Is God the Author of these verses?

[Alan McDougall]

Please biblical Scholars explain these verses in light of a loving God

Most of the Bible is said to be God-breathed word of God. Tragically however, many humans were responsible for its authorship and it is obvious that some things attributed to God as His will could not possibly come from God for they in no manner reflect the love of God but rather the type of laws, rules, admonitions, decrees, demands, or orders which would have been inspired by Satan.

Therefore it is essential that people learn to detect those verses and passages which are neither God-breathed nor God-inspired.

Following are a few examples of passages which are obviously not the actual will of God:

EXODUS 21:17: and again in LEVITICUS 21:9 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death."

If God actually wanted us to kill every child who in the throws of growing up, cursed or talked back to his or her parent then the population of our world would be significantly smaller than it is today, and that is not God's answer to our current overpopulation problem.

EXODUS 21:20-21: "And if a man beats his servant or his maidservant with a rod...(and he or she)...remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he (or she) is his property.

Does anyone actually believe that employees have ever been personal property in God's eyes and that killing one is ok because they are nothing more than a piece of property?

EXODUS 22:19 and also in LEVITICUS 20:15-16 "Whoever lies with a beast shall surely be put to death."

If every farm boy who had had a calf, a goat or a sheep as his first girlfriend, was put to death, then we probably wouldn't have enough farmers left to feed the hungry. God never said that.

EXODUS 31:15 "Whoever does ANY work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

How could anyone who knows the love of God believe that God would have anyone who did any honest work on Sunday, killed?

LEVITICUS 20:10 "The adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death".

Surely, if throughout history every adulterer and adulteress who had ever lived had been put to death it would have depopulated much of the planet. That is not to say that adultery is not a sin before God, but He has never been so bloodthirsty that He demanded death for the average sinner.

LEVITICUS 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman...they shall surely be put to death."

God never said that He would have His children killed who happened to have been born with a God-given genetic heritage which made them prefer members of their same sex as partners. If this were true we would not have been blessed with the world's greatest works of art dedicated to God and His Glory.

LEVITICUS 20:27 "A man or a woman who is a medium...shall surely be put to death."

God has blessed many men and woman with remarkable spiritual and prophetic skills with which to divine the future and help people. Why in the world would He have those people whom he has blessed as seers, killed?

LEVITICUS 24:16 "And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Wow, if everyone on earth who, in a momentary fit of anger, used a blasphemous word, was put to death by their congregation, our churches would be mostly empty. Surely this is not the law of a loving and forgiving God!!!

LEVITICUS 25:45-46 "Moreover you may buy the children of strangers...and they shall become your property. And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves."

This Satanic verse has caused great human misery and injustice for thousands of years. God never said this!!!

LEVITICUS 26:29 "You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters"

If these aren't the words of the devil then nothing is!!!

LEVITICUS 27:5 "Your valuation of a (human) male shall be twenty shekels, and for a female ten shekels."

God created both male and female to be equals. He never said that women were only worth half as much as men.

NUMBERS 15:32-36 "...they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day...Then the Lord said to Moses, 'The man must surely be put to death"...So as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died."

God would have said "Thou shall not kill". It was obviously Satan who told Moses to kill the poor stick gatherer.

NUMBERS 31:15-18 "And Moses said to them: 'Have you kept all the women alive?...Now therefore kill every male among the little ones; and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls...'

This is 'genocide' and 'ethnic cleansing' at its worst—obviously it was Satan who was misleading Moses—certainly not a loving and forgiving God.

These are the just a few of the verses from only three books of the Bible in which men of God were tricked by Satan into believing that they were writing down or doing God's will.

[Starvingpercussionist]

That's interesting, Alan. I've known that Christiantity is a farce for some time, but never heard of any of this. Thanks. 

[Vitruvian]

Happy to help out, Alan -
This . . .

