Guides

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Veccolo

Hello, I don't know if this is the right section for such questions, so feel free to move this thread.

Let's say I have a guide. I mean a real guide, not some fool who pretends to be one. How would I "get rid of" him/her?

That's a serious question.

Thanks

Stephan

Hi,

Can it be assumed that you mean a spirit guide type of entity?

If so can I also assume that you mean something like preventing them from intruding on your daily life etc. This is something that from personal experience and via the way I have been taught is something that guides or helpers would always respect anyway. Although when someone starts to develop as a medium or channel one can often be wide open to spirit and other influences, and this can feel somewhat overwhelming at first.

To counter or control this there are plenty of good exercises you can use. The first is to send clear and respectful thoughts to your helper(s) stating your intention to only welcome their presence at set days and times for example. If they are your helpers then this would be absolutely honoured. Otherwise they would only contact you if there was a reasonably urgent need for them to do so, or to assist you in some particular lesson or challenge.

Secondly if you feel that you are getting contacts at unwelcome times and really want your own space then there are meditations which can help. Some of these are in Robert Bruce's book PPSD. Look up the white light technique, although some people think it does not work - I have never had a problem with this. Try perhaps the Tower of Light exercise on this site, standard banishing rituals or say the Great Invocation.

However here are a couple of simplified ones.

Send the initial thought asking to be left alone as above – then make a clear intention that you are in a protective space and erect in your minds eye panels of glass all around you say shaped like a cube. Placing each plate in turn until you are completely enclosed! This is also useful when in the company of people if you feel their energy disturbing or draining as an example.

Try perhaps a sphere meditation. In this case apply the same intent and visualize a sphere forming. Approach the sphere and create a doorway into it. Pass through the door and seal or lock it behind you. You can then make this sacred space in any way you choose. Some people place cushions or carpet and set the light to a suitable ambience as wished. When you feel you are comfortable you can exit the sphere and get on with whatever you would normally do.

Similarly if you wanted to develop better communication with a helper then you could invite them into this space and ask that they show you something or offer a gift to you as a token of trust etc. Again after that you would ask them politely to pull away and allow you to have your own space again before completing the meditation or attunement.

Guides or helpers will always come giving sensations of love and comforting feelings – if however you just seem get pure dry communication, however exalted e.g. lots of fancy philosophy and no good emotions then ensure that you send clear thoughts that the spirit should move away and finish your sitting with a prayer of protection. This is something that really should be taken as read.

Hope this makes sense to you.

All the best,


Stephen

[Veccolo]

Hello EOL007,

thank you very much for your reply. Yes I meant spirit guides and similar beings. I needed to ask because I don't have any first-hand experience with the "other" world.

It's good to hear that these guides respect our privacy. But what if I tell my "guide" (if I have one) that I don't need him/her at all? Will he/she go away?

It's just that I hate being looked after by other people on what I do. I like to be on my own, even if I make "mistakes".

Thanks

Stephan

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Veccolo

Hello EOL007,

thank you very much for your reply. Yes I meant spirit guides and similar beings. I needed to ask because I don't have any first-hand experience with the "other" world.

Appreciate your point!

quote:It's good to hear that these guides respect our privacy. But what if I tell my "guide" (if I have one) that I don't need him/her at all? Will he/she go away?

If you actually have a guide(s) that is! There is some debate between those who say everyone has a guide and those who believe we don't. Other opinions include that we all have guardian angels as an example. I think one thing for sure is that we all have a divine aspect which can reveal itself to us when we are ready to accept that part of our nature! I would think that guides/helpers/higher self they may be disappointed if you rejected their wish to work with you on a conscious level, but would still honour your request regardless. Also if you are participating on this forum – can I assume that you have an interest in astral projection and or some other aspects of extra normal or spiritual learning/experience? If so then in all likelihood you will most likely encounter what may be perceived as other beings at some stage!

quote:It's just that I hate being looked after by other people on what I do. I like to be on my own, even if I make "mistakes".

I respect that is the way you feel, however as far as I have seen guiding individuals and aspects of your higher self are non judgmental in the way people with bodies are. Although spirits of deceased individuals often present with the same set of beliefs and opinions they had during life. This would make sense as a matter of differentiation between a more evolved being like a guide or helper and a say other spirit visitors. There are a number of different models for afterlife states or worlds, but then that is another subject etc.

I have my own understanding on guides etc is something which continually evolves as part of my learning experience anyhow. As no doubt it does for each person who is aware of this type of spirit contact etc.

I would also be interested to see what other forum participants think on this subject?

Regards,


Stephen

[James S]

Guides, as the name itsself directly implies, have a purpose in communicating with us. They are not meant to be our pals, or substitutes for real world relationshipw, they are not meant to be some showpiece to boast about to others, or in any other ways serve to expand our egos.

There are many different theories about guides, but whatever theory you chose to accept, there is one important core issue to consider - they are there to direct you, to teach you, to open your mind to ways and ideas that would otherwise be closed to you. Their purpose is to help you realise the potential of your spirit, and what is achievable in this physical world through knowledge of the energies of our spirits.

The most important guide for anyone is their higher spirit self. This is the part of you that exists as part of the Divine. Your intuition, your emotions, your creativity, your imagination are all ways in which you connect to your highr spirit, and draw on its knowledge.

Along the way, if you have a particular path you are walking, it is not at all unusual to gather about you one, or possibly several guides, each with a specific purpose relating to your spiritual development or realisation.

