How much of your mind do you take with you after death of the Human body?

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beavis

Its hard to separate the experience of astral from the Human ways of thinking.

Every experience in astral that we can write about has been translated to the Human way of thinking because its stored in your brain. How did it get into the brain? Through some kind of connection between spirit and the Human body.

It would be easy to, viewing through this filter/translation, think we have parts of our mind in the astral that were only added during translation because we have those parts of our minds here on Earth, but how can your brain know what its really like to be in astral when all it gets are translated memories?

Can a spirit read, do math, figure out the shortest way to walk through a crowded parking lot to your car, or many other generally useful ways of thinking we've learned here on Earth? How much of your mind do you take with you after death of the Human body?

Stillwater

I have asked this question a lot too, and I think it is one of your better questions.

Somehow... I feel like not much.

I say this because I am of the persuasion that every time we project we are probably not leaving our bodies, but rather transducing non-physical reality through the aparatus of our brains. If this is true, as I believe it is, no projector has had a body-less experience. I think many of us reason that because we retain a very human perspective while projecting, that we will do so when we die. I think almost all of our human identity is tied to our body and our life here though, and I think once we are dead, we will very quickly change our perspective and way of thinking. We will likely retain our memories, but we will not feel the same way about them. Many people have been reported to behave as though they were still a human living on earth afterward, but this usually seems to be pretty pathological.

I think we would still be able to do math- I think math is probably one of the most universal of all skills in existence, and probably used heavily in constructing realities like this one. Maybe we would even be significantly better at it.
"The Gardener is but a dream of the Garden."

-Unattributed Zen monastic

AAAAAAAA

I personally think that what we take of our mind after death is all of our knowledge and gained experiences. We also take our spirits. Like we are all programs (but programs that are free and have no specific operations to follow). We are just programs that do whatever. Sure we have our goals in life, too. But I personally think that when we (our physical bodies) die, we will look back at this lifetime, and just think of it as another experience. So I guess what I'm saying is... we take this experience with us when we die. And sure a spirit can do all of those things. Your guide isn't stupid. Although they can interact with the physical world just as much as you can, they can also travel as a spirit. And if you write a note for them, or a math problem, they would be able to read it. Even if they aren't physically with you. At least that's what my experience is. I've written notes to my guide before :3

Xanth

What you are right now, is what you will be after you leave here.

If you were an butt now, you will be an butt there.
If you were a nice, kind person here, you will be a nice, kind person there.

What you are at the "being" level is YOU and will always be YOU.

What you are at the "intellectual" level is the act, the persona you put out to the world... and is not you.  That dies.

beavis

I used to be very good at telekinesis, some at telepathy, and would often be many places at once only 1 of which was my body. Sometimes I would forget about the body completely, but mostly its just a distraction if you're trying to notice the parts of yourself outside the body. But since then I've forgotten most of it. Maybe it didnt fit into the Human way of thinking.

A few strong memories have stayed with me, including when I first connected the inside of the pyramid at Astral Pulse Island to the outside, with the gold colored elephant statue that I took apart and put back together then found it was a "light switch" that raised the top of the pyramid up and connected those 2 areas of astral. I think I'll be connected to those parts of astral for a very long time.

The only way we can really know how much is in the brain is by testing metaphysical connections with the outside world, reading cards which we havent looked at while OBE, telekinesis, things like that. I'm satisfied there is a definite connection outside the body to the real world.

But thats not enough to say any specific part of our minds exists independently of our brains.

It is enough to know we can exist in the field generated by many people still alive, which imprints on our brains and ours imprints on theirs, what I call the "global telepathy network", an of course it extends past this planet and dimensions, but how and in which ways we know little about.

I'm not concerned with keeping the details of my life as a Human. The main thing I want is to continue trying to build new forms of mind and life, which here on Earth I do in computers, and as we're learning in quantum math of the unified field can be done in other ways than hard logic circuits. Astral can be shaped into any arbitrary patterns, at least it appears very flexible like that. Anything capable of storing patterns will work. But I would not want to be stuck in a place where no progress could be made. I dont just want to feel good, as I'm sure it does. I want to build things continuing from the basics of how minds and life forms can work which I"ve learned some of here on Earth and, as I have a rare intuition for it, probably came in knowing some of it.

