explanation of oneness between people

[Athios]

Hmm......interesting analogy/idea there.
But it makes me wonder, the 'they' that exists after the eight years...

Did 'they' originally exist? As a part of the two people?

Or are 'they' just artifacts, distorted versions of the original people that were created as a result of the eight years in isolation?

[Psypunk]

I'm not really sure where you are coming from on this topic.  I am huge into punk and was in a hardcore punk band for a while. But the majority of my friends are rappers.  Identity and personality don't come from the music you listen to.  The average person usually connects with others of similar music tastes becasue in our modern day society, music is one of the largest linking factors.  I don't think this is right though.  You don't go out and make friend's based on their preferance of movies, so why make friends based purely on music tastes?  Every single human being in this world has something in common, and that is the desire to be happy.  So why set up so many barries like race differance, music tastes, etc...?   Every single human being is the same when you get to the core of it.  The only thing that causes so much conflict in this world is the differance in perception.  I feel that any two human beings regardless of culture, religion, race, etc.. can get along because everyone shares the exact same desire to be accepted, loved and wanted. I think if everyone had my mentality there would be world peace. People seem to be to hung up on the insignificant differances (like differance in race, music taste, religion, etc..)

[rodentmouse]

hmmm,   after thinking  about it,  a more appropriate title  would have been "explanation about the "real"  self and that were more than  our temporary personalities"

my point  was Athios  that  the  most  people  think of  there identity as  being  "them"  e.g.   say  you  are a gangsta rap  fan  ( i will stereotype)   you wear  your  jewelry,  you  wear the  typical clothes and  you  act in  a certain  way  that distinguishes  gangsta rap  culture....  as  far  as  the member of  this  culture is  concerned  he  is  that,  and  thats  as in depth  as his consious awareness aknoledges....

but he is  not that,   he  is the consious  mind which  allows  this  personality  to grow and  become in the first place...  

basically,  at base level  all humans are consious  beings,   we  are not  born  with personalities,  they  develop  as we grow  up,  and  change as  we  age  as  our   world  changes.

i  read  a  quote  the other day which suites  my point  precisely....

"the  consiousness is the canvas of the personality"

but  most people associate  there personality  as being "them"


psypunk...

i  completely  agree with what  you say,    there  are   millions  of  factors  which alienate man from man....  but  at  base level,  when  we  shun  our  personalities we  are  identicle.

i think people  should  aknoledge  this,  to  feel  a  sense  of  unity  or  connection with each other...

they  should  know that  "yes,  i  have  accumulated  experiences  all my life  and  yes,  a  personality  has  grown  because of these,  but  what  was i before these experiences moulded me, when i was still a baby?
i  was a consious being,
i  had no  knowledge  of  the world  i was born  into,
i  wasnt  moulded  by  culture, race, sex, age,  religion etc  into being part of  any group...
the only  thing  i  was aware of  were my  immediate surroundings  and my own awareness... that  WAS all...  

one  thing  we will agree to  disagree on  is..

"Identity and personality don't come from the music you listen to"

to  the majority  i  think they do..

[Mirador]

RodentMouse,

Stop playing magician's apprentice, and don't try to lift yourself up by pulling on your tail. Your personality is both hardwired and the product of your culture, you can't tinker with it from the inside as you propose and it's a sure ticket to the madhouse.

[rodentmouse]

mirador,  im  not  saying  tinker with it  or change it,  atleast i dont think  am...

im just saying  thats  its  better to aknoledge  that  its only temporary  when it comes to the bigger picture..

when i meditate,  all that matters  is  my being...
 my hobbies,  my  friends,  my  interests,  my  life situation  do not matter when i meditate...

from  my meditation experience  i  know  that  my  meditative mind is  closer to the real "me"  than  my  normal, everyday life is.

i dont  think  pure life essence  has  any beleifs, opinions, attitudes etc...

when im meditating , i am closer to  feeling  my  more fundamental essence than  when im not   meditating... this fundamental  essence  exists in  us all,  but  most people  dont attune to it.

[jilola]

Hello to the Rodent!

