What do people think of Christs *real* teachings?

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Interesting. Trying showing this to the average church going christain here in the bible belt. And then run! LOL It is funny how it has been changed over time, yet to talk to a christain, atleast in my area, they are certain that God himself handed the bible to man and that every word is correct and would not have been changed. It does not matter that there is proof that it has been changed.

Are these published in a book?

My opinion has not really changed. I still do not believe you can believe what you read because over time man will change it. Jesus's dietary teachings are well founded and have a good point as a diet high in fruits and vegetables has been proven to be much more healthy for you. I am interested in other differences other than just dieth though.

I do thank Satan for fire. It can get cold here in Tennessee during the winter.

[Gandalf]

Most of the material about Jesus's dietry regime (regime being the right word!) as well as his theories about the Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father plus his healing abilities, can be found in the short book 'The Gospel of Peace of Jesus Christ', translated by Szekely.This is only one small part of the entire manuscript collection however.

The complete manuscript has now been translated by Dr. Edmond Szekely and is titled 'The gospel of the Essenes'. The Essenes were the group that Jesus founded or belonged to.
Szekely spent a lot of time translating the work from the original aramaic but it iis now availabe for all to see. As I said earlier the manuscripts contain Christ's original teachings and date to the 1st Century AD, the earliest record we have of what would later become 'the new testament'.

Christs original teachings in the form of the dead sea scrolls and the Aramaic manuscripts are actually well known as they surfaced back in 1936. Despite initial attempts at suppression by the vatican they are now widely available.

I only just read them recently.
My initial impression is that Jesus had a lot of good ideas, but some of his ideas were a bit wacked out and completely impracticle IMO - How he expected his followers to do without cooked food and leather seems a bit strange.

I like his ideas about the Earthly Mother though, quite similar to pagan beliefs of the Earth Mother goddess aspect. The fact that she has her own angels, of the air, water, trees etc sounds similar to celtic style beliefs.
I like this idea, its a pity its one of jesus' theories that was later erased.

Regards,
Douglas

[rachel]

These teachings sound a bit more like buddism the christianinty.  Though the reasons for not eating animals are different, they are both pretty strict on the subject.

nothing/no-one ever dies, they just change form.

[Gandalf]

This might make sense though.
Jesus disappears for many years between childhood and adulthood.
There are suggestions that he may have widely travelled in these years and perhaps learned learned from yogis and buddhists, this would account for the familiar theories, although as we can see, Christ adapted them to fit/modify his own Judean belief system.

You're quite right though, Christ's original teachings are much more akin to buddhism than 'revised' christianity.

Regards,
Douglas

[alpha]

How can we know those were his real teachings.Personaly,I dont buy it.Does anyone even know if Jesus could read and write?If he could of seen how people were twisting his words around.Maybe he would of wrote his own book.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_tongue.gif" border=0>

Especially the diet I dont understand.You will not be as healthy if you just live off fruits and vegetables.Its all about balance.We probably would not be standing here today if it wasnt for meat(food chain).

Oh what about fish.If I remember didnt Jesus perform a miracle and filled the fishermans nets.

I guess its ok because fish dont have any feeling righthttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>



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[Gandalf]

Alpha,
As far as scholars are aware the dead sea scrolls are the *earliest* writings yet found of what would later become the 'new testement'.

Because they date to a period just after Christ then they are most likely to be accurate.
Most of the 'New testement' is constructed several centuries after with only certain parts left in of the original material.
The original documents formed the basis of the 'Essene' movement, the original cult that followed Christs teachings, this would eventially evolve into what we know as 'christianity'.

As far as I'm aware the whole loaves and fishes story is yet another part of the mythology that was added in later as this story does not appear to be included in the original, just like the imaculate conception story.
These were all added later as as Roman christians infused the Essene teachings with their own classical motifs. Read any classical mythology, you'll find very similar motifs running through them.
This isnt news really, as most work deconstructing the bible and esablishing its roots in mythology was done in the 18th Century.

Anyway, the loaves and fishes story is fine since that story went in while Jesus' diet regime went out so no readers of the new testement would be aware that jesus wouldnt actually be partial to fish, or the flesh of any living creature for that matter.

