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Title: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: NodesOfYesod on January 31, 2007, 13:36:11
 :lol:
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Doringo on January 31, 2007, 14:16:35
Do adults deserve to be raped? Then why are there rapists?
Do random people deserve to be murdered? Then why are there serial killers?

The thing is, this world isn't all fluffy bunnies. There are murderers, rapists and pedophiles, and it's not God's fault. Surely it's their's, for murdering, raping and committing other crimes?
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Doringo on February 01, 2007, 11:33:58
Nobody is in control of everything. The world is the world, not a puppet show.
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Principle on February 01, 2007, 15:24:10
It's called "Free Will".
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: kiwibonga on February 02, 2007, 07:44:41
You probably have numerous lifetimes in which you were tortured, maimed, robbed of all your belongings, put into slavery, killed in a multitude of gruesome ways... As a child, an adult and an old man or woman... Perhaps even an animal.
You probably have also raped, killed, hurt or otherwise wronged people many, many times.

That's the flipside of the plane of experience... To enjoy the good, you need to know the bad. Philosophers have long considered the idea of perfect harmony, the utopia... The consensus is that it is a stalemate... The end of evolution, or the beginning of the next step.
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on February 02, 2007, 10:25:30
Stoicists mention the Providence, a way by which God makes sure things go accordingly. Thus it raises a question "If there is a Providence, why so many misfortunes plague the good men?". The answer given is that human things are not ruled by Providence, but by Fortune.

But Fortune portrays chance, and it is not present in the Stoic Philosophy, it turns out that this is just a human way to try to explain fate without knowing the doctrine nor the natural laws behind it.
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on February 03, 2007, 08:24:11
According to them everything has a divine purpose, and that good or bad is how we let things affect us.

Here's an excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoicism :

"Say to yourself in the early morning: I shall meet today ungrateful, violent, treacherous, envious, uncharitable men. All of these things have come upon them through ignorance of real good and ill... I can neither be harmed by any of them, for no man will involve me in wrong, nor can I be angry with my kinsman or hate him; for we have come into the world to work together..."


Ultimately we cannot readily know the master plan, nor all the natural laws involved, so we're better off working on our emotions.
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Doringo on February 04, 2007, 17:22:55
Quote from: NodesOfYesod on February 03, 2007, 05:24:59
so basicaly
Life is not fair. deal with it?
Exactly :-)
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Principle on February 04, 2007, 17:28:27
Quote from: NodesOfYesod on February 03, 2007, 05:24:59
so basicaly
Life is not fair. deal with it?

Suck it up, and try not to put yourself in undesirable situations.
Title: Re: isnt each child worthy of the same god
Post by: Stephen M on February 22, 2007, 20:59:53
Life is Fair enough for everyone of us.
Lemme Say this just how it is.
Its not God's fault if there is violence, poverty, hunger and many horrible things. Its OUR Fault!!!
We aren't doing anything to stop all this, we just look for someone to blame, get a bunch of people to discuss all this crap and worry more and more people about it. But no Solution!!
World peace is reachable if we decide to help ourselves. If we don't even love ourselves how we can love someone else?
Well i think everyone gets what i mean.