Hey guys, I screwed this up and had to repost the stuff, so I put the original posters name in red. Sorry bout that!
Mattoid
Hey Guys
For the past year or so, I've been feeling overwhelmingly uninterested in the human experience, I seem to break everything down, and over analyze every aspect of my life, whether it's just the simple act of opening a door and being aware of the fact that it, and all my surroundings are nothing more than energy, I imagine the atoms ect. I'll walk down the street, and see nothing more than illusion. I'm constantly pondering anything metaphysical and can't seem to truly appreciate the human experience, and progress as a soul. I feel like it's causing a rift between myself and my wife physically, as i subconsciously distance myself from intimate affection, although i try to satisfy her physical needs as much as possible. I mean emotionally I'm there to support her and i seriously try to be the best husband i can be to her.
I don't even feel comfortable in the physical body, I suffer with a mild form of dyslexia, and can't efficiently verbally voice my thoughts. It's very frustrating because my thought processes totally contradict how i voice what i think and know. For the most part it's as if i think in emotions or some derivative of them, it's hard to explain. I've never thought in words, and even struggle to picture words. It's like I think in emotions with encoded meanings, it really feels subconscious.
I'm sorry for the ranting, my wife thought it would help if i shared the way i feel with people of similar beliefs. I'm honestly sick and tired of feeling so alienated. I would truly appreciate any help with this unshakable mindset.
- Ellis
KurtyKurt42
Life in this dimension is just one long astral projection. Where here in these physical bodies for some reason, it can be tough to figure our why sometimes.
Tiny
Dear Mattoid,
sounds like you're progressing immensely. What you're saying is, to me true signs of spiritual evolution. Most people merely pretend and spill their pseudo-wisdom and spiritually insignificant knowledge. They lack self-honesty and and are only deluding themselves and making their fellow men feel low.
Many people will probably tell you that you're out of balance and that you'll need to center/ground or do whatever to yourself to re-attach yourself to the illusions that they are part of and which your spirit is trying to shake off right now but I'd suggest not to listen to those people.
I greatly appreciate what you're saying and I think we're on the same path! I'll hint you why...
I'm only 19 years old and my mom, father and family don't understand why I don't desire a girlfriend, a carrier, a car and why I don't mingle in groups with other humans as humans do. They do their best to try and integrate me into all the illusions of human life because they fear my being different.
And they question me a lot about these issues and I try to answer them their questions about me as truthfully as possible, however I will not express myself freely to them and tell them all about my spiritual state unless they give me some kind of signal that they truely want to know it.
I try to free myself from worldly desire and -action and home myself in the meditational peace of divine light occasionally however the temptation of worldly things really gets hold of me. I've been like this since I was a child but now I atleast partially comprehend the reason.
I'd like to get in touch with you on messenger if you don't mind.
peace
Xanth
Quote from: Tiny on Today at 09:04:34
Dear Mattoid,
sounds like you're progressing immensely. What you're saying is, to me true signs of spiritual evolution. Most people merely pretend and spill their pseudo-wisdom and spiritually insignificant knowledge. They lack self-honesty and and are only deluding themselves and making their fellow men feel low.
Many people will probably tell you that you're out of balance and that you'll need to center/ground or do whatever to yourself to re-attach yourself to the illusions that they are part of and which your spirit is trying to shake off right now but I'd suggest not to listen to those people.
Some might also say that we're here for a reason and staying "connected" to this world is part of the experience.
What's the point of being here if you're always disconnected?
Just enjoy what you can and take comfort in that. Smiley
Tiny
Quote from: Xanth on Today at 13:18:49
Some might also say that we're here for a reason and staying "connected" to this world is part of the experience.
Dear Xanth,
when I examine the reason why (most) people would say what you mentioned in line 1, I come to see reasons (such as fear, attachment etc) that are of a much lower nature than some else's higher self signaling that it wants to rid itself of the illusions.
Why would someone whose higher part feels just that choose over it a half-baked human belief system, such as the one you just mentioned?
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Just enjoy what you can and take comfort in that. Smiley
Some people like I however, can feel in ourselves much higher natures than the dwelling in earthly and bodily pleasures.
peace
Xanth
Quote from: Tiny on Today at 13:41:26
Dear Xanth,
when I examine the reason why (most) people would say what you mentioned in line 1, I come to see reasons (such as fear, attachment etc) that are of a much lower nature than some else's higher self signaling that it wants to rid itself of the illusions.
Why would someone whose higher part feels just that choose over it a half-baked human belief system, such as the one you just mentioned?
Some people like I however, can feel in ourselves much higher natures than the dwelling in earthly and bodily pleasures.
peace
I'd then suggest that you figure out why you came here to be on this planet in this form at this very time.
Because, it sounds like you're confused. Smiley
What's the sense in coming to the physical if you're only desire once you're here is to be anything BUT physical?
Tiny
Quote from: Xanth on Today at 15:49:20
What's the sense in coming to the physical if you're only desire once you're here is to be anything BUT physical?
Dear Xanth,
in response to your question,
there are authors such as Robert Monroe who have brought forth the idea (from hsi experience as astral projector) that most souls come here to Earth out of sheer addiction (attachment is the best word) until one day they realize it or when they get tired and start taking on the journey back out.
