going on here I need to deal with.  Keep discussing!  Good stuff, and the segue has been set already!

[narfellus]

Nick, that was a great explanation of the classic heaven and hell. One's belief system when they die weights HEAVILLY on where they go after death. Having little to no beliefs in God and living an unfilling life of violence and lower desires will yield a limbo-like existense in the lower astral, still seeking these weak desires. There are many accounts of alcoholic spirits seeking to latch onto alcoholics to gain a buzz, of entities proliferating violence and hate to try and experience it. None of it lasts forever though, for in the end all spirits are really just small pieces of God, and God would not needlessly punish himself for eternity.

I think i need to find that Conan Doyle book...good stuff...

[HooVooLoo]

The Seth Entity and His Work; Part I, fiction
I start this thread(s?) with the hope of integrating a lot of the various ideas and experiments posted in other threads and how the Seth materiel seems to address many of these issues.  (Most of the time I can only paraphrase what Seth wrote, because I cannot remember verbatim his texts.)

Where to begin.  Hmm.

I'll just go with what comes to mind as I go.

I just came out of another visit to the "Fictional World" thread.  And it got me to thinking about why we, in fact, define the fiction that we do as, well, "fiction."

What is "fiction"?

Before we tackle that question, let's first think about what we decide is "real."

We define and then decide, in the coarsest sense, our reality and thus what is "real", by what we observe with our five primary senses.  We smell a rose, and we decide the smell is pleasant and "real".  We taste a lemon, we define it as tasting sour.  That is "real".  We see a building on fire in the distance, and we conclude that a building is burning.  The fire is real.  The building being on fire is real.

When we see the building on fire in the distance, we know only that reality, barring any other information sources but our senses.  So we know a building is on fire in the distance.  It's real.

Hmm, let's get closer to the building on fire.  Now we can smell the smoke of the fire, and it seems a bit more "real".  We are getting more information about the event, so we can define it more clearly.  We can make it more real by gathering more information.  We smell a very pungent odor of burning rubber.  We have further defined the reality of this event by concluding that there is a lot of rubber burning in the fire.  That would correlate why we see such thick black smoke in the fire.

Let us get closer still to the fire.  We are 2 blocks away from the fire, and ask a policeman nearby what the fire is all about.  "It is a tire warehouse that is burning", he says.  We have just had a further definition of the reality of the event, because now we know it is a tire warehouse on fire.  And when we get around the corner of the building on fire, and feel the immense heat and hear the sizzling of rubber, we have further confirmation of the reality of the event.   We can see, hear, feel and smell the event.  We have defined this event as being pretty darn "real".

The next day, our roommate comes home from a business trip.  "Hey, did you hear about the fire yesterday at the old tire warehouse"?  "No."

Well, gee.  Was the fire real for our roommate?  He received no information about the fire before this point.  The event did not register to any of his senses, and so not only was the event not real to him, it did not exist for him.

"Do you choose to accept that a fire happened yesterday at that warehouse?"  "No.  I have fond memories of that warehouse", he replies.  "To me it is just a fictional event.  I did however see an incredible car crash when I was away.  A DeLorean had a head-on collision with an Aston-Martin."  To you this sounds incredulous, because you know, or think you know, that in the area this person traveled to, both DeLoreans and Aston-Martins are very rare and so the chances of that event happening are nil.  It is not "real" to you.  It's just fiction until you decide to accept it as having happened.

To one person the event was real, to the other it is fiction.  It didn't "happen."

So what exactly is "fiction"?  

Well, one could say that fiction is the opposite of what we accept as being real.

The Seth entity had a lot to say about this.  One of which is one of his prominent points in his writing..."Your beliefs form your reality." Or, in a variation, "You form your own reality."

Without getting into a thousand arguments about how to make the event real for the roommate, and how any event or reality one person perceives can be perceived by all, let's look at something else Seth wrote..."You all participate in an objective reality based upon the root assumptions of your universe.  You agreed to do this before you were born."

Can we assume with the logical mind that just because something does not exist to our primary senses that it is fictional?

Now I would jump ahead a bit and out of order, but I must in order to relate this to the Fictional World thread, and some of the ruminations that have occurred there.

Seth said, "Every thought you have spawns a new reality that takes on a life of it's own, and the vividness of that reality depends on the emotional strength and intent of the thinker."

That will segue into a new topic, I reckon', when the "time is now".

Discuss.