Dear reader. It is time to wake up and realize there is difference between being a Christian and true Christ follower.
The differences is not little either, but rather Huge!
For about more then 2000 years ago we all were heathen, we worshiped different idols like Sun, Eagles, bulls, and all kind of so called "gods". Suddenly something happened, something which changed our belief system, behave, tradition and lifestyle.
We no longer worshiped any Idols but found a person who made known for us the True Living God. This man shocked all the world with his enormous powerful words. That man was a trouble for many kings and kingdoms also. He was later declared to be Jesus the Christ Son Of True Living God. That man was huge enough to rock this world out of its place with his teaching and miracles.
None, NOT a single person have done what he have done until today (2005). Miracle after miracle was witnessed bye his followers and his enemy. And none could deny what they saw with their own eyes. That person didn't leave us empty handed, but rather left us with three wonderful gift. The three gifts were Word of God, The Holy Ghost, and Grace of God. The Word Of God is Himself, which we read about in the Bible New Testament now days.
The Holy Ghost is our teacher, and comforter in replacement of Jesus on earth, but now with the advantage of being inside of every person.
And the Last gift but not less, The Grace of God, which save us through faith in him alone.
But he also promised us one thing before he Left. That he will come back very soon....soon?
2000 years is many years for us human people. But its only 2 days for God. generation after generation beard Word of God in their heart and kept it.
We were loyal and obedient to Word Of God. But life with Christ was also meant to deny our self and follow him until last day. His enemies envy couldn't bear that. Persecution after persecution followed us as well. But that was not unexpected. Our Lord worn us about that. Persecution was not only to target the flesh, but also our spirit. Luxury, money and lust of this world was another way to choke our faith with. Times goes like running water and year after year we feel our self drowsy and slumbering to fall in sleep. Some fell in the deep sleep and waked up later with the help of their faithfully brethren, but the most unfortunately did choose to never wake up again. Their opportunity of welcoming Jesus return will be lost.
Who are those who slept and still sleep, so they will miss Jesus return?
Let me tell you something. It can very easily be You who are reading this right now, but you feel yourself very awaken right now?
Those who slept are those who no longer remember the Words of God. Who no longer follow Jesus Christ as his ancestor did. Who no longer find Jesus word to be important any longer. 2000 years is alot of years. He is suddenly "out of date".
Dear reader. Jesus didn't came here for any vacation. He came here for a very Sirius and important Issue. It was to shout out following message to you:
"Listen to me my dears, I'm here to worn you of what will come to happened to you because of your sins which will condemn you down to hell, I'm here to worn you of the devil who is invisible to your eyes but working as a roaring lion to devour you. I want to tell you how much I love you and want you to be saved from that. Believe me and follow me!. I will do my best to save you. Even if it will cost my life and blood to be shed down on earth. I will do it!" and ITS DONE.
My email is: debunker@epunkten.com
Please feel free to email me if you are in doubt or have any further question.
Please readers, excuse my ragged English, it's not my mother language and I've learned it from Internet at the age of 19.
:firedevil:
*sigh*
wonder where this is gonna go :roll:
I'm finding it difficult to resist debunking the debunker...
Debunker, you will not 'convert' any people here. Plenty here are already christians or have made up their mind. Go and spread your dogma elsewhere.
Whats the point of this?
:roll:
Why don't we have an emoticon with a BIG YAWN?!?!
Kerri
that would be perfect!
:boredom:
there it is!
Thanks Moogle!!!
:boredom:
QuoteJesus didn't came here for any vacation. He came here for a very Sirius and important Issue.
Yea, verily. No, it wasn't
any vacation ... it was Vegas, baby!
Yeah, I remember back when me and Sirius and Jesus were all chillin' by the pool and this spunky little waitress comes up, you know, with those cocktail drinks with the little umbrellas in them, and she's all like, "Oh my
God, are you Jesus? Could you totally walk on the pool? Oh man, I would so totally love to see that.
God."
Well, Jesus is a little shaky on the wave pools these days ... I mean, it's not like he practices every day anymore. He's got plenty of people keeping him alive, know what I'm saying? So anyway, I'm all nudging Sirius, thinking this is going to be good.
But Sirius, he's a good guy. He looks up at this waitress, shaking his hands, "No, no. This is Joe Christ. He doesn't do levitation or none of that. Cards only."