Most of the Bible is said to be God-breathed word of God

is incorrect. In general the books in the bible are considered to be 'divinly inspired', not 'the word of God'. Of course there are fundamentalists that might disagree with that statement, so as usual it's best to make up your own mind.

I don't believe, as Starvingpercussionist maintains, that Christianity is a farce. Certainly the types of passages you have chosen are not the type of thing we would expect a loving God to promulgate. Nor does S/He. If you are looking for dirt, well, you're not the first, and you did a good job.  But if you are looking for any truth in the books of the bible, look to Christ himself - his words, sparse as they are recorded - and his actions. Please keep in mind that he is considered one of the worlds great teachers, and there is a reason for that. You do yourself a great disservice throwing the whole thing out because, for instance, a passage in Exodus doesn't meet with modern sensibilites.

If you find the bible itself distasteful, I would like to suggest this volume: The Second Coming of Christ, by Paramahansa Yogananda. Not a light read, and I haven't finished it myself yet. But it might give you a different insight.

Namaste,
Vitruvian
PS - make that 'Pax Vobiscum' 

[Starvingpercussionist]

Oh, I know Christ was a real master alright.  When I refer to Christianity I'm basically just referring to the manmade religion that's basis is believing that he died for you is the only way into heaven. The farce is in the Christian interpretation of what Christ actually said.

[Alan McDougall]

I accept Jesus as a divine being and the father God he spoke to as the real God. I have problems with the wrathful god yahweh of the Old Testament he/she. it simply can not be the same Loving father of Jesus.

Thank you guys for the links!! I will follow then all up when I get time

[Everlasting]

 What Christians and "jews" don't realize is  that they actually worship Satan. The god of this world.

[Tayesin]

Hi Alan,
I've often asked Christians if there are two gods because the god Jesus spoke of was loving while the god of the Jews is a vindictive, nasty little ego-maniac bent on blood-letting and the annihilation of any people's standing in the way of 'his' followers.

The quotes you provided are man made ideas stemming from the cultures they developed from where a Man is more valuable than a women... who is property to her husband, as were slaves etc. No one thought it wrong to do horrific things to their slaves because they were not usually seen as human beings.

Why would an omnipotent being be the slightest bit interested in what humans are doing on a tiny world on the edges of a non-descript Galaxy, and even more so, why would it think these little things.. out of all the beings within its creation.. were the most important things it created?

Perspective: Unbalanced Ego, the desire for power and control over the masses by controlling what they believed about the most important subject to humanity throughout history, are all definite indicators of the origin of such quotes as being man-made. Nothing new there, lol.

[Mustardseed]

Dear Alan
Very interesting questions you raise. I have been thinking about them a great deal for many years and have a suggestion, and a possible answer. Now before I write you what I think, please do not reply in a tirade or with harshness. I am not saying that I know these things, it is just a suggestion...ok!

The way I see it there are 2 possibilities, either God did not say it or God did. If he did not then man did and in that case I would agree with Taysin. If it was God then there has to be a explanation that makes sense.

A while ago Robert Bruce alleged that evil spirits are hindered in roaming our modern society because of water mains criscrossing the cities in countries all over the world. Keep that in mind, and use that as a foundation for this theory.

If we go way back, to the time of Enoch, it appears that the fallen angels spread across the land to infiltrate and seek dominance of the world. They had lots to "teach" the world lings, how to make war, weapons and drugs etc things that was not known to man. The Angels interbred with females and produces offspring, but these were easily identified as they were giants, standing some 12ft, and eventually were all killed off.  Their tactics changed and they used possession to gain influence and feed on human energy. The nations around the Hebrews were rampant with such demon worship, and an array of different Negs (demons) were worshiped, child sacrificing to the God Moloch was normal. The only nation that had not been defeated was the Hebrew nation, from where Jesus was to come.

