Finding truth and trusting (I think)

[mrjoshua]

First thread, don't want to offend anyone..

Firstly, I have no official religion, so I'm not trying to preach, I delve into alot of things, including religion(s) but also basics like astral travel, a complicated thing.

The below is not a new concept but one I have to remind myself of alot to feel complete after I feel like my spiritual constitution has been dissected by experience and words from many different people, alot of it true.
So maybe it can be of use to you.

Everyone has different view of the world and here is the place we express some of it in words. Words just give people a snippet of what a person believes and what emotions, experiences and thoughts have led them there.

Religions of all kinds were developed by humans for the purpose of categorizing life, so we can make a narrow substitute for an infinite truth. This is so we can feel a bit more secure in life believing in our snippet of the truth.
Through both negative pride and insecurity, some religions(people) may hinder learning, like the "If it was not written, it cannot be true" attitude.
Conversely, associating religions with a negative image or emotion will will hinder people from learning more truth. It is best to be open. What does open mean?

No one can really know the whole truth about the history of the universe and whether we believe/accept it or not, we are all in the same game, not one of us is better than the other.

There is only one thing I believe without doubt: All of these names for the great spirit/god/El/Allah (whatever it be in your language) refer to the same thing. The closest English word is love  (although English linguists have combined many meanings into one word, you pick the right one).
Beliefs and religions evolve, love does not, love is an intelligent being that rules the universe and helps us to progress.

To learn more we shouldn't be afraid of feeling like we have a "weak" mind or feeling like actually know less than we think. We need to become like a child (This is not the first time this has been said), absorb and observe. Surely you trust in love enough to believe you will not be led astray, because trusting in love and devoting yourself to it will ensure that you will not be ensnared by "evil" beliefs or become "brainwashed" by a religion/cult, if that is your worry while you are on this journey that has lead you to this forum. Its great to think about what this means.
Think you can't feel love? don't worry it is within you and everyone else, you will realize/find it, I've been there for a long time(years).

OK, that's my first snippet, sounds simple, redundant, unromantic to me , like I have long hair and own a Hessian bag. Cheers.

Thank you if you have taken the above in, reply please. Be objective with what is said by anyone and believe what you want, but to get warmer you have to trust love first.

[slernman]

If one follows emotion as you have described then there is no room for logic in ones life. I think of life as my own and not just endless wondering of emotion. I believe I control my life for better or worse in the decisions that I make; those designs are made by myself not through blind emotion but rather through intellect and understanding I myself have achieved through my own experience of my life.

[mrjoshua]

I agree.

[Wandering Indigo]

It sounds like you have some of the basics of real Christianity down. Please ignore all mass-oriented pagan approaches toward it(commonly found in "churches" of all types) and focus on the major points I can recall at the moment(there is an intricate set of lifestyle points to digest in the New Testament, but do so very carefully as you are prone to try to understand it with faulty hardware-known as the carnal or "physical" mind.). 1) Seek understanding and always try to expand your knowledge. 2) unconditionally love all humans, as though they are family, each and every one(this doesn't mean let someone kick your butt... any sibling would fight back tooth and nail with someone muscling them around... maybe even give them a talking to using "tough love" to teach them right) 3) Focus never on negative thoughs but instead on positive ones. "What can I learn from this mistake that caused a national disaster?" for example, instead of something horribly negative like "oh man I really messed up and now I really hate myself." Eliminate the negative from situations not by pretending its not there but by refusing to acknowledge it until it's addressed by someone else. At that moment, address it in a positive, warm, joyous "oops, it won't happen again, so let's learn from it!" attitude. This will immensely improve your life in all degrees. 4) your mouth is a very powerful thing. It has the power to kill or save, to heal or destroy, to help or injure. Remember that despite the world's simple and mindless view, the spoken word is the most powerful thing in existence, moreso than any physical weapon, moreso than any gun or bomb(nuclear or otherwise).  Watch yourself, be careful what you believe, and always ask for confirmation on anything you're uneasy about(I mean from God). Good luck and have fun!

[Gandalf]

Profound... simply profound stuff from Indigo there  

for such an 'enlightened' guy he shows an incredible amount of sectarian hatred for 'pagan' catholisism. As for your general point that you can't kill an idea, I would agree, so would Al'Queda: pity someone forgot to tell George Bush and the people who voted for him.

