People love to give reasons for why we should accept what appears to be our limits as if its supposed to be that way.
They say things like you chose to be here and can only leave the Earth system after you've done what you're here to do, but when it comes to asking what we are here to do, they have little to say. In my case I have a good idea what I'm here to do (networking minds and other things together into more advanced forms), and it could be done quickly with enough skill, and here's the strange thing about it... It could be done outside of the "physical" realities too, but it may be harder to do out there. So I dont think I actually have to be here, more of a convenience.
People love to say let "god" handle it and just live your life, as if you shouldn't have the choice of what form of reality you will be next, or many forms at once.
Astral projection is great, but primarily we still feel Human. There was a time long ago when I felt more like the "nonphysical"/metaphysical/astral/etc things were my primary reality and Earth was secondary, even though I still had difficulty existing there and seeing around. It was like I was many places at once.
Even if a person feels strongly connected to other forms of reality, they still save money for retirement. This is betting against a complete change in reality, because you dont think its likely to happen. I suggest a different plan. We should all keep our options open, in what galaxies, dimensions, or forms of reality, we will exist in 10 years from now. Practically it takes time to make such big changes and get skilled at keeping them that way, so 10 years instead of instantly. We decide that whatever it takes we will be in our preferred reality 10 years from now, which may be this same reality or may be reality as we know it completely dissolved, from our perspective, leaving astral or whatever dimensions as our primary experience from then on. It has to start with a choice to become something more and a plan of how to get there. Most people would not dare to make such a choice or even to dream that it is possible. But there is some way to do it, to get from here to whatever is your preferred form of existence and dimensions and be there in 10 years.
My retirement plan is to exist in uncountable dimensions. Whats yours?
Well... you already exist in uncountable dimensions.
Ironically, our reason for being here has absolutely nothing to do with anything you can physically come up with to do.
Our goal is as much non-physical as your dream you had last night is: It's to learn to Love.
You do this by interacting with other consciousnesses in a kind, positive manner (a positive Intent).
To sum it up bluntly: You need to begin BEING nice, not simply ACTING nice. <-- There is a HUGE difference between those two concepts.
You're right about one thing though... in order to grow spiritually and move closer to being a Loving being, it has absolutely NOTHING what-so-ever to do with experiencing the non-physical. I know that might sound strange coming from the Administrator of the largest Astral Projection related forum on the internet, but it's a truth I hold dear. However, I also know that it's a truth I wouldn't have come to had it not been for Projecting. This is the reason why I assist people in learning to Project, so that one day they figure out what I did... because I know that this is such a primal and basic notion of this reality that everyone will come to this conclusion after they've put enough thought and experience into it. There's literally nothing non-physical you can experience that can spiritually evolve you faster than this physical reality.
To address the specific concept in your subject line...
I agree wholeheartedly. In the idea of being immortal (physically alive in this form I have now), it would be a fate worse than death. Not being able to learn new experiences in a completely different way would be consciousness suicide. You wouldn't evolve anymore.
QuoteWell... you already exist in uncountable dimensions.
Yes, like a blind man exists in a city. He is there but can't make much use of it.
Quotein order to grow spiritually and move closer to being a Loving being, it has absolutely NOTHING what-so-ever to do with experiencing the non-physical.
The more you learn about the most basic things that make physics work, waves and vibration forming dimensions instead of being in any certain number of dimensions, and its connections to the metaphysical/astral/etc including telekinesis, telepathy, changes in patterns of events directly resulting from thoughts, the more you will start to see physical and "non-physical" as a continuous space where what you learn in one can be used in the other. It doesnt make sense to say it has nothing to do with experiencing the non-physical because its all the same place, some parts more dense and hard to change than others.
QuoteOur goal is as much non-physical as your dream you had last night is: It's to learn to Love.
You do this by interacting with other consciousnesses in a kind, positive manner (a positive Intent).
To sum it up bluntly: You need to begin BEING nice, not simply ACTING nice. <-- There is a HUGE difference between those two concepts.
You're right about one thing though... in order to grow spiritually and move closer to being a Loving being
I do what I can to most efficiently make the universe a better place, but that doesnt mean I would help individuals or even specific planets unless it was strategicly toward that goal.
Love is resonance. Hate is random. For example, love causes synchronization of schedules to be at the same events, to finish eachothers sentences, to expand minds into many dimensional structures. Randomness destroys of much of that. If you hate someone you often want your actions to appear random to them so they cant predict you and use it against you. Random is also what happens when things get destroyed.
We are here on Earth during this general time period probably because its when the Human species transforms from mostly individuals to mostly global mind-like structures, through the Internet and through metaphysics as many things get network together in many ways. It all becomes like a big brain or many brains. New kinds of reality form into the vibration of dimensions. The nature of reality as most people know it starts to bend by our thoughts. Travellers of astral will not be surprised by this, but to the average person, the world will appear to have become more like a fluid with things sliding across eachother and blobbing in and out of existence for no apparent reason, but this will instead be the interaction of many dimensions. If we are not careful we may destroy ourselves with the wrong thoughts, at least what most people think of as reality, but people will most likely learn how things work fast enough to stabilize the process and gain mental control of our forms of reality.
I think I'm here on Earth to network minds together and get started on that natural continuation of the evolution of thought and its action on the forms of reality. In the past individual or small group meditation has been the only practical tool, but as love is resonance, and we have the equations of large scale resonance, there are ways technology can help sync our thoughts. We use whatever tools are available, not getting stuck on how things used to be done.