Since the Negs (demons) could roam free over the countries, many tried to attach themselves to the Hebrews. The slaves were allready mostly from these nations anyway. Jesus had not come yet and there was no AUTHORITY by which to cleanse these people, (well there actually was but it was complicated and required lots of time and effort) so God told the Hebrews to kill anyone who showed signs of possession, or in war even babies and children. Was it a fight for humanity and to avoid a complete dominance of Negs on the PLANET? He had to keep the Hebrews pure for the purpose of the bloodline to Jesus.

Lets look at the verses in this light.

EXODUS 21:17: and again in LEVITICUS 21:9 "And he who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death."

The word used here is "Kawlal" it is a complicated word to translate as it can mean a few things. Generally is thought to mean to afflict, or to dispise. It appears that it has to do with not only words but some kind of action. Children are some of the best hiding places for Negs the perfect cloak if you will, but children are also very susceptible to possession, and it seems that they had a lot of contact with slaves even being wet nursed at times, and the violence or abject despising of his parents would be in that day a sign of a budding possession


EXODUS 21:20-21: "And if a man beats his servant or his maidservant with a rod...(and he or she)...remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he (or she) is his property.

One of the main ways that demons are exorcised is through pain. It seems that in possession the negs experience pain felt by their host. Today they use electroshocks, but in places like India they beat people or place them under heavy rocks that hurts just enough to make the neg leave without harming the host. This is TODAY Alan, what did they use then.

EXODUS 22:19 and also in LEVITICUS 20:15-16 "Whoever lies with a beast shall surely be put to death."

It is very likely that possession through contact of fluids and sexual interaction was the easiest way, for negs to gain ground. Neg possession of animals was another very good cloak. They were needed on the farm and no one wanted to kill them, as they had practical use and value.

EXODUS 31:15 "Whoever does ANY work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."

This was possibly as a test. The negs could not come near to the power of God and stayed away from congregations where Gods spirit was strong. They do not like the "light". During the Sabbath, Gods presence was stronger through rituals etc and the ones who had a neg attachment had to stay away to avoid cursing God, a common test for possession. Again a test for possession

LEVITICUS 20:10 "The adulterer and the adulteress, shall surely be put to death".

God had to protect the blood line and make sure that there was no interaction. Most of the adulterers did their thing in lust, again a test. It could have been a good way to keep Hebrews clean and pure, from infiltration.

LEVITICUS 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman...they shall surely be put to death."

Same answer as the 2 above. Those delving into strong lust, males with males or animals, could be afflicted. Were homosexuals possessed with "female negs" succubus, or incubus?

LEVITICUS 20:27 "A man or a woman who is a medium...shall surely be put to death."

Is this  talking about spiritual gifts, or are talking about Negs and possession, I think the latter

LEVITICUS 24:16 "And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him."

Obvious as well. Blasphemy was a sign of neg presence.

LEVITICUS 25:45-46 "Moreover you may buy the children of strangers...and they shall become your property. And you may take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them as a possession; they shall be your permanent slaves."

Slavery was seen as taking the people from the nations around, to bring them physically closer to the light, and do not forget that every 50 years at the jubilee ALL slaves were set free. Even if they had only been in their masters possession for a year.

LEVITICUS 26:29 "You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters"

This is taken out of context. It is an actual warning to the Hebrews of what will befall them if they disobey. How they will be besieged by their enemies and scattered all over the world, and will become so evil that they even become cannibals. Try to look up the entire passage and you will understand. It is a prediction of the future and not a commandment. There is a difference

LEVITICUS 27:5 "Your valuation of a (human) male shall be twenty shekels, and for a female ten shekels."

Men worked harder and was less trouble, a male slave was a great asset

NUMBERS 15:32-36 "...they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day...Then the Lord said to Moses, 'The man must surely be put to death"...So as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died."

As above

NUMBERS 31:15-18 "And Moses said to them: 'Have you kept all the women alive?...Now therefore kill every male among the little ones; and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls...'

