Just my opinion but.....

[tksjm]

Dont you think religion is set for war all the time?...

I mean heaven vs hell.....the angels fight the demons.....{a war in heaven broke out}

its just not what you would expect from a religion that wants peace in my mind.

I dont know what you guys believe or think, and i was kinda hoping to find out.....

~TK

[FadeEsdrasX]

Sometimes war is needed to bring about peace.

[Old Dood]

Sorry...can't buy that. Never a 'need' for war.  That is a lie.

Religions are a lie...

[Jeggernaut]

I agree, there is never a need for war, just an inability for the hostile parties to sort their matters out peacefully and in cooperation.

[tksjm]

Sometimes war is needed to bring about peace.

See then why would someone want war in the first place if they're so damn peace loving?....
I have heard the phrase if you want peace prepare for war, but thats humans, not gods and angels....{they're supposed to be peace loving arent they....no matter if something like a demon is pure evil....excrement my wife is pure evil.....but i still love her and without a fight yet....{just a single argument about the wedding we had, but that was it....} but then again angels and demons and gods and devils......they really only exsist in the minds of man now dont they......{no wonder i'm not religious....}
Anyways, thats my story and i'm sticking to it....lol
~TK

[FadeEsdrasX]

Sorry...can't buy that. Never a 'need' for war.  That is a lie.

Religions are a lie...

How are religions a lie?

[FadeEsdrasX]

]I'm not religios either. I view religions as myths and leagends told by man in order describe the truth. In no way to i go by a set religion. It limits the person.

Looking at it I think your right in that war isnt needed in order to bring about peace. However It is looked at as being a means to bring about peace by many humans since they cannot see any other alternitive..

[cavernstoy]

Does war ever work.  Every person that has changed our world has done so in a completely passive manner.

Jesus
Martin Luther King Jr
Gandhi

War is just like conventional medicine, treating only the symptoms of conflict, and ignoring or even worsening the actual underlying cause.

War for peace?

Just turn the other cheek

When religion speaks of war between heaven and hell, it may just symbolize the internal and external battles between good and evil (if you beleive that there are such things).  This includes the fighting within ourselves, and the battles between our species. 

But I believe that fighting with your heart can defeat bullets.

Hilter is a good example of the futile nature of violence.  How has he changed the world?  Yes he made a shure impression for a short period of time, just as pharmacudical drugs may do.  Did he succeed in his goals?  The passive, slow method, is much more impressive, and effective in changing others.

Cavernstoy

[Old Dood]

How are religions a lie?

The Creator *I* worship is not Religious.  Man is Religious.  Following a Religion is following Man...not the Creator.

Then, that is a LIE!  As in not the Truth!

I will never trust a religion or religious people ever again.  They try to control you with their Fear and LIES!

[Stookie]

Some are truly good people without negative intentions. We all have our belief systems.

[Awakened_Mind]

Reminds me of a quote Stookie "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

I agree with Old Dood. Religions are man's interpretation of how we should iteract with God. I think some people may use them as a path to God. I don't agree at all with anyone telling another how we should relate to God. What about me? What about my 'free will'? Most of all religions are confined to dogma that doesn't change the way something with spirit does.

This is something I have posted a while back. Bruce Lee wrote it on martial arts but I see the same principle in different religions.

" Just what is a classical style of martial art? First and foremost, we must realize the fact that man created styles. Disregard the many fancy historical origins of their founders---- by a wise ancient monk, by special messenger in dream, in a holy revelation, etc.---- a style should never be the gospel truth, the laws and principles of which can never be violated. Man, the human being is always more important than any style.

The founder of a style might be exposed to some partial truth, but as time passed by, especially after the passing away of its founder, this partial truth became a law, or worse still, a prejudiced faith against the "different" sects. In order to pass along this knowledge from generation to generation, the various responses had to be organised and classified, and presented in logical orders. So what might have started off as some personal fluidity of its founder is now solidified knowledge, a preserved cure of all for mass conditioning. In doing so, the followers have made this knowledge not only a holy shrine, but a tomb in which the founder's wisdom is buried. Because of the organization and preservation, the means would become so elaborated that tremendous attention must be given to them, and gradually the end is forgotten. The followers will then accept this "organised something" and the total reality of combat. Of course, many more "different" approached would spring up, probably as a direct reaction to "the other's truth". Pretty soon these approaches too would become large organisations with each claiming to possess "truth" to the exclusion of all other styles. More and more the style becomes more important that its practioner."

Use the word 'religion' as a substitue for the word 'style' and you have what I believe religions to be.

-AM

[Stookie]

I'm friends with many Christians who believe in Jesus who aren't out to control, who are trying to figure out their lives (like the rest of us), and don't pressure me into it. I understand that Christianity can be a hindrance to spiritual evolution, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't had it's place in humanity. The teachings of Jesus aren't about fear and control, it's about love, and believe it or not, there are Christians out there that aspire to Jesus' teachings. I was a Christian most of my life and was brought up on the ideals of grace, forgiveness and love. I moved on to new belief systems, but in no way do I ever regret living how I did. Christianity has brought an innumerable amount of blessings into my family's life and continue to do so. ...and brought me to where I'm at now.