[Wandering Indigo]

True, I bear a hatred, but not for catholicism specifically. I bear it for negative-style thought orientations, my primary irk being with the catholics currently. They caught my angst simply because they are a mass-manipulative thought police geared organization bent on world domination and extravagant living at the expense of all possible followers. They alone do not irk me. The thought style of such men as Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Churchill, Sun Yung Moon, Mao, Mohammed and many other psychoterrorists with a huge ego and the charisma to make their perverse dreams happen are my prime irritants on this temporary plane of existence. They infect the populace with confusion and insanity, then lead them by the nose for lack of ability to mentally function due to the traumatization caused in younger years by media devices designed to pour programming into them at lightspeed, which are manipulated by a committee of psychologists and sociologists with the agenda of programming thoughtstyles, or "teaching them WHAT to think, not HOW to think, and when to think it". I loathe psychoimprisonment. I hate hypnosis-induced control patterns(I had to rid myself of several of these lately, with no assistance. I was successful). I hate not people in general, but the near-miss of the truth that I see constantly forming as a tumorous growth in everyday life. In fact, I have witnessed and analyzed and done math to such a degree using my subconscious mind to do all the real labor(all the intensive thinking) that it has taken over 80 years of non-stop DIRECT influence by deceptive people with specific agendas for mass control patterns(worldwide, but mainly in Britain(its stem nowadays), Europe and North America) to have such decay as I have witnessed in today's generations. Al-Qaued is a branch of the US CIA. I kid you not. 9/11 was planned 2 years in advance. The buildings were pro-demolitioned and the gold bars removed on 9/10. WW3 is on the same agenda, as is a Draft for the USA. I'll not mention when or how I got the info, or where you can risk your life getting it(as I'm sure you're not as experienced in datasnatch as I am, and it's not online), so please don't ask. 9/11 was declassified, and not by the idiot michael moore. Katrina was so emphasized(it was created using HAARP. I did the math. It works. It is not a normal hurricane, and it cannot have done what it did with the currents moving globally as they were. It was 100% man-made.) that 9/11 slid right on by with not even so much as a whimper being heard. Thanks mass-media. I hate the control system I have to live in. This planet should be doomed, doomed to reform and complete restoration as it currently is. Please notify me if anyone can teach me Chronokinesis. I will find it vital to my lifestyle and work.

[Rob]

Hmm, interesting.

"It is not a normal hurricane, and it cannot have done what it did with the currents moving globally as they were. It was 100% man-made"

Please go further into this for me - I am pretty hip on weather manipulation techniques and HAARP stuff, so we should be able to converse on a reasonable level about this. I have heard that Katrina made a 90deg turn before hitting mainland, is this what you are referring to? PM me if you prefer - we are somewhat "off topic" here.


Rob

[Gandalf]

I have heard a bit about HAARP. This this still an ongoing project?

Doug

[Wandering Indigo]

HAARP was recently added onto(It's a permanently ongoing project, as it has interstellar and later transdimensional applications), as of 2004 when it got a $30mil grant from the gov't to expand the tower field, and regarding the hurricanes... have you wondered how a hurricane can STOP and STAY in ONE PLACE for a WEEK over the ocean on its own? Check out the one off Florida's coastline... odd. Plus, how can Antarctic pressure come through South African air currents over the equator directed precisely at the USA, after a few tweaks? Answer: It has never done this until the last 10 years. Not even thousands of years ago, the winds cannot do this due to pressure variances and the issue of high pressure migration across a higher pressure area, while retaining its cold nature... There's also the chemical factor. Ever since the 1940's, we've noticed white planes making clouds at high altitudes. This has never been to replenish the Ozone(as the Idiot Box--TV-- claimed it to be when letters were sent to the government in the 1940's and 50's). Why are Barium(chemtrails.com link - someone grabbed a HEPA filter and hung it on a plane, flew in a chemical spray, landed and tested it. If the link is gone -damn CIA..- try using Google) and other chemicals beign dumped on us EVERY DAY? I wonder... and why are our TV programs all geared toward a specific idea or pattern every year or two, most stations changing at the same time? Why are we being opressed further and further every month, and why are nameless bills being passed with no public notification? We're more than twice overdue for a revolution(every 40 years, according to a former patriotic leader whose name escapes me right now)... I think one will happen if the American Government keeps going after opium and oil instead of criminals. My honest opinion? The Gov't is a puppetshow, with the real power being the Freemasonic Order(which includes many orders beneath it, much like an umbrella corporation) and the Illuminati, the ones I ache and yearn to wipe off the face of this Earth to stop the flow of poison into the veins of Earth's people. I feel alone in this knowledge and will likely only come to realize how the world hurts for a revolution when it starts. The important figures to watch out for are the Head of Rome(puppet supreme, with lucifer enthroned into him upon acceptance of Popery) and the Head of Britain(the head of the Illuminati... and a reptile half-breed... check the DNA).
     I continue to see things I should not be able to see and go places I never knew existed. I usually find out about the places I saw later on as I glimpse a photo or postcard of them, or about the things I saw by a news snippet or by it happening right in front of me. I think I'm Remote Viewing, but I don't know how to control it. Please suggest anything that might help? BTW-this topic may need to be split into several more threads, moderator.  