PS the Book Of Enoch is another major chunk of the bible that got the chop, I recomend this as well as it makes references to a great many facts that make Jesus into someone much more 'human' and go into some detail about his marriage to Mary magdalene etc, later branded as 'heresy' by the catholic church, but this book was a fundamental part of the new testement!

Regards,
Douglas

[Gandalf]

Oops!
Sorry, disregard that bit about the book on Enoch, I was thinking of another book!

The book of Enoch IS a part of the bible that was removed though,  but it details the nature of the angels and the rebellon of the angels etc, and looks to have been written in the 1st/2nd century BC at least. Jesus himself used it as a source of many of his own teachings and it was held in high regard before it fell out of favour with the christian highearchy.

Cheers,
Douglas

[WalkerInTheWoods]

How do we know that the Christian Bible that is in wide use today is Jesus's original teachings? It is most likely impossible for us to have all of his original teachings as, as far as I know Jesus never wrote any texts. Those that were written were written after his death. Most of the New Testiment was wrtten years, decades, or more after his crucifixion.

The thing that sort of upsets me is the lack of this knowledge, atleast in my area. People do not take the time to think about where their religion came from or how the written texts came to their hands, as I have explained above. I am not attacking Christianity. Just because the ideas and texts have changed over time is not really a bad thing. All things need to grow and develop. But the hiding of truth and the past as well as trying to keep the followers in a "just accept it" frame of mind seems rather bad to me. If their ideas are in fact true then they should hold up to questions and searching. It seems that they should only fear it if the religion has no strong foundation in truth.

Maybe Jesus did in fact teach such a strict diet. But I can see why it would be dropped because it is just not practical for everyone. So would this change be bad? I guess the early church tried to do the same and cut out what they felt was not practical, but it would seem that they probably left out things that would threaten their power as well. In this information age that we live it, having all the information to make our own choices seems best to me.

[Gandalf]

Well, the earliest sources we really have are the Essene teachings found in the dead sea scrolls, dating from 1st C AD.
The Essenes were a cult that practiced the teachings of a prophet called Jesus Christ.

The later christian cult/religion stemmed from the Essene movement (and at some point lost the point that the essene movement was meant to be a way of life rather than an organised religion).

Of course you could ague that maybe even the Essenes were making up/distorting Christs original teachings.
If this is true then we really have *NO IDEA* what Christ was really teaching, as the essenes are the earliest source we currently have of Christ's teachings.
It doesnt matter really, the point remains that the original essene teachings have been twisted/chopped by later Christian religion.
whether the Essenes really did live by the words of Christ we may never know.

Douglas

[Paukki]

Anybody read Gregg Braden's "The Isaiah Effect"?  ("Decoding the Lost Science of Prayer and Prophecy" is the subtitle.)  In that book, Braden states that the Essenes were formed as collectives, or communities of scholars, going back 500 years before Christ. Evidently they were the first people to openly condemn slavery, and killing animals for food.  If you haven't read this book yet, I'd recommend it, (if you're into that sort of thing).  Years ago I was up late listening to the radio, one night, and a guest speaker was an expert on the Dead Sea Scrolls.  It's been a long time since I heard it, but I remember well how this professor talked abut the virulent anti-Roman feelings of the Essenes, and of how they were constantly predicting the violent, God-led downfall of Rome.  The professor said that the book of Revelations, at the end of the New Testament, is a very good example of Essene writing, and added that the Essenes did a lot of writing in "code", to protect themselves.  (Revelations is full of symbolism, or "code".)  Which me reminds of reading in a Bible handbook, long ago, that either Iraneus or Polycarp, (one was the student, the other the teacher), a student of St. John, decoded the number 666 as "Lateinos", or "Latin Kingdom".  And there you have the Essenes virulent anti-Romanism again.  Back to the professor.....his theory was that the undoubtedly highly political, anti-Roman message of the Essenes, of the time of Christ, was "Hellenized" as it spread into Greece and the rest of the Roman world.  Meaning?  Meaning it was made kindler, gentler, and thus enabled to ride along on the great, inflential seas of Pax Romana.  What began as very political and anti-Roman ends up being all about loving one's enemies, forgiveness, etc.  One more note:  Glenn Kimball's books, ("Hidden Stories of the Childhoood of Jesus", and "Hidden Politics of the Crucifixtion", and I think he has at least one more out, now),  have some interesting things to say, including about Essenes, Gnostics, Jesus' ability to write, the burning of all books written by women around the year 200 a.d., the onus of the crucifixtion being transferred from the Romans to the Jews,  and a lot more.  (If you're into that sort of thing.)  His information comes from a lifetime of chasing down and studying old manuscripts.
--Paukki

