Seriously, reading kepples article on phasing and his theory makes me wonder why we were brought to be physical beings, i mean whats the point? We live, we die, we wonder, we realize, we rinse and repeat, it's so mind boggling that, it makes no sense to me. If we are beings of a higher calling, what purpose does this physical reality life serve? Idk, just got to thinking and if astral projection is a sign of what happens after you die, then why go through this process? I mean, if everything that exists in the universe is just energy at a certain frequency, what's the point of physical life if everything beyond that is so much more spectacular. Don't get me wrong this is not a suicide note or anything lol. But its just intriguing if this whole idea of astral projection is true and that's what happens when you die, then whats the point of living in the physical world? When you think about it, what does a person's physical life MEAN in the big picture?
I used to have the same sort of thoughts as you questioning why would I ever have chosen to come here.
The only answer I could come up with was that we learn from the experience, that it somehow makes us more.
I still think that, but very recently I've also had a change of opinion regarding how mundane physical existence is. I've been meditating on my true self, the entity underneath this mind and physical body; it's been making me really see the beauty in everything as I walk about.
The more time I spend in the non-physical the more I start to appreciate how precious and unique my time here in the physical is. More and more, especially when I've just come back from a projection, I'm amazed at the solidity and reallness of physical reality. The place is truly beautiful. I can now totaly understand why I, the real "I" underneath, would choose to partake in physical existence even though it means putting up with all the meaningless crap that comes with it.
I'm still trying my best to avoid all the normal materialistic aspects of life but at the same time I'm trying to remember to savour every moment and truly see what is around me. I'm just hoping that I can somehow get enough money to get away from it all and devote my life to spiritual self discovery.
I've always thought that there was no way I would choose to come back here after this life but now I'm starting to wonder. If I could choose to be born into a very specific type of life..
but then again, what is the purpose of wondering.
whatever happens happens, whatever is, is. knowing makes no difference.
To experience and learn... that's my view, at least. :)
maybe the reason youd choose to come here would be to help those that lived here before you did, even if its just insight you offer
maybe
:NoY:
To be the opposite of what we are. If we are infinite beings why not try to be the opposite with restrictions and limitations, imagine an infinite being saying what would it be like to love someone, to have pain, to be sad, happy about something, angry.
I think it's like a regular person saying what would it be like to climb mount Everest. I'm sure for some people it does not make sense since it could mean death but there are those who want to experience the feeling of tremendous cold, and fatigue to climb that mountain.
Quote from: mcdwg on October 24, 2010, 14:49:00
To be the opposite of what we are. If we are infinite beings why not try to be the opposite with restrictions and limitations, imagine an infinite being saying what would it be like to love someone, to have pain, to be sad, happy about something, angry.
I think it's like a regular person saying what would it be like to climb mount Everest. I'm sure for some people it does not make sense since it could mean death but there are those who want to experience the feeling of tremendous cold, and fatigue to climb that mountain.
I totally agree with that. Can't remember where i heard or saw the same idea of the construct, but it makes sense to me: limitations in the physical = unlimited freedom of the true "I" in the astral and other counsciousnesses. The thing is, we choose the limitations by ourselves.
I heard in some youtube video that the purpose of life is living it in the same way that the purpose of a dance is dancing it. I thought it was wise. The guy said a lot more but that's all i remember.
Quote from: WASD on October 24, 2010, 16:57:18
I heard in some youtube video that the purpose of life is living it in the same way that the purpose of a dance is dancing it. I thought it was wise. The guy said a lot more but that's all i remember.
I totally agree, purpose of life is to live, experience everyday, but I think the human race tries to overanalyze it so much and in my opinion it is so simple.
Quote from: megatarakon on October 24, 2010, 16:40:19
I totally agree with that. Can't remember where i heard or saw the same idea of the construct, but it makes sense to me: limitations in the physical = unlimited freedom of the true "I" in the astral and other counsciousnesses. The thing is, we choose the limitations by ourselves.
I bet it would sound weird to anyone. Why would anyone want to come to this hell hole, but as an infinite being that could be the ultimate experience, and at the end when we "die" we just go back to who we are with an experience. I think, I hope.