[malganis]

i found these articles about HAARP.

http://www.freedomdomain.com/weathercontrol/pandora.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/haarp00.html

http://www.freedomdomain.com/weather.html with more links

[Wandering Indigo]

www.cheniere.org is where I first learned that more than the USA have scalar EM weapons. http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011605.htm is a letter that states flaws in EE field "theory". I looked for the debriefing on Scalar Electromagnetic Weaponry, but decided that instead of spending more than a half hour on it(I've run around the net for 30 minutes now) I'd better get to bed, as I have been exhausted of late and need to run the recieving dock tomorrow, as the man "in charge" has cooked his brain by using his cellphone too much over a long period of time. Protien leakeage and a cooked hippocampus and cerebellum, not to mention extensive microwave-related hemorrhaging(cellphones are microwave generators, people!!! So are Wireless Network Transmitters, but the WNT's are almost as potent as a microwave you cook food in. The one you cook food in bounces the radiation around, the WTN's don't, so you don't heat up near as fast, you just cook evenly.) have caused his IQ to sink below the acceptably stupid mark and I have to naturally compensate for his lack of ability to think, despite me being the newest employee on the crew(2 months!). Yay. Goodnight all!

[Neutrino4344]

are you guys confused? why live your life by feelings and emotions instead of Jesus?

[NickJW]

Well if you live your life without feelings and emotions, you will become a very logical thinker. Therefore you would never believe in Jesus without emotions.

[MindFreak]

Also, Not everyone follows Jesus. Not everyone is christian. Not everyone believes the bible. I for one live my life by the Buddha, not jesus.

[cosmicbuffet]

First thread, don't want to offend anyone..

Firstly, I have no official religion, so I'm not trying to preach, I delve into alot of things, including religion(s) but also basics like astral travel, a complicated thing.

The below is not a new concept but one I have to remind myself of alot to feel complete after I feel like my spiritual constitution has been dissected by experience and words from many different people, alot of it true.
So maybe it can be of use to you.

Everyone has different view of the world and here is the place we express some of it in words. Words just give people a snippet of what a person believes and what emotions, experiences and thoughts have led them there.

Religions of all kinds were developed by humans for the purpose of categorizing life, so we can make a narrow substitute for an infinite truth. This is so we can feel a bit more secure in life believing in our snippet of the truth.
Through both negative pride and insecurity, some religions(people) may hinder learning, like the "If it was not written, it cannot be true" attitude.
Conversely, associating religions with a negative image or emotion will will hinder people from learning more truth. It is best to be open. What does open mean?

No one can really know the whole truth about the history of the universe and whether we believe/accept it or not, we are all in the same game, not one of us is better than the other.

There is only one thing I believe without doubt: All of these names for the great spirit/god/El/Allah (whatever it be in your language) refer to the same thing. The closest English word is love  (although English linguists have combined many meanings into one word, you pick the right one).
Beliefs and religions evolve, love does not, love is an intelligent being that rules the universe and helps us to progress.

To learn more we shouldn't be afraid of feeling like we have a "weak" mind or feeling like actually know less than we think. We need to become like a child (This is not the first time this has been said), absorb and observe. Surely you trust in love enough to believe you will not be led astray, because trusting in love and devoting yourself to it will ensure that you will not be ensnared by "evil" beliefs or become "brainwashed" by a religion/cult, if that is your worry while you are on this journey that has lead you to this forum. Its great to think about what this means.
Think you can't feel love? don't worry it is within you and everyone else, you will realize/find it, I've been there for a long time(years).