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Speaking of code and protection. I have read that the New Testiment books such as Mark, Luke, etc and the signed letters were not actually written, or most likely not written, by the disciples that the names imply. It was common practice during the time to write such text using the name of someone well know, if a name was used at all,  to keep the actual writter anonymous and thus avoid presecution, prosecution, or worse.

[Gandalf]

Interesting,
I read that Christ and the Essene movement was basically (one of several) resistence movements to roman rule in the region.

There has been some interesting research done recently by a german historian which shows good evidence that christian/essene activists actually started the great fire of Rome durig Nero's reign. he historian discovered that the date of the fire coresponded to a sacred date of the essene/christian movement that was menat to be a day of apocolypse. Its looks like the activists were hoping to make the old phrophesy's come true.
Evidence shosw that large fires were started in several other roman cities ON THE SAME NIGHT!

So in fact, Nero was quite justified in punishing those responsible for these acts of terrorism. Of course Nero was later painted in a less than favourable light by later christian propaganda (not that he was a saint himself by any means but who in power usually is?).

Regards,
Douglas

[WalkerInTheWoods]

That is interesting Gandalf. Where did you find this research and can you point me towards it.

I think the problem is we have enough trouble actually find out who committed a crime or terrorist act today. How can be actually know if any one group actually did it thousands of years ago? Could very well have just been that the powers that be wanted to pin something on a certain group and did, especially if that group opposes your rule. Hard to say but I would like to see research.

[Gandalf]

I'll try to find the name of the German historian, his research was published in an academic journal last year, I'll be damned if I can remember his name though.

Time to go a-hunting!

Douglas

[kakkarot]

the essence of christianity is Love.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

in the end, no matter what arguments are concocted or what opinions rule the day, christianity is all about Loving.

~kakkarot

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[Paukki]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot:
the essence of christianity is Love.

"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" 37 And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets."

in the end, no matter what arguments are concocted or what opinions rule the day, christianity is all about Loving.

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets
 

Perhaps Judaism is all about loving, also, since in the above quote it was a Jew quoting from Jewish scriptures.
Perhaps the essence of  all existence is Love.
Someone might cry foul! "But look at all the evil in existence! How can a good tree bear so much bad fruit?!"
And the same thing might be said of religions.  Or of  sciences, for that matter.  And so on.
What is the essence of this topic within this forum?
--Paukki

[Gandalf]

>in the end, no matter what arguments are concocted or what opinions rule the day, christianity is all about Loving.

~kakkarot


I'm afraid that this does not address what we are discussing about in this thread, which is concerned with the *written* teachings and their vast difference in the earliest versions to the latest. The fact being that Jesus would not be at all chuffed to find that his ideas for a spiritual way of life based on love (like you say) has been perverted into an organised world religion, complete with written scriptures (which Jesus was ALSO dead against, 'the scripture are as dead as the men who wrote them'.

We do not know for caertain what Jesus was really saying though as the very earliest writings come from the essenes in the 1st Century, and they claim to be living according to the words of Christ. However, they could be making up these teachings as well, That would be a shame because then we would really have NO IDEA what Christ was really teaching.
Your quote comes from the New Testement which is not reliable as has now been proved. (your quote from the NT  IS consistent with the earlier scriptures, its just that anybody who really wants to get closer to Christs original teachings would be well advised to look at far earlier material)

I would advise that you look to  the original essene teachings as these are the 'new testement' in its earliest form. Be warnd though, if you think that all the words of the NT are carved in stone direct from god, then you are in for a major shock!