Those Vegas girls, they think they've seen every card trick God ever invented, so she just kinda shrugs and walks off. High-five between Sirius and Jesus.
Good times.
I just cant bring myself to worship a carpenter.
If god wants believers then why not prove its existence? Thats all it would take. Is that too much to ask? Its not like god wouldnt have expected us to get to a point where we leaned more on evidence then 2000+ year old writings. COME BACK NOW WHEN WE HAVE DVD TO RECORD IT ON!.
Im pretty much undecided on everything but this seems like a really simple solution.. The balls in gods side of the court, not mine, when it makes its move, then ill make mine :wink:. Hmm, I cant help but think that religion is the worlds prevailing mental illness... Maybe scientists will find out its caused by a virus or something...
>RooJ
So many lost souls out there such as Debunker.
GO EVOLUTION!
Hi Debunker
Unusual name wonder why you chose that.....anyway. Regarding your post I had a few comments. First of all I want to let you know that in my opinion you have your right to believe as you do. You seem quite sure of your interpretations and it seems obvious that you have the whole deal sewn up in a nice little "black and white" package, with you being white that is, and anyone who questions you being black. I say only it seems as it could be that I am wrong.
Let that be as it is it is your faith and I guess in the name of free speech you should have at least our tolerance of your barging in here and climbing on the soapbox, you are still young and why not, in my years on this forum I have heard "stupider stuff" and have been preached at and put down by even more rabid preachers than you. So all in all I am not hurtin'. What I am though, is really sad and also somewhat irritated, that someone professing to be a Christian shows so little concern and empathy or politeness.
For your information this list is not frequented by a horde of priests of Baal that you the "righteous prophet" can come and lay into, neither is it comprised of ignorant blunderbusses or drooling teenagers with one hand on the keyboard and the other on a x box who you can condescendingly convert with your "wonderful message of love".
In reality this board is stuffed to the brim with people who seek the truth and who are willing to pay the price for it. People who have broken the mold and continue to do so. Not only are they pretty decent folks but they are also very very brave and kind. Many of us have faced spiritual/astral enigmas, been near drowned in fears and various other negative emotions yet they still hang in.....searching. Like myself many have not asked for these dubious gifts of being able to access the spirit world, neither have they opened themselves to demons, something which seems to conveniently fit into most evangelicals belief system. For reasons unknown to us, our understanding of life destiny or God power or whatever you choose to call it, have changed and we are all on a journey not knowing where we are going. We are going along by faith alone and it is my firm belief that God will honor that, just like he did in Heb 11. Many people of God have done this before, and it appears that he honors people following after truth.
The Churches and the people in them really sicken most of us, not because of their belief but because of their hypocritical application of their belief. Their feigned words full of lofty eloquent promises, clouds of the sky carried about with the wind but with no rain, having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof, full of themselves and their own self importance.
I do not wish to offend you and apologize if I do, I imagine you are young and still quite idealistic about your faith. If you ever want to win anyone to Christ as you seem to want to, I would suggest that you read 1 Corinthians 13 and strive to live it. I can only say that I am very sympathetic toward your zeal but find it also quite misplaced and obnoxious.
I hope that you will not take this hard, and if you would like to talk about it you can write me at mustardseed@svfreespirit.dk and I shall be glad to explain further in detail
Kind regards Mustardseed
Quote from: mactombsYea, verily. No, it wasn't any vacation ... it was Vegas, baby!
Yeah, I remember back when me and Sirius and Jesus were all chillin' by the pool and this spunky little waitress comes up, you know, with those cocktail drinks with the little umbrellas in them, and she's all like, "Oh my God, are you Jesus? Could you totally walk on the pool? Oh man, I would so totally love to see that. God."
Well, Jesus is a little shaky on the wave pools these days ... I mean, it's not like he practices every day anymore. He's got plenty of people keeping him alive, know what I'm saying? So anyway, I'm all nudging Sirius, thinking this is going to be good.
But Sirius, he's a good guy. He looks up at this waitress, shaking his hands, "No, no. This is Joe Christ. He doesn't do levitation or none of that. Cards only."
Those Vegas girls, they think they've seen every card trick God ever invented, so she just kinda shrugs and walks off. High-five between Sirius and Jesus.