Quote from: mcdwg on October 24, 2010, 17:13:16
I bet it would sound weird to anyone. Why would anyone want to come to this hell hole, but as an infinite being that could be the ultimate experience, and at the end when we "die" we just go back to who we are with an experience. I think, I hope.
It sure would :-) but maybe that's just one of the rules for the game
I also think we will come back to where we came from when we die. "Life" in this case would be the timespan from when we are born into our body and until our body dies.
That we are in the same place before we are born and after we die seems logical to me. Even if there is no pre- or after-life that logic works.
In my opinion, the purpose of life is whatever the heck you want it to be. That's the beauty of free will. But I've heard the opinion from several different places that the purpose of this life is to learn and experience, and I have recently had an interesting thought about exactly why the Physical is a good place to learn. I've been having more lucid experiences in the Astral lately and I find the environment very unstable and subjective. It's hard to hold my focus there because things are subjective and if my mind or my awareness slips then the whole environment changes too. The physical, in contrast, is very stable and objective. It's a very good place in which to learn to control our minds and to focus our awareness because things don't change around us. I think it would be almost impossible to learn those kinds of things in the subjective chaos of the Astral. That may be why we keep reincarnating, putting ourselves in a stable objective environment, a safe harbor in which to learn how to control our minds and be aware. Looking at it like that, the purpose of life is to learn control and focus and become a master.
I think the reason why we have to incarnate on physical planets is because on the 'other side' there is no pain, no anger, no sadness, nothing like that.. just complete peace. You cannot learn about hate, greed, anger, jealousy, ego, etc. when all you feel is love. Even people who kill on this plane when they die are wrapped in love and it depends all on them how they want to move forward. I believe that when we die we judge ourselves, not some god sitting on a throne. I also believe that we relive every emotion, not just full on emotion from ourselves but how we made others feel. I know how it feels in the physical to judge yourself, and I can just imagine what a learning tool for your soul it would be to feel the true emotion of the others you've pained. After so many lives, I imagine you stop hurting others because that self judgment is a kick in the arse.
And this brings me to the judgment thing called the Karma system on here. I'm sick of being judged by people that really have no idea who I am and what I'm about except what they see on a message board on the internet. I hate this system and wish Adrian would take it off the boards. My damned karma keeps going up and down because of a some on here that seem to think they have the key to the world's rule book. I hate feeling judged like that and I can't imagine why Adrian continues to allow it. I've seen ppl be complete asswipes on here and their karma is thru the roof... why is that? I know why it is...
Ok, rant off.
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
lol class 8-)
The purpose of life is to find the purpose of life :-)
Quote from: Danevang on October 29, 2010, 07:33:13
The purpose of life is to find the purpose of life :-)
Found it!
Ok... so I guess I'm done then... >_> :)
The purpose of life is to live a life of purpose. :-)
QuoteI think the reason why we have to incarnate on physical planets is because on the 'other side' there is no pain, no anger, no sadness, nothing like that.. just complete peace. You cannot learn about hate, greed, anger, jealousy, ego, etc. when all you feel is love. Even people who kill on this plane when they die are wrapped in love and it depends all on them how they want to move forward. I believe that when we die we judge ourselves, not some god sitting on a throne. I also believe that we relive every emotion, not just full on emotion from ourselves but how we made others feel. I know how it feels in the physical to judge yourself, and I can just imagine what a learning tool for your soul it would be to feel the true emotion of the others you've pained. After so many lives, I imagine you stop hurting others because that self judgment is a kick in the arse.
I like what you have said, Naykid. I notice a little contradiction. If on the other side everyone is 'wrapped in love' and then there is self judgement, so is the other side nothing but peace and love? At what level is everything peace and love? Is that peace and love 'out there' or is it here with you? If we grow to the point where it is here with us all the time then, IMHO, we have achieved our purpose. At that point it's not that we like or condone some of the things that go on in the physical world, it's more like we have compassionate understanding of it all. The love and peace we live in rolls off to others and helps them along the path.