Regards,
Douglas

[WalkerInTheWoods]

It seems to me that if Jesus wanted his ideas and words to live on he would have actually written something. Then again he probably knew what would happen to them, the same thing that has happened to what has been written. They would have been changed and turned into a religion.

Since all of the writings in Christianity are written by other people, is it not possible that these people added their own views into their writtings which may or may not have went along with what Jesus said. These things could have been intential or not. If a group of people witness an event, or lets say a speach, they will each have their own views on it and some may unintentially add their own thoughts to it when it was never actually expressed originally. Ever played telephone, or whatever you may call it in your region, where one person whispers in the ear of another and then they into another until the message has passed between several people. By the time it gets to the end the message has usually changed. Even in everyday life gossip can change from the original message by the time it gets around to a few people. With this in mind realize the way of life during the time of Jesus. They did not have anything to record this teachings such as tape recorders. Most people could not read or write. All of the writings have been dated back to after his leaving of this world. So everything written about Jesus and his teachings came from either the memory of people who witnessed him years before or from word of mouth. So how much accuracy can we merit these writings?

[Joe]

Hi Gandalf - I don't mean to offend anyone's beliefs, but I don't buy Dr Edmond Szeleky's accounts of Essene teaching. In fact, if you check out his site ([a]http://www.rancholapuerta.com[/a]) and other Szeleky-related websites , it looks like *he's* the one misconstruing ancient teachings to peddle biogenic products, even though he was a good man with honest intentions. I agree with Kakkarot - so many times Jesus emphasised the *intention* being people's actions, not their physical actions, which were unimportant. He was born into Judaism, which had literally *hundreds* of rules about ritual cleanliness, what food could be consumed, etc. His response was, "It isn't what goes into a man's mouth that makes him unclean, but what comes out of it." (ie, the mind and heart). I highly doubt he'd then go on to advise a strict course of vegetarianism, and such ridiculous measures as only baking bread under the sun. Didn't mother Earth give us fire? Should we also discontinue using eating utensils, or wearing man-made clothes, etc, etc?  There are hundreds of self-proclaimed "experts" with every possible belief under the Sun. It is untrue also that the Q (Qumran) scripts are the oldest or most authentic accounts of Jesus life and teachings - Roman accounts from Josephus and Tacitus are as old, and many other manuscripts of the original Gospel letters are very close (same century). Regarding whether the Gospels are accurate, and/or whether they contain Jesus' real teachings, that is too big and too complicated to put in an internet post http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>, and theoretical answers are without value anyways.

Peace brother.

[Gandalf]

Hi Joe,
Some good points here. I would add though that Dr Edmond Szeleky's origninal translations are very good and he made an excellent job of translating the qumran texts.
I never said that I bought into the biogenic 'industry' that has sprout out of the dead sea scroll texts, I agree that much peddling has being going on since Szeleky's time, however, as you state this was never his intention, he cant be heldresponsible for the later actions of others.
The fact remains that Jesus' dietry system and other teachings ie the Earthly Mother etc are accurate as translated.
The question is whether the essene writers of the Qumran texts were living according to his system or whether they were making it up.

I acknowelege that some texts relating to Jesus teachings date to approx the same date but these are moslty Roman texts ie tacitus and Josephus as you rightly say.
However these writers are writing from an outside Roman perspective that colours their views and also contains much heresay and speculation taken as fact.
The importance of the aramaic texts is that these are actually written by the Christian 'hardcore' of the period and offer a viewpoint from those on the inside who are in the best position to know Christ's original teachings.
Of course that does not mean that they could not have altered them either but there is likely to be a higher degree of acuracy in these than there would from roman writers who were have only outside perspective to go on.

It's also important to remember that teachings meant for the Roman public have been watered down to make them more likely to be recieved, and any early christian missionary work meant for Roman readership suffers from this.

