sexual retention

[i smoke and drink coffee]

Hello.
Well, people make talk about 'sexual energy'.  Seems like a cover for lustful acts to me.  People can talk all they want, when you love someone intimately, it is different than 'just wanting sex'.  The energy also is strange.  There is a need for touch, to be touched and to touch someone, to share and experience softness and kind whispers, sighs, moaning, and such noises as that.  Sexual energy is a feeling of pleasure, some become addicted and find meager release from their daily stress.  Sex is an important part of the psyche, without it, we become numb and can not express intimacy or affection. 

Sexual retention, as far as I understand it, is the build up of energy for sexual acts or feelings.  A state of constantly being aroused can be developed when sexual force is retained for over certain periods of time.  When this energy has been stored up, and we are not just talking fluids, then when orgasm occurs it is much longer and more satisfying.  This goes for men and women??  Is that true?

Sexual energy seems to have a magnetic basis, in that it is an attraction and a satisfaction of being engaged in intimacy or sex with another person.  hen sexual energy is wasted as in pointless masturbation or other useless sexual acts, sex can actually add to daily stress and limits how well a person can function.  In many cases, a person will feel emotionally drained and will become lethargic, living day by day in a state where they are actually incapable of being aroused.  "Impotence".

So when you are retaining your sexual energy, and are not engaged in useless or worthless masturbation, you can have a reservoir of interpersonal energy flowing within your chakra system.  Some believe that sexual energy is the fusion of space and time to form emotions and other aspects of mental energy.  Others, in their ignorance, proclaim that love is sexual in nature and must be completed in physical activity for the love to blossom into a new state of experience.  Perversion is not pure sexual energy, as, in my view, sexual energy is only between a rare few people in their own unique sex partner groups.  It is not a universal love connection or some such garbage as that.

Sexual energy is like a continuous awareness of the appreciation and need to fuse symbiotically with another being.  Some people, having great sexual capacity, will have more than one or two partners.  Sexual energy is not entirely located in the reproductive organs, as our hands, eyes, and tender areas are also enlivened by the sense of touch or use of touch to arouse or stimulate a partner.  If we retain our sexual energy, it can become a powerful attractive force, and we activate the grid to achieve prescence with partners who are sexually or socially compatible.  In many cases, we open ourselves to another world of social engagement when we are either 1. engrossed in sexual perversion, or, 2. mating and learning and growing with a stable sexual partner.

Psychological health and in fact, physical health, depends greatly on sexual health as a function of the self to 'reproduce' in the psyche of other people.  People who are famous must, surely no offense, have great sexual capacity.  It is something about attention and fixatation of the mind that enables someone to engage themselves in heavy and long periods of sexual activity.  If there is no personal interest in the sexual activity, it is not satisfying and will not produce the orgasm which one is looking to have, if they are.  If someone is a icon of sexuality, they will likely have erotic behaviors and pursue sensual forms of pleasure.

When you are magnetically charged, you are 'attractive'.  Given that existence itself is spiritual, and there is no difference between physical, mental, or spiritual types of energy (it is all a value of one energy, which is the manifestation of absolute potential), when you are attracting something, your aura has a charge.  If that charge has a high potency of sexual energy, it is more likely that you will be engaged in sexual activity.  Some one like myself, who wastes his orgasm, does not have sufficient sexually attractive force to manipulate social conditions to acquire a mating partner.  Retaining sexual energy through normal discipline can be a benefit to those who are currently alone and are confused about their sexual state.

Sexual confusion, however, is a more complicated issue and involves things like rape, harassment (in social settings or by family), and common mishaps of the adherence to one's own personal word compared directly with definitions used by other people to label sexual phenomena or cultures of types of people.