A guide such as this is not with you 24/7. When you develop a relationship with a guide you get to know indicators of when they are around - a sight, a sound, feeling or touch, that lets you know they are near. They will come to you usually at times when you need them. They are not voyeurs, they will not intrude on your privacy and they definitely to not act against your free will.

If you are in doubt about your guide, as to whether they are true or beneficial, or indeed meant to be with you, and you have no real way of testing the spirits yourself, seek out someone who can. Visit a trusted and reputable medium - get advice from someone who is able to discern the spirits.

Kind regards,
James.

[Eol007]

Hi James,

Nicely put!

Stephen

[Veccolo]

Thank you both for your explanations.

EOL007:

quote:
I think one thing for sure is that we all have a divine aspect which can reveal itself to us when we are ready to accept that part of our nature! I would think that guides/helpers/higher self they may be disappointed if you rejected their wish to work with you on a conscious level, but would still honour your request regardless.

Yep, that's all I wanted to know. Thank you.

quote:
Also if you are participating on this forum – can I assume that you have an interest in astral projection and or some other aspects of extra normal or spiritual learning/experience?

I have a high interest in astral projection, but not in spiritual learning at the moment. I want to AP just for the fun part of it, to be honest. I might have had Astral projections before, I don't know, but I've had lucid dreams. I heard lucid dreams are the same/simililar to astral projections, and because I read that there are other beings like guides, negs etc. out there, I asked.

Negs are another topic I'm interested in, maybe in another thread ...

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If so then in all likelihood you will most likely encounter what may be perceived as other beings at some stage!

That's true, of course, but am I right when I assume most of this beings can be compared with "citizens" of our towns, so they are not exactly "bound" (lack of a better term) to us?



James S:

quote:
There are many different theories about guides, but whatever theory you chose to accept, there is one important core issue to consider - they are there to direct you, to teach you, to open your mind to ways and ideas that would otherwise be closed to you. Their purpose is to help you realise the potential of your spirit, and what is achievable in this physical world through knowledge of the energies of our spirits.

But what about the ppl who don't deal with this kind (Astral projection, spiritual etc.) of stuff? What is the purpose of the guides here?
Is there some kind of society which "orders" (or nicely "asks") these guides to help, teach, whatever ... us?

quote:
The most important guide for anyone is their higher spirit self. This is the part of you that exists as part of the Divine. Your intuition, your emotions, your creativity, your imagination are all ways in which you connect to your highr spirit, and draw on its knowledge.

Personally I don't believe in somekind of higher self as a part of me.

quote:
They are not voyeurs, they will not intrude on your privacy and they definitely to not act against your free will.

As I said, it's good to hear that. So, if they respect our free will, they stay away, if I ask them? I don't want to be "bound" (lack of a better term ...) to someone who I maybe don't like.


Thanks

Stephan

[Eol007]

quote:Thank you both for your explanations.

Hi,

No problem []

quote:If so then in all likelihood you will most likely encounter what may be perceived as other beings at some stage!

quote:That's true, of course, but am I right when I assume most of this beings can be compared with "citizens" of our towns, so they are not exactly "bound" (lack of a better term) to us?

I suppose I was going along the lines of discarnate entities in the form of people who have died and left their mortal shells etc. They are no more attached to us that out own friends and relatives on Earth.

I appreciate that you have been studying negs etc. It is true that negs and some spirits can attempt to attach links to incarnate people. The classic example is say someone who died an alcoholic or drug addict who is either was unable to unwilling to move on and sometimes try to attach to similar people here as if to continue their addictions etc.

I am more used to spirit communication in the form of Mediumship – so will leave the issue of negs, alien entities, higher beings, angels/demons to someone else to provide you with feedback on etc.

Without going too wildly esoteric on you – it is worth considering that in a sense we are all attached to one another as aspects of divine creation or god. You may have heard of the concept of 'oneness' for instance! But on Earth do we not appear as individualized beings in order to perhaps enjoy self awareness, and then go through a process of relearning how to interconnect with everything else again! Anyhow I have gone way off track, sorry!    

quote:As I said, it's good to hear that. So, if they respect our free will, they stay away, if I ask them? I don't want to be "bound" (lack of a better term ...) to someone who I maybe don't like.

I don't think it is worth too much worry at this time, unless you have already felt that you have had some sort of untoward attachments before. But then this is something we tend to do in life anyway is it not - for instance in our relationships with family, friends, enemies & lovers etc?

Appreciate that your 1st language is probably German – so I hope my use of English makes sense?

Take care,


Stephen []

P.S. You did post in the Spiritual Development area after all []

[Veccolo]

quote:
Originally posted by EOL007
Appreciate that your 1st language is probably German – so I hope my use of English makes sense?

Yes, no problems there (as far as I can tell) []

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P.S. You did post in the Spiritual Development area after all []

Well, firstly I posted it in the OBE discussion area, but it was moved []

Stephan

[Eol007]

quote:
P.S. You did post in the Spiritual Development area after all []

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Well, firstly I posted it in the OBE discussion area, but it was moved []

Stephan
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Ah, one of the moderators must have moved the thread...

Cheers.

[Veccolo]

Hello, I don't know if this is the right section for such questions, so feel free to move this thread.

Let's say I have a guide. I mean a real guide, not some fool who pretends to be one. How would I "get rid of" him/her?

That's a serious question.

Thanks

Stephan