OK, that's my first snippet, sounds simple, redundant, unromantic to me , like I have long hair and own a Hessian bag. Cheers.

Thank you if you have taken the above in, reply please. Be objective with what is said by anyone and believe what you want, but to get warmer you have to trust love first.

Thank you for posting this, I used to be on AP quite a bit under the username "Lighthouse and have just come back to see what's up.  I love your topic and would like to address some things from my pov.  I wanted to bring the topic back around to the original post because I feel the topic has gotten a bit sticky.

First, there is no relative truth, there is only Absolute Truth, which as you describe is Love.  Love and Truth are just different ways of expressing that which is all, or another word for God.  Secondly, there is no doctrine, person, book, theology or philosophy that can teach you Truth, it is all within.

I think it is funny that someone just mentioned following Jesus, this person obviously buys into the notion that someone other than themselves has the answers.  Jesus taught to go within and that we all have the same power as him.  The reason Jesus was so powerful was because he was in a constant state of meditation and prayer.   He knew that the guidance he got from within was from his source.  He never doubted his inner guidance and trusted it.  This is the same source that is within all of us this is who we really are, yet we would rather listen to someone else's interpretation of truth rather than our own.  

We tend to get stuck on "the rules."  Jesus was a radical in his time.  He totally went against the grain and allowed nobody to tell him his truth.  He always went within and like a child, trusted the inner wisdom and intuition as the sole guide in his life.  Over and over again, he told his disciples that they only need to have faith and know and they would do the same things as him and greater.  This was his message to everyone, but nobody believed him... what a bunch of people stuck in their beliefs.

When Jesus said, "upon this rock I will build my church,"  He didn't mean to build some structure, he meant that he was against organized religion and upon the rocks and the earth, where there e was no formality would he build his church.  The church is within, this is what Jesus taught and we have adulterated it and created idolatry around the figure Jesus rather than looking within for our Truth as Jesus taught us.  

We don't trust our longings and passions, believing that society or the church or the law has the answers for us.  We carry our beliefs like badges on our sleeves, yet every belief we have that has been handed to us is best discarded (most if not all of our beliefs have been handed to us.)  We were all perfectly created by the same source as Jesus and like a big brother, he showed us the way.  He taught us who we are and as a brother, he was not superior to us, he was just the first to walk the path to Truth.  

We all appear different because we all have a different perspective... but underneath, we are the same, we are all Love, Truth, God.  Trusting our inner dictates is the path to truth.  No book, religion, person, theology or philosophy will lead you to truth... you will only find it within your own being.

[Wandering Indigo]

the amazing thing is that despite the arena which you play in metaphysically, you actually hit near the base of the truth of this matter!

I am stunned really, that more like myself seeking absolute truth through more "controversial" means, and often downright politically incorrect methods, such as speaking the truth regardless its consequences on peoples religious preference. The truth was never designed to be a weapon to harm people, but a weapon to destroy their incorrect behavior, beliefs, though patterns and statements though a gently or if necessary firm corrective method. Oft this is misconcieved, as the majority of those who believe themselves to be harbingers of the truth and doomsday hope... are mislead by greek pagan though styles and catholic twists to the truth concerning God(the Soul of God), Jesus(the Flesh of God), and the Holy Ghost(the Core or Spirit of God). He, like us, is a 3-fold being. We, however, can't go tearing a third of our entity out of ourselves and sticking it into a random pure woman to save the Earth from itself.

Truth is a weapon best used with 3 things in the foreground of thought: 1) Gentle correction and teaching 2) Absolute unwavering truth, simple in nature and definition, and without confusing "additions"(a catholic and mormon favorite... they do love adding to and twisting God's Inspired Works), easily understood by even the slowest mental invalid. Jesus did not in any way come out of God's body to confuse us and ruin the reason He came down here in the first place. 3) Jesus' commandments in the New Testament. Follow them as best you can at all times. Know that noone is perfect and be forgiving and understanding of these facts. The hardest thing is usually learning to forgive yourself, or to recognize that something terrible that happened to you wasn't your fault(childhood trauma and such).