[predatoo]

When this energy has been stored up, and we are not just talking fluids, then when orgasm occurs it is much longer and more satisfying.  This goes for men and women??  Is that true?

  i'm not going to define any sort of 'truth', just relate my personal experiences.
THE best orgasm i've ever had, i hadn't seen my girlfriend of the time for over a week. you say "There is a need for touch, to be touched and to touch someone, to share and experience softness and kind whispers, sighs, moaning, and such noises as that", and i certainly agree. there was a lot of sexual excitement for both of us, the desire to share the experience with someone we love.
  secondly, i was with a girl one night sometime later, but were weren't in a relationship. we were hooking up all night, but she knew from the start i didn't want to have sex with her. that said we were both very.. for lack of a better word, horny, for a number of hours. when she left, i watched some 'adult material', and had one of the strongest/longest orgasms i've ever had.

  in both cases i feel there was a significant amount 'stored' sexual energy, (perhaps more-so at the end of the one night stand) time though, was relative to the context of each situation.

Φ predatoo

[i smoke and drink coffee]

Back when I was young, and in school, everyday was a thrill to see this one girl.  It was a reason to be alive and go to school.  I was kind of obsessed with her.  Never talked to her.  That excitement and energy of being near to her, I remember it well.  It was a very pleasant sexual energy, and by night hours, for many days it was a continous fantasy about her.  There was no physical contact between us at any time, it was thrilling to be in love with her.  I do believe that if I had ever spent time with her, and if it ever had come to affection, intimacy, or sex, I would have outright lost my mind it would have been so good.

It's not like you have to store sexual energy for fifty years.  I do feel, however, that over using or abusing your sexual system or emotions will result in more negativity than pleasure.  As they say, balance and proportion.

[predatoo]

i understand, but over using and abusing would still be relative to the individual, which could have a fantastic or negative response on a relationship

[Selea]

When you are magnetically charged, you are 'attractive'.  Given that existence itself is spiritual, and there is no difference between physical, mental, or spiritual types of energy (it is all a value of one energy, which is the manifestation of absolute potential), when you are attracting something, your aura has a charge.  If that charge has a high potency of sexual energy, it is more likely that you will be engaged in sexual activity.  Some one like myself, who wastes his orgasm, does not have sufficient sexually attractive force to manipulate social conditions to acquire a mating partner.  Retaining sexual energy through normal discipline can be a benefit to those who are currently alone and are confused about their sexual state.

IMO you are exchanging orgasm with "losing sexual energy", when it's not so, at all. This view is usually the one taken by Buddhistic Tantra (and some very late branches on Hindu Tantra), where loss of semen is equiparated with loss of "energy".

However in the more ancient Tantras, the most important ones, all the contrary it is true. In these Tantras retention of semen is seen as equivalent to egoism and not a real "sacrifice", and it is also seen as a "not perfect" way to operate.

The view of Buddhistic Tantra comes primarily from the way they approach everything, not just sex. They try to retain breath, try to close the senses, etc. etc. So it is obvious that in their view retention of semen is the way to go.

However "sexual energy" has nothing to do with releasing semen or not. What makes the difference is not orgams/not orgasm, but the way the "practice" is approached. In fact you can be sure that if orgasm produces a loss of energy then you are making a mistake somewhere. In fact all the contrary should happen and it happens.

The problem is not orgasm/not orgasm. The problem is the approach to sex and how it is used. You can also retain semen but if the approach is incorrect you will lose "energy" the same (the difference in this case will be that the "energy" loss will be perceived in a different manner).

Morover exchanging orgams for ejaculation is still another mistake. The two are not the same thing at all. In this case I equiparated them to make you understand what I was saying in your terms, but it's not an exact use of the terms.

[Rudolph]

It's not like you have to store sexual energy for fifty years.  I do feel, however, that over using or abusing your sexual system or emotions will result in more negativity than pleasure.  As they say, balance and proportion.

i smoke, maybe it would help a little if you could give a reference to the books or websites you have been reading on this.

I do not think it is simple 'retention' that is being spoken of in this respect. It is a transmutation of the sexual energy. Most people have very little understanding of what it is about. Even those who write books about it and even pretend to 'teach' it, imho.

[i smoke and drink coffee]

I'm pretty sure I wasn't talking about semen.

I mean that if you don't go having sex, when you do, it will be better.  The anticipation, the romance, the affections.  It's not about porn style sex.  Kissing, touching, wow, yeah, not that I know.

All I did was dig that post out of my own friggen head, I don't read any books anymore.  Apparently I did read it somewhere, maybe well I can't say.  All I was trying to say is that if you don't make a pig of yourself, and go about having sex with all kinds of people and polluting yourself ??  then you can enjoy a stronger bond with your sexual partner.  Companion, mating, not wild orgy sex.