QuoteAnd this brings me to the judgment thing called the Karma system on here. I'm sick of being judged by people that really have no idea who I am and what I'm about except what they see on a message board on the internet. I hate this system and wish Adrian would take it off the boards. My damned karma keeps going up and down because of a some on here that seem to think they have the key to the world's rule book. I hate feeling judged like that and I can't imagine why Adrian continues to allow it. I've seen ppl be complete asswipes on here and their karma is thru the roof... why is that? I know why it is...
Well, right here is a lesson in karma for you. The more you attach and react to what others are doing, the more your karma will go up and down. Karma isn't judgement and if I could somehow get rid of that stupid saying, "What goes around, comes around" I would!
Quote from: grzazek on October 25, 2010, 20:39:11
"Today, a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration – that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather."
that's bill hicks
Quote from: E on October 30, 2010, 11:33:16
I like what you have said, Naykid. I notice a little contradiction. If on the other side everyone is 'wrapped in love' and then there is self judgement, so is the other side nothing but peace and love? At what level is everything peace and love? Is that peace and love 'out there' or is it here with you? If we grow to the point where it is here with us all the time then, IMHO, we have achieved our purpose. At that point it's not that we like or condone some of the things that go on in the physical world, it's more like we have compassionate understanding of it all. The love and peace we live in rolls off to others and helps them along the path.Well, right here is a lesson in karma for you. The more you attach and react to what others are doing, the more your karma will go up and down. Karma isn't judgement and if I could somehow get rid of that stupid saying, "What goes around, comes around" I would!
What part is a contradiction? I'm sorry, I'm not grasping that point. :?
I think the 'other side' is full of love on all levels, it's a matter of the person being open to that love and how they incorporate that into their lives on this physical plane. I'm trying to think of an example..... Some people on this board view me as not worthy of being here. Is that because they think I'm evil and not loving? Or is it because I AM evil and not loving? Who's perception is correct? On the other side, I believe the 'perception' part is without ego because of it coming from a place of only love. If I really am evil I will realize that on the other side because I didn't have my ego to step in the way.... (shielding that shame and hurt when one looks at themselves in a objective way) But what if I'm not evil..? I suppose I go on my merry way and wait for them to die and learn that I wasn't. :-P
I certainly do not claim to know what really is, but this time.. in this reality, I am pretty comfortable in how I feel about it. And what goes around comes around... LOL what's wrong with that? I think my ex and his wife are a great example of something I did in a past life to deserve their constant irritation in my life. :lol: Such a Hindu way of looking at things. :-)
QuoteWhat part is a contradiction? I'm sorry, I'm not grasping that point
Ya, I wasn't very clear, was I.
Quoteon the 'other side' there is no pain, no anger, no sadness, nothing like that.. just complete peace. You cannot learn about hate, greed, anger, jealousy, ego, etc. when all you feel is love.
There is anger, sadness, jealousy and ego on the other side unless you have eradicated those hindrances on this side. On the other side you don't automatically feel nothing but love. It is not a 'there' as compared to 'here'. As you said, total love is there but it is also here. The physical world is also a 'plane' of existence. It is linked with every other plane of existence, not separate. The main difference is that on the low vibratory physical level we get smacked in the face with it all. "Here" you simply can't stick your hand in fire and not learn that it is a mistake. Humans continue to learn and grow on the higher vibrational levels but at a slower, gentler pace. You have to be brave to take on lessons on Earth. Humans who evolve to a place where there is ONLY peace and love can waste a bunch of time there, not learning anything. When they are ready to get back to business, it can be quite a shock.
"Perceptions" or view points are neither correct nor incorrect. Except to those stating them. They are a dime a dozen. Mine, yours, everyone's. Any view point can be looked at as whether it rings with your own truth . Or it can be, if it bothers you, as how to figure out why it bothers you. You use it to learn about yourself. Otherwise other people's perceptions can just be left alone unless you like being unhappy.
Ya, I've got plenty of shame and hurt too. You look at it and it hurts and you work like hell to figure out how to be better next time and let go of the past.
QuoteAnd what goes around comes around... LOL what's wrong with that?