This world as I have come to know it is not a game, a playground, "survival of the fittest" or those sort. It is a place to learn and grow within limited shells before we are given the power to mold the Universe. Since Adam ruined our original purpose, we have to endure this nonsense. The first screwup that ruined God's Plan A was lucifer, the archangel at the time. After that, things went pretty much downhill and thus you have Revelation occuring. Watch for the Second Horse! It comes nigh. Never doubt, never let the world's hatred, loathing and self-focus deter you from your intent and design(destiny, purpose, whatever you'd like to call it).

    I am just beginning to recover from all the trauma that occured in my youth and the addictions that were incurred(video games! porn.. sugary foods...) due to the escape and recuperation from these things. My full 212 IQ has not been awakened, but my subconscious mind has been hard at work the whole time. I'm nearing my 4th Level of Conscious Awareness(if I worked at it, it'd come faster), as designed.

I am an indigo and quite ticked at the general mob mentality of this populace we call America, and most especially at the arrogant saps that think they run the world. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I'm a conspiracy factualist, and I have dug into places I should not have been, talked to people who are now either dead or in hiding, and know things that can get me killed by most government organizations(worldwide). I'm also stratlingly aware that on this Earth we have never been alone. Never. Fear is something that is used to control the masses. Sex is another thing used to control the masses. Greed and self-interest are a third and fourth. The mass-marketers are targetting children with sexual and adult-level advertisements on such devices as television and the radio. I watch people. I read their chakras and spirit signatures. I observe their soul-movement and empathically read their thoughs when they speak(out of courtesy I don't answer BEFORE they speak) and sometimes dig in their pictographic thought renderings(what they're imagining). It's line-of-sight only. If they know about it they instictively throw up the psi-wall.

If you  tell them what they're thinking, they throw up the psi-wall and demand you read their thoughts. Imbeciles. They move about in a daze, seeking companionship, entertainment and escape from their everyday lives, preferentially in everything they can do, especially food or sexual fantasy. some ponder other things, such as sports or their hobby or school interests. Most enjoy sexual fantasy, as it's rammed down their psyche from birth. Older women are quite disturbing. Older men are for the most part enjoyable to read, but can on rare occasion be frightening, such as when you happen to read a pedophile's daydream(ugh!! argh!! don't want to know!!)... the older women still rank worse than that  happenstance though.

I digress a ton due to being up for another 24-hour-staright period while recovering from a cold-flu hybrid that has been hammering me for a week and a half, and the fact I've been pulling slack at work for 3 people that should be there but aren't due to firing the temp part-timers. Wal-Mart needs a revamp on their management and policies. Point being, I'm sick, overtired, overworked, and still have bills to pay with funds that won't cover them all (dammit... this system is designed to keep legitimate business ventures by less-than-multi-millionaires down) until next paycheck... I had to suddenly pay my father's medical bills. My account unexpecedly dried up and my budget was shattered.

I also have a 1-year-old to take care of... he's be walking, but he doesn't want to make the effort. He stands by himself while distracted, but sits once he realizes he's standing without hanging on to something. He walks when he really wants to get to something and it's a touch too far to grab while "cruising"... he is the ultimate cuteness. I could likely woo a lady with his charm alone(not that I'd want to, I'm happily married).

    Point lost... completely... yay! Celebrate! 1) Never lose hope, no matter if all the limbs of this machine you call a body are suddenly blown off because you wouldn't give in 2) don't ever let them win... you'll know what I mean when you see the guillotines. 3) Watch your environment... most "strange occurances" are rather... conspicuous everyday events, such as the planes that make clouds of red blood cells in the atmosphere... they look slightly pink and whispy... then resonate the GWEN and HAARP transmitters at the frequency of the viral of bacterial strain so people's body will attune to the frequency and accept the virii or bacteria as acceptable biomatter(much like food), thus allowing mass simultaneous infection(such as this most recent "cold season" that hit around Christmas, give or take a week for example. No, it's not in the water, too many diverse water sources for that to be a reality, not a warhead either... the effect was not localized or signatured by a loud pop and it was far too effective to be a warhead to begin with. It couldn't have been a localized virus due to the fact that it didn't spread in groups, but instead covered the entire state at once, even the most rural areas)... I have a quote "I see things that cannot be... yet they are.