To each their own, I guess.  I can't speak for the whole universe of sexual entities.  I do feel that we should have at least one very strong partner, and have faith in that person, honor their prescence and their statements.  If you feel an attraction to someone, look for how and why that attraction is happening.  Ask people questions, and be intuitive about it.  Some women might be very large, but in fact, would be the better choice between some seventeen year old slut and the older, bigger woman.  Even dancing can be sexual, of course you all know that.  It's almost like in orgasm we find rest from the entire physical process of sex, dreams, astral, and the entire thing.  We are free for a few minutes or however it works, I don't know, I only had an orgasm once and my whole body shook and then I had nightmares about the Devil.  So I don't really know anything about it, sorry.

Just trying to sound smart about sex cuz I ain't gettin it.  As if I magickally and innately know everything about sex so I don't feel inadequate.

[dotster]

In Egyptian culture their tantric sex practices were integrated within their religion and ultimately was one of their main tools in achieving enlightenment. Sexual energy, as with most things in life, can be used a number of ways. Egyptians believed that sexual energy could be used to revitalize and restore the human body via a process wherein the energy that shoots up your spine during orgasm is directed up the spine, out the back and then enters back into the body through the chest forming an ankh (a process shockingly named ankhing). This allows the energy (sensation) of the orgasm to be circulated through the body a few times so that it sticks around a while longer than it normally does. This elated and lengthened state of orgasm also leads to increased stimulation of certain glands that then further release more and additional hormones and chemicals into the body leaving one in a feeling of bliss afterwards instead of emptiness.

In Buddhic tantra, like mentioned below, celibacy and retention are just a means to the same end. In certain Buddhist traditions sexual activity is viewed as a distraction from achieving enlightenment. Lust is considered an addiction of physicality and to untether yourself from physical reality you must relinquish all physical addictions because they are like roots anchoring you in here.

Celibacy is sometimes taught in some Eastern Philosophies as the way to enlightenment due to a belief that retention of sperm leads to the production of a substance called amrit(a) in the brain which is thought to be produced by the secretion of certain opiate like chemicals from the different glands (pineal, pituitary etc). This substance, after produced, drips down the back of your throat and has a very pleasant sweet taste to it. Retention of sperm secretion is not the only way that this substance is produced however; sometimes it occurs randomly during deep meditation and periods extended mental rest.

Another reason for celibacy is the simple lack of desire for sex. This is a lot easier to achieve than most people imagine. There is a technique in which your tongue is inserted into the nasal pharynx and rests on the back of the septum and there is a tiny spot there on the septum that is sensitive in very much the same way that the bottom tip of a man's phallus is sensitive. I happened upon this spot by sheer accident only 2 or 3 months ago after a bizarre sneeze/hiccup/cough (weird I'm aware  ) during my meditation before bed. I felt the tendon under my tongue stretch and my tongue shot way into the back of my throat to a place I didn't even knew existed. I looked this up on google to no avail so finally I went to my doctor to make sure I wasn't going to choke on my tongue during my sleep. To keep a long story short I went and saw a few doctors mostly ENT (Ear/Nose/Throat) specialists and none of them had seen anything like my case before. I did some more in depth googling and found out that I was not alone after all. Here I was thinking that I was special (  ) yet what I had happened upon by mere chance actually happens to be a very old form of yoga that IS still existent however is very rare and therefore not a very common practice much more these days. I have been meaning to start a post about this actually, so excuse me for rambling. Anyways, old yogi's used to walk around constantly with their tongues resting on this spot when not engaged in conversation, in a state of constant bliss, so sex is for all intents and purposes excluding procreation rendered useless. I guess it would be better to say that the thirst known as lust is very easily quenched. I will vouch for the benefits of the technique because it has been the most rewarding thing that has ever happened to me. Meditation in this manner is unlike any form of meditation or experience that I have ever had. Not only is it a state of amazing bliss, but also something about resting my tongue on this spot renders my mind completely still. Distraction from abstract thought becomes a thing of fantasy. It truly is a remarkable experience however if anyone is interested I will start a new topic so as not to dilute this one with irrelevant conversation. Back to the point, celibacy has it's purposes to some, and none to others. Everyone knows what is right and wrong to them in their own head. If you have promiscuous sex, that's fine. I don't judge other people, but I do judge myself. I am not one to go out and have promiscuous sex, I'm not a very sexual person at all (pardon me for my blunt honesty). I know when I am crossing my border of what I personally think is right or wrong when I get an uncomfortable feeling accompanied by that questioning feeling of "should I be doing this?" Some people feel differently about sex, than others. You just do what you know feels right to you.