Regards,
Douglas

PS I have never said that i actually beleive the essene teachings to be the *exact* words of Christ, only that they are likley to have more accuracy than other sources. I do not rule out the fact that the essenes have added their own particular flavouring to the mix as well. However I think it's quite logical say that they are a  lot closer to Christ's original teachings than later New testement teaching as it simply cannor be denied that a lot of material has been altered added/removed.
My suggestion is simply that if people want to get a more accurate view of Christ's teachings it is more logical to look at the far earlier material, such as essene teaching (or other  sources - eg The book of Enoch - PRE-DATING Christ by a century and which Christ used as a source for a lot of his teaching, approved by the later church but then omited entirely).
It is simply more logical to do this than to look at the New testement.
However, I am a historian so perhaps I'm getting hung up on procedure here but from historical method dictates that you trace back to earliest sources for a given event as later versions contain inaccuracies. Later writings based on earlier material always contain the viewpoints of those the time in which it was written.

Regards,
Douglas

PS I still have the upmost respect for the man himself (Christ) and I am in no doubt that he was a very important ancient teacher, even if I don't accept the notion that he was the son of god. Evidence suggests that the 'Son of Man' did not intend for that notion become the norm either.
I can't help thinking that he would be turning in his grave if he knew that his teachings had turned into an organised, centralised world religion!

[jokiesmurf]

ok quick bible lesson, remember the old don't eat pork for it is a cloven hoof
and don't eat anything from water without scales
Well this is practical
Does that mean we will adhere
no it does not
Christ was saying the way we should do things
If we do not do them we are not at our full health potential
That is all
About the only thing like that that I agree with in the bible is cover a cup if your gonna drink out of it ( keeps flies out and germs)

ltk

[kakkarot]

kay, i have thought about this for a while and i have concluded in my own mind that the 'essenes' (sp?) were a group that just used jesus name to further their own religion. after all, didn't someone say that they were in existance since before jesus? if this is so, then that speaks volumes for the above idea. and also: "complete with written scriptures (which Jesus was ALSO dead against, 'the scripture are as dead as the men who wrote them"": if this were true then ALL of the scriptures would be worthless; both the bible and the essenes, which is a complete paradox therefore nullifying the argument in a logical manner.

so i believe that the bible was written by mortals (humans to be specific); the old testament representing the old judaic system and the new testament being a compilation of books and letters to represent the new "way" of God's will. but in the end, it really doesn't matter what i believe, for only the truth matters    .

~kakkarot

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[Gandalf]

>but in the end, it really doesn't matter what i believe, for only the truth matters .
~kakkarot

I agree, but what's the truth? Thats where the problems/arguments start!

I'm not saying I agree with everything the Essenes say, in fact I've made it clear that I think some of it is plainly ridiculous and impracticle, eg diet - uncooked fruit and veg, no fire etc

I agree that the bit about Jesus denouncing written scripture is contradictory as how are the essenes meant to diseminate their teachings down through the ages?

From what I can gather through, It isnt quite as self contadictory as at first seen. The essenes central philosophy was that their teachings were to be a living breathing, way of life philosophy. They rallied against the old judaic tyrannt of slavishly following old commands in old scriptures.

They lived according to Jesus (apparant) philosophy that his teachings should be spread by word of mouth.
This concept has survived in modern christianity, however christianity has got so large now and has gone on so long that it is impossible  for it to survive on word of mouth alone. This was realised quite early on so it was written down.
There comes the contradiction, However it must be remembered that Jesus/and /or the essenes didnt intend the spread of chritianity to last this long, in the original text and even in the NT it is quite clear that Jesus tought that the end of times was to happen very soon. It was an apocyliptic philosphy, quite common in the ancient world.  However, the Roman world did not end quite as soon as expected.

Douglas

[amcturbo]

This has been an interesting topic to follow and a lot of very good, very valid points have been made by a lot of you.  I commend you all for the many statements you've made and thoughts you've brought up.

Now that I've been experiencing the phenomena of Out-of-Body Exploration for almost a year now, as well as learning about many, many skills that us humans *can* have ... it has got me wondering about the DETAILS of Christianity ... almost to the point that I was pretty close to dumping much of what I believe (have been TAUGHT) as I have been a Christian for 13 years ... that is until I came across a couple of books that shed some new light on Christianity, Christ, the early Church (after crucifixion and resurrection), eternity, and humanity.  If these resources are truly true ... and my heart chakra says "yes" ... then the history books truly will be re-written.