They baffle the mind, boggle the senses, yet are there plain as one can see, accepted as commonplace by the hypnotized masses of human cattle moving to and fro chasing imaginary dreams... I am as one man with eyes in a world of the blind. They think me insane because I tell them of things they don't understand, but realize are truly there and valid. Their minds cannot comprehend the folly they have allowed themselves to fall into, yet onward they trot, to and fro, cattle moving ever onward to the slaughter of their minds... I watch in horror as I see... these things which cannot be... yet I cannot make them fade, I may only watch in agony as I pain for the sake of these cattle. My compassion wounds me."

   We fight a war not against flesh and blood, but against the powers and principalities of the kindgom of hell. This war is one of thought, knowledge, understanding and information. Not one bullet was fired that enslaved America under the Police State Socialist Reform that is currently underway. The process is not yet complete, but is progressing smoothly, despite my silent screams into the masses and letters to proper authority. Even our highest authoritative members are bought by the UK and UN. Step one in freeing the people is to level the Vatican. I do not see this occuring, so on I watch, to see the fruit of this madness cause implosion. I wait for it to cause its own fall. The Vatican and Freemasonic Order will be its own demise. I'm going to bed now. Why I wait until 4am to do this stuff is beyond my rational mind to comprehend. I hope someone will reply to this insatiably long ramble. Moderator if you'd like you can delete this and I can put something else here, far shorter, and not typed at 4 in the morning after a long hard week and a very long day.

[Selski]

Moderator if you'd like you can delete this and I can put something else here, far shorter, and not typed at 4 in the morning after a long hard week and a very long day.

I've paragraphed it - make it easier on the eye.  

Sarah

[Gandalf]

as the majority of those who believe themselves to be harbingers of the truth and doomsday hope... are mislead by greek pagan though styles and catholic twists to the truth concerning God(the Soul of God), Jesus(the Flesh of God), and the Holy Ghost(the Core or Spirit of God).
Indigo_


Bollocks!
You wouldnt have any 'theology' (a greek word) or indeed any concept of the 'threefold divinity' that you just described above without the direct influence of 'greek pagan thought'. It is 'greek pagan thought' that allowed the formulation of the theory of the trinity in the first place, a direct influence of neo-platonist thought, which was VERY influential in early christian theology.. as i said, you wouldnt have the concept of the trinity without it.

Neo-platonism was a key means that early christian writers used to formulate christian theology, mainly due to the fact that most christian writers had been neo-platonists before they converted, Augustine being one example. They carried over all the best parts of neo-platonism when they converted and used many elements of it in their exploration of a new christian theology.
The concept of the trinity came about in the 3rd century ad, as a direct result of this.


Try studying the early history of christianity before coming out with mis-informed statements.


Doug

PS I had to make the same point earlier to a muslim poster who was claiming that Islam had noting to do with western ideas, based on 'pagan philosophers like aristotle and plato'.
I had to tell him that islam, like late judaism and christianity before it, owes a hell of a lot to hellenistic thought; islam being the most recent thought system to emerge from this vast melting pot.

[Wandering Indigo]