All the best,
dotster

[Selea]

Egyptians believed that sexual energy could be used to revitalize and restore the human body via a process wherein the energy that shoots up your spine during orgasm is directed up the spine, out the back and then enters back into the body through the chest forming an ankh (a process shockingly named ankhing).

While it is true that egyptians used sexual energy and they were well aware of what it is called "kundalini" (as symbolized by the uraeus, especially on the god-form of Horus) I don't know where you did take this information about this "ankhing" practice. What you describe is a formula of Taoism, called the "Energy Orbit" (also if a little misunderstood, it seems to me).

Nothing in the rituals of egyptians or they writings even remotely suggest the use of a similar formula, also because they were not interested (as are the Taoists) to reabsorb the energy in that way (that btw is in the swadhisthana and not the anatta, usually, for a very specific reason) because they used the eucharist (that is a much more powerful formula for the same end, albeit more dangerous).

This allows the energy (sensation) of the orgasm to be circulated through the body a few times so that it sticks around a while longer than it normally does. This elated and lengthened state of orgasm also leads to increased stimulation of certain glands that then further release more and additional hormones and chemicals into the body leaving one in a feeling of bliss afterwards instead of emptiness.

As I've explained before the feeling of "emptiness" is just a "nature warning" that something is done wrong, it should never happen, no matter what formula you use. And as for Taoist tantra there's a reason for the circulation, that's not what you describe. It is a way to achieve Unio Mystica, but done in a way to put the energy to "earth". It is an alternative method (albeit not working as efficiently, but less dangerous because it has less chance of causing troubles or mischief if not used properly) of discharging the energy to the material plane without the eucharist.

In Buddhic tantra, like mentioned below, celibacy and retention are just a means to the same end. In certain Buddhist traditions sexual activity is viewed as a distraction from achieving enlightenment. Lust is considered an addiction of physicality and to untether yourself from physical reality you must relinquish all physical addictions because they are like roots anchoring you in here.

True, but celibacy has nothing to do with having or not having sex, but in the way you use it, e.g. as a sacrament. Deciding to not have sex is using sex as a sacrament in the same way.

For an exposition on the matter (as how to use sex as a sacrament) you can read of in "Energized Enthusiasm" by Crowley (and other sources, but here it is explained without all the embellishments and behind-the-lines remarks).

[dotster]

While it is true that egyptians used sexual energy and they were well aware of what it is called "kundalini" (as symbolized by the uraeus, especially on the god-form of Horus) I don't know where you did take this information about this "ankhing" practice. What you describe is a formula of Taoism, called the "Energy Orbit" (also if a little misunderstood, it seems to me).

Nothing in the rituals of egyptians or they writings even remotely suggest the use of a similar formula, also because they were not interested (as are the Taoists) to reabsorb the energy in that way (that btw is in the swadhisthana and not the anatta, usually, for a very specific reason) because they used the eucharist (that is a much more powerful formula for the same end, albeit more dangerous).

As I've explained before the feeling of "emptiness" is just a "nature warning" that something is done wrong, it should never happen, no matter what formula you use. And as for Taoist tantra there's a reason for the circulation, that's not what you describe. It is a way to achieve Unio Mystica, but done in a way to put the energy to "earth". It is an alternative method (albeit not working as efficiently, but less dangerous because it has less chance of causing troubles or mischief if not used properly) of discharging the energy to the material plane without the eucharist.

True, but celibacy has nothing to do with having or not having sex, but in the way you use it, e.g. as a sacrament. Deciding to not have sex is using sex as a sacrament in the same way.