1)  "The Messengers" by Julie Ingram :  This book covers the real-life story of Oregon businessman Nick Bunick, who accidentally discovers that he is the reincarnation of the APOSTLE PAUL.  He doesn't know what to do with this "information" and is basically pushed repeatedly by many people to publish his story.  On top of that, he and many people around him, begin having encounters with Angels on a repeated basis ... all so that Nick's message can be published and heard.  The book DETAILS that Paul actually knew Jesus BEFORE he died, unlike what the Bible teaches.  It also discusses REINCARNATION as a basic belief of Jesus and Paul ... and that Jesus LEARNED under the Essenes, a third religious sect of Judaism.  Also, that Jesus really was the Messiah prophesied about.  I highly recommend this book ... and plan to research its implications diligently on the Astral.  You can check out Nick's website at http://www.thegreattomorrow.org

2)  "Embraced by the Light" by Betty J. Eadie : This is the real-life account of the author's 1973 Near Death Experience, which possibly lasted for 4 hours of physical time death.  What Betty experienced directly after death was astounding to hear about.  Once again, Jesus and Reincarnation are both discussed.

Now, in my quest for ever increasing knowledge and truth, I am going to research the GNOSTIC GOSPELS, of which include the Gospel of Thomas, which some historians date to BEFORE the four cannonized gospels were authored ... and that Gospel of Thomas was used for the writing of some the Gospels in the Bible.  The Gnostic gospels were found in Egypt in the 1940's. I am also going to research the various books that were LEFT OUT of the Bible when it was cannonized, as well as a translation of the Bible directly from the Aramaic ... aparently there were a lot of mistranslations of words when the King James Bible was translated.

Lastly, as many of us have experienced in our OBEs, some of what we experience is vastly different than what has been written about the Bible ... which does cause one the ask God questions about "reality" and "truth".  I'll be seeking after Jesus in the Astral to discuss many of these topics with him ... among others that include "Did I have on OBE during Baptism?"



Cheers!
Greg Taylor

"Whatever consciousness may be, it's not a small thing" - Ingo Swann
"Oh, I... ain't got no ... body" - David Lee Roth (Van Halen)

[Gandalf]

Hi Greg!
I wish you well with your studies, there's lots of great info out there.

With regards to reincarnation, I think that this IS compatible with (original) christianity, if you do a bit of historical research you'll find that reincarnation was accepted until  325 AD when at the Council of Nicea, presided over by Emperor Constantine, it was decided BY VOTE that the concept of reincarnation was no longer to be considered as part of christian doctrine.
Incidentaly, (but also of major importance!) it was at this council that a vote was taken to decide whether Jesus was a prophet or a god, the vote went in favour of him being a god.
The counci lof Nicea is a true turning pont in the evolution of Christianity as it was here that much of what we would all consider as christianity would sprout from. Constantine himself injected many of his own personal opinions and theories that were taken on board and adopted.
(even although it has later emerged that Constantine was 'being' christian really only for political reasons as he needed extra support and he remained in fact a believer of the religion/cult of Mithraism for most of his life, he was onlly actually babtised in the last year of his life!

Your quite right about mistranslations being an issue as well.

The whole thing about 'eternal hellfire' beloved of american evangelists, is actually a miss qoute, possibly deliberate.
The greek version simply states the time spent in the lower regions as being an 'eon', this can mean varying (but finite) periods of time, but at the time this was written, an eon was typically a hundred years.

However, each time this is mentioned in the english version, the transaltor has mistranslated 'eon' for 'eternal'. Many scholars think this must be deliberate however, as in other sections where eon is used in a diffeent context, the translator has no problem with the word. This is of huge importance as it contradicts the later notion of the simplistic christian doctrine of 'lead a good life go to heaven forever, lead a bad life burn in hell forever'

If you want a quick run down of these and other bits of historical info, Victor Zammit's Spiritual Truth site lists many of them on his 'Afterlife Faq'!

I think that it's high time that people who wish to be proper christians now discard much the crud that has accumulated over the centuries and return to his original teachings as I'm sure that that is what the man himself would have wanted, no-ones saying this is an easy task but its wothwhile I think!

Regards,
Douglas