Good times.
mactombs
:applause:
That's too good for these boards - have you ever considered being a writer? :wink:
Sarah
What annoys me about a great number of Christians is their belief that Jesus and his followers and their religion really took the whole world by storm! :roll:
QuoteSuddenly something happened, something which changed our belief system, behave, tradition and lifestyle.
History just doesn't bear that out. Christianity had a pretty bloody hard time taking root, and from the very beginning, it was constantly changing, depending on who adopted it. In fact, if Emperor Constantine hadn't had his vision of the cross, and subsequently used it for his worldly advantage, Christianity most likely would not have been the success it has been, and might well have died out before the 1st millennium was half over. And even after it did spread far and wide, it was always changed and adapted by the various peoples who adopted it--not so much the other way around.
QuoteHe came here for a very Sirius and important Issue
This reminds me of a "You know you've read too much
Harry Potter if..." joke. :lol:
Don't know that joke...... :lol: do tell .....if what?
...if you spell "serious" like "Sirius." :lol:
Hehe! I got it, but I'm sure only because I love Harry Potter. :grin:
Ha......finally I got it.
DEBUNKER_
I AM SATAN'S LOVE SLAVE!
WORSHIP THE TRUE MASTER THAT IS SATAN.
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um, quite... is that enough?
Doug
So which one was that Gandalf the grey or the white....shssss....so immature Doug :cool:
:locolaugh: But funny. :demon:
:inquisition:
A Conversation between Tarzan and Jesus
Taken from : Another Roadside Attraction by Tom Robbins
TARZAN: "In the old days folks were more concrete. I mean they didn't have much truck with abstractions and spiritualism. They knew that when a body decomposed it made the crops grow. They could see with their own eyes that manure helped the plants along too. And they didn't need Adele Davis to figure out that eating plants helped them grow and sustained their own lives. So they picked up that there were connective links between blood and excrement and vegetation. Between animal and vegetable and man. When they sacrificed an animal to the corn crop, it was a concession to the obvious relation between death and fertility. What could be less mystical. Sure it was hoked up with ceremony but a little show biz is good for anyones moral. We were linked to vegetation. Nothing in the vegetable world succumbs. It simply drops away and then returns, energy is never destroyed. We planted out dead the way we planted our seeds. After a period of rest the energy of corpse or seed returned in one form or another. From death came more life. We loved the earth because of the joy and good times and peace of mind to be had in loving it. We didn't have to be saved from it. We never plotted escapes to heaven. We weren't afraid of death because we adhered to nature and it cycles... The point is we had a unified outlook on life. We even figured out how the sun and moon and stars fit into the process. We didn't draw distinctions between the procreative cycles of seeds and the procreative cycles of animals. We observed that growth and change were essential to everything in life, and since we dug life when it came time to satisfy our inner needs we naturally enough based out religion on the transformations of nature. We were direct about it. We went to the source..."
Jesus kicked a pebble with the worn toe of his sandal "I've heard of the phallic and vegetation cults. Not very sophisticated. My father expects more of man than a primitive adoration of carnal nature. He must rise above..."
"Rise to what Jesus? To abstractions? And alienation? Your scroll there, your book of Genesis says that in the beginning was the word. The simplest savage could see that in the beginning was the orgasm. Life is produced from life. While resurrection- the regeneration of seeds, the return of the spring leaves that fell in the autumn is of matter not spirit. Unsophisticated? Maybe it's unsophisticated to venerate mountains and regard rivers and sacred but as long as man thinks of his natural environment as hold then the going to respect it and not foul it up. We pagans have always sensed that mans roots were inorganic. Thats why we had respect even for stones."
"But you hadn't been saved..."
"Didn't need to be. Wasn't of any use to us."
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Dear reader. It is time to wake up and realize there is difference between being a Christian and true Christ follower.
The differences is not little either, but rather Huge!
For about more then 2000 years ago we all were heathen, we worshiped different idols like Sun, Eagles, bulls, and all kind of so called "gods". Suddenly something happened, something which changed our belief system, behave, tradition and lifestyle.
We no longer worshiped any Idols but found a person who made known for us the True Living God. This man shocked all the world with his enormous powerful words. That man was a trouble for many kings and kingdoms also. He was later declared to be Jesus the Christ Son Of True Living God. That man was huge enough to rock this world out of its place with his teaching and miracles.