For an exposition on the matter (as how to use sex as a sacrament) you can read of in "Energized Enthusiasm" by Crowley (and other sources, but here it is explained without all the embellishments and behind-the-lines remarks).

The ankhing process is a tad more involved than what I have written in my previous post, I was merely providing an example. If it rings a bell with some people then let that bell ring please. Don't let your ego get in the way my friend. You do not know all there is to know nor do I or anyone else (especially concerning Egyptian culture). We are all just sharing information and experiences here are we not? There are many many different views on celibacy. Let's not go trying to shut people down here because our beliefs and sense of "true and false" step in our way. In the end the only true proof we have is the one we let ourselves believe. I think if humanity would do a little more experiencing and a lot less believing then the world would be a much more open-minded place.

All the best,
dotster

[CFTraveler]

I know I should stay out of this but for informational purposes only, I will share that I first heard of the ankhing practice from Drunvalo Melchizedek, who wrote that he got it as channeled information.
Take that for what it's worth, with a shoulder shrug.

[Selea]

The ankhing process is a tad more involved than what I have written in my previous post, I was merely providing an example. If it rings a bell with some people then let that bell ring please. Don't let your ego get in the way my friend.

The practice you mentioned is CLEARLY taken from Taoist tantra and mixed with egyptian but there's no writing or egyptian ritual that can make one think they were doing such a thing.

Naturally you can believe what you want, and who wrote that can do it too, but since I think I probably know a little more than that guy/girl of the things spoken here, maybe I can dissent a bit, don't you think?

I've seen many times in the past people talking about practices they clearly know nothing about to begin with, mixing them with others (egyptians are the preferred sources many times) because they "channelled" or similar or saw a symbol that for them it meant what they wanted it to mean and made primarily a fool of themselves and secondarily a fool of others that believe in them.

I was pointing out the falsity of that information, but if you or anybody else want to believe in it then do so.

You do not know all there is to know nor do I or anyone else (especially concerning Egyptian culture).

If you would understand what that Taoist practice involves really, then you would understand why egyptians wouldn't do it (it is all in the god-forms they used - confront them for example with the symbology of taoism). If the writer would have at last a minimal grasp of the forces arising from using the egyptian god-forms and the difference between the forces arised by using a ritual as the "energy orbit", s/he would understand immediately that the two cannot be compatible, at all. Btw the ankh is a symbol of the Rose-Cross and already this was enough to understand how wrong was that assumption for one that know a little about what the symbol really means.

I know you can think: how can you know what they were doing for sure (and that's in fact why the egyptians - among others - are used to begin with by all this "channellers")? Symbols (as the god-forms) have a meaning and the way rituals are approached explain the formulas the egyptian used, and the two mixed togheter form a sort of "map" (naturally not complete, but better than nothing).

- Since there's nothing not in the symbology of egypt not in their rituals that can make one believe they were doing something similar (since, again, they used the eucharist);
- Since that practice (what a casuality...) is strikingly similar (i.e. the same) as a somewhat-known Taoist Tantra practice (albeit naturally not understood at all to begin with - using the heart chakra will nullify everything);
- Since if you have a little practical experience on the forces that arise in using egyptian magic formulas (as the god-form, especially the one of Horus in this case) you can understand the total (opposite, in fact) difference of the energies in taoism tantra (or anyway using a formula as the "energy orbit" or that "ankhing")

...you can be sure that the information is false and just another silly attempt at talking about things the writer doesn't know nothing about to begin with and mixing it with something else s/he knows even less about just to sound important.

And naturally: create the pit and there will be always sheeps that will fall in it.

We are all just sharing information and experiences here are we not? There are many many different views on celibacy.

Celibacy is born that way. It was not meant to avoid sex, that's a corruption of modern times.

As for sharing, I have nothing to say about it. However if you share information that Rimbaud wrote the "Paradise Lost", someone probably will reply that you are incorrect and it was Milton.

[Selea]

I know I should stay out of this but for informational purposes only, I will share that I first heard of the ankhing practice from Drunvalo Melchizedek, who wrote that he got it as channeled information.

As I supposed.

Oh well...

"The slaves shall serve".

