if who-he-ha-ha is against the righteous in these days how can he be god if god means good surly he has chosen to be an anti Christ and worshipping him is exactly what he told you not to do? do you actually worship the anti Christ
if your god told you to pray at home discreetly why do you all gather in a church and pray if its against your gods wish
if Jesus said don't worship me worship the one who sent me why does half the world worship Christ
if Satan is so bad why is he chained up while all the sinners are killed and then released to do it all over again
does it mean that god likes having Satan around more than you
i have red the bible and i find it to be a way of universally ordering the death of 2 thirds of all life. maybe you good god doesn't like people much unless you believe 2 thirds of life are evil.
Maybe somebody can explain there version of these points because from what i can see being a friend of Christ is not the same as being a Christ and if your a sheep your not good enough to make it through the narrow opening
:NoY
Hi Nodes.
This reply may not be what you expect, but you did ask for replies, so here's mine:
Quote from: NoY on January 25, 2010, 08:19:19
if who-he-ha-ha is against the righteous in these days how can he be god if god means good surly he has chosen to be an anti Christ and worshipping him is exactly what he told you not to do? do you actually worship the anti Christ
First of all, who said YHWH is against the righteous these days? Are you making a distinction between 'righteous' and 'self-righteous'?
Quoteif your god told you to pray at home discreetly why do you all gather in a church and pray if its against your gods wish
I don't know what you mean by 'my God'- Jesus told his followers to pray to God in silence and privacy, not for show, and to make others think you're awesome. Sharing your feelings with others doesn't mean you're praying to God to impress others. Sure some do, and those are the ones who are doing the opposite of what Jesus intended- but to interpret this passage to mean that God doesn't want you to share your faith is in my opinion incorrect. It's a 'lawyerly' way of nitpicking about what should be and shouldn't be done.
Quoteif Jesus said don't worship me worship the one who sent me why does half the world worship Christ
Because of the groups that changed the initial movement from 'learning what to do from Jesus the teacher', to 'worshipping Jesus as God to avoid actual following of instructions and leaving the power in the hands of an elite few'. This is history.
Quoteif Satan is so bad why is he chained up while all the sinners are killed and then released to do it all over again
This is your interpretation of various passages that talk about different things, I don't believe that's what it really was about initially, before the Bible was redacted.
Quotedoes it mean that god likes having Satan around more than you
It means nothing at all, because it never happened.
Quotei have red the bible and i find it to be a way of universally ordering the death of 2 thirds of all life.
Since the Bible isn't 'one book', and wasn't written as 'one thing', it's actually the symbolic retelling of things that happened, rules of law for people of a certain time period and prophecy designed to achieve a historical purpose, I don't think it's any of those things- it's whatever you make of it. But certainly it's not an 'order', more like a veiled threat to a very specific Roman Emperor- which didn't work, by the way.
Quotemaybe you good god doesn't like people much unless you believe 2 thirds of life are evil.
According to who?
QuoteMaybe somebody can explain there version of these points
Well, some of those points seem to come from the book of Revelation, which was written by a greek guy who was in prison by Nero (IIRC). He wrote the words of revelation to send to Nero as a letter, basically telling what would happen if he didn't let his people go, and himself of course. And the rest is history.
Quotebecause from what i can see being a friend of Christ
You are attributing things to Jesus that he had almost nothing to do with. John the Revelator wrote his book almost 90 years after Jesus' death, and it was taken as 'prophecy' later on in the dark ages- but if you look at the history of the dark ages, those people were looking for any excuse to hurt others, and used these texts as an excuse for their own bloodlust.
First of all, who said YHWH is against the righteous these days? Are you making a distinction between 'righteous' and 'self-righteous'?
the end of joshuah i belive
however the bible was put together it is nowdays 1 book that is touted as fact. just like many parts make a movie but its 1 film , so the oragin is not as important as the impact or the concequence in the mind of man.
i figured id ask questions i know the answers to to point out flaws in the book they call the truth.
i was not expecting a well educated person to answer the post but im glad you did thankyou
:NoY:
Quotethe end of joshuah i belive
I'll have to take a look, I don't remember at the moment.
Thanks.
I believe in the Creator of our consciousness, the existance of which we all are.
The Bible has been re-written and translated many, many times. I'm sure everything that was originally in there is not what is in it now.
Disagreeing with the Bible or the laws of Christianity does not mean you have to disagree with the existance of God(or whatever you call him/it), all Religions worship a different 'Creator', what people do not realize is no matter what they call it, they are all the same.
Unless you are specifically talking about the 'God' in 'Christianity', and the one the bible talks of.
He who reads between the lines can see that yahweh/yaldabaoth/jehovah and Satan are one and the same, being the one wicked Usurper in creation , responsible for the creation of the universe, playing out his two personalities of Deity and Devil.
In the bible it can be often observed how the Usurper, in his "God personality" loses temper and demands to be feared, obeyed and worship. In his insane wickedness, the being entitles itself to be punisher/rewarder, destroyer and creator, under command are his agents and minions such as the Lords Of Karma executing his defect judgements.
It takes a lot of ignorance and indoctrination to assume this being to be God and It certainly shall not be my God for i despise such a vicious hypocrit.
peace
Or it could just be that the people of the time, used to a feudal system, couldn't understand the concept of deity as anything but what they associated with authority: A supreme being that was just as their kings/leaders were- patriarchal, tribal (therefore jealous), sovereign, and cruel. If they couldn't conceive of any other attribute than power, that's how they wrote about their concept of God.
That's why Jesus decided to change the concept of God from 'ruler/king' to that of 'Father'. Still limited, but definitely better than what they were working with.
Now he's just at boss status. At least you can always quit and find another job. :lol:
It's good you're questioning things my friend, but it would be good for your development as a soul to research the origin of the bible. It's greatly misinterpreted today, 45% of it was derived from Sumerian mythology after all, which as I'm sure you know pre-dates anything remotely biblical. Sadly religion today serves little purpose from a soul development standpoint, but does act as a tool to control and divide the masses. I'd be happy to talk to you about this further if you're up for learning a little more, or i can even point you in the right direction in hopes you'll research such topics. Free free to drop a private message/msn.
Much Love
- Ellis