None, NOT a single person have done what he have done until today (2005). Miracle after miracle was witnessed bye his followers and his enemy. And none could deny what they saw with their own eyes. That person didn't leave us empty handed, but rather left us with three wonderful gift. The three gifts were Word of God, The Holy Ghost, and Grace of God. The Word Of God is Himself, which we read about in the Bible New Testament now days.
The Holy Ghost is our teacher, and comforter in replacement of Jesus on earth, but now with the advantage of being inside of every person.
And the Last gift but not less, The Grace of God, which save us through faith in him alone.
But he also promised us one thing before he Left. That he will come back very soon....soon?
2000 years is many years for us human people. But its only 2 days for God. generation after generation beard Word of God in their heart and kept it.
We were loyal and obedient to Word Of God. But life with Christ was also meant to deny our self and follow him until last day. His enemies envy couldn't bear that. Persecution after persecution followed us as well. But that was not unexpected. Our Lord worn us about that. Persecution was not only to target the flesh, but also our spirit. Luxury, money and lust of this world was another way to choke our faith with. Times goes like running water and year after year we feel our self drowsy and slumbering to fall in sleep. Some fell in the deep sleep and waked up later with the help of their faithfully brethren, but the most unfortunately did choose to never wake up again. Their opportunity of welcoming Jesus return will be lost.
Who are those who slept and still sleep, so they will miss Jesus return?
Let me tell you something. It can very easily be You who are reading this right now, but you feel yourself very awaken right now?
Those who slept are those who no longer remember the Words of God. Who no longer follow Jesus Christ as his ancestor did. Who no longer find Jesus word to be important any longer. 2000 years is alot of years. He is suddenly "out of date".
Dear reader. Jesus didn't came here for any vacation. He came here for a very Sirius and important Issue. It was to shout out following message to you:
"Listen to me my dears, I'm here to worn you of what will come to happened to you because of your sins which will condemn you down to hell, I'm here to worn you of the devil who is invisible to your eyes but working as a roaring lion to devour you. I want to tell you how much I love you and want you to be saved from that. Believe me and follow me!. I will do my best to save you. Even if it will cost my life and blood to be shed down on earth. I will do it!" and ITS DONE.
My email is: debunker@epunkten.com
Please feel free to email me if you are in doubt or have any further question.
Please readers, excuse my ragged English, it's not my mother language and I've learned it from Internet at the age of 19.
_________________
Still much to debunk.
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Debunker, stop making new accounts and stick with the debunker nic..we know it's you....your email gave you away... :roll:
Hi Nay
I'd say my whole profile gives it away.
That wasn't easy for me. It woke me up, posting requred much pre painstaking consentration and faith, remaining silent alone has been difficult, I really know not what I do here, should the wire have been red or blue? you know?
And Saruman that was a really silly thing to do. And I think you regret it.
And just from doing that I feel better. My mind can be so symbolic.
Anyone spot the London Whale?
Who's up for subscribing his email to spam?... Just kidding! :twisted:
Red, blue, yellow, white...I don't care. I care that you have more than one nic and that is against the forum rules. Use one or the other.
Please tell me you aren't one of those people whom can't stand authority and are going to do anything in your power to make things worse?
Sorry, Can someone please tell me how the hell that post has to do with anything Astral?
Your seriously preaching to the wrong choir mate....
Nobody wants to hear about god...
Did you not see the section titled
"Welcome to World Religions!"
Go post your gibberish in there please...
Not in "Welcome to Astral Chat!"
Religious gibberish should stay in the religion section,
Me, And everyone else I know comes on this forum to read and talk about ASTRAL not god...
Is there any Mods or something out there that can move it or something??? It realy should be in the religion part...
Ayain tha apaia Ja'ain kan GOD!!! Shaia tha Ja paina quriath dai'an...
:lol: :roll: :twisted: :wink:
{edit} The above words are not writen in a language from earth... Any similarities are purely coincidental...
-AstralBorn
Good point, AstralBorn. I'm not sure if fire and brimstone preaching belongs anywhere, but...your wish is my command.
Thank you Nay...
-AstralBorn
Interesting. there was no record of Jesus Christ unti, about 170 AD, and several catholic papers including a pope stated that jesus was a myth. Did you also know that the New Testament is based on astrology?
The Christ Conspiracy - you should read it, great book, it actually proves that Jesus never was a real man, but just an invented headfigure, like all Pagan Gods.
Quote from: NickJWInteresting. there was no record of Jesus Christ unti, about 170 AD, and several catholic papers including a pope stated that jesus was a myth. Did you also know that the New Testament is based on astrology?