EDIT: I've gone to the page of this Drunvalo and I took a look at this practice. It will be a waste of time to point all the fallacies, but I will mention just this that could explain how much he really understands of these things:

"Most people in the world are ignorant about what happens to their sexual energy after they have an orgasm. Usually, the energy moves up the spine and out the top of the head directly into the eighth or thirteenth chakra (same chakra, different system). In a few rare cases, the sexual energy is released down the spine into the hidden center below the feet, the point opposite the one above the head."

If it was that easy...
If orgasm would naturally awake the kundalini and bring it to the Sahasrara then all people having sex would be enlightened. The idiocy of these sort of people is so astounding as to be almost impossible to imagine either if you wanted to. And he has either the pretence of telling what "most people in the world are ignorant about". Matter of fact they are ignorant of it because that doesn't happen automatically (and it's neither a "fire and forget" process) and so they are right (because in fact it doesn't happen this at orgasm, by itself) and he is wrong. He probably really thinks that everytime he has an orgasm (no matter how he does it) the kundalini automatically arise to the crown chakra, omg.

To not to talk about "in a few rare cases, the sexual energy is released down the spine into the hidden center below the feet". Apart that the centre below the feet is not a centre at all, it was created this way by Israel Regardie as focus to "put the energies to earth", he doesn't clearly neither understand of what the hell he is babbling about. There's no "hidden centre below the feet", and "releasing the energy down" it has nothing to do with this and actually it's a thing that ALWAYS happens if semen is discharged (so he says in "rare cases" when it's the thing that always happens in 99% of cases while having sex).

Enough of this, I have better things to do.

[i smoke and drink coffee]

After going through all that, I'm not sure just what to say.

I will say, I've discovered that I have a more satisfying sexual experience if I don't let go of the semen.  I can actually enjoy myself if I'm not rrying to release, and almost come to orgasm.  So it prolly doesn't have anything in it about releasing semen.  More like, the stimulation of the organ, and body.  It would be nice to have a sexual partner, for now, I enjoy tickling myself or playing with my butthole, and so forth.

I think if you were already in orgasm and then, released your semen, it would do what that guy said, like automatically.  Sex is about pleasure, isn't it?  It's not fun if the only point is to release a driplet of gross slime.  There's so much more to it!  It starts with, like in that one movie, he says it starts with the eye, the appearance, and then goes through the mating rituals until at last, and then finally, you sleep together after a passionate sex go, and dream, and maybe even astral project together! 

So maybe what I'm getting at is that we can retain our sexual energy and it increases when we use it.  Or when we finally use it.  It's a process, not that I'm a great lover or anything, but the process is always there.  I know one time I was tickling some woman's butt, she was into me before I did that.  So I stopped, rolled over on the couch, and my friend went at her.  That's how it goes.  Sometimes, we don't want to be touched, and might just want to go kill zombies in Call Of Duty.  We need to want to have sex, and usually, if we want it bad enough, a partner will almost automatically come along.  Same way, we can have intense fantasy about sex and reach a state of bliss in that way as well.  I've also discovered (for myself) that a fantasy about sex does not have to include masturbation or mattress screwing.  You can just hold on to the memory of that special someone and hang on to them until you fall asleep, chances are good, you'll dream about that person.

[i smoke and drink coffee]

btw, what exactly is this tongue thing?  I didn't get it, but I tried curling my tongue up on itself, and immediately, my saliva started to flush through the mouth.  Feels strange, but I like the saliva coming back.  Been a few years since I had spit.  Mostly just spit during smoking.  Thought I was all dried up!  LOL!  Can you possibly explain or draw some crude diagram of some kind?  I don't get it.

[Selea]

After going through all that, I'm not sure just what to say.

You should read "Energized Enthusiasm" as I've said. The point is using sex as a sacrament.

I will provide some quotes, paste them togheter to form a sort of "easy picture" so maybe you can comprehend.

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The divine consciousness which is reflected and refracted in the works of Genius feeds upon a certain secretion, as I believe. This secretion is analogous to semen, but not identical with it.

The Greeks say that there are three methods of discharging the Lyden Jar of Genius. These three methods they assign to three Gods.

These three Gods are Dionysus, Apollo, Aphrodite. In English: wine, woman and song.