I think that RodentMouse is getting at is that we normally create our identity as something based on things outside ourselves.
An example is associating and identifying with, say, musical trends, ideological paradigms, cultures and subcultures of various sorts while forgetting the fact that while we may be members of those groups they are not us.
Our identity has to be based on us and with what is within us. Otherwise it'll only be a reflection and an illusion that changes as the surroundings change.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[fredhedd]

mirador, were you saying that rodent mouses personality is hardwired and that everyone elses is the product of their culture, or everyones is hardwired and a product of their culture?  

by this do you mean that people are born w/ their personality and can't change it?  and by attempting to do so that they will go mad?  

rodent i think you hit on a good observation.  one that i think only applies to a few differnet music groups though.  rap, death metal, punk to name a few.  or at least, these are the ones that are most obvious.  a hardcore country fan or classical music fan wouldn't neccessarily tend to adopt a personality in tune w/ their music.  there would be more of a chance that they would just enjoy their music and go on w/ their personality.  

on the other hand the stereotypical personalities of these groups definetly mold themselves in accordance w/ the music they listen to.  they become their personality.  instead of creating their own from inside, they pick one according to the stereotype and strive to become that.  obviously if you could isolate any one of them for an amount of time you would see the personality change into something more real.  

as jilola said, music isn't the only thing that holds these stereotypes.  i'll bet that even someones race is responsible for their personality in some cases.  some people think that they should feel a certain way (hate or love) about certain things or even other races/cultures due to what they were born into.  

[jilola]

... which is what causes racism.
Nuff said by a classical, punk rapping, death metal head, country and polka , new age humming white nordic bugger.

What we are is not what we have or what we conform to.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[fredhedd]

i just thought of something else that i think is interesting.  how a person looks physically will greatly effect the way they act.  being an butt because you think you are hot or being too shy because you aren't confident in yourself is common.

[jilola]

Effigies burned on the pyres of self-delusion, man.
What we are has nothing at all to do with anything you can grab and carry home.
And I'l lay off the funny looking stamps now.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Anonymous]

At birth we bring nothing with us. At death we take nothing away.

[Anonymous]

One of the best feelings in the world is the feeling of finding your soulmate and sharing your life with them. Your connection with them can become so strong that you become "one."

[rodentmouse]

hello to the people

im  trying  to  identify  the  personality  and  the  GOD  in  us  all  with  this  explanation,  so...  IMAGINE......

 you  lock   a  rap  music  fan  and a punk music  fan  in a cell  together  for  (lets say) 8  years  without letting them out,  and feeding  them  through a  hole in the door.

DAY  ONE

at  first they  would  stand  at  opposite  sides of the room  together judging and  forming conceptions  each others  appearance,     body  language,  and  intuiting  the kind  of  presence/energy   each  other radiate  to  the  collective  atmosphere of the room....

they  would  do  this  because  they   have identified themselves  with  there personalities/egos  and fear  what  is  different,  because it  threatens  there  way  of  thinking  and  living.

FIRST  YEAR

eventually  without  the  backup  of  there  cultures  to   fall back on, they  would  have to  form  there own  union,  its  in  our nature to want  comfort and  security i  think...

So,  here  is  where  the  identities  die,  they  are no longer the  rap and  punk fan with all there  culture based ideas and opinions,   they  are simply  2  human  beings  in a cell  which they  have now  come to realise.

FIFTH  YEAR

there  personalities  are now  dead and  gone, they  are now  completely  different  people  where they have  there own  small and simple  way of  life in  this cell.

the   atmosphere (energy)  is  now  one  of  comfort,  trust,  understading,  cooperation and friendship.  when  they  first got in  it  was  hostile,  bitter,  fearful,  tense.

EIGHTH  YEAR

they  realise "hey  i  wasnt  the  rap/punk  fan  i  thought  i  was because im a completely  different person  to  who i was then"

they  ask  "who are we really if we werent  who we thought we was"

i  say  they  are the  consiousness  which  makes  it  possible for  those  personalities to exist in the  first place.

personalities  (which  most people  identify  as being  THEM)  will  come  and  go, will  live and  die....  but  the  LIFE ESSENCE   is  who they really are...  the  eternal god  within us  all-   THAT  doesnt  recognise  culture,race,gender,age,creed,religion  etc...  that  IS  unity,  the  fundamental  energy  within  everything.