The Christ Conspiracy - you should read it, great book, it actually proves that Jesus never was a real man, but just an invented headfigure, like all Pagan Gods.
Lol I've never heard of that one before. How does it 'prove' it?
And Saruman that was a really silly thing to do. And I think you regret it.
Well, for a start my user name is *Gandalf*, not Saruman, and no i don't regret it actually. Of course, Mustardseed says it's immature. I say, take a chill pill and learn to love the inner child. I'm just poking fun at the whacked-out concept of satan and how some people take it so seriously. Here's a thing to try sometime: imagine for a moment that there is no such person as satan. Feels quite refreshing doesn't it? Feel free to try this thought experiment again. You may get to like it, then again maybe not, your choice, each to their own I guess.
Doug
Becasue the book takes excerpts from several catholic texts, which admit to the New Testament being a forgery and Jesus a myth, in fact one of the popes (can't remeber which one) stated that Jesus was a fable. It also explains how the New Testament is a metaphor based on astrology. If you want to learn more just read the book, its called The Christ Conspiracy
Gods, Saviors, Kings: across the world and across time
- Horus of Egypt 3,000 B.C was: the son of a fatherly God, known as the savior; born of a virgin; star indicated his birth, was child teacher in the temple, and was baptized when he was 30 years old by one who held a title The imerser; was called the way the truth and the life, also known as the good shepherd, the Lion and the Sacrificial Lamb was associated with the Fish (Ichthys); had 12 followers; performed miracles and raised one man, El-Azar-us (Lazarus), from the dead; walked on water, was transfigured on the Mount, was called the KRST,or Anointed One, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
- Mithra 1375 B.C was: worshiped on Sun-day, birthday is december 25, was born in a stable, had 12 followers, religious symbol was/is a cross; whose priests were called fathers, preached a sermon of Blood shed to wash away sins of man by the savior; was known as the Redeemer, and the Savior; his sacred day was/is Sunday, the Lord's Day; who had a Last Supper with his 12, where he told them to Take this and eat it this is my Body & Blood; who died as a sacrifice, was placed in a tomb, only to be resurrected 3 days later. His resurrection was celebrated every year; His religion had a Eucharist or Lord's Supper, a small round peice of flat bread with his Sun-symbol (the cross) on it.
- Krishna 1200 B.C. was: born of the Virgin Devaki (Divine One) . His father was a carpenter. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh. He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants; was of royal descent; was baptized in the River Ganges. He worked miracles and wonders raising the dead and healing lepers, the deaf and the blind; used parables to teach the people about charity and love. He lived poor and he loved the poor. He was transfigured in front of his disciples; some traditions say he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves; rose from the dead and ascended to heaven. Is called the Shepherd God and Lord of lords,and was considered the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word. He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself to be the Resurrection and the way to the Father.
- Hercules 700 B.C. was: Born of a Human mother and Heavenly Father God, was of royal decent, went to The under- world and conquered death, was taken up into the sky to join his heavenly father and had a white pegasus horse.
- Zarathustra 628-551 B.C. was: Foretold by a star in the east, and sent by a Father God, 3 magi come and give him presents, is called the light of the world, was taken up to a mountain and tempted, by the prince of darkness has a halo of light around his head. Preached of the Resurection of the Dead and a final Day of Judgement [Zarathustra was really more of a Moses, but then again Moses shared similar characteristics with the Jesus story also.]
- Buddha 500 B.C Who was: born of the virgin Mara who was considered the Queen of Heaven. He was of royal descent. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes and walked on water; was a sower of the word and preached ;the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness. He taught, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. Was transfigured on a mount; crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected, ascending to Nirvana or heaven. Was considered the Good Shepherd, "the Infinite and Everlasting," Savior of the World and the; Light of the World.
[Although most people think of Buddha as being one person, the character commonly portrayed as Buddha can also be demonstrated to be a compilation of godmen, legends and sayings of various holy men both preceding and succeeding the period attributed to the Buddha. *Sakya Buddha was crucified in a sin-atonement.]
Never realized there were more than one Buddha :roll:
QuoteAlthough most people [*Special Note- "Most" does not include AstralBorn] think of Buddha as being one person...
There. You happy now?