Now it would be a great mistake to imagine that the Greeks were recommending a visit to a brothel. Agree then that it does not follow from the fact that wine, woman and song make the sailor's tavern that these ingredients must necessarily concoct a hell-broth.  The spiritual flower of this process is that at the moment of discharge a physical ecstasy occurs, a spasm analogous to the mental spasm which meditation gives. And further, in the sacramental and ceremonial use of the sexual act, the divine consciousness may be attained.

The sexual act being then a sacrament, it remains to consider in what respect this limits the employment of the organs. All personal considerations must be banished utterly. Just as any priest can perform the miracle of transubstantiation, so can any man, possessing the necessary qualifications, perform this other miracle, whose nature must form the subject of a subsequent discussion. I need hardly emphasize the necessity for the strictest self-control and concentration on their part. As it would be blasphemy to enjoy the gross taste of the wine of the sacrament, so must the celebrant suppress even the minutest manifestation of animal pleasure. Needless also to insist on a similar quality in the assistants; the sexual excitement must be suppressed and transformed into its religious equivalent.

By the use of the three methods in one the whole being of man may thus be stimulated.

The music will create a general harmony of the brain, leading it in its own paths; the wine affords a general stimulus of the animal nature; and the sex-excitement elevates the moral nature of the man by its close analogy with the highest ecstasy. It remains, however, always for him to make the final transmutation. Unless he have the special secretion which I have postulated, the result will be commonplace.

So consonant is this system with the nature of man that it is exactly parodied and profaned not only in the sailor's tavern, but in the society ball. Here, for the lowest natures the result is drunkenness, disease and death; for the middle natures a gradual blunting of the finer feelings; for the higher, an exhilaration amounting at the best to the foundation of a life-long love.

Now the purpose of such a ball, the moral attitude on entering, seems to me to be of supreme importance. If you go with the idea of killing time, you are rather killing yourself. Baudelaire speaks of the first period of love when the boy kisses the trees of the wood, rather than kiss nothing. At the age of thirty-six I found myself at Pompeii, passionately kissing that great grave statue of a woman that stands in the avenue of the tombs. Even now, as I wake in the morning, I sometimes fall to kissing my own arms.

It is with such a feeling that one should go to a ball, and with such a feeling intensified, purified and exalted, that one should leave it. If this be so, how much more if one go with the direct religious purpose burning in one's whole being! Imagine then a ball in which the music is the choir celestial, the wine the wine of the Graal, or that of the Sabbath of the Adepts, and one's partner the Infinite and Eternal One, the True and Living God Most High!

Go even to a common ball --- the Moulin de la Galette will serve even the least of my magicians --- with your whole soul aflame within you, and your whole will concentrated on these ...ansubstantiations, and tell me what miracle takes place! It is the hate of, the distaste for, life that sends one to the ball when one is old; when one is young one is on springs until the hour falls; but the love of God, which is the only true love, diminishes not with age; it grows deeper and intenser with every satisfaction. It seems as if in the noblest men this secretion constantly increases --- which certainly suggests an external reservoir --- so that age loses all its bitterness. We find "Brother Lawrence," Nicholas Herman of Lorraine, at the age of eighty in continuous enjoyment of union with God. Buddha at an equal age would run up and down the Eight High Trances like an acrobat on a ladder; stories not too dissimilar are told of Bishop Berkeley. Many persons have not attained union at all until middle age, and then have rarely lost it.

It is, indeed, of the first importance for the celebrant in any phallic rite to be able to complete the act without even once allowing a sexual or sensual thought to invade his mind. The mind must be as absolutely detached from one's own body as it is from another person's.

Of musical instruments few are suitable. The human voice is the best, and the only one which can be usefully employed in chorus. Anything like an orchestra implies infinite rehearsal, and introduces an atmosphere of artificiality. The organ is a worthy solo instrument, and is an orchestra in itself, while its tone and associations favour the religious idea.

The violin is the most useful of all, for its every mood expresses the hunger for the infinite, and yet it is so mobile that it has a greater emotional range than any of its competitors. Accompaniment must be dispensed with, unless a harpist be available.