I too hope to consciously exist in a great variety of dimensions. And yes being stuck on any one given our multidimensional nature even while experiencing the physical is a bit like being in a coma of many layers of our being. That's where my work and effort come into. :-)
Do you think this physical reality will see these changes in the near future beavis?
Quote from: Micael on May 24, 2014, 02:27:03
I too hope to consciously exist in a great variety of dimensions.
You already do. :-)
Quote from: Xanth on May 24, 2014, 03:02:02
You already do. :-)
Not nearly as consciously as I would like to Xanth, not even near. But again I suppose that's part of evolution, I take the long view.
Quote from: Xanth on May 19, 2014, 01:34:09
Well... you already exist in uncountable dimensions.
Ironically, our reason for being here has absolutely nothing to do with anything you can physically come up with to do.
Our goal is as much non-physical as your dream you had last night is: It's to learn to Love.
You do this by interacting with other consciousnesses in a kind, positive manner (a positive Intent).
To sum it up bluntly: You need to begin BEING nice, not simply ACTING nice. <-- There is a HUGE difference between those two concepts.
You're right about one thing though... in order to grow spiritually and move closer to being a Loving being, it has absolutely NOTHING what-so-ever to do with experiencing the non-physical. I know that might sound strange coming from the Administrator of the largest Astral Projection related forum on the internet, but it's a truth I hold dear. However, I also know that it's a truth I wouldn't have come to had it not been for Projecting. This is the reason why I assist people in learning to Project, so that one day they figure out what I did... because I know that this is such a primal and basic notion of this reality that everyone will come to this conclusion after they've put enough thought and experience into it. There's literally nothing non-physical you can experience that can spiritually evolve you faster than this physical reality.
To address the specific concept in your subject line...
I agree wholeheartedly. In the idea of being immortal (physically alive in this form I have now), it would be a fate worse than death. Not being able to learn new experiences in a completely different way would be consciousness suicide. You wouldn't evolve anymore.
Beavis,
If you think you are here on Earth to help network minds and further the continuation of the evolution of thought and action in the various forms of reality...just how would you go about this?
Most of this communication and development would naturally occur in the Non-Physical. What do you perceive as the key elements for its development? Is there anything you have recognized, so far?
Have you made attempts or established the beginnings of a network?
This is an intriguing subject to me.
QuoteMicael - Do you think this physical reality will see these changes in the near future beavis?
Probably not, but theres a small chance it could happen at any moment as the resonance of the fields reaches critical-mass. It will probably take many years. Its likely within many of our lifetimes, maybe far sooner. Its not about time. Its about getting things in sync in many dimensions and forms of reality, and for that we need to understand whats happening in those dimensions.
QuoteEscapeVelocity -
If you think you are here on Earth to help network minds and further the continuation of the evolution of thought and action in the various forms of reality...just how would you go about this?
The basic idea is explained here, and I am doing research in statistical [Artificial Intelligence] AI software and ways to use it as a massively multiplayer puzzle game.
http://www.reddit.com/r/turingchurch/comments/2iioic/a_scientific_approach_to_take_harmonic/
QuoteA scientific approach to take Harmonic Convergence events to the next level
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonic_Convergence was the start of a paradigm of synchronizing the meditation of many people, often across large distance, sometimes with a certain subject on the mind at the time to help the sync andOr to direct mental action at that subject.
It doesnt do much, but it does something. Those who have seen these events may have figured this out for themself, but skeptics will be happy to hear there is a more scientific way to go about it.
Instead of just telling everyone to think about the same subject or meditate at the same time, we could use any feedback loop between an input and output device (like mouse and screen, or EEG access to brainwaves and generated audio responding to it) to get access to the subconscious mind of each player in this "game", and use statistical AI software to sync their patterns of thought as measured and influenced by the game.
If such a game can statistically read and write the thoughts of each player just a little, then it can cause more sync of thoughts across large distance through the Internet, and it could measure and amplify any existing connections between the thoughts of people playing the game.
Such connections could be caused by them talking to eachother on the phone at the time or other cheating of sending info directly to eachother outside the game, but if done in a controlled experiment then we would know that any statistical relation measured is real telepathy.
If real telepathy is measured in such a large scale experiment, it could be amplified using the same access to thoughts statistically that allows it to be measured, therefore taking Harmonic Convergence events to the next level. Instead of just meditating all at the same time or on the same subject, realtime statistical fine tuning of the groups thought patterns would cause sync where normally it would jump around randomly and mostly cancel out. The effects might be millions or more times stronger, which for normal Harmonic Convergence events are barely noticable.
What kind of games would be able to do that? http://www.reddit.com/r/thisisthewayitwillbe/comments/2id2t1/we_need_a_game_for_ais_and_people_to_play/
QuoteMost of this communication and development would naturally occur in the Non-Physical. What do you perceive as the key elements for its development? Is there anything you have recognized, so far?
Like the invention of the wheel, we need to start with basic many-dimensional tools instead of just thinking about astral as a spiritual place. Its both. The statistical AI software will learn to represent these things as flowing shapes and patterns on screen we can play with, bend, and twist into new tools that grab onto other tools. If we can get this to sync with the real world accessed through the minds of the players, and later through machines designed to do the same thing, we can expand the Internet into astral, and use it to expand our minds there too.
QuoteHave you made attempts or established the beginnings of a network?
Astral and high dimensional patterns and flows out there already exist but are not well organized, at least the parts easy to access from here. I'm still building the basic software to sync our thoughts through a game, and only then could we touch it and get started in a way more than existing meditation events are capable of without help sychronizing thoughts by computers.