dood. I am a developing infant. You are too, but I am a bit ... severely damaged. I'm fixing it but occasionally I botch things every now and again. Of course, I have to re-fix it when I have repaired more of my vital faculties. As per the "Three-fold Divinity" remark... you don't seem to understand my viewpoint. I was raised into that thought style and am trying to eliminate it completely from my conscious reportoire, but it's taking quite a bit of time considering I have NO EXAMPLE of anything different. Thanks to the control freaks in this world, it's rather nigh-impossible to find an untainted shred of truth nowadays without bypassing all recorded things and going straight to the Creator Himself.
  As for the Trinity... example time. You are a threefold being. I am as well, otherwise we could NOT astral or interact with the spirit world. So, as God made us in His image(in otherwords .... "JUST LIKE HIM" you seem to be inept enough to fail to grasp that fact... I felt I should shout), so is He also a threefold being... the whole ripping a third out of himself and sending it to earth into the womb of a random pure woman is rather interesting. If you still can't understand... you may need to use something very old, dusty and covered in rust and cobwebs. Your brain.
   Only everyone who has ever endeavored into the realm of metaphysics in a "hands-on" sense knows full well that there are definite entities in spiritual reality. Those who have been doing it a while know there is an "ultimate light" and an "ultimate dark", and that they can exist completely independently of each other. Also, but more importantly, they are always... at WAR. Dude, check your local history books that haven't been modified to support a specific organization's view of an ideal history and find the only one that details an ultimate evil fighting an ultimate good, with the evil beign completely parasitic and malevolent and the good being wholly loving and protective, whos wrath upon the evil power is irresistible and completely unstoppable. Once you do some thinking you may come to the realization you want to meet with either power. Once you learn their names, you may want to check into Christianity for a bit of clarification on just what the hey's going on. Put down the LeVey bible and start living the truth. You sound like some rediculously overeducated worldly atheist " bible scholar."
   The word "bollocks" has been outdated. Please update your language file in your primary linguistic sectors of your brain, dusty as it is. Of course, if the Trinity "concept" was brought about by catholics, I would understand that the Word of God has been rewritten and words were stuffed in there where they don't go. A LOT of words. I won't bother enabling you, do your own dirty work.
    You have been blammed. I felt I should inform you, since you may not have noticed. After Feb 8 I will only be able to retort possibly once or twice a year, for a week or so at a time. Please keep this in mind if you want to play. Mind, I'm a self-taught psychologist with 212 IQ. Play nice.
  Another side-note... neo-platonism? That must have been unimportant... if it was taught in history class, I already had a better thoughtstyle in place and ignored it as I tried to escape my daily psychological torment. Witches of the Coven of 13 are NOT nice people.
    A third and ridiculously undeserved side-note... do all britains add a "u" to every word they can concievably add a "u" to and get away with it? As my family can be traced back to British NAVY(officers) and Robert the Bruce, I feel I should at least try to understand the archaic systems they grew up using. As for education, unfortunately, I dropped out of the 10th grade as to not be killed by a group of young men who were after someone who looked like me, but got mixed up and attempted on several occasions to kill ME. The misunderstanding was never cleared up. I simply left. My life up until this current day has been lived in poverty and strife. My family(not my wife and child and I, we are securely founded) is torn apart by self-interest and my psyche is being rebuilt day by day(by me, with no help). I know little about human history, but can access the Unified Mind for the indescribable answer to a question. It's more like... the impression of a memory - wispy, yet visible. If I try to use it... it is horribly defaced and the rest becomes obscurity, much like a picture painted on the mist. Now... how can I possibly make this post any longer... hm... possibly... more words... random, yet important somehow... and lots of periods... =P
    Yes, I am feeling very ornery right now. Moderator in Scotland, home of my ancestors? Pah (outdated word alert!!). Everyone needs to be humbled now and then. Of course, if you go all History Major on my behind, I'll tell you to shove off and eat my shorts. History is rewritten to suit the highest bidder. Regularly. I choose to learn from the past, not bash people on the skull with it(erm... let's do try to be a bit forgiving about that last post, shall we?). . . . and then. Oh whatever. I'll post already. Half a page! Yeah! I'm gonna copy this into a text file in case it gets deleted.    As per further retorts, I'll make attempts to butcher English next time, whether it be American(not african-american-ghetto-English) or authentic British.

[Wandering Indigo]

After reviewing my post a few times(and laughing quite a bit at myself), I thought it rather controversial to post it, but did anyway just to see what happened. Sorry if I make anyone's head explode. I also edited it four spelinng reezuns! Eye tiype twu fazt!

[Ryuji]

dizzy head from UBER posts especially Wandering Indigo's

anyways.
speaking of controlling the indigos. a sure way is this new nonsense called Attention Deficit Disorder. I also was on that pills just because i though different and done things different. not to start with all the indoctrination done via religion as Wandering Indigo stated.

once you control the mind. you have successfully enslaved them, but if it wasn't for eastern influences thank god. i would still be entrapped in some silly religion dogma prison - following the rule book, think not.

very inter siting reads and all. how you measure you IQ Wandering Indigo ?
i tried the on-line ones and each time got different score by 20.

other thing i want to ask is. now that i have grown out of non thinking to thinking (been tought ride doing the whole 360 turn away and ridding myself of silly fears and indoctrinations). I would really like AP, but not sure what to do. sure there is a simple explanation how to. anything except the FAQ would be nice like URL or something

and whats this 'pagan Greek' thinking system you referring to ?

blessings,
Ruy

[baodur]

Well I can recommend to try Franks(hypnotist) hypnosis Mp3. I came very close to Ap( just couldn't separate completely). Now I'm recovering from anxiety so haven't tried Ap in a while but after reading this I feel better(stopped thinking about my anxiety and problems) and might even try to Ap soon