"""- Buddha 500 B.C Who was: born of the virgin Mara who was considered the Queen of Heaven. He was of royal descent. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a small basket of cakes and walked on water; was a sower of the word and preached ;the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness. He taught, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all. Was transfigured on a mount; crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected, ascending to Nirvana or heaven. Was considered the Good Shepherd, "the Infinite and Everlasting," Savior of the World and the; Light of the World. """
Buddha is not that old...
Buddha's mother was not a virgin...
Buddha did not feed 500 men from a small basket of ?cakes?
Buddha did not walk on water
Buddha did NONE of that...
I think you are talking about JESUS!!! because other than "500 B.C"
That is all pretty much a discription of Jesus...
Gray or White
Everyone forgot about
Imaginary Light =
All you had to do was trust me as I trusted you.
i'm serious, I am not here to quarrle I'm not trying to debase anyone witness and record, Full stop.
Well, thanks to Leyla, I'm quite satisfyed in knowing that Debunker's religion has been debunked. Jesus's twelve followers also represent the twelve months and the twelve astrological signs.
I also forgot, there was a bishop who left the church in the middle ages after reading several Catholic papers. He thought people would not be stupid enough to ever believe in the New Testament. Boy did he underestimate the stupidity of the fundamentalist.
Buddha is not that old...
Astralborn_
Once again, you have made a historical statement without any basis in fact.
Actually Buddha or to be exact 'Buddhism' DOES originate around 500bc and like the story of jesus, probably emerges out of a mixed bag of universal mythology and some historical reality albeit on a distorted scale.
The religion split around 300-200 bce to form a second branch of buddhism which is popular in china, japan and tibet, with the later developing into its own unique brand.
As for the rest of the 'miracles', the reason they are so similar to jesus' ones is not very suprising for any student of mythology, as all these features are common elements of universal mythology (cf Leyla's post). Once you actually open your eyes to world myth, it is much easier to see jesus, buddha etc in proper perspective and I find it impossible to ever accept that somehow the miracles and divine events of jesus or buddha, heracles or anybody else were the 'true' story... that kind of thinking I leave to the believers of those particlular religions... at the end of the day faith cannot be reasoned with. Some people will accept it and others won't and that's that.
Doug
...
Well, I took classes with a Buddhist monk. I eventually had to stop because he kept pressuring me to convert. (Which I was not interested in doing.)
QuoteAstralBorn:
Buddha is not that old...
Buddha's mother was not a virgin...
Buddha did not feed 500 men from a small basket of ?cakes?
Buddha did not walk on water
Buddha did NONE of that...
I think you are talking about JESUS!!!
Buddah's birthday is said to be exactly April 8th c. 563 BCE.
Buddah was concieved without human sexual inercourse. Queen Maya became pregnant with the intervention of the Tusita spirit not unlike the visitation of the holy spirit.
Saint Jerome (4th century CE) mentions the birth of the Buddha, who he says "was born from the side of a virgin". Also a fragment of Archelaos of Carrha (278 CE) mentions the Buddha's virgin-birth.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/LeylaLeFay/buddahenteringside.jpg)
A stone carving of the miraculous conception of Buddah, entering through the side of sleeping Maya in the form of a white elephant with angel in attendance.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v394/LeylaLeFay/annunciation2.jpg)
Now compair to depiction of the miraculous conception Christ entering into Mary in the form of a white Dove with Angel in attendance. Celestial spirits (angels) gathered to pay respect to the child Buddah. Astrologers (Magi, Wise Men) predicted that child become the Conqueror of the World or the Teacher of the Universe.
When ever Buddah travled through the desert with one of his disciples Sivali, food would miraculously appear in abundance, He and his 500 monks were in an uninhabited forest for seven days, but they were not short of food because they were supplied by Devas (angelic spirits). He once fed 30,000 followers in the wilderness.
(Biblical writers had Jesus top this feat by feeding 40,000 of his followers.)(Compair the following story to the Jesus and Peter walking on water in Matthew 14: 25-31 It's copied nearly word for word.)