I have some vague memories, or maybe my mind just made it up, of things that appear to have happened just before I came to Earth and started using this Human body.

One memory, I was very cold out in what looked like space, and I couldnt stand it. I knew going into another Human body would satisfy this instinct I couldnt resist, so I did. I did not like this dependence.

Another memory, I was maybe 1000 miles above Earth but also kind of in another dimension. I was talking to my friend who said I keep going down here and saying I'm going to get a certain thing done but I never do, and I should wait for some specific others to do it who may be here much later (days? millenia? not sure the time range they meant). I went down and became Human again, despite my friends warning, who I met again in an OBE in my college years and I think will be there at a much faster rate of time from their perspective so they will experience maybe a few minutes hours or days while my life goes by. That thing I keep coming here trying to do, I really want to know what it is. From the perspective of that memory, it would be to make the big colored ball of lights that I saw Earth as expand to many times bigger and become more connected to the metaphysical world around it. In terms of what I can do from a Human body, getting the metaphysical parts of a few billion people and maybe some of the more advanced tech connected to eachother is no easy task, but I've got some theories on how to sync thoughts with precise timing using statistical artificial intelligence in a strange kind of game, but this is not proceeding easily. On the more metaphysical side of such efforts, there are many spirits who help shape the high dimensional gravity field around the planet, but it all looks like a big mess not well coordinated. Sometimes I think it was a mistake coming here. Other times I think maybe we'll figure out how to get the world resonating like that.

Jessica_Lynn

I don't think that sort of stuff is relevant when you're a spirit? I also think that if you take too much of your mind/haven't learned any lessons/are stuck in a state of unforgiveness then you stay here until It's resolved and then you go home. Why would anyone want to stay here as a spirit with all there is to offer on the other side? Pure bliss and peace, I assume. It makes no sense. And that's the fault of the human mind when taken over by human emotion (i.e possiveness, not forgiving and letting go, guilt etc)
Woohoo!

Stillwater

Quote from: jessicalynncp on June 24, 2014, 01:24:47
Why would anyone want to stay here as a spirit with all there is to offer on the other side? Pure bliss and peace, I assume. It makes no sense. And that's the fault of the human mind when taken over by human emotion (i.e possiveness, not forgiving and letting go, guilt etc)

And yet... here we are. We are here, and not there, at least for the moment. There must be a good reason for that. For whatever reason, we chose to go without all of that stuff for a little while. Non-attachment to this world is healthy on some level, but maybe while we are here, it may be good to discover the great meaningfulness in this world too.

"The Gardener is but a dream of the Garden."

-Unattributed Zen monastic

Szaxx

Perhaps there's more to the saying ' the game of life'.
Does 'life' simply mean physical existance or is it referring to the individualised self?
There's far more where the eye can't see.
Close your eyes and open your mind.

Rakkso

Quote from: jessicalynncp on June 24, 2014, 01:24:47
Why would anyone want to stay here as a spirit with all there is to offer on the other side? Pure bliss and peace, I assume. It makes no sense. And that's the fault of the human mind when taken over by human emotion (i.e possiveness, not forgiving and letting go, guilt etc)

Perhaps an Eternity of Pure Bliss and Peace is boring after half eternity into it. A little sadness could be a good thing if you are sitting There.
Its after the bad experiences, that we begin to really understand and appreciate the little things on  life.

Besides, chaos is fun  :-P

Xanth

Quote from: jessicalynncp on June 24, 2014, 01:24:47
I don't think that sort of stuff is relevant when you're a spirit? I also think that if you take too much of your mind/haven't learned any lessons/are stuck in a state of unforgiveness then you stay here until It's resolved and then you go home. Why would anyone want to stay here as a spirit with all there is to offer on the other side? Pure bliss and peace, I assume. It makes no sense. And that's the fault of the human mind when taken over by human emotion (i.e possiveness, not forgiving and letting go, guilt etc)
It's very hard to learn anything when there is absolutely no risk of you losing something.