Not a thing if that's your perception. To me it is a simplified twist of truth. People seem to use this statement in two ways. One, someone upsets them and they say or think, "Well, what goes around, comes around (you sob) or two they see you are upset and they try to make you feel better by saying it. As in, don't worry, they will get theirs. So, in essence, they are creating a circle of revenge. Around and around it goes... and in this way we stay on the wheel of karma. This statement is usually made toward someone else, that person not realizing that their anger, hurt and judgement will also come around to themselves. That's why I wish people would think about it more deeply, but that's just me, LOL Karma isn't punishment.
QuoteThere is anger, sadness, jealousy and ego on the other side unless you have eradicated those hindrances on this side.
That is what I am saying. Those things do not exist. Thus why we have to incarnate into these bodies, on planets. To be able to feel these feelings. To learn lessons that can only be learned in the physical.
QuoteOn the other side you don't automatically feel nothing but love.
In my belief system, yeah, that is exactly what happens. Perhaps you are thinking about ghost and poltergiest ?
QuoteIt is not a 'there' as compared to 'here'. As you said, total love is there but it is also here. The physical world is also a 'plane' of existence. It is linked with every other plane of existence, not separate. The main difference is that on the low vibratory physical level we get smacked in the face with it all.
I think that we get "smacked" at ALL levels. Maybe the difference is in the way that you punish a two year old different than that of a six year old.
Quote"Here" you simply can't stick your hand in fire and not learn that it is a mistake.
Exactly.
QuoteHumans continue to learn and grow on the higher vibrational levels but at a slower, gentler pace. You have to be brave to take on lessons on Earth. Humans who evolve to a place where there is ONLY peace and love can waste a bunch of time there, not learning anything.
I agree that you have to be brave to incarnate onto earth. And I agree that you can't learn anything in a place that only has peace and love. I don't know what to term it, but the place that is commonly known as Heaven, is the place that isn't like any other planet, or reality. It is the center of light,... where you cannot hide from anything. You can't really learn anything from there.. lol you feel total bliss, love, contentment... if you deemed yourself worthy of it. (the whole self judgement thing) I believe that you can help your loved ones from there and I suppose in the process you're learning, "something". But I don't think you incarnate there..because that is where you started from.
Quote"Perceptions" or view points are neither correct nor incorrect. Except to those stating them. They are a dime a dozen. Mine, yours, everyone's. Any view point can be looked at as whether it rings with your own truth
YES. :-D I couldn't agree more.
QuoteOr it can be, if it bothers you, as how to figure out why it bothers you. You use it to learn about yourself. Otherwise other people's perceptions can just be left alone unless you like being unhappy.
Not quite sure what you mean here.
QuoteYa, I've got plenty of shame and hurt too. You look at it and it hurts and you work like hell to figure out how to be better next time and let go of the past.
Not all shame makes sense or is founded. You might not have as much shame as you think you should have or you should have a lot more. :lol:
QuoteNot a thing if that's your perception. To me it is a simplified twist of truth. People seem to use this statement in two ways. One, someone upsets them and they say or think, "Well, what goes around, comes around (you sob) or two they see you are upset and they try to make you feel better by saying it.
Haha, OR..instead of sobbing they look, aka., reflect and see why they are feeling the way they are feeling. Stop taking people's free will away. You are feeling and seeing this from a......pardon me..... dominant role.
QuoteAs in, don't worry, they will get theirs. So, in essence, they are creating a circle of revenge. Around and around it goes... and in this way we stay on the wheel of karma.
Why would it continue on if you knew it was wrong to hurt people? I guess it could continue on and on for a soul who is ignorant or unwilling to see themselves for what they truly represent.
QuoteThis statement is usually made toward someone else, that person not realizing that their anger, hurt and judgement will also come around to themselves.
Are you saying that someone that does harm to someone, but doesn't realize it, gets a pass to go card? I think there are times when people's situations are complicated by mental illness. And we need to be compassionate to this, but they should not be able to run free.
QuoteThat's why I wish people would think about it more deeply, but that's just me, LOL Karma isn't punishment.
It is if YOU'VE done wrong to someone else. IMO.