I don't happen to believe it to be that way at the core of the issue, however i like to use Robert Monroe's view as an example because it gives you an idea that is significantly different from the general perception that life, the way it is, must be good and purposeful simply because one has come here and is here, presently and in this moment.
peace
Just as there is a higher aspect of ourselves, there are higher aspects of the physical as well. The separation is just in our perception. We need to properly integrate ourselves within all of consciousness, including the physical, on a conscious level. I think sometimes we feel as though our astral body is separate from our physical bodies, but I look at it as a whole. Our physical, etheric, astral body, & ego are all part of our being, not separate things.
I try to have a deep meditational life, but I also balance it with an appropriate physical life - IMO both need to be fulfilling and balanced. Much here in the physical has to do with relationships and humanity as a whole. We're all a part of something greater and to exclude yourself to physical experience is kind of like dipping out on the rest of us - we're all in this together.
Quote from: Mattoid
I seem to break everything down, and over analyze every aspect of my life, whether it's just the simple act of opening a door and being aware of the fact that it, and all my surroundings are nothing more than energy
For myself, being that aware in nature is one of the most spiritual physical experiences you can have. You can stay grounded in the physical, yet still experience the physical as something greater. Maybe this is just a phase/learning experience for you that will open you up to something greater.
KurtyKurt42
I came here because of 2012! :lol:
Hey guys, I screwed this up and had to repost the stuff, so I put the original posters name in red. Sorry bout that!
It was trickery that caused most of us to end up here. I'm starting to think there's a reason why people destroy the planet - that maybe it ought to be destroyed if it serves as a cage
Returning to this thread again, with eyes staring in utter stupor only to see that it has apparently been stookiefied gave me the lols :lol:
Hey Guys
Thanks a lot for the responses, it's great to see some other views and your personal experiences. Tiny thanks for your feedback in particular it would seem you share a similar mindset, definitely feel free to add me on MSN messenger, as i never really use aim. (ssj4ellis@msn.com)
Stookie, no problem! accidents happen!
What you are doing is still human. :wink:
I have been having my share of similar thoughts over time. I came to the conclusion that i should live little bit at a time. Step by step. No use living for the future. The future cannot nurture you. Only the present can(whatever the hell it is).
I also came to the conclusion(through observation of myself) that i am having these kind of thoughts whenever i am frustrated from some aspect of myself or when the world brings me down.
I think there is a great deal of people that use metaphysics as a shelter from the clutches and hardships of this world. People are doing this left and right. Some use metaphysics, others use drugs, others are using sexual partners, etc.
I think the problem is deep. The problem is that people are lazy. They prefer to cover themselves with their blanket(whatever that may be) instead of starting to work, and that's not a very healthy attitude, neither for this world, nor for the next one. Because honestly, if you are lacking motivation to live here nothing is going to change on the other side.
Habit is your problem. Escape your habits and you will feel like you stepped into a different person's shoes. You recognize yourself because of your habits. You hate yourself because you have grown sick of recognizing yourself via your habits. Your habits are your prism of reality. Kick your habits and you've changed your point of view. Then i promise you, it's gonna be so much fun you won't want to finish the game.
I was reading Murphy's laws recently(You know, that set of pessimistic explanations about life which are one part hilarious and the other part makes you miserable because of the accuracy of the truth).
There i encountered something that read:
Capitalism gives you the illusion that you can win the game.
Socialism gives you the illusion that you can tie the outcome.
Mysticism gives you the illusion that you can get out of the game.
Have a good day
Hi Mattoid. I agree with Koyaanisqatsi in regards to living in the present moment;
Quote from: Koyaanisqatsi on March 06, 2010, 07:42:46
I have been having my share of similar thoughts over time. I came to the conclusion that i should live little bit at a time. Step by step. No use living for the future. The future cannot nurture you. Only the present can(whatever the hell it is).
Also Stookie has a valid point regarding the congruence of existence;
Quote from: Stookie on March 05, 2010, 16:29:10
I try to have a deep meditational life, but I also balance it with an appropriate physical life - IMO both need to be fulfilling and balanced. Much here in the physical has to do with relationships and humanity as a whole. We're all a part of something greater and to exclude yourself to physical experience is kind of like dipping out on the rest of us - we're all in this together.
I would like to believe that we can balance ourselves physically, and spiritually through discipline. As Koyaanisqatsi said previously, for some it may be an innate attachment which drives our intentions throughout our lives. Whether or not this relates to you - I don't know. All I can say is this. I don't believe that the way you think in the present moment as it stands is in anyway invalid or inappropriate in regards to your perspective. You're thinking about things which you believe to be valid, for whatever reason. Through introspection you can gain a deeper foothold on the motivations which drive you through life, and in turn gain a higher level of control & understanding in the way you live. Personally I believe that everyone should have some level of introspection, otherwise we'd be completely irresponsible. I too share a similar perspective in regards to an inability to convey what it is I'm thinking completely, but I think it might be something that we all share to some degree.
Consider it from a linguistic point of view. Translate a phrase from one language to another, and sometimes certain particulars of the message get lost in translation, because the format to which it's being translated to does not accommodate the particulars entirely - because they're two different formats. So it's natural for their to be a level of incongruence found when verbalizing your thought processes. As for the illusory state of nature; I believe things become illusory depending on perspective. The key being relativity. From my perspective, the door is solid. I try to walk through a closed door and I'll be met with resistance. On a sub atomic level, things are different - mostly empty space. An oversimplification I'm sure, but still - I'm sure you understand what I mean. If I've misinterpreted your understanding of illusion, please illuminate me.