How does a spirit work?

[The AlphaOmega]

Why use logic about the physical world and physical body when analizing something not of this world or body?  Why do you assume that because human behavior can be SLIGHTLY predicted SOMETIMES that the same applies for the spirit?  Body and spirit only co-exist for a certain amount of time, but the spirit lives on without the body.  That being the case, could it perhaps be said that the spirit is more evolved then the body and it's behavior.  The spirit exists without the body, but the body is a meaningless shell without the spirit.  Doesn't that suggest that the spirit is in control?

[beavis]

For many things that were not thought to be understandable, logic has made equations to predict their behavior. I will not fall into the same trap the ancient people did when they said that planetary motion is "gods will" and cant be predicted.

I am not proposing we use only "logic about the physical world and physical body". We can use any logic we know.

Why do you assume that because human behavior can be SLIGHTLY predicted SOMETIMES that the same applies for the spirit?

I assume it in this thread to test a theory. If spirit behavior cant be predicted, we wont find formulas for them, but if it can, then this assumption will lead us to those formulas.

Human behavior is more than slightly predictable. For a stupid human, smarter humans can predict behavior much better, which implies if we were smarter we could predict more than we do now.

Body and spirit only co-exist for a certain amount of time, but the spirit lives on without the body. That being the case, could it perhaps be said that the spirit is more evolved then the body and it's behavior.

I agree, but being more evolved doesnt prevent formulas from describing their behavior.

The spirit exists without the body, but the body is a meaningless shell without the spirit. Doesn't that suggest that the spirit is in control?

Just because a spirit uses a body doesnt mean the body has no intelligence or is meaningless. We dont know how much control a spirit has over a body. If you bump your knee in the right place, can your spirit stop your leg from kicking? Control over brain functions is similar but more complex.

Humans can understand things smarter than themselves. Humans designed the computer that beat the best Human chessplayer. They also designed neural network programs that predict stock behavior better than Humans can, given the same input.

[jilola]

Gven the definition for human as a system as the physical body carrying the spirit.Given further that the physical body is responsible for any physical input I'd suspect that brownian motion alone will kill any deterministic behaviour of the system.

But then again pysical reality is but an illusion therefore rendering any such input as noise in the context of the spiritual realm.

In order to answer the question in any meaningfull way we need to be able to come to an agreement as to what a spirit is without any reference to physical at all.

2cents & l&l
Jouni

[beavis]

jilola I'd suspect that brownian motion alone will kill any deterministic behaviour of the system.

Brownian motion is what scientists call motion that they dont understand. It is either random or more complex than they understand. Until we have more information, neither is known to be correct.

But then again pysical reality is but an illusion therefore rendering any such input as noise in the context of the spiritual realm.

Everything is an illusion in some context. Why should one thing be more real than an other?

[clandestino]

quote:In order to answer the question in any meaningfull way we need to be able to come to an agreement as to what a spirit is without any reference to physical at all.

I'd agree in theory...but in practice this isn't possible, as our experiences are not limited to non-physical reality.

So we have to approximate as best we can; "conjecture" would be a fairer term than "approximate".

I'd say that it is logical to assume that if a "spirit world" is related to our existence in any way, shape or form, then there must be some kind of similarity to the physical world in the way it behaves, however small this similarity may be.

It follows that predictions can be made about behaviour in the spirit world, but we can't determine how accurate these observations would be.

quote:Given the same situation in a dream and on earth, a spirit will try to act the same way (but on earth the body will prevent that).

interesting ! that's something to bear in mind when you consider your gut reactions to events during waking life, and how your concious mind makes a decision/forms an opinion after the initial reaction...But within the context of a dream, it is further complicated by the immediate interaction between the mind and the environment. This isn't so apparent in the physical world.

[beavis]

Human brains are mostly deterministic. If there were 2 Humans that were copied exactly (except for their spirits), and the same spirit gave each body the same input, and the environment ane everything else was the same for both, I think the bodies would do the same thing. Bodies are complex machines. There is nothing special about being alive.

Think of spirits in a similar way. They are more complex, but there should be some rules that predict their behavior. If you dont think those rules exist, why? It must be rules or randomness. There are no other choices. If it is randomness, there will be rules for probability.

Lets start with some observations about spirit behavior:

Some of them are attracted to Human bodies (to incarnate in).

They have very limited communication ability with their bodies.

They try to increase their energy.

They are usually distracted by anything physical they see so much that they cant leave.

If they dont like something, they are much more likely to leave than try to change it.

Given the same situation in a dream and on earth, a spirit will try to act the same way (but on earth the body will prevent that).

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