What happens to the body if spirit leaves and doesnt come back?

[beavis]

There have been times when I was out there and had no plans to come back but later decided to because it would have unbalanced things or I had a few specific things I wanted to do first, various reasons each time. As I see it, you are ready when you look at the facts, consider your options, and choose it.

What would have happened to my body?

Do you lose soul pieces, one part of you staying in the body and another part going its separate way?

Does the body die while lacking the energy input of spirit(s) to keep it healthy?

Does the body live on mostly without spirit, kind of like a zombie?

Does time stop from your perspective so you can go experience long times out there then come back to the body as if you had just left?

[Stillwater]

Probably something like the last one. I and others have had experiences that seemed to last for actual weeks, but happened all in one night.

[Volgerle]

I think the healthier and more vital a body is, the stronger is the 'magnetic pull' (speaking metaphorically) to get you back to body.

Hence, people who are more ill, probably even fatal illness, might have a less stronger pull and there is more possibility that they one time stay out for good (die). Probably this also applies to old age.

Same happens in NDEs when you even can 'decide' to come back and stay because you get revived by the emergency team, or say good-bye and pass over to the spirit side. All because your body/brain, etc. is severely damaged, vitality low and thus the pull (or the 'cord' binding you) is weaker.

I assume that as a healthy individual you could not even stay out deliberately (and hereby commit suicide) because the default pull (built into your system) of the healthy physical is just too strong.

[Stillwater]

I think the healthier and more vital a body is, the stronger is the 'magnetic pull' (speaking metaphorically) to get you back to body.

Hence, people who are more ill, probably even fatal illness, might have a less stronger pull and there is more possibility that they one time stay out for good (die). Probably this also applies to old age.

I think this is heavily dependent on the paradigm you ascribe to though. For instance, I tend to think that we never actually leave our bodies and go to some external place, but rather we go to a different corner of our brain which is able to pull in data from metaphysical realities we don't normally experience. You could see how a person taking such a view would not gravitate toward the concept of being trapped outside, since you would never have left.

[Volgerle]

I think this is heavily dependent on the paradigm you ascribe to though. For instance, I tend to think that we never actually leave our bodies and go to some external place, but rather we go to a different corner of our brain which is able to pull in data from metaphysical realities we don't normally experience. You could see how a person taking such a view would not gravitate toward the concept of being trapped outside, since you would never have left.

Neither do I subscribe to the 'empty body' theory. I believe too as long as there is vitality, there is your 'soul' in it, but it is for the most part independent of your 'conscious focus' because it is your subconscious (energy-information-intelligence) which plays a role in keeping your body 'alive and running'. Same with AP, it is like sending out a drone or (in other words) enhancing your otherwise anyway unlimited consciousness.

The brain is more like a filter. Yes, there might be different parts of the brain responsible for (filtering) different (a) portholes/windows or (b) gateways/portals to the other non-default realities. Imv, we could discuss endlessly without a result if (a) or (b) is more correct and what 'leaving' the body means, as we know that beyond our physical dimension time-space rules do not apply. If there is no 'space' as we know it (nor time?) how can we say we are 'here, there, in, out, far, away' etc.? So the discussion of portholes vs. gateways is an interesting, but otherwise unproductive one as it might simply not apply to the concepts we still not do (and might never) grasp at human level and secondly we could never prove if it's this or that way or if there's a third way beyond our imagination.

[beavis]

Certainly theres some parts of brains (or unusual combinations of them) that experiences of astral get translated into memories we understand, but there is an independent reality that does not need our brains. Telekinesis is an example, more than just an experience, it is changing the world at a distance, being literally outside the body. Astral is another such experience.

[Xanth]

Certainly theres some parts of brains (or unusual combinations of them) that experiences of astral get translated into memories we understand, but there is an independent reality that does not need our brains. Telekinesis is an example, more than just an experience, it is changing the world at a distance, being literally outside the body. Astral is another such experience.

Anything you can directly experience can get translated into a memory upon retaining that experience.

Telekinesis is simply the concept of changing your reality around you.  It's not really at a distance, because it's not like distance is objective.  You're consciousness... and as such, you are everything, including that pinwheel you're attempting to "spin".

[beavis]

Xanth "we are everything" is another way to say high dimensional quantum entanglement, as in the theory that spacetime is made of entanglement. I find it more useful to describe the world by its statistically repeatable properties. Even astral and subjective experiences have physical reality at some level.

[Xanth]

Xanth "we are everything" is another way to say high dimensional quantum entanglement, as in the theory that spacetime is made of entanglement. I find it more useful to describe the world by its statistically repeatable properties. Even astral and subjective experiences have physical reality at some level.

What now?

[Micael]

If the body has strong vitality can the consciousness even take off that easy? I'm a little sceptikal on this one.

Probably something like the last one. I and others have had experiences that seemed to last for actual weeks, but happened all in one night.

Stillwater if I could refer you to my time dilation thread I would be a very happy guy.