"When the world-honored Buddha had left Savatthi Sariputta felt a desire to see the Lord and to hear him preach. Coming to the river where the water was deep and the current strong, he said to himself: "This stream shall not prevent me. I shall go and see the Blessed One, and he stepped upon the water which was as firm under his feet as a slab of granite. When he arrived at a place in the middle of the stream where the waves were high, Sariputta's heart gave way, and he began to sink. But rousing his faith and renewing his mental effort, he proceeded as before and reached the other bank. The people of the village were astonished to see Sariputta, and they asked how he could cross the stream where there was neither a bridge nor a ferry. Sariputta replied: "I lived in ignorance until I heard the voice of the Buddha. "QuoteShinobi: Can I ask for your source on this material? Lots of things are taught about the life of the Buddha, but I've never heard of a crucifixion, three days in hell, or resurrection, let alone 'ascending to nirvana'. The last I heard, he ate a poison mushroom or truffle, then passed into paranirvana in the company of his monks.
A Buddhist hymn that might as well be a Christian one:
"Persecutions without end, revellings and many prisons, death and murder, these has thou suffered with love and patience, to secure the happiness of mankind, forgiving thine executioners"
As a spirit in the fourth heaven, he resolves to give up "all the glory, in order to be born into the world," "to rescue all men from their misery and every future consequence of it." He vows "to deliver all men, who are left as it were without a Savior"
Concerning the "crucifixion" of Buddha, as related in a Buddhist text dating to the first century BCE (Samghabhedavastu/Mahâparinirvâna sûtra), Ken Humphreys states:
"In this story of 'Gautama Buddha, a holy man' Buddha is wrongfully condemned to die on the cross. He is impaled on a cross, and his mentor Krishna Dvapayana visits him and enters into a long dialogue, at the end of which Gautama Buddha dies at the place of skulls
*Golgotha/Calvary where Jesus was crucified is also the "place of skulls.
(Compair this next story to the one in the Bible, where Jesus goes to hell, suffers, confronts the Devil, and thereby frees the other souls trapped there. You will see, Buddha did it first.)
-Told by Master Thich Nhat Hanh
The Buddha, in one of his former lives, was in Hell...When he saw a guard beating his fellow inmate, he he could not stand it anymore. He turned around, and he faced the guard without any heart, and said, "Why don't you leave him alone for a moment? Why do you keep beating him and pushing him like that? Don't you have a heart?"
That was what he said, this man who was to be the Buddha. When the guard saw him protesting like that, and heard him, he was very angry, and he used his fork, and he planted it right in the chest of the Buddha. As a result, the Buddha died right away, and he was reborn the very same minute into the body of a human being. He escaped Hell, and became a human being living on earth, just because compassion was born in him, strong enough for him to have the courage to intervene to help his fellow man in Hell.
The other fellow saw the Buddha die. He was angry, and for the first time he was touched by compassion: the other person must have had some love, some compassion to have the courage to intervene for his sake.
That gave rise to some compassion in him also.That is why he looked at the guard, and he said, "My friend was right, you don't have a heart. You can only create suffering for yourself and for other people. I don't think that you are a happy person. You have killed him." And after he said that, the guard was also very angry at him, and he used his fork, and planted the fork in the stomach of the second man, who also died right away, and was reborn as a human being on earth.
Both of them escaped Hell, and had a chance to begin anew on earth, as full human beings. Buddha also ascended to heaven twice.
Having attained enlightenment, Buddha decided to ascend to the Trayatrimsa heaven, to visit his mother, Maya, Queen of Heaven. With three strides Buddha reached the heaven, where he preached before the divine congregation, including his mother, for several months.
When the inhabitants of the earth fervently supplicated him to return, Buddha coasted back downwards. Returning to earth he traveled great distances to preach his teachings of peace and love and compassion.
Then, deciding to sacrifice himself Buddha willingly ate the poison and he laid down to die in front of a tree and entered 'Parinirvana' the 'final' or 'highest' nirvana.
thank you leyla for the info.
The important point here, is what they all taught.
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Buddhism came out of Hinduism, so there is a grey area where the two blur together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha When asked what religion they are, many people from India will tell you they are BOTH Hindu and Buddhist.
My teacher was a Vietnamese Mahayana Buddhist, he taught large groups in a classroom, and also performed conversion ceremonies. I took classes on and off for a year.
Wait which buddha are we talking about here.... wasn't there many? oh well im lost either way :D
Shinobi:
Quote- Jesus' descent into hell isn't something directly related in the bible. In truth, I'm not sure where that story came from, but it's old, as seen in the Apostle's Creed.