Anything that you can't prove to yourself but regard as real is a belief system.

All of us here have belief systems regarding astral projection and the non-physical. F1 to F4 is a belief system. Monroe's model is a belief system. The silver-cord, the etheric & astral body, higher beings, telekinesis, psychics, etc. all have belief systems attatched to them. Most probably have some reality attatched to them too, but everyone here has some sort of belief system regarding them. People that come here saying they know the absolute truth are stuck in a belief system as big as Christianity. We adopt these belief systems to help us find reality. They are like tools. A lot of people use their beliefs in the wrong way and twist them around, but not everyone. To think we have it correct and everyone else's belief system is wrong is a horrible misconception - we're ants. Who's to say there isn't a larger reality behind the system you know and love? Mines been shattered so many times I'm afraid to guess what's considered reality anymore.

As my main-man Myka Nyne would say - "Never knock the next man's struggle"

[FadeEsdrasX]

The Creator *I* worship is not Religious.  Man is Religious.  Following a Religion is following Man...not the Creator.

Then, that is a LIE!  As in not the Truth!

I will never trust a religion or religious people ever again.  They try to control you with their Fear and LIES!

Yes religions are created by man. Yes man in general seems to be a very corrupting kind. However isn't it possible that religions were created by man in order to explain the truth? Fragments of it are in the pages of ancient texts. I have read a particular topic in this forum were someone found sections of the bible that indirectly explained Astral Projection. There are also archetypes in religions. People whom never met and had no way of meeting were in religions that held this similar events, people, ideas, symbols. I agree with you that religions aren't the greatest. They limit a person greatly. However to say they are a complete lie may be a bit harsh.

[Old Dood]

Yes religions are created by man. Yes man in general seems to be a very corrupting kind. However isn't it possible that religions were created by man in order to explain the truth? Fragments of it are in the pages of ancient texts. I have read a particular topic in this forum were someone found sections of the bible that indirectly explained Astral Projection. There are also archetypes in religions. People whom never met and had no way of meeting were in religions that held this similar events, people, ideas, symbols. I agree with you that religions aren't the greatest. They limit a person greatly. However to say they are a complete lie may be a bit harsh.

They were set up (in my opinion and many others as well) to include some 'truths' to them.  They are a distraction from the real truth.  They are systems of control.  So in the end they are a lie.
Free yourself from that system and reality will open up to you.  Try to work within their system and stay confused and in fear.  "God does things in Mysterious Ways"...is a line of bull as far as I am concerned. God (or better put in my opinion...The Source) is not there so we cannot understand. 

Sure there are 'good people' within those systems.  I am not doubting that.  However, they could be so much freer if only they threw away the 'Good Book' (and whatever system that goes with it) and then simply started asking questions and expecting answers.  That really works. Say it out loud.  'Picture it' in your mind.  Real communication is not with spoken language but Telepathy or 'Pictures Within Your Mind'. I firmly believe that we as a race on this planet use to speak with our minds and somehow lost that ability...or maybe simply forgot.  If that is the case then religion had a hand in that loss of ability.

[Stookie]

However, they could be so much freer if only they threw away the 'Good Book' (and whatever system that goes with it) and then simply started asking questions and expecting answers.  That really works. Say it out loud.  'Picture it' in your mind.

Most religions call it "prayer" - and it works in their belief systems too. Christian prayer is exactly the same thing as the law of attraction, which is also a belief system. You believe in something enough and know it will come into your life and it does.

Free yourself from that system and reality will open up to you.

Most of the time a person switches from one belief system to another, or quits believing in anything at all. I've never met anyone who left christianity and suddenly thought they knew the truth, they just realize they didn't have the truth before. You THINK the new one is the real one, but then something crashes it... What is reality anyways? What defines it? Are you sure what you experience is reality or just a subjective view of what you think is reality? Can reality be even be objective?

I'm apologize ahead of time if it sounds like I'm arguing or pushing my views - I don't know the answers to these questions and won't pretend to. I stay open minded with my beliefs as to what reality might be. I have good reason to believe it's not in the physical world, but once again, that's a part of my open belief-system.

[FadeEsdrasX]

They were set up (in my opinion and many others as well) to include some 'truths' to them.  They are a distraction from the real truth.  They are systems of control.  So in the end they are a lie.
Free yourself from that system and reality will open up to you.  Try to work within their system and stay confused and in fear.  "God does things in Mysterious Ways"...is a line of bull as far as I am concerned. God (or better put in my opinion...The Source) is not there so we cannot understand. 

Sure there are 'good people' within those systems.  I am not doubting that.  However, they could be so much freer if only they threw away the 'Good Book' (and whatever system that goes with it) and then simply started asking questions and expecting answers.  That really works. Say it out loud.  'Picture it' in your mind.  Real communication is not with spoken language but Telepathy or 'Pictures Within Your Mind'. I firmly believe that we as a race on this planet use to speak with our minds and somehow lost that ability...or maybe simply forgot.  If that is the case then religion had a hand in that loss of ability.

All compleately true.