It appears that in that day attachment to males was predominant, thats why they cost more, they were rare. There appeared to be more life force in males for negs to feed off. In any case the same answer as above

These are just ideas and not facts, could this be the reason I would like to hear from you all about this as it has also been a question of mine for a while,

Regards Mustardseed

[Starvingpercussionist]

Demons teaching us to make drugs? You know, I thought that marijauna and shrooms were actually a gift from heaven to help our spiritual advancement, or something like that.

[Mustardseed]

You must surely be kiddin' drugs are the path to inactivity and enslavement, no great "gift" to humanity but a curse. Seen any happy enlightened drug addicts lately 

[kurai kokoro]

Yeah I agree I don't beleive god would have anyone killed for any reason, at the begining it says

" were art thou brother abel? I know not am I my brothers keeper? What hast thou done the voice of thy brothers blood crieth to me from the earth. now, therefore, cursed shalt thou be upon the earth, which hath opened her mouth and received the blood of thy brother at thy hand.
12. when thou shalt till it, it shall yield to thee its fruit: a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be upon the earth.
13 and cain said to the lord: my iniquity is greater than that i may deserve pardon.
14 behold thou dost cast me out this day from the face of the earth, and i shall be hidden from thy face, and i shall be a vagabond and a fugitive on the earth: everone, therefore, that findeth me shall kill me.

to me 12 says when you kill it you shall recive the reward, now go forth and wonder the earth killing those you despise upon the earth. truely something of the devil,

and at the begining it says that thou shall eat of any tree in paradise but of the tree of knowledge of good and of evil for thou shall die the death,
and the serpent said thou shall eat of the tree of knowledge of good and of evil and shall be of gods, and will not die the death. to me that says that god was the serpent not the devil. but I'm uncertain, but it also says that there eyes where opened, so I realy couldn't know, and in the bible it also says that the devil is the king of lies.

it also says in the bible that cain was a husbandsman. and also freddy mercury was gay and queen is my favorite band.

[AndrewTheSinger]

There's something fantastic about Cain an Abel, there is a mystery, because they are not 2 men, but 2 powers. They still exist and still fight, can you find out who they are?

Regarding the paradise, the serpent is indeed god, the one who enslaved them. But there was another figure that prompted them to eat from the tree of knowledge, it was an eagle, the wisest of all creatures.

The serpent wanted the first couple to procreate in order to produce more slaves. Instead of that, when the seed of Seth came down, along with the race of Adonaios, they procreated in order to populate the earth with the perfect ones who were sent down from the pleroma. 

Therefore the immortals praised the gift of the eagle (knowledge), and combined it with the inferior power of the serpent (procreation) by elevating it.

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[kurai kokoro]

well it could also have been a trick by god so that they could know of both good and evil so that they would chose good over evil, it's just one of those things that you have to ponder upon, if there is no good then there would be no evil if there is no evil there would be no good, thus eleminating free will.
and cain died before he could reproduce thus he didn't have any children to my knowledge anyway. then again god said they would be cursed to walk the earth with thorns and thistsles and would die the death, and they eventually did die, another thing that the tree of knowledge of good and evil did in my opinion when it said that it opened their eyes it could have ment their physical eyes opened and closed their etheric eyes. I've been doing alot more reading. thus they would have to meditate in order to regain what they lost, so they would have to work at it. and another thing, the seven deadly sins are
gluteny budah was fat and there is only one way to get fat.
greed yeah Greed I think is only evil if you don't need all that you have,
lust how do they think children are born, starring?
pride too much pride i'll admit is evil, but not enough just lowers your self esteem
envy yeah i'd say this is pretty evil at times, oo nice spear, I want one just like it. then go make it
sloth clearly if sloth is a sin then meditation would be too but meditation isn't a sin.
wraith I define wraith as murder not hate, and we are all only human and hate is an emotion, so it just depends on weather you inact on that wraith or not which makes it evil.