Edited for accuracy after some looking back:
There are biblical, apocryphal and gnostic accounts for this:
1 Peter 3:18
Ephesians 4:9
Apocalypse of Peter (apocryphal)
Coptic Apocalypse of Peter (gnostic) he gives a very greek description of hell here. It's not my favorite gnostic work.
Quote from: NickJWInteresting. there was no record of Jesus Christ unti, about 170 AD, and several catholic papers including a pope stated that jesus was a myth. Did you also know that the New Testament is based on astrology?
The Christ Conspiracy - you should read it, great book, it actually proves that Jesus never was a real man, but just an invented headfigure, like all Pagan Gods.
Actually, the Gospel of Thomas was written around 90 CE. Portions of it are still around, and historical context places it pretty accurately. There are many theories about what the New Testament is based on, but the most respected one among bible historians is that it was a Midrashic comment based on some history and some mythology.
Also, Josephus, a Roman historian contemporary of Herod Jr. and Pontius Pilate, mentions Jesus in Antiquities of the Jews.
I've read that some believe Jesus was a reincarnated Buddha, until he was baptized by John the Baptist, which is when the Buddha left and the Christ entered. It was done like this because the Christ could only live in a human body for no more than about three years (within the time of the crucifixion.) Jesus seems like a different person after the baptism in the gospels.
(how's that for bringing 2 opposing religions together?)
Quote from: StookieI've read that some believe Jesus was a reincarnated Buddha, until he was baptized by John the Baptist, which is when the Buddha left and the Christ entered. It was done like this because the Christ could only live in a human body for no more than about three years (within the time of the crucifixion.) Jesus seems like a different person after the baptism in the gospels.
(how's that for bringing 2 opposing religions together?)
Even though the religions as they are now are vastly different, I think (personally) that the ideas that both figures started with were very similar.
1-The world is temporal, therefore not real
2-Know yourself to overcome the world.
I would say the main difference was in the belief in an afterlife- it was a given in Jesus' time (in the form of transmigration or permanence of Spirit)
Gautama, or Buddha, however, at least in some types of Buddhism, negates the existence of the Atman. (Even though Mahayana Buddhism does believe in the Atman) But reincarnation and transmigration are very similar ideas, and were what was believed in the times.
The ideas of heaven and hell as afterlife destinations (or eschatological destinations) modern christianity accepts/enforces came from the greek hades/elysian fields ideas they borrowed from the greeks, and the developement of both religions have drifted them apart due to historical trends and the populations that believe in them. But both were founded by Mystics with similar ideas.
IMHO, of course.
Hell, I've heard that all these "risen saviors" are actually the same guy, who reincarnates into every culture so he can live among the people and give his teaching.
As a pagan, however, I recognize that all primitive farming people were very close to the earth. Th original virgin mother. Mother earth. And her son, who has sprung from her womb: the crop.
To these people, a drought, a flood, or a blight, could mean death for the entire community. They were dependent on the harvest. You can see how this had a powerful effect on religion. Life hung in the balance.
The crop, is cut down and killed in his prime. He dies so that we might live. He is sacrificed.
Both bread and alcohol are made from grain.
"Take of this bread and eat, it is my body. Drink of this wine for it is my blood."
*This ritual was performed by pagans all over the earth long before it was adopted as the catholic mass.
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This crop god, john barley corn, jack of the green, the green man, still peeks out at you carved into the walls of the oldest churches in England.
He dies. He is buried. And all the people wait.... They watch the ground with hope and fear. Will he be ressurected??? Will we be saved??? They pray for spring. (Easter)
YES! IT'S A MIRACLE! HE HAS RISEN!
Because...he is a seed.
This explains how he can be his own father. He and the father are one.
Very interesting. You know, I'm starting to like you Leyla :grin:
QuoteHell, I've heard that all these "risen saviors" are actually the same guy, who reincarnates into every culture so he can live among the people and give his teaching.
From KRS-One's song "Ah Yeah"
This is not the first time I came to the planet
But everytime I come, only a few could understand it
I came as Isis, my words they tried to ban it
I came as Moses, they couldn't follow my commandments
I came as Solomon, to a people that was lost
I came as Jesus, but they nailed me to a cross
I came as Harriet Tubman, I put the truth to Sojourner
Other times, I had to come as Nat Turner
They tried to burn me, lynch me and starve me
So I had to come back as Marcus Garvey, Bob Marley
They tried to harm me, I used to be Malcolm X
Now I'm on the planet as the one called KRS