The harmonium is a horrible instrument, if only because of its associations; and the piano is like unto it, although, if unseen and played by a Paderewski, it would serve. The trumpet and the bell are excellent, to startle, at the crisis of a ceremony.

Hot, drubbing, passionate, in a different class of ceremony, a class more intense and direct, but on the whole less exalted, the tom-tom stands alone. It combines well with the practice of mantra, and is the best accompaniment for any sacred dance.

Wine being a mocker and strong drink raging, its use is more likely to lead to trouble than mere music.

One essential difficulty is dosage. One needs exactly enough; and, as Blake points out, one can only tell what is enough by taking too much. For each man the dose varies enormously; so does it for the same man at different times.

The sexual excitement, which must complete the harmony of method, offers a more difficult problem.

It is exceptionally desirable that the actual bodily movements involved should be decorous in the highest sense, and many people are so ill-trained that they will be unable to regard such a ceremony with any but critical or lascivious eyes; either would be fatal to all the good already done. It is presumably better to wait until all present are greatly exalted before risking a profanation.

Of sacred dances the most practical for a gathering is the seated dance. One sits cross-legged on the floor, and sways to and fro from the hips in time with the mantra. A solo or duet of dancers as a spectacle rather distracts from this exercise. I would suggest a very small and very brilliant light on the floor in the middle of the room. Such a room is best floored with mosaic marble; an ordinary Freemason's Lodge carpet is not a bad thing.

The eyes, if they see anything at all, see then only the rhythmical or mechanical squares leading in perspective to the simple unwinking light.

The swinging of the body with the mantra (which has a habit of rising and falling as if of its own accord in a very weird way) becomes more accentuated; ultimately a curiously spasmodic stage occurs, and then the consciousness flickers and goes out; perhaps breaks through into the divine consciousness, perhaps is merely recalled to itself by some variable in external impression. The above is a very simple description of a very simple and earnest form of ceremony, based entirely upon rhythm.

It is very easy to prepare, and its results are usually very encouraging for the beginner.

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Also read, of the same Crowley, in Magick in Theory and Practice, chap. XV, XII and XX (in this order) and lastly Liber XXV (The Star Ruby) and Liber XXXVI (The Star Sapphire), and for an "infernal" (Crowley did like to play this jokes, in reality it has only to do with a special occurence in the month) version of this last, LXVI (Stellae Rubeae). If you can read behind the lines you will have a quite good picture from where to start from and understand a little more about the process.

[dotster]

btw, what exactly is this tongue thing?  I didn't get it, but I tried curling my tongue up on itself, and immediately, my saliva started to flush through the mouth.  Feels strange, but I like the saliva coming back.  Been a few years since I had spit.  Mostly just spit during smoking.  Thought I was all dried up!  LOL!  Can you possibly explain or draw some crude diagram of some kind?  I don't get it.

Haha I know the feeling man, I used to smoke pretty heavily. For the tongue thing all you have to do is stick the tip of your tongue on the roof of your mouth and slide the tip of your tongue as far back as you can go (like your drawing a line on the roof of your mouth with your tongue ) If you can touch your uvula (the little tiny tongue thing) at the back of your throat then you can probably stick your tongue up in your nasopharynx (diagram -->) http://www.practicalhospital.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/c7_nasopharynx.jpg if not, then you would either have to stretch or snip your frenulum. If you can touch the uvula though then with some help from a finger or two try pushing your tongue further back (keeping in mind that your tongue will be going "up" your throat and not down). Eventually the soft palete (the back part of the roof of your mouth) will slip under your tongue, and your tongue will be in a whole new place. It feels really weird at first man, and it'll take you by surprise the first time it slips up in there no doubt. It will feel weird the first few times but the back of the palete will stretch out and it actually becomes just as natural to rest your tongue up there as keeping it in your mouth. As I said, there's a little notch on the back of the septum that when stimulated is quite nice to the senses.

To Selea, I am so sorry. I was under the influence at the time I posted that, and sometimes I can get a little egotistical and "above" myself when I drink. I'm sorry I came off as a complete a-hole, that's really not me I promise. Anyways I just really wanted to offer my sincerest apologizes for my attitude, also to anyone else who had the misfortune of bearing witness to my shame haha. Sorry guys.

All the best,
Dotster