a Creater Exist BUT...........

[karnautrahl]

My friend. Just like religion ITS A WIDELY BASED OPINION ( murder, child rape , etc.) you are so bound by your morals that you cannot see this.

You are so bound by your idea that you are free thinker that in actual fact you appear to me to be anything but. Those ideas mentioned are as evil as mankind gets along with numerous other things that we as a race can be capable of. I'd rather be bound by a few basic morals than to be so "free" that anything in the world could be shown to be not evil.
My personal morals are as simple as I can be, abuse of another individuals rights or life is wrong, taken too far becomes evil. That sort of somes up the main thrust of my morality, along with trying to treat others the way I want to be treated when I can

thief was looked down upon by those who "got there sutff stolen",
same with child rape. so you were taught to hate such things , as when i was 14 years old i found out that most of the right/wrong was an opinion. then i learned that humans ( you and i ) change right/wrong as we grow and evolve. so how is right/wrong a fact?? if it keeps changing??

Often some things that were considered immoral do change over time this is true. Racism, homophobia, various other forms of prejudice get challenged and eventually shown to be wrong. This is part of humanity growing up, not an evidence of relative morality. I believe there is a reason that many thing are widely believed to be wrong, and yes I state the word belief in this. In many things you can draw a woolly cloud of reasoning and say it's opinion only. When however you challenge things that are clearly deeply wrong and yes I say evil and claim it is only an opinion, there is something deeply wrong about that statement. Perhaps I do not have the ability right now to apply any more "logic" and "prove" you more wrong than this, however you would be wrong to base so much of your ideas on purely such an attempt at logical dissection. You are totally ignoring the heart, the spirit, the feeling behind the concepts of good and evil.

you seem to have gotten angry about the "so raping a child is an opinion of choice" . this proves that you have been brainwashed into thinking a certain way , and you call yourself a sentient being HA .

I was taught by my peers that homosexuality was wrong, dirty and many other things. I was taught that to be a non christian was a bad thing to a degree. I was taught other things, however my own intelligence soon told me what was worth keeping and what was worth rejecting. That is an act of sentience. That is also not the act of a being being brainwashed. As it happens I learnt whilst still in my early teens that not only was I not heterosexual but I was also very widely ranging in personal sexual tastes, something I had to teach myself to deal with as an adult, not as an ignorant brainwashed adult either.
Once again you have decided that I am definitly someone who only thinks the way I've been taught. You cannot be more wrong.  Intelligence is in part learning to decide when you are being taught well, and when you are not; what to eventually reject or modify, and what to ignore completely. Deciding to keep something that I was in part taught is not a sign of being bound, but a sign of a particular decision still seeming to be right to me. It's a choice on my part even though that choice is very deep.

still i have no proof that a "creator" or even humans are bound by space/time. like ive said time/space is only a calculation whos to say it is the only one?? i admit i have tried to use theory as fact in this topic, and i apologize . unless someone has found another way besides time/space "math" i will stick by my posts

I cannot stick by my posts if something I have said in the past is shown to be definitly wrong. I am prepared to re-examine my points of view if new information presents itself that is more solid requires a change on my part.
As for using theory as fact, I'm sure I've been guilty of this more than once
I think if we wish to hash this out any further, it might be better in pm LOL as this thread is likely to become tiring now.

[karnautrahl]

[Edit] Stupid thing delayed for ages and posted this twice. No-one needs 2 copies of one of my posts!! LMAO!

[mickeydeez]

Well im am glad that you have admitted the fact that good/evil is more of an opinion, less from fact. Still even after your wonderful posts my mind set hasent changed one bit. i believe that it is humanities nature to (rape steal etc.) and yet we defy this. i wonder why. could anyone send me some feedback??

hmm im sorry if ive offened anyone personally , just thought id put my point across. MAY THIS TOPIC STAY ALIVE 4EVER

[clandestino]

i believe that it is humanities nature to (rape steal etc.) and yet we defy this. i wonder why. could anyone send me some feedback??

I think that you are making a valid point, however the way you phrase it, makes it sound as if these things are acceptable ! Rape, Theft, etc....are crimes that incur consequences. It is in mankind's nature to punish criminals, in order to protect the greater wellbeing.

There are many dark aspects to the human mind, this is undeniable. We can progress spiritually by conquering these darker aspects.....completely minimising their presence within our minds, until they have completely disappeared. If we were to embrace them, we would simply revert to being animals.

[mickeydeez]

Hi clandestino,

while i agree with you i believe that most of our impulses are animalistic such as (lust to mate with the opposite sex). so our mind is only a small factor in the seperation of humanity against animal..

[karnautrahl]

one question mickeydeez

why do you like to eat at mac donalds?
As there is a whole essay of rant in potential if I go any further I wont . I'm curious however!

I wouldn't be too quick to seperate us from animals in terms of spirit. You only have to spend time with some animals when working with healing and other spiritual work to know that they are perhaps in some ways more spiritual than we are. Though I don't assume that you think they are not of course

[mickeydeez]

lol um i like to eat at mac donalds because there food is fatty and yummy ^_^

[karnautrahl]

LOL Yuk Yuk .

[mickeydeez]

ok im back