Was watching this mormon video and all I can think of is the new age movement that has simular concepts of Mormonism o_O what do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_riamLAbuTQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I think it is difficult to compare it to "New Age" concepts as NA-concepts are not a rigid dogmatic religion, it's more like a hodgepodge of concepts, fractions and movements.
The first part reminds me more of the common alien seeding (paleo seti / ancient alien astronauts) theory. I would not call them New Age. Of course, NA has a lot to do with contacts with aliens, so there is a mix-up of it.
Btw, in the middle the film gets pretty racist, if you ask me.
Yea I found that weird too >_>
They must of changed that later on otherwise this guy wouldn't of joined them and he looks very happy with the beliefs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNYpXZIN_c&feature=youtube_gdata_player
It does have that ancient alien astronauts feeling to it which is prolly why I compaired it to new age beliefs where aliens came plus the teaching of becomming gods which we see with the "I am" movment and the hole "you are god/source" mumbo jumbo. Then we got the channeled beings talking about
the Ascension and well be like gods. Only thing I found in scriptures is that we will become like angels in heaven but not like gods. But I do know that the new age movement is more complex then that and has more things to it.
Quote from: Karas on March 19, 2012, 12:01:20
Then we got the channeled beings talking about the Ascension and well be like gods. Only thing I found in scriptures is that we will become like angels in heaven but not like gods.
Sorry, if this is going off topic but regarding that thing you said about becoming Gods: Psalm 82 (around verse 6) says we are Gods. Jesus even quotes it in defence when the Jews get all worked up about him claiming to be the Son of God (John 10). Not sure what the Mormon stance on that is but the fundamentalist Christians I grew up with tend to squirm at those verses, inventing all kinds of creative explanations as to why the Bible should be understood literally, but not that bit.
Quote from: manwesulimo2004 on March 19, 2012, 15:04:56
Sorry, if this is going off topic but regarding that thing you said about becoming Gods: Psalm 82 (around verse 6) says we are Gods. Jesus even quotes it in defence when the Jews get all worked up about him claiming to be the Son of God (John 10). Not sure what the Mormon stance on that is but the fundamentalist Christians I grew up with tend to squirm at those verses, inventing all kinds of creative explanations as to why the Bible should be understood literally, but not that bit.
hi ^^
Yea I'm aware of that and it is intresting and a puzzle. At one point Jesus says "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." Matthew 22:30.
Here I see the resurrection as Ascension so the human evolution will take place According to scriptures worldwide. But which gosple is valid? John where we are like gods or Matthew where we become like angels.
if angels are the image of god where is the difference?
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Quote from: NoY on March 19, 2012, 17:05:38
if angels are the image of god where is the difference?
Where does it say angels are the image of God?
Quote from: NoY on March 19, 2012, 17:05:38
if angels are the image of god where is the difference?
:NoY:
what is the difference between you and the image of yourself that you see in the mirror?
It could first gen
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
But according to Proverbs and John, Jesus and Wisdom was around before anything was made so it could be just them.
In the Quran it says that he was talking to angels which would make sence since the angels are human looking and we are in the image of them.
Kinda like the Hindu concept where Brahman is unseen but he made other gods who are human looking and we look simular to them, just weaker and animal like behavour.
I would guess "image" doesn't necessarily mean in a visual way. Like when you create a copy a CD or DVD to a computer, you're creating an "image" of the original, and while it's the exact same content, it's in a completely different form.
Quote from: Karas on March 20, 2012, 06:08:23
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Right.
*Man* was created in God's image. Nothing is said about Angels being created in any such image. "Angel" means messenger.
In the gospel of Judas it appears that at least certain types of angels are created and uncreated on a whim. The Archangels seem to have eternal status as personalities while the seraphim and cherubim are less certain, I think.
The Hebrew hiearchy gets complicated. There is a "malekeh" which I think is the regular type messenger and then then a "Sar" which is a "spirit prince". There are others types too. The Mormons hold that only a married man who begets children can become a god and single but righteous humans can become a type of angel.
Quote from: Rudolph on March 20, 2012, 12:14:45
The Hebrew hiearchy gets complicated. There is a "malekeh" which I think is the regular type messenger and then then a "Sar" which is a "spirit prince". There are others types too.
Interesting stuff. So basically if we pick two references to "angel" in an English translation they could actually be referring to different things?
Quote from: manwesulimo2004 on March 20, 2012, 15:26:42
Interesting stuff. So basically if we pick two references to "angel" in an English translation they could actually be referring to different things?
Yes. Especially in terms of the Old Testament versus the New Testament.
The NT is written in Greek and uses the simple "aggelos" and gives us the word we use today. The OT has lots of different words for different types of Angels.
Also keep in mind that the NT was written in the span of a few hundred years while the OT was written over the course of thousands of years and began as ancient oral history rendered into writing after millenia of oral transmission.
Maybe "man" is referring to the first man. That eternal powerful spirit man, the higher self... Thought adjuster. And angels, cherubiums, man, aliens, Melchizedecks, Archangels are just Physical forms which can be inhabited by this eternal man spirit on its endless immortal journey back to the source.
Adam Kadmon?
Yeah, I suppose but much of the teachings are scattered, you have to really do a research and be guided by your higher self to understand what's really going on