Quote # 2: Ghosts and poltergeists: lol. No
Quote # 7: If it bothers you: All I meant is that what bothers me about others is often just the same thing that bothers me about myself. It is just being pointed out to me in someone else. I can get upset and stay that way or I can learn from it.
I have learned that the less I get emotionally attached to all the myriad view points the happier I am. I can take a look at what uplifts me and also what bothers me the most. The rest are significant for others but not for me. Unless you just enjoy them without attachment.
Quote # 8: Shame: Cute. Actually I used to feel shame. Now I feel understanding.
Quote # 9: (I think) Stop taking people's free will away: Okey Dokey. Thanks.
Quote # 11: Pass to Go card: Absolutely not. But Old Man Karma doesn't zoom out of the sky and whack us on the head either.
I didn't have time to read all the posts yet but I'm just itching to add my 2-cents. I think that we are here to learn from our suffering and also from our happiness. Someone said that we can't learn and experience certain things from the astral etc. so we must experience all that here. There is so much to learn and I think it takes many life times to do so.
We all can tell you what we think our purpose for existing is but in the end it is you who must find out for yourself. Cheers! 8-)
it makes us all feel a lot more significant when we have a purpose, even if we're just deluding ourselves.
i've said this before and i'll say it again
LIFE is EFIL spelled backwards.
I had a thought tonight...
What if, beyond experiencing, what we do here is meaningless?
I had a thought too.....
Why don't people stop being Debbie downers and try and look on the bright side instead of wallowing in self pity. There's a thought.
Actually I think the fact there is no "purpose of life" is a wonderful thing. An inherent purpose would contradict free will. The ability to choose is what makes us living beings as apposed to just a bunch of biological machines trying to find our lost directive.
It's not that it's meaningless, but the meanings we give it tend to be completely and utterly wrong. It's easier to understand after gaining a perspective from the "wider reality" of things. (I don't know how else to word that).
People tend to look at "reality" as the outside world around us, but it's really all in our thinking, willing, and feeling. Those are what dictate our reality around us and how we choose to interact.
one of the most profound and persistent visions i've ever had is one where i see myself and then the picture zooms out really fast to encompass the whole universe and then i see me again. i understand it and i understand that it is a representation of the purpose of my life, but i could never explain it, no matter how hard i tried. but it's not at all what it seems. not even remotely that simple. i had to see it many times before i got it.
We ARE the Universe. :)
yea, that was the simple answer, but the experience is infinitely complex compared to that.
I bet it was. What with quarks and Chi and black holes and salamanders and cherry cake...
eww, cherry cake. lol.
To awaken...to our true nature
Quote from: majour ka on November 24, 2010, 22:57:41
To awaken...to our true nature
In the scope of my own beliefs of why we're here... that makes no sense.
Could you further elaborate your opinion?
What do you feel our "true nature" is... and why is this something that requires "awakening"? :)
There is no purpose.. The spirit world deliberately hides it from us, confuses us, and enjoys seeing fight each other over pointless beliefs behind our backs... O.o
At least try to get the story straight, not give different people different versions of this "truth"
I'm really starting to think that. We have to do all the work to find out purpose and they barely meet us halfway. >=[
Quote from: iamkuljuarenot on October 24, 2010, 04:13:17
Seriously, reading kepples article on phasing and his theory makes me wonder why we were brought to be physical beings, i mean whats the point? We live, we die, we wonder, we realize, we rinse and repeat, it's so mind boggling that, it makes no sense to me. If we are beings of a higher calling, what purpose does this physical reality life serve? Idk, just got to thinking and if astral projection is a sign of what happens after you die, then why go through this process? I mean, if everything that exists in the universe is just energy at a certain frequency, what's the point of physical life if everything beyond that is so much more spectacular. Don't get me wrong this is not a suicide note or anything lol. But its just intriguing if this whole idea of astral projection is true and that's what happens when you die, then whats the point of living in the physical world? When you think about it, what does a person's physical life MEAN in the big picture?
The way I see it, perhaps "soul evolution" helps explain why we're here. We might be souls visiting earth in an attempt to grow a certain way. Perhaps we are merely curious enough to experience what "another dimension" is like. :-)
Paul